How do I deal with those who question the value of my service just because I never deployed?

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 19:22:47 -0500

So I have dealt with my fair share of civilians asking me questions like if I went to Afghanistan or Iraq. I never deployed in my 3 years of service, but just over a week ago when someone asked me that and I said "No, I never deployed." He replied with, "How are you even a veteran then? You didn't even serve your country." I just stood there like a deer in headlights because I had no idea how to respond to that. The worst part was that I had this feeling that he was right, and it's been eating me up since.

The last thing I want to do is sound like some kind of princess who can't get up and brush himself off but my question is how do you deal with something like that, how do you respond and more importantly, how can I stop this feeling nagging at me?

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Thanks in advance.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Jan 31 at 2015 7:24 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 19:24:14 -0500

You gave your country the ability to use you in the best way the country felt fit. Hold your head high, most don't even try.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2015 7:30 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 19:30:48 -0500

I got the same thing when I got back from my first duty assignment in Korea. Simply put you have served your country. You do not have any choice in where or when the Army sends you to war. It's not a matter of if but when. Like the SSG put it 'hold your head high, most don't even try.' Be proud brother you are far ahead of the individual that made you feel that way. You are a Veteran. Be proud bud!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2015 7:37 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 19:37:57 -0500

You're not a combat veteran. Oh well. You volunteered. If you purposely avoided deployment then yes, you should feel bad. If your unit just didn't go in that time then it's not on you. Look at the other branch's deployments; Kuwait, turkey, manas. You did more than the general public. Even the combat guys deal with this when civilians ask us if we've ever killed anyone. Not everyone kills. Sometimes you're the guy pulling rear security. Civilians don't get it, hence why I don't talk about the military to them.

Response by Sgt Jay Jones made Jan 31 at 2015 7:41 PM

Sgt Jay Jones — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 19:41:41 -0500

SPC Alexander Ackerman, don't drink the civilian Kool-Aid. Whatever idiot told you that you were not a veteran has never been in the military. ANYONE who is honorably serves in the U.S. Military is a veteran in my eyes. You have a DD-214, that says Honorably Discharged you are just as brave and committed as Marine Sgt Dakota Meyers. You have very little control over your duty station or whether or not you will see combat. I did a tour in the Republic of Vietnam from 1970-1971. I was not actively involved in combat and did not earn a Combat Action Ribbon. Basically, all I have are the "I was there ribbons". That does not make me any less of a Marine than my peers who received Purple Hearts and Silver Stars. It just mean circumstances did not present themselves. Just as in your case, circumstances did not present themselves. However, you do have something to hang your hat on. Unlike your "civilian" friend claims you are not a veteran, YOU went through basic training. YOU took an oath to protect and defend the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. YOU RAISED YOU HAND AND SAID "SO HELP ME GOD" at the end of your swearing in. YOU ARE A VETERAN!!!

Response by SPC James Mcneil made Jan 31 at 2015 7:43 PM

SPC James Mcneil — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 19:43:25 -0500

I haven't read the responses, so to be honest I'm not sure if this has been said. I'd be willing to bet it has.

You signed a dotted line to be willing to deploy. The fact that your command never chose to deploy you in your three years does not reflect on you in any way. You are a veteran, and I am personally proud to call you brother.

How do you stop this feeling? Go back and re-read what I just commented until you believe it. You ARE a veteran, and a civilian's opinion of whether or not you are based on whether or not you deployed means less than nothing to this combat veteran.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Jan 31 at 2015 8:27 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 20:27:41 -0500

The first lesson you learn. You don't choose where Uncle Sam sends you. Remember that.

I'd like you to take a look at the next Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/marine-648659-enlisted-green.html
http://www.imef.marines.mil/Leaders/tabid/3952/Article/535479/sergeant-major-ronald-l-green.aspx

He's an Artilleryman by trade, and in the Marines, the Infantry is traditional "go to" field for SMMC. Does that make him less of a Marine? No.

Now, back during the first Gulf War, he was on the Drill Field. Does that mean he wasn't a Real Veteran or a Real Marine? No.

During OIF, he was with a wing unit.

If you look at his awards, he doesn't have a Combat Action Ribbon (CIB, CAB, CMB equivalent) , does that make him any less of a Marine? No.

Now what does that have to do with you? You don't choose where you go. You don't choose what you do. Big Army does.

You did something that 90% of the population will never do. "You write Uncle Sam a blank check, one which can be redeemed for any amount, up to and including making the ultimate sacrifice in the service of our nation." Yah, it's an old adage, but it's what entitles you to be called a Veteran.

Maybe not a Combat Veteran. But if you look at the legalese that exists with X Veteran, I believe there are almost 10~ different status now.

So don't let that worry you. Don't let that nag at you.

If someone asks "How are you even a veteran then? You didn't even serve your country."

Just respond, "How do you think equipment gets there? How do you think people get paid? How do you think we're able do do any of the things we do half a world away?" And then don't give them a second thought.

Those are the People that don't care about you. They are not worth your time.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2015 3:29 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 15:29:23 -0500

Thank you so much to everyone that replied.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2015 6:29 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 18:29:59 -0500

I've been in two branches of the service in the last nearly 8 years and not yet deployed. If faced with that question I respond with the fact that the support I have to the war fighter here kept them alive/sustained. All service is valuable.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Feb 1 at 2015 6:33 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 18:33:50 -0500

SPC Private RallyPoint Member Only someone who never served their country would utter something that ridiculous to you. In other words, consider the source of the insult before you allow it to have any weight or impact on you. Hold your head high. YOU are our brother. HE is one of (unfortunately) too many clueless civilians who believe freedom just happens. Instead of a campaign medal, please accept our coveted RallyPoint Commendation Medal......on the condition that you flush that NON-veterans comments out of your brain housing group. V/R, Uncle Mark.....YOUR brother in arms.

Response by Sgt Martin V. made Feb 1 at 2015 7:01 PM

Sgt Martin V. — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 19:01:22 -0500

There is another thread out there right now about why we have chosen to stay on RP. Well, this thread is a great example. We are a group who HAS served and know what it means to serve and NO ONE can take that from us.

My .02 to you is that haters are always gonna hate, just keep moving forward.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2015 7:07 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 19:07:28 -0500

Just by raising your right hand and swearing an oath you did more than most civilians ever will. If you didn't deploy because you avoided deployment then yes you should feel bad. Otherwise, you did serve your country. I salute you. Just because you didn't go to combat doesn't mean your service was worthless. Even stateside you can enable the war fighter.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Feb 1 at 2015 7:46 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 19:46:38 -0500

Take a few moments to glance over this other thread. You will get an idea of how your military family feels about your service.

://http://www.rallypoint.com/answers/combat-vets-how-do-you-feel-toward-non-combat-vets?urlhash=217442

Combat vets how do you feel toward non-combat vets? | RallyPoint

I am a non-combat vet retired in 2004. Never deployed in the first Gulf war, Iraq or Afganistan. My Commander and my Cheif chose to leave me home to care for my wife. Not my choice but I appreciate what they did for us. She was diagnosed with Multiple sclerosis in 2001 and breast cancer in 2003. All of my buddies have deployed and I miss that little connection they have when we all get together. So I wonder is there any animosity by combat...

Response by 1SG Cameron M. Wesson made Feb 1 at 2015 8:08 PM

1SG Cameron M. Wesson — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 20:08:44 -0500

SPC Private RallyPoint Member Alex!!! First I would like to commend your humility and your thoughtfulness. I probably would have said something dirty. So good job.

Now, be at ease. Oxford defines veteran as: A person who has served in the military.

You are a veteran. What you are not is a combat veteran. OK... Big deal. I dont say that to minimalize anything; however, you've been in 3 years. Before 2002... The Army didn't have many... I was an oddity (still am :o) ) as I had a SSIFWTS when many didn't... Not unlike you now, I/we was/were in the same position in 83 with the dwindling number of Vietnam Vets.

Next time some person makes that statement say, "pardon me... I do serve this country. As a matter of fact I swore an oath to that effect. This fact makes me a veteran... <smile> You have a great day!" and walk away with your head held high!

Charlie Mike (continue the mission)

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Feb 1 at 2015 8:26 PM

LTC Stephen C. — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 20:26:08 -0500

SPC Private RallyPoint Member, you owe them nothing. You stepped up, stepped out and raised your right hand. They owe you. No need for you to be defensive. They don't get it and probably never will. Be proud, stick your chest out, shrug your shoulders and walk away. They don't even deserve your time.

Response by SFC Royce Williams made Feb 1 at 2015 8:41 PM

SFC Royce Williams — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 20:41:21 -0500

Don't let some civilian who has no clue make you doubt your worthiness. You are a Veteran and you served your country no matter if you deployed or not. Ask them what they have done for their country lately.

Response by Sgt Packy Flickinger made Feb 1 at 2015 8:43 PM

Sgt Packy Flickinger — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 20:43:01 -0500

You don't!!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2015 8:46 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 20:46:15 -0500

SPC Private RallyPoint Member if you did not purposely dodge deployments you did service your country and should be proud of it. Do you let others take that pride away from you. Everyone has a role; whether stateside or overseas. Not everyone has the job that charges the hill and is awarded a Medal of Honor. The military would fail if we were all infantry (despite what CPT Private RallyPoint Member might think). Everyone has a role. Deployment does not make you a good leader; just like not deploying does not make you a bad Soldier. It is just something that some people have done and other have not been given the option. It took me almost five years to deploy. Others on here never deployed as there were only a few small conflicts while they served (many with 20 years or more). It is not their fault. Hold your head up, you know what you did while you were in the service.

Response by SP5 Michael Rathbun made Feb 1 at 2015 9:28 PM

SP5 Michael Rathbun — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 21:28:59 -0500

I would be strongly tempted to explain to them the Four-Step Major Issue Translocation Process:

1. Put issue in mouth.
2. Masticate thoroughly.
3. Swallow hard.
4. Blow it out your ass.

But this is something that must be applied wisely and judiciously.

Response by PO2 Jonathan Scharff made Feb 1 at 2015 9:39 PM

PO2 Jonathan Scharff — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 21:39:17 -0500

I might also add, that I would be happy if none of our servicemen and women saw combat...we could deal with a bit of peace in the world. But, thank God for all of us who raised their hands and swore the oath that IF needed we would be and ARE willing to defend this great nation!

I thank you for your service veteran!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2015 12:30 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 00:30:09 -0500

You did your part, SPC Private RallyPoint Member. If you feel the need to engage when questioned, let them know what you did. I am sure you have plenty to be proud of.

Response by Cpl Warren Howerter made Feb 2 at 2015 12:51 AM

Cpl Warren Howerter — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 00:51:30 -0500

It is was is you served like everyone else may not have went places like everyone else. You took the oath same as everyone who wears the uniform. Walk tall with your shoulders up. You earned it that is what matters.

Response by SFC Collin McMillion made Feb 2 at 2015 1:12 AM

SFC Collin McMillion — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 01:12:18 -0500

I hate to be the one to tell you, but, you ARE a veteran here with all your brothers and sisters. You put your name on the line, took the oath, and prepared to do what was/is necessary for your cointry, even die for it. It is not your fault people are stupid and damn sure don't know us. More people die in car accidents than in wars........has anyone ever told you just because you haven't had an accident that you are not a driver? What have yhose who question you ever done?

Response by SGT Jim Z. made Feb 2 at 2015 9:38 AM

SGT Jim Z. — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 09:38:44 -0500

By definition you are veteran period paragraph. Most civilians have no clue like others have said, I never deployed to a combat zone but that make no less of a veteran but take it the time and try to explain to the person.

Response by COL Vincent Stoneking made Feb 2 at 2015 11:10 AM

COL Vincent Stoneking — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 11:10:11 -0500

So, this may not be terribly politically correct, but....
1. Look deeply into the eyes of this civilian who never volunteered to serve.
2. Ponder deeply all the sacrifices that you were willing to make, which he/she was not.
3. Hold your last f%ck in your cupped palm, remembering that he/she has the ability to be all judge-y because you took your turn standing on the line.
4. Open your hand and let that last f%ck fly away into the sky.
5. Carry on.

Response by Sheryl Verhulst made Feb 2 at 2015 4:43 PM

Sheryl Verhulst — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 16:43:13 -0500

Don't feel insecure about that. I bet that individual never wore a uniform in their life. Takes a real coward to single out others like that.

Response by SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA made Feb 2 at 2015 4:46 PM

SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 16:46:31 -0500

Simply Smile and say "thank you" and move on...knowing that although they have the right to their opinion, the only Neanderthal who says such a thing is someone who is a disappointment to themself and needs to feel better by making you feel like crap.

In my opinion a person who thinks like this is not an honorable person and has self value issues that need addressing.

Thank YOU for your service SPC Private RallyPoint Member

Response by PO1 Carrol Neal made Feb 2 at 2015 6:41 PM

PO1 Carrol Neal — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 18:41:19 -0500

Are you proud of your service? I say yes so you are free from the haters.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 3:27 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 03:27:30 -0500

I would just say thank you for your support of our Military and keep it moving. No civilan should ever say that no matter what because he has chosen to not join and allow others to fight for his freedom no matter if that was on the homefront or a foreign land. Point is that you joined the all volunteer army and just didn't deploy. I see CSM's and LTC walking around with no deployment patches. Whip ta de freaking do.. if the Army says you are not deploying then I gues you are not deploying. Civilians are civilians for a reason. Continue protecting them and giving them their rights and move out!

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 3:29 AM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 03:29:25 -0500

So a funny thing about this... I have played with a little experiment lately. I'm a combat veteran, but lately I have not worn my combat patch. Its kinda of disgusting the looks and questions that I get asked. Most look at my arm, then my rank and get a odd look in there face. I guess they completely bypass the U.S Army on there that said volunteer.

You should not worry if your are a combat veteran or a veteran. You are that 1% of American that is willing to do what it takes for your country.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 3:30 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 03:30:20 -0500

My dad served during vietnam. Never deployed, but signed the check.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 3:38 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 03:38:03 -0500

SPC, why are you even worried about this man? Everyone's part of the same team, you might be sitting on the bench right now at this moment but trust me, stay in long enough and you'll deploy. If you're out and you didn't deploy then I say good for you man.

Response by SPC Lukas Jones made Feb 3 at 2015 4:03 AM

SPC Lukas Jones — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 04:03:38 -0500

I often wrestle with this. In my 9 years of service, the army has decided to keep me state side. I never intentionally dodged deployments, rather, my assignments involved training soldiers for mob station. I proudly serve and when I run into those altercations, I remind myself mentally that I still wrote that check to the government, they just decided not to cash it... yet. My response to those indivius usually is something along the lines of "We all serve the military in our various assignments and it is that work that protects your freedoms including the freedom of speech and for that you are welcome."

Response by MG Hugh Van Roosen made Feb 3 at 2015 5:38 PM

MG Hugh Van Roosen — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 17:38:20 -0500

The lack of a combat tour is rapidly becoming the norm. I recommend answering that that you are trained and ready, but that your unit has not be called yet.

Response by Sgt Branden W. made Feb 3 at 2015 5:53 PM

Sgt Branden W. — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 17:53:19 -0500

"How are you even a veteran then? You didn't even serve your country."

I applaud you for not ending that person on the spot. I certainly would have asked to see this person's DD214, which something tells me doesn't exist.

Honestly, their opinions don't mean shit. Bottom line. Every single member of the Armed Forces is aligned towards a common goal and just because some piece of trash civilian doesn't realize that, doesn't diminish your service in any way.

Response by PO2 Steven Erickson made Feb 4 at 2015 7:15 AM

PO2 Steven Erickson — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 07:15:09 -0500

I'm in the same type of situation, since I served in the Navy Sub Service in the 80's.

I may not have seen combat, but I left home and dedicated my blood, sweat and tears to defend the US. While I'm not a combat veteran, I'm a veteran nonetheless. Anyone who says differently is Looney Tunes.

You've gotten a lot of good answers here. I just wanted to shout out, and say that your situation is not unique.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 7:35 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 07:35:50 -0500

You joined on your own terms, you did your time, you're a veteran. So if you served honorably, & deployment just wasn't in the cards that you were delt you're no less of a veteran than anyone else on this fourm. The whole combat veteran thing is another story. but I know plenty of excellent Soldiers that have never deployed, and probably never will. For someone to question that is just ignorant. the best advice I can give you came from my last BDE Commander, COL Ostlund "return with honor and humility, & preserve the victory. " think about it!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 7:36 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 07:36:36 -0500

Thanks you and all the other Veterans for your service!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 9:50 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 09:50:02 -0500

Simply respond with "I volunteered to serve, and proudly served my country. What have you done?"

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 3:54 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 15:54:06 -0500

I've always seen it as there are two types of Veterans. Combat veterans and non combat veterans. You still served, it isn't your fault that you were never called to deploy. Not to mention there are plenty of people that deploy and never see action, or even leave the base. But as long as you were ready to answer the call if needed, then you are as much of a veteran as anyone else.

Response by Cpl Anthony Pearson made Feb 4 at 2015 5:22 PM

Cpl Anthony Pearson — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 17:22:25 -0500

I'll be blunt. That person was a jerk-off (is that word allowed?). What a PATHETIC excuse of a veteran.

You signed the papers. You went to basic training. You could have been assigned to any number of units that could have been sent to war. You ended up where you were needed most - we all have a role to play.

If I ever heard someone say something so stupid to another veteran, I'd verbally tear them up and down.

I have a deep respect and love of our various branches of military, and I am proud of each and every person who served stateside or abroad, until they do something to lose that respect (like what that person said to you).

Response by TSgt Mark Vaughn made Feb 4 at 2015 6:00 PM

TSgt Mark Vaughn — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 18:00:05 -0500

SPC Ackerman, I'm TSgt Vaughn retired Veteran from the U.S. Air Force. I am not a combat veteran either, I asked to go but I was kept behind to help train those who were headed over there. It wasn't for lack of trying, I entered service to my country in 1989 soon after Desert Shield/ Desert Storm started and I was one of the first in my medical group to ask to deploy if we were needed. At the time they were sending Reservists and those who had combat experience so I hung my head and went back to doing my job. Later on when the Iraq and Afghanistan war started I volunteered again but by that time I was in a position where I was teaching Decon, Self-Aid and buddy Care and other vital things so I was kept stateside to continue teaching. Am I a Veteran YES YES YES, am I a combat veteran, No I am not but my job was none the less important as I provided the tools to my Airmen to keep them alive in their deployments. I am proud to hold the Veteran Moniker and I admire and have nothing but love for those who were deployed. I am also honored that you served doing what your Country and your branch asked you to do, you are every bit a Veteran my brother!

Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Feb 4 at 2015 6:06 PM

CPT Zachary Brooks — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 18:06:51 -0500

I have felt this exact issue myself. Thankfully some of my more experiences E7s have informed me: "You did the job that was asked of you and no less. That is all anyone can ask."

You did the job and served honorably, that should be enough for anyone.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 6:29 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 18:29:39 -0500

SPC Private RallyPoint Member, I've had a similar conversation... At first, I wasn't sure how to respond and questioned the validity of my service, but then a former mentor made me realize that I AM a Veteran, maybe not for combat, but I "deployed" (maybe not in the traditional sense that a civilian might understand, but on Submarines) and have expeditionary medals (2 Navy, 2 Armed Forces) and a Navy Unit Commendation for the operations I took part in. Most civilians just don't understand, but we can educate them.

Response by SGT Tracy Baker made Feb 4 at 2015 8:05 PM

SGT Tracy Baker — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 20:05:23 -0500

Those who do not deploy not only support those who do, but also keep watch on the rest of the world including those right here in the good ole' US of A. If everyone deployed, security would break down. Also, there would be no one to provide what deployed soldiers need. You served and are a vet. Not everyone gets the call to deploy, and that really isn't a choice a soldier makes. You take orders, and you didn't get any......period.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 8:13 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 20:13:22 -0500

lions don't concern themselves with the opinions of sheep just because you never seen combat doesn't mean your not a lion or your service is invalid

Response by PFC Remus Roman made Feb 4 at 2015 8:13 PM

PFC Remus Roman — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 20:13:51 -0500

Same here...I volunteered to go Airborne JUST so I make sure I'll get deployed faster(rapid deployment, right?..GRF- global response force I went all out ...not to mention that I was 37 when I joined, THE OLDEST in my unit,older then my 1st Sgt and pretty much everyone...almost 40 when I got out and STILL had a higher PT score then my E6 lol 286, at 5'10 ..195lbs. You have very little control and every time we were on rotation assumed GRF, we did not go anywhere or some other units went right after we got off rotation. It pissed me off...until I just did not care anymore. I wanted to move to a leg unit..but kind of hard when airborne and station to an airborne unit such as Fort Bragg. You are stuck there:) So I'm just as proud, passing all basic, AIT, Airborne school at my age, killed it with the young guys, high PT score, always motivated...you can only do so much. If you asked me JOAX and some crazy trainings we did, jumping at night, staying out in the field non stop, 21 days plus at times,, it was worse then deployment. No sleep, always on guard, duty, up every damn 2 hours I was a FISTER 13F.....it was torture at my age. But....I was proud I did it! Looking back now...I smile and reminiscent at every step of the way. SO....going back to the topic now ;) ho to deal with it...that's exactly what you tell them what Sgt Jay Jones said. Plus...be LUCKY...nowadays MOST companies are NOT hiring combat vets,trust me..EVEN IF THEY say veterans have priority...they do NOT wanna deal with your PTSD..or mood swings. SO if you are even lucky to make it to a live interview it may work in your favor, because you were not exposed to any traumatic events that could or may have effected you in any way. Be proud you served, WE ALL DID OUR part one way or the other...nos seeing combat does not make you novice or inexperienced. I had police academy training, before I enlisted, I shot maybe better then most, I outran and did more push ups then 80% of the guys 20 years younger then me.. I had years of martial arts experience, believe me, everyone in basic,AIT and in my unit knew who I was...and you WILL still eat shit from all above you pay grade. That's how it works. I respected everyone and did my part, just suck it up and move forward. Believe me..it was NOT EASY for me to take orders form 20 years old.... so, don't underestimate yourself. ALL that is perishable skills! Its up to you to stay sharp, go to the range still, work out daily and keep on keeping on with the lifestyle. Whatever you do be the best at it and most of all be proud, humble and respect all vets and you will get far. Proud FISTER(13F) 2-325 AIR 82nd Airborne White Falcons BCo Fort Bragg, NC.

Response by SPC John Decker made Feb 4 at 2015 8:23 PM

SPC John Decker — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 20:23:30 -0500

You served. It is not your fault you were not deployed. I served from 1981 to 1984. The few times it's come up in conversation, I tell people I'm a Cold War veteran. I didn't see combat. It didn't make the stress ant less real. The people that would imply that because you were not deployed means you're not a veteran, probably never volunteered for anything in their life. You are a veteran. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 8:31 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 20:31:07 -0500

Ask him if he ever raised his right hand and volunteered to do anything than chill in the civilian life.

Response by MSG Ted Lopez made Feb 4 at 2015 8:44 PM

MSG Ted Lopez — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 20:44:32 -0500

First off, you served and more importantly, you volunteered to serve. You were not drafted nor forced to enter the service. You owe nothing to anyone on what your loyalty is. Anyone that has served and worn that uniform and volunteered to serve would know what it takes to serve and the realty of deployments. That ole saying of "Being at the right place at the right time" or "being at the wrong place at the wrong time;" is nothing short of reality. Hold you head up because you have a DD Form 214 and you served honorably regardless what anyone thinks or says.

My question to them civilians would be; have you served? Then direct them to the nearest recruiting station, then come back to talk to me.

I spent 24yrs in the Army and its seems that I endured more adventures overall during peacetime.

Response by Cpl Christopher Sturdevant made Feb 4 at 2015 9:03 PM

Cpl Christopher Sturdevant — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 21:03:45 -0500

Easy, don't bother with them. I'm a combat vet, deployed twice. A lot of my guys and my friends, we don't care. You served, you're a veteran, just not a combat vet. It doesn't matter how and in what way you did, just matters that you did. However, if you go around being a cocky jackass talking up everything you did, yeah we'll make light of it, own who you are, what you did, you'll get respect from the rest of us. You might get that one or two people that somehow it really matters to them, just realize that their priorities are out of whack.

Response by SSG Juan Morrill made Feb 4 at 2015 9:07 PM

SSG Juan Morrill — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 21:07:10 -0500

most civilians do not comprehend how the military as a whole functions (actually they could if they slowed their thought process) but in all reality it is like the engine of your car, if one part fails then sooner than later you're in the shop. well the military cannot afford that time/expense or then = lives lost/damage. if the VA considers you a vet then that's what you tell everyone, if it tears at you that combat is some kind of per-requisite then leave that conversation there, no need to explain to those who do not understand. drive on

Response by SGT Jim Perry made Feb 4 at 2015 10:01 PM

SGT Jim Perry — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 22:01:58 -0500

I was in Korea in 1965 when we first sent large combat units to Vietnam. I was given orders to Vietnam and a Doctor found I had developed type 1 diabetes. Doesn't bother me to miss going. I have several family members who served more than one tour , including a brother-in-law who served 42 months in RVN and earned several purple hearts. I am his best friend because we understand each other.

Response by CPL Zachariah Chitwood made Feb 4 at 2015 10:06 PM

CPL Zachariah Chitwood — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 22:06:54 -0500

My served your country in the capacity that you were needed. Civilians aren't going to "get it", and that's fine. Just know that you DID serve. Deploying is pretty damn overrated if you ask me.

Response by SPC Jeff Leonard made Feb 4 at 2015 10:24 PM

SPC Jeff Leonard — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 22:24:43 -0500

I served for 8 years as a scout during desert storm and was not deployed due to circumstances beyond my control. I have had those feelings as well, but did the person who asked ever serve and if not then he( or she) certainly does not understand how the military functions. Not that that should be held against them. It is not your fault you were not deployed. I don't think you joined knowing whether or not you would see combat. You joined in case there was a need. And that is all that matters. I hope what I said helps.

Response by SFC James Ritchie made Feb 4 at 2015 10:25 PM

SFC James Ritchie — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 22:25:40 -0500

I served in the Army and retired after alit over 20 years of service. I FINALLY got the chance to deploy in my 17th year just because I volunteered for an individual augmented deployment to Iraq. Until then I went through the same thing are going through now. Sometimes people in the military do not get assigned to units that are deploying, you were in for three years so I'm guessing you were assigned to one, maybe 2 duty assignments during your time in the military so your chances of deploying were low anyway.

As for civilians giving you static about not deploying, there's really nothing you can come back with that would matter. Just know that they say this out of ignorance and feel proud that you are part of the 1% of this nations population that has served their country where they chose not to do so.

If a snappy comeback is what you're looking for however, I'd suggest " That's a weird way to say Thank You, but I'll take it." and walk off.

Hope this helps and thanks for your service brother, hope things work out for ya on the other side of the fence.

Response by Sgt William Gregory made Feb 4 at 2015 10:40 PM

Sgt William Gregory — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 22:40:04 -0500

If you serve your country in the military you are a veteran. You were talking to a fool , don't let his stupidity eat at you. Everyone who wears the uniform can be sent into harm's way at any time.The men at Pearl Harbor weren't in a combat situation until the Japs started bombing but nobody is suggesting they aren't veterans. If you served honorably & went where your country sent you , whether it's Iraq or Honolulu , hold your head up & be proud of your service.

Response by SSgt Randy Waters made Feb 4 at 2015 10:44 PM

SSgt Randy Waters — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 22:44:05 -0500

1969 - 1975 USMC 1978 - 1991 TARNG and I never went to Viet Nam nor did I make Desert Storm.......yes is weighs heavily on my mind to........but you know what? I went to Boot Camp and graduated and that makes me a United States Marine who served during a war or two........the fact that I didn't make it over seas to see combat.........yes I'm sad but I'm still proud of my services and NOONE can take that away from me.

Response by SPC David Thompson made Feb 4 at 2015 10:46 PM

SPC David Thompson — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 22:46:43 -0500

I served 4 years during the Cold War and Desert Storm. I did not serve in theater. I wanted to. Being infantry, that is what we do. I have no shame or regret, just "what ifs". What if I had deployed. What if I was in a fire fight. What if it became hand to hand. What if I was KIA. It is the baptism of fire, the Crucible that I was never challenged with. It just wasn't in the cards for me. I am proud of my service and know that I would have done my job. I am no less a veteran than any other regardless of deployment or not. If a civie asked me that and looked at me with shame my only response would be "where did you deploy?"

Response by SSgt Everett Jones made Feb 4 at 2015 11:33 PM

SSgt Everett Jones — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 23:33:05 -0500

During my time in the Army, I served during Nicaragua, Desert Shield/Storm, Bosnia, and Somalia. None of the units I was in were deployed during those conflicts. Not all service members do deploy, if you look at the percentage of SM's currently serving who have, you might be surprised. I don't know the numbers for the other branches, but only around 20% of Air Force SM's have deployed. This in no way reflects poorly on them or their service. Anyone who serves in the Military is a veteran, regardless of the opinion of non-service members. Every thing that non-deployed members do, in some way helps the ones that are. Service is service, period. Hold your head high and ignore the ignorant, you are a Veteran.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 11:34 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 04 Feb 2015 23:34:23 -0500

Just because you were in the rear doesn't mean that it didn't help in some sort of way down the line to the guys over seas. I deployed once, and it was with a retrograde unit shipping stuff home but I'm still considered a combat veteran since I was in a combat zone though I wouldn't claim it since I never saw combat. Just tell the civilian that you still put your neck out were it still had the possibility of being on the chopping block and then politely tell him to fuck off.

Response by SN Tucker Breton made Feb 5 at 2015 12:22 AM

SN Tucker Breton — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 00:22:01 -0500

You should have told him to go fuck himself. You put on the uniform, you signed the blank check, you're just as good as anyone else. Then tell him he's an ungrateful prick.

Response by SSG Jesus Sijalbo made Feb 5 at 2015 1:49 AM

SSG Jesus Sijalbo — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 01:49:02 -0500

Deployed or not Deployed, Brother you wear the uniform and represent it proudly because not everyone can, will and given the honor of earning to wear a U.S Armed Forces Uniform! Others can only envy. As long as it say U.S your good to go! No thin skin here, Roger! Knowing how it feel to serve your beloved country gives you that title veteran and next time someone asked you, asked them if they know how it feels to serve your country!

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Feb 5 at 2015 1:56 AM

PO3 John Jeter — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 01:56:01 -0500

"If you haven't served you wouldn't understand what I'm referring to so I prefer not to discuss it. By the way, why didn't you sign up?" That usually shuts them up.....

Response by SFC William "Bill" Moore made Feb 5 at 2015 8:03 AM

SFC William "Bill" Moore — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:03:30 -0500

I retired at 20 years in the Army. I had a 7 year break in service between 1993 and 2000. During Desert Storm, I volunteered seven times, 7 TIMES, to go because they were screaming for EOD. I was turned down because I was part of the "in Town" unit, (DC). When we went to war in 2001 I was with a WMD unit, again, I, and several of my team mates, volunteered but was told that we were needed in the unit. I spent 4 years training other troops heading to war. Most were kids younger than my Son, this did not set well with me. Finally, I get the opportunity to become the Operations/Training NCO for a new EOD unit and I'm ecstatic. A unit that is needed and will definitely get into the fight! After three years bringing the unit up to strength, nothing. So I attempted to go with another EOD unit that needed Team Leaders. By that time in my career, I had too many broken bones, torn ligaments and ruptured disks due to the many fights, accidents and riding the "fireball" once. A very good friend and Medical Officer advised me that if I got caught in a Pre-deployment Physical, I was done and would not make it to retirement, I would be put out as soon as they could make it happen. So, I continued training others and choking back bile. If it wasn't for my Wife, also a Veteran of 8 years, I would have disappeared into self loathing. She was the one that drove the point home by asking me if I thought of her as a Veteran. Of course I did, it was not her fault that we were not at war during her time! Yeah, even one that thinks himself wise, needs to be hit in the head once in a while to see the light!

You are a Veteran, period!

Response by PO3 Brendan "Smitty" Smith made Feb 5 at 2015 8:04 AM

PO3 Brendan "Smitty" Smith — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:04:21 -0500

Ask them, "Did you volunteer?" When they try to answer, hold you hand up to stop them and and say, "That was rhetorical. We both know the answer." and walk away.

Response by MAJ Michael Pauling made Feb 5 at 2015 8:15 AM

MAJ Michael Pauling — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:15:36 -0500

I was a mobilized Reservist and did a year in Afghanistan, my wife is Active Duty and has deployed three times (alas not to a Combat Patch recognized Operation). In "the circle" you get questioned asked as to why did I go and not your wife since she is active duty? The answer I give is that my wife has always done what the Army told her to do and that is just how it worked out. Whether or not they think that is okay is of no consequence. In the end, you and you alone answer your own doubts. When you hang up the uniform for good you need to feel alright about what you did and did not do. You want to stop the nagging feeling? Look in the mirror and ask yourself, " Am I alright and do the people that matter to me love and respect me?" If answer is yes then charge on. If answer is something else then find a way to make it a yes at least to your own satisfaction. As long as you did not "duck and cover" when the Uniform was asking for people to go forth and spread Democracy then you got nothing to be ashamed about.

Response by 1st Lt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 8:17 AM

1st Lt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:17:40 -0500

You are simply lucky that combat never happened to you. Plenty of people in non-combat jobs still end up in a firefight (I know 2 personally, and am only a cadet - a comms guy and female intel). I am quite certain the combat personnel appreciate whatever your MOS contributed to them, and you still pulled long and tiresome hours, with an understanding you could need to fight. That civi is just being dumb or perhaps just ignorant.

Response by MSgt Jose Loureiro made Feb 5 at 2015 8:43 AM

MSgt Jose Loureiro — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:43:05 -0500

You serve your country by swearing the oath of enlistment and putting on the uniform--period! You are a veteran regardless of boots on the ground or not...you can't control whether you deploy or not....you still are part of the less than 1% that serve--MSgt Loureiro, USAF, Retired

Response by MSgt Carl Wells made Feb 5 at 2015 8:50 AM

MSgt Carl Wells — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 08:50:47 -0500

I also did not deploy while on active duty. But as a supervisor of many, I did have to send some of my co-workers there as many roles. Forward air controllers, machanics, etc. I did have to help those left behind. The wives that didn't know what to do when this or that problem happened. The broke down cars, sick children, deaths in the family. No I didn't deploy but I was right there with them every step of the way. And it DOES NOT make me any less a veteran or any other prior service person, unless like others said, someone tries to get out of a deployment under false pretensies. And I had to deal with people that did that also.

Response by PO2 Mary Bellomo made Feb 5 at 2015 9:50 AM

PO2 Mary Bellomo — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:50:56 -0500

After leaving service, I became a social worker and I currently work with Veterans. This is something I hear frequently, especially from Veterans who served during the 80's or mid-90's when there was no war going on to go to. I hear many of them say that their service "wasn't worth anything" or "I didn't do anything."

And part of me wonders whether this isn't just bred into us from the Military culture of sacrifice... sometimes we feel we haven't sacrificed when the majority of us definitely have.

I usually respond to that sentiment in this way - I tell them that (as many others have already said) - that you were READY to go if called upon. You served your country because you said "Hey, take me, I'm here for you." Additionally, the part you played, wherever in the world you served, was valuable to your service, which is ultimately valuable to the entire Military and Country and the effort. Not all jobs involve direct combat, and that's ok! The people on the ground who are in direct combat depended on the work being done in other locations to better inform and support their operations.

You did good. Don't let any jack ass tell you otherwise.

Response by PO2 Blake Pattee made Feb 5 at 2015 10:15 AM

PO2 Blake Pattee — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:15:52 -0500

SPC Alexander Ackerman: Thank you for posting this, the feedback has helped me considerably. Despite volunteering for IA while in the reserves, and specifically requesting the detailer send me to units that were going to deploy while on Active duty, I didn't deploy either. Since I have gotten out, I've been having a lot of the same thoughts and feelings, if not that specific experience. Again, thanks for posting this, it has helped me, and probably others as well.

Response by SFC Jorg Erichsen made Feb 5 at 2015 11:09 AM

SFC Jorg Erichsen — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 11:09:49 -0500

SPC Ackerman; The fact that you were trained and available to deploy anywhere anytime shows you are in fact a veteran. Many who have never served do not understand the concept of being a member of the military family. Thanks for serving ! SFC Jorg Erichsen, MP, ret.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 11:11 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 11:11:59 -0500

Veteran - means you signed a blank check to the United Stats, for ones life, to the protect the general public.

Weather or not that means going over seas in any country, weather that be a combat environment or not, still makes you a veteran and part of a proud 1% of the nation willing to protect it.

Response by SSgt Debora French made Feb 5 at 2015 11:28 AM

SSgt Debora French — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 11:28:29 -0500

I am a cold war veteran, regardless of whether I deployed or served in a combat situation, I still joined I trained and served for 7 years waiting for the inevitable, Nuclear War. We had to serve on the alert pad where planes were loaded with various bombs and were always ready. I am not a combat vet BUT I am a veteran. I volunteered when others didnt!
SSGT French USAF

Response by SPC Robert Rock made Feb 5 at 2015 11:37 AM

SPC Robert Rock — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 11:37:43 -0500

Please do not give any credence to ignorance of individuals like this and maybe even try to educate them as to what 'serving your country' really means ... seriously how close to 'combat' did this person questioning you get ... Be proud of your service ... you earned it

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 11:48 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 11:48:21 -0500

I struggled with this one for several years following my commissioning. Most of my military friends were with the Iowa National Guard, deploying on a nearly non-stop rotation. Naively, I figured if enough of us joined the military, we could keep some of these people home to be with their families.

Once I got in, I volunteered to deploy and they called me with a tasker. "Where am I going?" **Fort McCoy, WI.** "Ok...then where?" **Sir, that's going to be your duty station.** My response....."You're f*cking kidding me."

It was embarrassing to me to be sent to a CONUS mission when I hadn't deployed, because I figured in a time of war, we were ALL Soldiers and expected to fight. I remember telling my wife, "I'm not even a FOBBIT, I'm a POST-IT."

However, here's some things I've learned.

Regarding the person that said this:
1.) Did he even join? I'm guessing no. I've never had someone say "You didn't do shit because you didn't deploy." Even my combat vet friends say, "Deploying isn't all it's cracked up to be."
2.) Is this someone that you respect? If so, re-evaluate your priorities, because to demean a valued part of your life is a pathetic example of a friend. If he isn't, why does it matter?

Regarding your service:
1.) When you joined, I'm willing to bet it was after Sept 11, 2001 as you don't look old enough and the image is too nice a quality to be that far back. So....you JOINED in a time of war, fully prepared to deploy and engage in combat. That is a sacrifice in itself.
2.) The Army tells you where you go. You can't control it. They place you in the slot that they need it.
3.) When you worked for the military, did you do the best of your job? The fact that you feel you didn't do enough tells me that you were probably dedicated to your job. That's usually a sign that you were motivated. Did you take care of the Soldiers around you? Were you involved in training and mentoring in whatever capacities you could have? If you did the best you can, keep that head up.
4.) Those in the military appreciate you. Yes, it's a sibling rivalry and we all get shit about it....but you have a civilian start talkin' trash about another branch or picking on a veteran and watch how closely the differences evaporate and it suddenly becomes one team again.

That is what makes our community great. We are unstoppable because we recognize that despite our many differences, we are all united by the same knowledge that we have experienced some sort of stupidity in our lives and come out better. Some have experienced it in combat, some have experienced it in garrison, but EVERYONE has made some form of sacrifices for the uniform.

People ask me where I've gone for the Army, so I tell them "Mississippi, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, North Dakota, Texas, Florida, Georgia." As I saw my job, I was here to fight just as hard as those that deployed so that when they came home they were taken care of properly and not "screwed by the system". I put in every minute that I could to ensure that they were cared for, because when they walked into the medical demob, they became MY Soldiers. I always had the time for them, or I would make it. Never once did I have someone tell me "You don't matter, I want to talk to a combat veteran." They knew that I cared for my brothers and sisters in uniforms by my actions....and THAT is the measure of a quality Soldier.

Response by LCpl Ferdinand Hughes made Feb 5 at 2015 11:50 AM

LCpl Ferdinand Hughes — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 11:50:10 -0500

Well, you let them know you are veteran regardless, just not a combat veteran. You answered a call that most American choose not too. Did this person in question ever served in the armed forces? if not, then he or she is just another person looking in from the outside. I did 4 years and was not deployed? why MOS had any need for it and I was out before 9/11 happened. I left the Marines 9/3/2001.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 12:05 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 12:05:38 -0500

Response by AN Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 1:14 PM

AN Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 13:14:26 -0500

Honestly I wouldn't really care about it. Not everybody can deploy, we need people over in the U.S who are able to take care of the guys returning from deployment. That starts with as simple as a cook or somebody managing the barracks. Deployments are more or less a special occurrence as the main focus of the military is to be in a garrison status waiting to get activated.

Response by SSG Scott Grandy made Feb 5 at 2015 1:46 PM

SSG Scott Grandy — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 13:46:48 -0500

I did over 20 years and did not deploy. I was in from 1992-2013. I was a National Guardsman. I spent most of the time from 9/11 until I retired in an Active Status. I worked at the Army National Guard Readiness Center, kind of the Guards Pentagon. I never was in a position to deploy. My state could have called me back to deploy bu they did not. I suffer some guilt about, but I do not let others make me feel guilty for not deploying.
I figure that there may have been other plans the "Big Man Upstairs" has/had for me and deploying was not part of the picture.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 2:14 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 14:14:27 -0500

Why would you even care about his opinion of YOUR service when that person doesn't even have the testicular fortitude to volunteer himself?

Just drink some water and drive on, and always with your head up high. Not everyone in the military gets to deploy, let alone a combat zone. Civilians that have no ties to the military just assume what they see in movies. They think every person in uniform is a descendant from Rambo and we all kill people in Afghanistan or Iraq.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 2:19 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 14:19:30 -0500

Taking a civilians advice on military service is like asking a child how to drive a car. if you didnt serve shut your mouth or I will shut it for you. 11B4

Response by SGT Russ Huber made Feb 5 at 2015 2:33 PM

SGT Russ Huber — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 14:33:25 -0500

I was an 11B20 in the reserves from 82-88. I ETS'ed just before ODS. I do have some guilt about not extending and possibly deploying. Or maybe going back in 03' at 39!(not realistic for a grunt). I haven't got any crap from civillians about that, just a couple of times in recent years by guys that did go over there. I get it. All I can say is I kicked ass in the Infantry while I was in. Me and my unit would have been prepared to go if called as we trained a lot in "Yakistan" when I was at Ft. Lewis. (fuck that JBLM shit!) Anyway, this is an issue I deal with and am interested in the other comments/opinions. Rock on- R

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 3:08 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 15:08:39 -0500

Give them the double middle finger.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 3:14 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 15:14:37 -0500

You went where you were told to go. You did what the army asked you to do. You are a veteran. You owe no explanations.

Response by Pvt Richard Hy made Feb 5 at 2015 3:36 PM

Pvt Richard Hy — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 15:36:38 -0500

I am now 55 years old and still struggle and defer to this question. I made early entry enlistment in 1976 while finishing high school. I come from a military family and my daughter and son have and are still serving with pride. I attended USMC Parris Island Recruitment Center with every intention of serving in what ever capacity needed. Shortly into my training , a medical ailment arose that caused those in charge to order my release.
I have my DD-214, but kept it put away all these years, almost from embarrassment from being 'rejected as unfit for duty'. I never asked for release. I witnessed others who did anything from claiming to be gay or mentally ill to setting themselves on fire in order to get out of the service.
I am told I should still be proud of my 'service' as I at least had the nerve to enlist in the first place, albeit during peace time. I don't know.
When I see those who truly served and their varied impairments, I don't have the nerve or audacity to put myself EVER on equal footing with them,not even my son who has seen active duty in 2 tours of Iraq, for whom I have deep pride and respect.
I live out my service dreams thru the service of my children who followed their desire to serve this country, but I still cannot call or consider myself a Veteran.
Comments are welcome from any one to give insight on this matter. Thanks for 'listening'!

Response by SGT Gabriel G. made Feb 5 at 2015 3:39 PM

SGT Gabriel G. — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 15:39:57 -0500

Just never call anyone a POG and you will be ok.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 3:50 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 15:50:35 -0500

I know the feeling. When "real" veterans would ask if I've deployed my answer would be something like- No, I haven't done anything. They would quickly correct me by pointing out that I've volunteered and when my time comes I will. Those opinions matter more than what most silly-vilians think.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Feb 5 at 2015 3:59 PM

LTC Paul Labrador — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 15:59:10 -0500

By serving in uniform you have done something that 99% of the people in the US either will not or cannot do. So unless that dude asking you that question has himself stood his time on the wall, I'd tell him he has no idea what the hell he's talking about.

Response by PO2 James Russell made Feb 5 at 2015 4:00 PM

PO2 James Russell — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:00:27 -0500

I am a Vietnam era vet that didn't fight in Nam. I spent 4 years on US Navy ships in engine rooms that were hot as hell, all hours of the day and night, and I suffered from depression while trying to do my job, and after I got out. I did the best as I possibly could, but never got shot at. I'm sure you did as well as you could too, and you need to stick you chest out and be proud that you volunteered for you country like we all did! I always get this shit from the marines, but I wish they would have spent one watch down in the hole with me when the shit hit the fan down there. All the lights and power went out in the middle of the cold ocean' and I had to fire it all back up again, or sink. I am as proud as hell for what I contributed, and you should be too!!

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 4:47 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:47:33 -0500

Heres a good way to look at things, your a Veteran becasue you served. If you didnt deploy you didnt deploy. But i bet money some how some way you were in support of those that were deployed by doing what you do daily. I didnt deploy when i wanted to join the rest of the unit i went to. But i was in support of them when they were down range getting everything they needed by being back stateside. Its not by choice but i did what i could to make them coming back easier or if it was stateside get it to them down range.

So your not a "COMBAT VETERANT" but you are a verteran. You took the oath to defend and uphold, and thats what you did.

Response by MAJ Ronnie Reams made Feb 5 at 2015 4:48 PM

MAJ Ronnie Reams — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:48:36 -0500

Some folks have to hold the line elsewhere like ROK, Europe, etc. Lots of folks from the VietNam era did not go because they were facing sown the Commies elsewhere. Some folks are in MOSes that are not needed over there. I do not know if we still send units to Combat Zones, so the troops can get their patch or not. I remember having a HAWK Battery behind the 199th Base Camp near LBJ. Duster units were quite common also. In talking with them they told me never saw a bogie, but stayed there so the ADA EMs could get their combat patches. Os regardless of branch could be MACV advisers and get their patches and CIBs or command an Infantry Company for 30 days, except HHC, under a special provision in the AR.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Feb 5 at 2015 4:57 PM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:57:52 -0500

I asked myself this repeatedly after DS/DS when I was assigned to 4th ID and couldn't even volunteer my ass to be part of it as a tanker...it chapped my ass for a couple of years but I learned to not be bothered by it. When we deployed to Kuwait in 2003 and launched OIF, I did not have to think about it any more at all. Remember this, although you never deployed, you did something that very few Americans choose to do and that is serve the country, you still wore the uniform, did your job and served honorably! Other than that, screw 'em!!

Response by MSgt Stephanie McCalister made Feb 5 at 2015 5:06 PM

MSgt Stephanie McCalister — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:06:44 -0500

You went where you were ordered, you swore an oath to protect & defend, no matter the cost, up to & including your life if necessary ... just because you weren't called to combat, doesn't make you any less or more important than anyone else willing to serve & wear the uniform. Every one of us had a niche to fill, a skill that was needed, a task to perform. It's not THEIR right to judge you for your service ... You were WILLING to do whatever was required ... that makes the difference!

Stand straight & tall, look them in the eye, and say 'I served to defend this nation, no matter where I was assigned, combat or not, I was willing. It was my honor to serve, & my privilege to be a Veteran along with all the others of us who served, so folks like you can have a safe & free life & the right to say whatever you think, whether I or anyone else agree with it or not. Have a nice day', then turn & walk away ... and mentally think to yourself 'what a F*%$#$ attitude that #*$@ole has!'

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 5:10 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:10:24 -0500

Your brother and sister vets know and that is all that really matters. Civilians will never understand.

Here is another link for you with a similar question.
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/combat-vets-how-do-you-feel-toward-non-combat-vets

Combat vets how do you feel toward non-combat vets? | RallyPoint

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 5:19 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:19:18 -0500

I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

It doesn't matter if you served in the national guard or reserves and never deployed or if you've been on the front lines. You are a veteran who took the oath of enlistmen . You volunteered to put your life in other people's hands. You were willing to defend that person's right to say the things he said. Stand tall, you did what you thought was right.

Response by PV2 Stacy Halstead made Feb 5 at 2015 5:25 PM

PV2 Stacy Halstead — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:25:20 -0500

Gosh man, i totally feel your pain. That same think happened to me and i have ever since NEVER felt deserving of a Thank You. :(

Response by CSM Ralph Hernandez made Feb 5 at 2015 5:35 PM

CSM Ralph Hernandez — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:35:59 -0500

SPC Ackerman,

You should not feel ashamed or even get your feelings hurt, not everyone gets to deploy. As a SGM I have had so many Soldiers come up to me and ask if they could deploy with me and I had to explain the same thing to them. Just because you didn't deploy doesn't mean that you didn't help the effort or the cause, and that individual that ask how you could even be a veteran is unaware of what Soldiers do so don't waste your time even trying to explain yourself to someone who knows absolutely about the military. You served your Country proudly and should not have to explain yourself to anyone.

V/r

SGM Ralph O. Hernandez

Response by MAJ Ron Peery made Feb 5 at 2015 5:39 PM

MAJ Ron Peery — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:39:50 -0500

You are part of the 1%. What else do they need to know?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 5:47 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:47:28 -0500

You say "I did everything the Army asked me to do. Being deployed just never happened to be one of them". Then you say "You don't have to be in another country to serve this one. Everyone serving stateside is actively protecting us from our enemies". I know lots of people who have volunteered for deployments and still not gotten orders. The Army is going to take who it thinks it needs based on its needs.

Response by MSG Floyd Williams made Feb 5 at 2015 5:48 PM

MSG Floyd Williams — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:48:09 -0500

SPC Alexander Ackerman.... You don't no reason to feel bad or doubt yourself, thank you for serving honorably. That "yard bird" don't have a clue about what classify a person as a veteran, you served during the time of war regardless if you never deployed. I'm more than sure this "yard bird" never served for whatever reason, it sounds more like jealousy to me. If it worth anything I enlisted in the Regular Army when Viet Nam was still going on, but I didn't go to Viet Nam by the time I was getting ready to go to Infantry AIT congress declared to stop sending troops over there. Then, after my four (4) years active duty I joined the Reserves and deployed twice, both times the Army needed in the European Theater. I wanted to go each time, but things happened for a reason.

Response by PO2 Thomas J. made Feb 5 at 2015 5:55 PM

PO2 Thomas J. — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:55:16 -0500

You have nothing to prove to someone who's never served in the military. Does a lack of combat experience make your service any less important than combat troops on the ground? NO. You follow order and go where they send you, because that's where you are needed. Its a big machine, with a lot of parts, some are forward and some are in the back, but they're all still important.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 5:56 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:56:49 -0500

You served period. That by itself says volumes. Many times, we have no control over where we go. Many Vets have served during the Cold War era that never saw combat. I myself have only deployed once to Afghanistan. Does that make me less of a Soldier because I wasn't in Iraq or on numerous combat tours? Not at all. No disrespect to anyone, but just because a Soldier is deployed, it doesn't make their service more valuable than those that never deployed. How you carried yourself and your performance as a Soldier in everything you did is what matters most. Thank you for your service SPC Ackerman. Your service does matter.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 5:58 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:58:51 -0500

You say did u raise your hand and swear in? who the fuck are you guy??? than walk away!! Dont waste your time on stupidity

Response by PO1 Michael Turner made Feb 5 at 2015 6:08 PM

PO1 Michael Turner — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 18:08:44 -0500

Ask them when they offered to give 3 years of their time and possibly their life to serve their country.

Response by PFC Derek Reevs made Feb 5 at 2015 7:55 PM

PFC Derek Reevs — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 19:55:14 -0500

Man I feel this shit every day. It eats at me like a virus or a cancer. Thank you for having the balls to ask.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 7:59 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 19:59:07 -0500

SPC Ackerman,

I have heard that myself when people talk. I can tell you after two tours and almost 30 years you hear a lot of bullshit. Not only civilians but also veterans, believe me it happens. As I consider you a young soldier, I would tell you that the civilian has a right to question you. BUT I will also tell you as a soldier this individual isn't worth the sweat off your nads. Civilians shouldn't bother you at all, they have no clue. It's the fact that you signed your name on that piece of paper and you put that uniform on. Whether your a cook or infantry, I have seen them all get shot at. This is the one thing to keep in mind, when time comes and I hope it never will for you but to answer the call. I have seen many that have weaseled their way out of deployments, yes it happens from lower enlisted to senior officers. Last thing your commander needs to have to deal with individuals that all of a sudden have a change of heart.

Response by MSG Greg Kelly made Feb 5 at 2015 8:10 PM

MSG Greg Kelly — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:10:48 -0500

SPC Alexander Ackerman first off you should be proud of your service alone and do not let some jackass try and take that from you ever civilian or military. If someone is saying crap like that to you or anyone it just shows theirs stupidity. I have seen and heard military doing that to each other. It amazes me, OH my combat was worse than your combat REALLY! WTFO its sad. Does it matter? no one is better than anyone else if you served you served end of story. Now if I see or hear someone claiming combat and had never been there I get pissed or if I see someone faking being a vet that really pisses me off. But saying all that you did your job and should be proud. If that happens again simply say you know I was a soldier and I went were I was told it just happened to not be Iraq or Afghanistan it wasn't your choice. It does not change the fact that I (you) are a Vet.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 8:14 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:14:16 -0500

SPC, you're not the first to deal with this and you won't be the last. I'm currently on transition leave for a MEB. I spent the first 18 months of my 36 months in the Army in EOD school, and spent another 10 months going through the med board process. So there was less than a year of my time in that I was actually serviceable to a unit. Odds are that I did the same work that most of the people in my training pipeline will do, just less of it because deployments are slowing down, and most of them will be out before another deployment comes along.

Anyway, I had brought this up to some people when I was trying to figure out what I was going to do when I got out. My back injury has gotten to the point where I can't pick up a box of paper so there are a lot of jobs I can no longer do, but I felt guilty about getting vocational rehabilitation benefits and the like from the VA because I wasn't a real vet like those guys that deployed. It was at that point that one of the VA benefit reps, a man that had served over 20 years, numerous combat deployments all over the world, and was retired at almost 100% disability and that knew he only had a few years before it would be over 100% and he would no longer be able to work, or hear, or move about on his own. This was his definition of a vet, and for me it really helped put things in perspective for me, and helped resolve some of my own feelings of inadequacies.

"A veteran is a man, or woman, that at some point in their life volunteered to sign a contract that was payable up to and including their life so that we remain the land of the free because of the brave".

I will also give you this quote from an old Billy Ray Cyrus song (yes he gave us something other than Achey Breaky Heart and Miley), "All gave some, some gave all". At some point in your life you volunteered and gave up something, whether it was freedom for the two months of Basic training, and then several months of AIT, time spent in the field, at NTC, or on CQ shifts, or maybe it was something bigger like a deployment and on up to the ultimate sacrifice, you still served.

I'm thankful to see from all of the comments I've read that everyone seems to be on one page. I know that there were times when its a group of Joes that there is the shoulder check looking for that deployment patch, and just something that comes from those that have deployed that is held over the guys who haven't, but when it comes down to a civilian questioning a vet about the way they served a vet is a vet is a vet, no matter where they served or under what branch. Good looking out for your brothers and sisters in arms everyone.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 8:19 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:19:10 -0500

This is something that bothers me. I've been in the airforce nearly 7years, but never gotten PCSd to a "real" base. I've been to Luke, kunsan, luke, kunsan, eielson. In my afsc these bases are non deploying. We only get the occasional TCN or guard deployment slot. I have begged, pleaded, and screamed for a deployment. But Im either passed over for a higher rank, or they use this deployment as a way to rid themselves of the squadron dumbass for a few months.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 8:22 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:22:05 -0500

Just remember that many of these responses are coming from individuals that have deployed, and have received and returned fire, have Purple Hearts and have suffered the consequences of the cruelties that sometimes comes with our service. THEY ARE TELLING YOU THAT YOU HAVE THEIR RESPECT.
//nothing follows//

Response by PO1 Bob Junke made Feb 5 at 2015 8:36 PM

PO1 Bob Junke — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:36:21 -0500

You don't have to justify yourself to anyone, period! I served in the Navy for 13 years and 10 months and NEVER deployed to a combat zone. That's doesn't mean my service is any less important. My service meant that I was trained and ready should that time come to deploy into harms way.

I refuse to accept negative criticism from anyone that tells me I am not a veteran and did not serve my country!

You served 3 years and that service was for your country. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise! I, for one, applaud you for your service!

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Feb 5 at 2015 8:42 PM

Capt Mark Strobl — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:42:38 -0500

Ackerman, If you hold a DD-214, you're a vet. Sh**heads who never had the courage to walk near a recruiter's office will never understand... So, don't waste anytime trying to explain it. Doesn't matter if you were a supply-guy or a gun-slinger: Every job in the military is important --and you contributed to "the mission." Hold your head up, lad. And Carry On!

Response by SPC Jeffrey Gordon made Feb 5 at 2015 8:49 PM

SPC Jeffrey Gordon — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:49:57 -0500

The fact is that you made more of an attempt than 99% of the population. When a Civilian says that to you, look them in the eyes and ask "then why didn't you enlist?"

Response by PO1 Christine Grove made Feb 5 at 2015 9:15 PM

PO1 Christine Grove — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 21:15:10 -0500

Personally, I'd say something like "you might not understand what the word "Veteran" means-- I am a Veteran. I volunteered and served in the U.S. military. My location during my service is not relevant to my status as a Vet. Thank you for asking."
The guy is uneducated. I'm sorry that you were approached that way.

Response by PFC Aaron Knapp made Feb 5 at 2015 9:25 PM

PFC Aaron Knapp — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 21:25:00 -0500

All gave some and some gave all...
The only people you need to worry about is your Peers...and look they are all here supporting you...
Band of Brothers (and Sisters my Friend) Never doubt your service or your commitment.

Response by SGT Dave Kelleher made Feb 5 at 2015 9:33 PM

SGT Dave Kelleher — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 21:33:43 -0500

Dude, you signed that check to Uncle Sam to put your life on the line. They didn't have the balls ( or the guts so I include our sisters in arms who also served. ) . They will never wear the title of a Veteran, only Civilian. The mooch of society the self entitled ,the gimmes. The ones who yell " what have you given me lately.

Response by SA Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 9:43 PM

SA Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 21:43:43 -0500

well if i was to tell you how i responded when some dumb ass questioned my service they would probably find me guilty by todays pc'bs. so i will leave it at that.was honorably discharged at the end of my enlistment and now retired civilian . mobile construction battalion 1, vietnam. did not take crap then and still do not now.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 10:30 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 22:30:16 -0500

Did you raise your right hand? If yes who cares if they think your not a vet. You did and you are. You served here in the states when others were away. You can only go when you have orders in hand. You did your part, rube dirt on it and carry on.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 10:38 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 22:38:30 -0500

Having worked in R&D most of my career, I've never deployed either despite volunteering many times (very limited combat roles for me). I do feel others have sacrificed much more then me and am not offended if I miss a promotion because someone gets selected because they spent time in theater. We shouldn't feel less of a veteran though because we would have answered the call of asked!

Response by SFC Josh Jackson made Feb 5 at 2015 10:43 PM

SFC Josh Jackson — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 22:43:38 -0500

Little brother, you still did more to protect the freedoms of more than 300 million Americans. So you didn't deploy. So? I've been in 20 years and I've deployed a whopping one time. Like you, I have contributed to the defense of the greatest nation ever conceived by man. Serve here, serve there; It doesn't matter. You've still done more for this country than those who never wore the uniform.

Response by SrA Morgan Larche made Feb 5 at 2015 10:49 PM

SrA Morgan Larche — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 22:49:59 -0500

I deployed, but was not a combat veteran. Civilians have no idea about the selfless sacrifice every veteran makes. If you served on active duty for 3 or more years, you're a veteran.
You gave service to your country, and for that, be proud!
On the flip side, I look down on any man who has never served!

Response by Pvt Thomas France made Feb 5 at 2015 11:07 PM

Pvt Thomas France — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 23:07:43 -0500

HERE IS HOW I DEAL.................I NEVER ACTUALLY GRADUATED.FROM BOOT...I WAS OFFICIALLY DISCHARGED ON GRAD DAY ........AS I WAS LEAVING BASE I WATCHED MY PLATOON GRADUATE....HEARTWRENCHING.............BUT I HAVE FOUND THAT MOST PEOPLE WHOM ASK SUCH QUESTIONS NEVER TRIED NOR ATTEMPTED TO JOIN.....SO WHO THE HELL ARE THEY TO QUESTION OUR MORAL AND PATRIOTIC VALUES........I HAVE A DD214 SO I HAVE PROOF I AT LEAST TRIED..........BTW......MY DISCHARGE WAS MEDICAL......

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 11:46 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 23:46:29 -0500

The first thing you can do you have done, reached out to others that are in a position to understand the concept of the service, we are one. We all have a role to fulfill and skills to offer.
I had someone tell me once I was a whore, drawing both my retirement and disability checks at the same time.
I just smiled and asked them if they would ask their boss for a raise.....
they looked at me rather confused...
I talked them if they got a raise, it would mean more taxes and then I could get a raise from their taxes.

After smiling and walking away as they were losing it, I never felt so good. Rather childish on my part but sometimes it feels good to get a jab in there.

Simply look at them and say, oh wow, were you one of the ones that could not get a cushy stateside job? How does that feel not having any pull?

Then walk away. Not saying it is the right thing, but sometimes it helps to just get under their skin a bit.

Response by SPC Cameron Young made Feb 5 at 2015 11:54 PM

SPC Cameron Young — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 23:54:00 -0500

I didn't deploy either in my 5 years of service, I ended up always getting orders to new locations just as the units were already gearing for deployments and didn't put me on the rosters. I did a lot more good state side anyway as I did one hell of a good job for my units always as I continually got applauded for my hard work from my unit and brigade commanders. A lot of the comments below are right, so what if you didn't deploy, the gentleman didn't have the balls to even enlist as you have done so, and you are reaping the benefits from doings....9/11 GI Bill, BAH, etc.....

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 12:00 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 00:00:17 -0500

Sir you signed a blank check for your life he didn't enough said!

Response by CW2 Scott Quaife made Feb 6 at 2015 12:11 AM

CW2 Scott Quaife — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 00:11:29 -0500

First, you volunteered and served more than 90 days. Second , you aren't alone. As a pilot we had guys running to Ft Rucker to be instrutors, then hang out to avoid deployment. I sure wish I never had to deploy and those friends I lost in Iraq were back home. Relax, be proud, there are plenty of slackers who never raised their hand, let alone lift a finger to serve this great country.

Response by SrA Michael Dolson made Feb 6 at 2015 12:30 AM

SrA Michael Dolson — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 00:30:08 -0500

YOU SIGNED A CONTRACT TO BE IN THE MILITARY. YOU PUT IN YOUR YEARS. THAT IS ALL! HE CAN GO SCREW HIMSELF, BASIC TRAINING IS THE SECOND TEST, VOLUNTEERING IS THE FIRST. YOU PUT YOUR GUTS ON THE LINE, DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO GET BLOWN OFF!

Response by SSG Sean Garcia made Feb 6 at 2015 12:32 AM

SSG Sean Garcia — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 00:32:46 -0500

So you didn't deploy. Big deal, you are a Veteran, you did something that many individuals your age failed to do. You felt a sense of duty and enlisted, you served. Doesn't matter for how long, you did. Next time tell him to go kick rocks

Response by LCpl Peter Janka made Feb 6 at 2015 4:46 AM

LCpl Peter Janka — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 04:46:56 -0500

Everything just depends on the reasons.

If your unit didn't deploy overseas, then so be it.
If you were legitimately injured and unable, there's your reason.
If you chose a different route (ie one station or transfer over another) then you gained a different set of experience and skills while still serving your country.
And, as many people have pointed out below, unless you intentionally for no good reason avoided deployment, only then should you feel bad.

On a personal note of answering, when people ask me about my time and I tell them I never deployed over 2 1/2 years of my time in, I honestly tell them it was for the best. I had an injury that was being denied by medical staff in my unit and ultimately cost me a good portion of my ankle, as well as an injury to my neck/jaw/upper back.

Someone gives me a hard time I show them the scars from my surgery at the VA and then ask them what they would rather have:
1. My telling them I didn't deploy
OR
2.The possibility of their loved one in a casket because I deployed when my injuries caused failed PFTs, but I didn't want to wound my pride or look bad compared to the next guy.

It's ok to wish you had gotten a chance, or to even admit you were scared, so long as you didn't do anything illegal or immoral to avoid deployment. Those of us who took the oath and honorably did our time (no matter how short) served our country in the capacity we were able and allowed to. You made a choice most of the population couldn't or wouldn't, and you put yourself to be in a position to be deployed. You were given leadership skills, training, and experiences that not only allowed you to serve your country while in uniform, but even after you've done your time in that uniform, and nobody can take that away from you.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 4:50 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 04:50:29 -0500

I have seen this happen to numerous of my Soldiers, and it is a concern of mine, and something that really bothers me. As someone that has been in the military for 13 plus years with numerous deployments, I would first like to say to you, thank you for your service, and never let what someone else says dictate how you feel or the decisions that you have made. Always remember that there are only 1% of the country that even put there right hand to the sky and take the oath in which we take, and if there is a civilian that doesn't want to give you the respect that you deserve then tell them to go sit on a spinning middle finger. You are now, and always will be a veteran, and even though you may not have deployed as of yet, I am sure you will get your time, but until then keep your head up, check your six, and always keep your feet moving forward, because we don't retreat, or surrender.

Response by Sgt Jonathan Hopkins made Feb 6 at 2015 5:49 AM

Sgt Jonathan Hopkins — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 05:49:48 -0500

I would have been four colors of pissed if I even heard that second hand and knew you. I would have kept my cool, but would have asserted to him reasons that would compel him never to say such stupid shit again. You showed remarkable restraint brother.

Response by Cpl Clinton Britt made Feb 6 at 2015 5:56 AM

Cpl Clinton Britt — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 05:56:14 -0500

Brother, just because you didnt deploy doesn't mean that you didnt serve. Who cares what they have to say

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 7:10 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 07:10:59 -0500

You say, "I made myself available to the military and to the needs of the nation. I am still available, at a moments notice, to deploy, fight and even die for this country. Are you?"

They may think you are being indignant (if they were not in the military or currently serving). But it's an honest answer to a stupid question.

What they are really saying when they ask this question, is, "I feel inadequate and want to make myself feel important. So I am going to ask this stupid question, 'If you didn't deploy, how are you a veteran?'

There are two types of veterans. Combat Veterans served in a combat zone. Everybody that has put on the uniform in an official military capacity is a Veteran.

Response by SSgt Art Arvizu made Feb 6 at 2015 7:41 AM

SSgt Art Arvizu — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 07:41:07 -0500

Just lie, like Brian Williams...

Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Feb 6 at 2015 8:09 AM

SPC Steven Depuy — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 08:09:15 -0500

When I took my son to MEP's, the Major that swore him in said that less than 1% of the country serves in the military anymore. I was kind of shocked to here that. My son did deploy, while my service was basically sitting in West Germany for three years drinking really good beer. While I consider myself a veteran, and know I served my country, I don't consider myself my son or fathers equal who both deployed to a war zone. I would respond to someone like that simply saying "I answered my countries call to serve, I could not help what they did with me after I signed up, if you were deployed and served in combat, you have my utmost respect, if you did not, then either sign up yourself, or shut up"

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 8:11 AM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 08:11:43 -0500

I honestly had no clue how to deal with people when they thanked me for my service before I deployed. I really didn't have a sense of pride or accomplishment until I did. I can now take that compliment with pride since I have.

You only did 3 years, so I'm assuming you got out on medical? sorry to say, but nobody really respects anyone that spent most of their time in limdu/profile- you haven't accomplished anything if that's the case.

Response by LCDR Charles White made Feb 6 at 2015 8:13 AM

LCDR Charles White — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 08:13:14 -0500

DON'T EVER let anyone tell you that you are not a veteran. You wrote that blank check payable to the United States for the value up to and including your life. DO NOT let the ignorance of the civilian population get in your head. I spent many years sitting back in support roles and I can tell you that while I was deployed that the missions over there could not happen without the support of the personnel behind the lines. You were where you were needed and sometimes that can be less than fulfilling but you were a vital part of operations. You ARE a veteran, And a brother. Don't let anyone take that away from you. HOOAH...

Response by MSG Dan Foster made Feb 6 at 2015 8:31 AM

MSG Dan Foster — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 08:31:41 -0500

You're a Veteran because you raised your hand, took the oath and deployed from the safety of your home to begin your military training. My come back would be, "I took the oath and served with honor, what did you do?"

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 8:51 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 08:51:32 -0500

You simply ask, and how many years did you serve Sir/Ma'am?

Response by CSM Carlson C. made Feb 6 at 2015 8:55 AM

CSM Carlson C. — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 08:55:22 -0500

You know what troop? I never deployed either. Guess what? That didn't prevent me from progressing the 17 years I've had in the military. Sometimes people don't end up going over. My new unit will be deploying soon so that streak will be over soon. However, do not let that aspect of your military service be judged by the crap that spews from from some random civilian that probably never even answered the call to service. You, young man, are a Patriot. A member of a band of brothers and sisters that you will always be a part of, and understanding that will never leave you.

The best advice was from LTC Vincent Stoneking - "Open your hand and let that last f%ck fly away into the sky". Because guess what Soldier? You have nothing to be ashamed of.

Response by SPC Mark Beard made Feb 6 at 2015 9:08 AM

SPC Mark Beard — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 09:08:35 -0500

this happened to me pulled out a copy of my DD214 and said where is yours ohhh ok next time think before you speak

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 9:41 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 09:41:59 -0500

Stand tall and proud you served your country Alex. Turn the tide on them and ask what have they done to support the security of our nation?

Response by SrA Britney Sharpe made Feb 6 at 2015 9:48 AM

SrA Britney Sharpe — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 09:48:32 -0500

You signed up and when you did, you agreed to give everything up to and possibly including your life. A civilian will never understand as they have never experienced selflessness. Your sacrifices may not include combat, but you stood in the paint and was ready to go when called. People overall are idiots. You did something most others can not, and that is sign up and go!

Response by MSG Brian Breaker made Feb 6 at 2015 9:50 AM

MSG Brian Breaker — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 09:50:08 -0500

SPC Alexander Ackerman,

I can't say much that hasn't already been said, but I will say this. You are a Veteran. I have meet a number of Soldier's that have not deployed and they felt bad. The only reason to feel bad about not deploying is if you worked hard to not deploy. Those people know who they are. I am still serving and have not deployed since Desert Storm. I know in my heart I have never tried to get out of deployment. I just happened to be in units that did not deploy. The hardest thing for me to do was watch as my Army Reserve Soldiers were crossed leveled to another unit for deployment. Hold your head up because you are a Veteran.

Response by LCpl Jerry Parker made Feb 6 at 2015 10:11 AM

LCpl Jerry Parker — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:11:10 -0500

I used to wonder the same thing, until I had a grizzled old Vietnam vet thank me for my service, ('84 - '89). He reminded me that even though his generation fought, and mine stood post, if we had not been there doing our jobs, that all hell may have broke loose. He reminded me that we Cold War Marines kept the wolves at bay. (I know that this applies to ALL service Men and Women, not just those of us fortunate enough to be Marines....lol)
Now I look at it from the standpoint that if I had not done my job, my 2 sons would not be able to do theirs. (Marine Corps and Air Force)

Response by SSG Richard Reilly made Feb 6 at 2015 10:28 AM

SSG Richard Reilly — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:28:11 -0500

Just don't deal with it. You have to have pride in your own service. No one can take away what you did and if they try then just say sorry you feel that way and drive on. If you know you gave 110% to your job and you feel what you did matters then just let them be ignorant and jump to stupid conclusions.

Response by SGT Marvin "Dave" Bigham made Feb 6 at 2015 10:38 AM

SGT Marvin "Dave" Bigham — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:38:01 -0500

Realize that your concern is what makes you valid in this issue and their ignorance is accepted since your were/are willing to fight for their right to express their opinion.
Do you honestly think that combat vets want every generation to go to war? Nope! I am glad to have served my country and even happier that we have the world's recognition/respect so that YOU did not have to fight in a war or work in a hot zone during your enlistment. Be proud of the time you gave to your country and simply thank the uninformed (and non-uniformed) for their support. Then move on with your life.
(If it helps... I like to imagine those folks going through an assault course or facing off a DI with their ignorance. Then, I am truly glad that God graced me with the strength I needed to take my place in the rank and file so others could live without concerning themselves with the safety of our nation and personal freedoms.)

Response by SPC Brandon Heckert made Feb 6 at 2015 10:43 AM

SPC Brandon Heckert — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:43:34 -0500

I have felt this way too! Then I remember one undeniable truth. If I had been called to war during my time of service, nothing could of kept me from it! That's what makes you a veteran!! Nec Aspera Terent!!

Response by SSG Anthony G made Feb 6 at 2015 10:58 AM

SSG Anthony G — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:58:37 -0500

Who is he to tell you that? Next time tell him "hey I put myself out there what did you do? "

Response by SPC Greg Corless made Feb 6 at 2015 11:08 AM

SPC Greg Corless — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:08:37 -0500

You're a "military veteran" not a "combat veteran" just because you haven't deployed doesn't make you a non-veteran

Response by MAJ Matthew Arnold made Feb 6 at 2015 11:15 AM

MAJ Matthew Arnold — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:15:04 -0500

I'm with you. I served from 1978 to 2002 (half active duty, half NG) and was never deployed to a combat theatre. My dad is a WW2 vet. My brother is a VN vet. I want to be like them. It was my intention to come home with my shield (blooded) or on it. But, in all those years of service, I was never deployed. Trained and trained and trained, never tried. When they find out I am a veteran, people ask, what did you do in the war? I say, they never sent me to war. I feel somewhat less, it bothers me, but I am a little consoled that it was not my choice, I wanted to go.

It haunts me:

And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
--Shakespeare, Henry V

Response by SFC Richard M. made Feb 6 at 2015 11:38 AM

SFC Richard M. — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:38:33 -0500

That's funny coming from a civilian. At least you served.

Don't let it bother you, I see more and more Soldiers nowadays that don't have a patch on their right sleeve and it doesn't make their commitment any less valuable.

I know you remember the words of the Soldier's creed, when you put them in the past tense, they apply to you:

I was an American Soldier
I was a warrior and a member of a team
I served the people of the United States and lived the Army Values
I always placed the mission first
I never accepted defeat
I never quit
I never left a fallen comrade
I was disciplined, physically and mentally tough
Trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills
I always maintained my arms, my equipment and myself
I was an expert and a professional
I STOOD READY TO DEPLOY, ENGAGE, AND DESTROY THE ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN CLOSE COMBAT
I was a guardian of freedom and the American Way of life
I WILL ALWAYS CONSIDER MYSELF AN AMERICAN SOLDIER!

Then look at that jackass and ask him, What about you?

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 11:41 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:41:04 -0500

In my humble opinion, to hell with him. I get asked that quite often because I'm not shy about my service. I am not a combat veteran but in my 13 years of service, I deployed 5 times, underwent numerous deployment workups, and missed much during that time. the way I see things, from my perspective of course, is simply this: you signed a check to the United States of America and left the amount blank, leaving our country to fill that in for you. You willingly volunteered yourself and put yourself out there. You made the choice to serve knowing that you may never deploy or you may die during a deployment with no way to predict what the future holds.

The uninitiated many in the country don't understand what it means to join the military so they can't comprehend the sacrifices you showed you were willing to make. Don't worry about what someone like that says, he certainly will never understand what service to the country means.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Feb 6 at 2015 11:47 AM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:47:59 -0500

When a civilian asks that question, look them straight in the eye - "Have you served?" If the answer is yes, then just say, "well you know not everyone get to go. I just follow the orders given me and go where I'm ordered to".

Response by MSgt Jim Wolverton made Feb 6 at 2015 11:56 AM

MSgt Jim Wolverton — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:56:10 -0500

We don't always get to pick whether we deploy or not, that's not something you can control. I don't value the comments of non-veterans when it comes to the military, they haven't earned the right.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 12:34 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 12:34:53 -0500

Well, you came in when things in Iraq and/or Afghanistan was winding down. But, things may not be still for long. You be able to look taht dude in the eye and tell him that even though I may have not deployed, I still showed the nerve to volunteer. The fact that you did that shows me your willingness to deploy into harm's way at any possible moment. Take it from a guy with 5 deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Response by SFC Tane Anderson made Feb 6 at 2015 12:36 PM

SFC Tane Anderson — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 12:36:48 -0500

As long as you aren't a deployment dodger you're golden. You're not missing anything anyway, glad you didn't have to go. Just tell them you don't get to chose to deploy or not you just do what they tell you to do. There are varying levels of service and you did more than most Americans.

Response by SGT Andrew Chapman made Feb 6 at 2015 12:42 PM

SGT Andrew Chapman — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 12:42:58 -0500

There are jobs that require being deployed and ones that don't. There are times you go and times you don't. So for those who have gone you say Thank You I kept things safe at home for you! An those who didn't serve at all who cares!!!!!!!!!

Response by CMC Robert Young made Feb 6 at 2015 1:19 PM

CMC Robert Young — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 13:19:41 -0500

I haven't had quite that bad an experience but some similar.

I'm a reservist. Beginning with the surge in 2003, I was recalled to active duty twice. I completed my obligated reserve Title 10 commitment and volunteered to stay for as long as the Coast Guard needed me. I traveled the country away from my home and family for more than seven years doing maritime defense and homeland security missions. I even volunteered for Coast Guard missions in the Middle East, but I was told that the maritime security and harbor defense mission my team was performing was critical to the country's continued health, wealth and success; that I should drive on with the mission I was given; that Uncle Sam had me where they needed me most.

You are separate and apart from anybody who would make such an uninformed statement. You swore an oath to protect and defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. That's enough! We all go where we're told to go, and do what we're told to do. You did was you were directed, and the role you played is far superior to that of anybody small enough to make that statement. Good on you and thank for serving!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 1:20 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 13:20:35 -0500

You simply infrom them that not all service to this country is done on the battlefield. And as for how to keep this from nagging you, then you have to convince and allow yourself to believe that you worked for your country and that your toils and labor was important, and therefore, you did in fact, serve your country. You ARE a veteran. You did what less than 1% of the American populus does. So who are they to judge?

Response by CWO3 John Smith made Feb 6 at 2015 1:27 PM

CWO3 John Smith — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 13:27:48 -0500

Educate them as to the definition of "Veteran", "Combat Veteran" and "Non-Veteran".

Response by Cpl Robert Wallace made Feb 6 at 2015 1:43 PM

Cpl Robert Wallace — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 13:43:37 -0500

Alexander. I have no pithy rejoinder. I signed on for an enlistment near the end of the cold war. As Marine grunts we deployed constantly of regular pumps, and a couple of hot deployments in Northern Thailand and the Phillipines to shoo off some commie guerillas who scattered when we pulled up. As I was getting short I extended to take an offer for a postion in the bn STA team. As a result I ended up in Kuwait in heavy combat with months left in my total of six years of service. I otherwise would have been pretty much in your same boat.

My point? Well. It's all a roll of the dice who gets to go. Unlike 99% of your male contemporaries you had the giblets to role the dice. I have two nephews who served as Marine Grunts in Ambar and Afgan who saw some pretty heavy lifting and a son in boot camp at Benning slotted for tanker school. When we, my nephews and I, drink some Bulliet with a vet, we drink some Bulliet with a vet. The particulars of combat service are just entertaining small talk. Sometimes some of it of even true! When my son goes to his full time duty station in all likelihood he won't see combat. Let someone say something stupid to him in my presence or in front of one of my nephews. In the Marines, as in any other service I'm sure, it is taboo to slander non deployed service. Now I'm a commercial artist in my 40's. I am well payed to make toothbrushes look cooler and granola bars look more appetizing. At this moment in world history you are making a far greater and more positive contribution to humanity than I am.

Fu@# them and come have a drink with us.

Response by SGT Richard Sprague made Feb 6 at 2015 2:02 PM

SGT Richard Sprague — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 14:02:58 -0500

I was asked that many years ago during while serving during peace time. I just asked him how he could even ask me such a question when he never served. Being a Veteran is someone who serves in the military not whether he goes to war or not, if that were the case there would be many who would not be considered Veterans. My advice to you is got to any military or government site and look up the definition of veteran and go from there.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 2:10 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 14:10:22 -0500

Print out a copy of the following and hand it to the civilian (or read #11 to them if you don't have much time):

RULES FOR THE NON-MILITARY

Dear Civilians, 'We know that the current state of affairs in our great nation has many
civilians up in arms and excited to join the military.

For those of you who can't join, you can still lend a hand. Here are a few of the areas where
we would like your assistance:

1. The next time you see any adults talking (or wearing a hat) during the playing of the
National Anthem - kick their ass.

2. When you witness, firsthand, someone burning the American Flag in protest - kick their ass.

3. Regardless of the rank they held while they served, pay the highest amount of respect to all veterans. If you see anyone doing otherwise, quietly pull them aside and explain how these veterans fought for the very freedom they bask in every second. Enlighten them on the many sacrifices these veterans made to make this Nation great. Then hold them down while a disabled veteran kicks their ass.

4. If you were never in the military, DO NOT pretend that you were. Wearing battle dress uniforms (BDUs) or Jungle Fatigues, telling others that you used to be 'Special Forces'. Collecting GI Joe memorabilia, might have been okay when you were seven years old, now, it will only make you look stupid and get your ass kicked.

5. Next time you come across an *Air Force* member, do not ask them, 'Do you fly a jet?' Not everyone in the Air Force is a pilot. Such ignorance deserves an ass-kicking
(children are exempt).

6. If you witness someone calling the *US Coast Guard* 'non-military', inform them
of their mistake - and kick their ass.

7. Next time Old Glory (the US flag) prances by during a parade, get on your damn feet and pay homage to her by placing your hand over your heart. Quietly thank the military member or veteran lucky enough to be carrying her - of course, failure to do either of those could earn you a severe ass-kicking.

8. Don't try to discuss politics with a military member or veteran. We are Americans, and we all bleed the same, regardless of our party affiliation. Our Chain of Command is to include our Commander-In-Chief (CinC). The President (for those who didn't know) is our CinC Regardless of political party. We have no inside track on what happens inside those big important buildings where all those representatives meet. All we know is that when those civilian representatives screw up the situation, they call upon the military to go straighten it out. If you keep asking us the same stupid questions repeatedly, you will get your ass kicked.

9. 'Your mama wears combat boots' never made sense to me - stop saying it! If she did, she would most likely be a vet and therefore would kick your ass!

10. 'Flyboy' (*Air Force*), 'Jarhead' (*Marines*), 'Grunt' (*Army*), 'Squid' (*Navy*), 'Puddle Jumpers' (*Coast Guard*), etc., are terms of endearment we use describing each other. Unless you are a service member or vet, you have not earned the right to use them. Using them could get your ass kicked.

11. If you ask a vet where he or she deployed and they tell you that their unit did not deploy. Understand that this vet did something you did not do… he/she raised his/her hand and swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. This vet was WILLING to be in harm’s way to defend YOUR freedoms. Thank him or her for their commitment and sacrifices. Failure to understand and respect this deserves an ass kicking.

12. Last, but not least, whether or not you become a member of the military, support our troops and their families. Every Thanksgiving and Religious holiday that you enjoy with family and friends, please remember that there are literally thousands of Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen far from home wishing they could be with their families. Thank God for our military and the sacrifices they make every day. Without them, our country would get it's ass kicked. Believe it.

'It's the Veteran, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press.'

'It's the Veteran, not the poet, who has given us the freedom of speech.'

'It's the Veteran, not the community organizer, who gives us the freedom to demonstrate.'

'It's the Military who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin
is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag.'

AND ONE MORE:

WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE, ONLY BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!

Response by LCpl Steve Wininger made Feb 6 at 2015 2:17 PM

LCpl Steve Wininger — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 14:17:00 -0500

I know how you feel SPC Private RallyPoint Member I served in a time of relative calm during the early to late mid-eighties. I deployed once on a naval ship and once to Okinawa Japan, both times we never saw any action, we were merely a force in readiness. The fact you served makes you a veteran. Just because you didn't deploy does not change that.

You were willing to go, that is what matters.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Feb 6 at 2015 3:11 PM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 15:11:03 -0500

I think if you packed a chute, loaded ammo onto pallets to ship, loaded MRE,s to ship, or anything that supported the troops deployed, severed and was ready to ship out, trained said troops, or was in training or at and active duty or served in the reserve corp during and didnt DODGE the deployment. Then you are a VETERAN!
I would just tell them that I was ready and trained up for deployment in case my time came but the unit I was with wasn't deployed, and I served my country where I was needed.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE SPC Alex Ackerman.

Response by MCPO Katrina Hutcherson made Feb 6 at 2015 3:37 PM

MCPO Katrina Hutcherson — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 15:37:47 -0500

There are a lot of great responses here but I would like to add; remember the phrase "an Army runs on its stomach." Only a very small percentage of our military deploys. It takes the bulk of the members to provide all manner of support to make that happen. no ones job is unimportant and you should be proud of yourself for volunteering to defend our country and meeting the standards to do so.

If they give you grief remind them of the above and tell them to go pound sand !!

Response by Capt Nancie Baker made Feb 6 at 2015 3:38 PM

Capt Nancie Baker — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 15:38:57 -0500

Alexander, I spent 20 years in the Air Force Reserves, most of that time in an aeromedical evacuation squadron. I was called up during the first Gulf War, but stayed state-side. After that, I never actually deployed, never set foot in the sandbox. I, too, sometimes feel like I didn't do enough, but the reality is, by serving at all, you signed a blank check with your life, that you were ready, willing, and able to do whatever you were called upon to do whenever they called you to do it. Folks who never served don't understand that. Of course, I usually don't get asked, just a "thanks for your service" comment when someone finds out I've been in. If some idiot is stupid enough to make such a comment to you, then they truly have no idea what it means to serve your country. You don't have to answer them at all. If you want, just ask them "what did YOU do to serve your country?"

Thank you for your service!

Response by SSgt Scott Nichols made Feb 6 at 2015 3:39 PM

SSgt Scott Nichols — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 15:39:29 -0500

A veteran is anybody who signed the line and honorably completed the contract. Combat has no bearing on that distinction. How do you respond? Say; "Ok. have a nice day." Then walk away. Somebody that obtuse is not looking to have a conversation. They are looking to start a fight and not worth a moment's thought.

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Feb 6 at 2015 3:43 PM

SGT Michael Glenn — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 15:43:17 -0500

You deal with it with a grain of salt, deploying isnt everything and Id like someone try to tell me that all those deployments can be done with no rear detachment...then Id like to see them make me believe their nonsense.

Response by Sgt David G Duchesneau made Feb 6 at 2015 3:59 PM

Sgt David G Duchesneau — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 15:59:16 -0500

First off, these people who ask you those type of questions are not your friends. Therefore, just dismiss what they are saying because they have no right to ask you anything.
Secondly, they have no idea what the meaning of a Veteran is. There s no standard definition of "Military Veteran." Most dictionaries define "veteran" as a person who has served in the armed forces. Using that definition, a person would be considered a "military veteran with just one day of military service. The best definition of a veteran was written by an unknown author: "A Veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United State of America," for an amount of"up to and including my life."

You did exactly what you were ordered to do and just the fact that you did serve your Country in whatever capacity, you are a Veteran and you should be proud! Never feel that you have to explain to anyone what you did or didn't do. All that matters is that you Served. Thanks for your Service! SF!

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 4:12 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:12:03 -0500

It's interesting that when civilians think of deployment it has to be combat and a war. They never realize that many deploy and never see combat or are in a theater of war or conflict. They also don't understand that a SM could actually serve their first enlistment stateside. That a military deployment is simply the movement of armed forces and their logistical support infrastructure around the world.

Don't let it bother you. You are one of a select few of this country who have earned the title of veteran through blood, sweat and tears. And that my friend can never be taken away!

Response by SPC Charles Griffith made Feb 6 at 2015 4:36 PM

SPC Charles Griffith — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:36:00 -0500

Hold your head high Soldier for you at least answered the call ! ! ! ! There is nothing you can say to someone who doesn't have the Courage and Honor to don a uniform and stand watch over their Rights and Freedoms that will help them see our sacrifice. I as a fellow Warrior thank you for your service and hope all the best for you and your's. And remember you ARE a 1 percenter.

Response by Cpl Christopher Bishop made Feb 6 at 2015 4:39 PM

Cpl Christopher Bishop — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 16:39:35 -0500

I'm not sure I'm even grasping the question properly. I mean ... Whaddya mean "have to deal with them?" You don't.

A sheepdog does not concern itself with the opinions of sheep.

Maybe my response to that would be "I served by putting myself into the position to serve." I might also mention how I "met all of the service-joining requirements and completed all of the training." In other words, Id just chime on that which 99% cannot/will not do.

And if these people who are really grilling you about it get annoying...you can always mention that its not their opinions that grant you your various VetBenefits, which they pay for via taxes, so thanks!! =)

Response by SGT Richard H. made Feb 6 at 2015 5:06 PM

SGT Richard H. — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 17:06:01 -0500

Just say something glib like "They didn't pay me for what I did. They paid me for what I was WILLING to do."

Response by AN Jim Kenihan made Feb 6 at 2015 5:54 PM

AN Jim Kenihan — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 17:54:55 -0500

Tell them "It's a team sport".

Response by SGT Craig Northacker made Feb 6 at 2015 6:52 PM

SGT Craig Northacker — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 18:52:17 -0500

Just tell them who you served with - the rest is none of their business. "I had my orders and I followed them, just the same as every other soldier." After all, it can be a lottery as to who goes into theater...Every soldier, sailor, airman, marine and coastie takes a very active turn in being part of the select group who served their country-as opposed to those who probably did not even see the inside of a uniform. Wear your service with pride. You did what you needed to do. What has he done?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 6:57 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 18:57:08 -0500

You are in the 1% be proud.

Response by COL Randall C. made Feb 6 at 2015 6:59 PM

COL Randall C. — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 18:59:55 -0500

https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/combat-vets-how-do-you-feel-toward-non-combat-vets?urlhash=183420

Combat vets how do you feel toward non-combat vets? | RallyPoint

Response by PO3 Tim M made Feb 6 at 2015 7:46 PM

PO3 Tim M — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 19:46:52 -0500

The military is one Unit. Everything anyone has done has had an effect on whatever the mission was. Doesn't matter if you got shot at or if you stood watch at a quarterdeck all day. Feel thankful for the opportunity to do be apart of a brotherhood and the opportunities it gave you and be grateful you didn't have to look death in the face and grateful others have. You don't have the choice to do what you want your told what to do. Know that the ones who did fight, knew that if you were there you would have had their backs and if necessary taken the ultimate sacrifice. This is 100 times more than any regular civilian can say about their entire life. Then answer the question this way... It's none of your business what I did for my country. All you need to know is that I DID something for my country. And that has earned me a thanks and the right to bitch slap you for not having the balls to do what I did or the willingness to endure freedom. Tell them to go enjoy the freedom that your still willing to die for. This country belongs to it's service men and women first and forthright. Thanks for your service bother! Hope this helps.

Response by SPC Dan Seese made Feb 6 at 2015 8:15 PM

SPC Dan Seese — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 20:15:05 -0500

WOW!! how ignorant some people are! So that means in complete peace time there are no veterans. I sure hope you were able to educate this person.

I myself was in the US Army 1971-73 and deployed to Germany. At this time we were involved in Viet Nam. My MOS was 71B and at times I was embarrassed when speaking with someone who fought in Korea, VN, Afghanistan or Iraq. They would tell me even though I didn't deploy to those countries that my work wasn't important or needed.

Just be proud of who you are and the fact that you did serve your country so that people like that can be free to say the stupid things they utter.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 9:15 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 21:15:13 -0500

@SPC Alexander Ackerman - check out this topic as well:
Anyone else deal with a civilian who does not care for Service Members? You will see some interesting posts here as well.

Response by SPC Garrett Murray made Feb 6 at 2015 9:16 PM

SPC Garrett Murray — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 21:16:26 -0500

Never had anyone ever say that to me. I served Seven years in the U.S. Army Infantry 94-01. I missed out on both Bush wars. It's not that I dodged the wars it just didn't happen during my career. I had all intentions of going over seas and serving my country with pride but, Uncle Sam couldn't find me a suitable war.

Don't feel bad or less of a soldier for not serving in combat. Just serving and knowing at any point in time you could have been called upon is good enough to be called a Veteran.

Response by Maj Mike Sciales made Feb 6 at 2015 9:30 PM

Maj Mike Sciales — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 21:30:35 -0500

Can't fight ignorance. I've was in Baghdad in 2006 and saw plenty of rockets and VBEDs and IEDs and other nasty things and people have told me "But, like you weren't kicking in doors and on the front, right?" I tell them we haven't had front lines since Korea. People just don't get it. Service is service - the glamor of a combat zone fades in about 20 minutes after you get there.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 10:44 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 22:44:16 -0500

SPC Ackerman, don't sweat what others say/think about you or your service to our nation. It's not about how many times you deployed. It's about having the stones to don the uniform and sacrifice one's life for those you may never know.

Response by MSgt John Kendall made Feb 6 at 2015 11:11 PM

MSgt John Kendall — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 23:11:16 -0500

All of us in the military put our lives on hold to protect this country whether we deploy or not. Even if you don't deploy you are definitely supporting the ones that do in one way or another. The military is a brotherhood we all take care of each other. I have been deployed many times and my troops made sure that my family was taken care of while I was gone. In return I did the same for them. Just because you haven't been deployed doesn't mean you didn't serve your country honorably.

Response by CPT Alfred Smiley made Feb 6 at 2015 11:22 PM

CPT Alfred Smiley — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 23:22:32 -0500

Number one, civilians are idiots. If you had deployed, they'd then want to know if you ever left the FOB. If you had left the FOB, they'd want to know if you were ever shot at.

Number two, you were AVAILABLE for deployment -- any time, any where. How the Army chose to use you was the Army's decision, not yours.

Number three, there are trouble spots all over the globe, not just Afghanistan and Iraq. The Army has to keep an eye on all of them and keep enough of its force in reserve to be able to respond to sudden developments in other theaters. What if the balloon had gone up in Korea? What if Russia had invaded another neighboring country? What if India and Pakistan decided to exchange nukes? Sometimes, aggressive countries stay in their own sandbox only because they know they'd have to contend with the non-deployed forces of the U.S. military.

Number four, you sacrificed your personal freedom as an American during the entire time you were a soldier. That, more than anything else, is what makes you a Veteran. Once you volunteered your service, you gave up your right to reject any assignment you did not want, no matter how dangerous, difficult, distasteful, boring, or lonely. That's a sacrifice of freedom that the average American never has to make.

Response by SSG Stephen Arnold made Feb 7 at 2015 12:09 AM

SSG Stephen Arnold — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 00:09:23 -0500

Many civilians believe that the only veterans are combat veterans. That is incorrect. You are a veteran because you served.

I deployed AFTER my ETS. My deployment earned a combat ribbon. My father called it a "Barney Fife War" because I kept my bullet(s) in my pocket.

You are a veteran because you served. Period.

Response by Sgt Joshua Seavey made Feb 7 at 2015 12:20 AM

Sgt Joshua Seavey — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 00:20:04 -0500

Well first anyone who serves and gets out is a Veteran. If you were to deploy to a combat zone (anywhere that gets hazard duty pay) then you would be a combat veteran.

If I straight up civilian (never served) is the one asking... At least you had the balls to fight for your country which holds more honor than ANY other occupation by far. Besides who the fuck is he/she to judge you; what have they done so spectacular that is more honorable than you serving?... That's right, not a damn thing.

Deployment or not if you served you are an outstanding member (veteran) of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

So my advice to you is take that for what it is ... Ignorant civilian ... And just remember... You served. And next time just say your welcome and push on.

Hope that helps

Response by SGT Scott Bailey made Feb 7 at 2015 12:22 AM

SGT Scott Bailey — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 00:22:16 -0500

I understand what you're going through. I am a Vietnam Era veteran and never deployed. There were still soldiers over there when I enlisted, but was winding down. When asked what era I served, I tell them Vietnam era. Then they ask where I was stationed in Vietnam. When I tell them I didn't deploy, they tell me I'm no Vietnam vet. Well, I am, it's going to be on my headstone that is prearranged at central Texas veterans cemetery. It's like saying you aren't an Iraq vet because you didn't deploy there. Well, we have other obligations around the world and we have to rotate soldiers there. But you are still an Iraq veteran. We don't make these things up, it's how the Army classifies us. Whenever I talk to a vet that served in Vietnam, I feel kind of low because I wasn't there. I understand exactly where you're coming from.

Response by SPC Robert Treat made Feb 7 at 2015 12:29 AM

SPC Robert Treat — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 00:29:36 -0500

Bro, you are a Vet, just because you didn't deploy like some of us, doesn't mean that your service is any less important, WHY, because while we were over there doing our job, you were here doing yours in the national defense of the US.
We are all a team, and we all got a job to do, and we all watch each others backs. That civilian POS can't even hold your jock strap! Haters will always hate, take those haters and make them your motivators! Your always my Bro, Roger Out!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 12:51 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 00:51:30 -0500

Brother I've been in for 12 years and iven after volunteering havent gotten to go. I just leave it that the good Lord didnt want me there. Every thing happens for a reason. Trust God and and see what lies ahead of you.

Response by CMSgt Ernest Walker made Feb 7 at 2015 12:56 AM

CMSgt Ernest Walker — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 00:56:32 -0500

I served in the Air Force from 1961 until 1991. I was never sent to Vietnam although I never did anything to avoid it. I was prepared to go but my number never came up. I don't feel less of my service to our country because of the way my career turned out. I AM a veteran and proud of it.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 1:05 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 01:05:51 -0500

Tell them to consult the dictionary on the definition of "veteran."

Response by Sgt Mark Ramos made Feb 7 at 2015 2:02 AM

Sgt Mark Ramos — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 02:02:34 -0500

Graciousness will serve you well in any situation. When I separated, service wasn't a big deal. But after a few long wars the military, and veterans, are getting well earned recognition. When people thank me ask me what I did, I thank them. I thank them for an all expense paid vacation to an exciting, foreign land. I had a great time, met fantastic people, and built memories that will last a life time. So thank you, Mr. & Mrs. tax payer.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 2:32 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 02:32:53 -0500

You reply that you took the same path of enlistment that everyone else has and that you may not be a combat veteran but you still wake up everyday and serve your country.... Which is more than most people

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 2:48 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 02:48:36 -0500

I just tell them I never deployed; In fact I served during the longest period of relative peace, (28 years Reserve, Guard and some active) commissioned after Vietnam and mandatorily retired just before 9/11/01. Never got called up for Desert Storm, Bosnia, Kosovo, etc. I don't recall anybody looking down or adversely commenting on that. Some have said that the main point I was available to go if needed. However to those who did do combat I do give them the utmost thanks for their service. I just am proud of the fact that I did serve and considered it a privilege and honor to do so!

Response by SPC Angel Guma made Feb 7 at 2015 3:10 AM

SPC Angel Guma — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 03:10:43 -0500

Don't let it nag at you soldier. War isn't something you should be falling over yourself to experience at the earliest opportunity, but then, you joined the Army and thats what you do. Remember the source of this trivial bullshit. A civilian- did HE serve? Did he ever...raise his right hand, enlist, swear an oath? If the answer is no, you can throw it right back at him.

And another thing, because you are new, but understand and digest this- the military code (not the code of honor, UCMJ or the soldiers creed, not those...) the unspoken of military code of the US Army has been and always will be "I had it harder than you," or something to that effect, meaning, for even those that have served and deployed, some people think their deployments stand in higher regards to others. You could be a Ranger, then Delta, and some super secret Tom Clancy inspired Army of One killer, and your service record will always be less than Chris Kyle's, Blackhawk Down, or Saving Private Ryan. So what all this means...the very best you can do, and do well, is just serve proudly.

Believe in the Soldiers Creed, don't use your rank to belittle your subordinates, and don't stab your superiors in the back, you will be fine most of the time.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 4:11 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 04:11:42 -0500

You are ok in my book, 3 years of service and no deployments, he that's how the cookie crumbles. If you were a SFC or above with no deployments my view would be different. These days it's hard to get a deployment. Most young soldiers are dying to deploy, it's those 18 year Sr's who spent 18 years trying not to deploy that piss me off.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 4:36 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 04:36:29 -0500

You signed your name on the line.
You raised your right hand and took the oath.
You stood ready for three years to answer the call
You weren't called not your problem.

Simply keep this in mind - What has HE/SHE done??

No veteran would disregard any Service Member Combat Patch/badge/ribbon or not, so simply say "I don't see your DD 214 but that's none of my business" sip your tea and walk away.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 5:01 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 05:01:28 -0500

What is the truth? Have you intentionally avoided being deployed? If you haven't done anything wrong, why do you care what other people think when you yourself know that you are serving your country with honor?

NOW, if it really bothers you that much, you can ask your branch manager for assignment that will guarantee you for a deployment. OR you can talk to your 1SG and arrange to transfer to a unit that will deploy soon.

Response by MSgt Dennis Dudley made Feb 7 at 2015 5:18 AM

MSgt Dennis Dudley — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 05:18:00 -0500

You served where you were needed. The decision to deploy or not wasn't yours. You wore the uniform and were ready to go if told.
Your question to that or any individual is simply, where or when were you in the military?. I am sure the response would be something like"Well, i never served". Now you know who is not the veteran.

Response by PO3 Dave Miller made Feb 7 at 2015 7:38 AM

PO3 Dave Miller — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 07:38:31 -0500

I've had people tell me similar things. Because I was in a peace time Navy. I say to them, " tell that to the families of the 19 sailors that died on my ship while serving in a peace time Navy". Just remember that when you took that oath you were signing a blank check to the US, the very people that are asking you these questions. Payment on that blank check could have included your life. Next time ask them, why didn't they serve? Be proud of your service!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 8:25 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 08:25:15 -0500

Believe it or not, there are people out in theater who will spend an entire one year combat tour doing headcount at the MWR/Gym, or making sure that you washed your hands and didn't come into the DFAC with a soiled uniform (Seen this in Iraq 2005 and Afgh 2010). Doesn't make them any less of a Soldier or a person. However, it often seems that these are the folks with some of the most amazing, "Well there I was" stories.

If you were ready to go, three bags full and just simply didn't get the chance to go, then great. I'm of the opinion that the less people we put out there, the better.

Now, if your card comes up, and you work to get out of it and the next guy ends up getting tapped,... well... i think the rest of the guys on here covered it.

Now, in terms of Civilians... they'll just never understand. If you did deploy, then it becomes "how many people did you kill," or, "when are you going back?" Recently, I even got, "You've been home for a few years now, isn't there still war going on?"

Do your best to educate others and try to break down some of the labeling, sterotypes, and assumptions that society places on us; but do know that at the end of the day, only we can truly understand each other.

Response by SSG Eric Eck made Feb 7 at 2015 8:25 AM

SSG Eric Eck — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 08:25:59 -0500

If you have a DD-214 stating honorable discharge, you are a veteran and I would tell any civilian to get bent if they questioned it.

Response by SFC Carlton Pittman made Feb 7 at 2015 9:53 AM

SFC Carlton Pittman — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 09:53:59 -0500

You were in the Military. You did more than 99% of other Americans.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 10:00 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 10:00:08 -0500

If you volunteered to serve...you are a veteran. Those who question that fact are not worthy of having a conversation with. Just walk away from the moron.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 10:07 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 10:07:55 -0500

High speed you have got to be kidding me that this is bothering you!!! For some fu** stick to question your service to our country that has never served is not a question I would answer. That is like having a religious debate with someone who doesn't believe in a higher power. This person will never know the brother/sister hood that exist with those of us who have worn and still wear the uniform in garrison or deployed. You hold your head high, that is an order!!!

Response by PFC Dominic Pfc made Feb 7 at 2015 10:45 AM

PFC Dominic Pfc — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 10:45:45 -0500

I'm in the same situation. I, unfortunately was injured or Rear D when my unit was deployed. I got to the unit from AIT after the rosters had been set. I volunteered multiple times to join up during the deployment, and each time I didn't get to go. I remember waiting all day near our acting SGM's office waiting for the date to go to RFI to get my gear and find out when I was deploying him for him to tell me they were sending guys from another unit. Then I got hurt, which sucked. All I wanted was to be there for the friends I had made. You don't owe a civilian anything. That civilian owes you for having volunteered. They need to understand that Veteran means you served. Whether or not you served on deployment or in combat is really just how the cards fall. Some guys get deployed a lot, some guys just wind up going an entire career without a deployment. You can tell that guy to sit down on his fat ass, watch fox news, and pretend to be informed about crap that he will never truly understand.

Response by LTC Charles T Dalbec made Feb 7 at 2015 11:02 AM

LTC Charles T Dalbec — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 11:02:56 -0500

SPC Ackerman - you did well and those that did nothing should not throw rocks. No deer in the headlights look - just be proud to say that "YOU SERVED" and he/she did not.

Response by SSG John Dombrowski made Feb 7 at 2015 11:09 AM

SSG John Dombrowski — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 11:09:07 -0500

My wife never deployed when she was in. She was pregnant with our 2nd child when Iraq kicked off. Even with Afghanistan in full swing she was not in danger of deploying from a 3rd shop support unit in Germany. However, she feels bad that she never got a chance to go do her part. I tell her, you did... if we had no troops left stateside or elsewhere then who would defend the homefront from our enemies. If anything, those who stayed back were part of the country's defenses. Don't let it get to to you. Hold your head up and drive on.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 11:31 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 11:31:48 -0500

I read many of the responses. Here is the deal. You were a Soldier. You did what the Army needed you to do, wanted you to do and told you to do. That is what you raised your right hand and swore to do. If that was something here stateside, then that is how you provided that support to those Men and Women downrange. You served. You served with pride and you gave it 100%. How do I know that? Because this bothers you. Stop letting it bother you. That is the issue, not the idiot who does not know what a veteran is.

Response by SSG Leonard Johnson made Feb 7 at 2015 11:33 AM

SSG Leonard Johnson — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 11:33:26 -0500

I just recently retired. I take no BS from civilians. I deployed a few times, and you are still my brotha in arms bro.
Don't listen to these Ftarded civilians. Or anyone in or out for that case. I first came in in 1984, a lot of my leadership wore the combat patch from Vietnam, and other places. they never once treated me like shit for not going to Vietnam. They trained me

Response by Cpl Chris Raybuck made Feb 7 at 2015 1:00 PM

Cpl Chris Raybuck — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 13:00:53 -0500

I Hated the fact that I never Deployed. I volunteered for every open spot on the deployment rooster but was literally one of two Marine in my entire unit that had my MOS, so my command always shot it down. I went on 5 pre deployment work up exercises and was part of the QRF so I got to do some awesome shit but never actual got to deploy. It still gets under my skin to this day. Glad I m not the only one that feels this way.

Response by SPC Thomas Bourland made Feb 7 at 2015 1:29 PM

SPC Thomas Bourland — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 13:29:33 -0500

you served which a good portion of the population has not whether you deployed or not is irrelevant

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 2:11 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 14:11:18 -0500

You put on the uniform, you trained a prepped yourself, peers, and subordinates (if any) for the possibility for combat, and your were discharged (honorably, I assume). There is nothing wrong with it. You signed up and you served. You did your job and were ever ready for the call. You answered. You are a veteran. End of story.

Response by Cpl Jim Tubridy made Feb 7 at 2015 2:27 PM

Cpl Jim Tubridy — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 14:27:00 -0500

Because I had the "misfortune" to serve from '83-'87, I was never in a combat zone either. However, we DID sacrifice our own personal safety on their behalf. When a civilian questions my status in that way, my response has always been, "I owe no explanation to one who never took the oath." One thing that does bug me tho, is that on some job applications, there is no space for me to indicate my veteran status; only spaces for "Viet Nam Era vet", "Combat Vet", "Disabled Vet". So according to some companies, I never served my country.

Response by A1C Brian Sprick made Feb 7 at 2015 2:34 PM

A1C Brian Sprick — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 14:34:39 -0500

Every vet has served in a time of war. Not all of us have gone to the battlefield but we have served in support from home. Without our support and preparation for our brothers and sisters to go foreward, there couldn't be a possibility of wining the war. Did we serve? Yeah. Did we do our job? Damn right we did. Without the troops back at our PCS locations, could there be supplies and warriors getting to the battlefield? Heck no. Be proud of your service. If some piss ant civilian asks how you are a veteran without boots on the battlefield, just reply that the chain from home to the battlefield is long. Sometimes you are on one end or the other. Every link holds it togeather and if one fails to hold togeather, the battlefield gets a little closer to home. Next piss ant to ask if you have been deployed, just ask them if they ever served their nation. If they say "no," why should they give a shit if you went to the battlefield or provided necessary and vital support for it?

Response by SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD made Feb 7 at 2015 3:02 PM

SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 15:02:47 -0500

In all walks of life, one will encounter so called, "Monday Quarterbacks," or those who see themselves, as the answer to everything. I have been asked the same thing on many occasions. My question to a particular individual who asked this moronic question was as follows: "What kind of work do you do?" His response, "Factory worker." I then asked him, what he did, and he indicated that he was the janitor. I pressed forward. "Are you a member of the Union?" He said he was. I asked him why he had joined the union and he said that he was part of the work force at that particular factory. "So, I asked, you are part of this place, and play an important part in this factory?" "Yes, he said, we are all important." I then asked if he was an employee, and he just looked at me and said of course. The last question I asked was whether or not he would consider himself to be a veteran of this work force upon retirement. He said he would because he contributed to this factory. I looked at him very hard, and specifically told him. "Don't ever ask a former soldier that stupid question, ever again, "How can you be a veteran." Simple as that. Blessings.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 3:22 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 15:22:41 -0500

your proximity to the fight is not indicative of your importance. The military works as a team and that team achieves success when everyone does its job at home and abroad.

Response by SPC Cedar Bristol made Feb 7 at 2015 3:37 PM

SPC Cedar Bristol — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 15:37:10 -0500

I got out in 97, was never much good as an infantryman, but didn't completely fail at it all of the time. I could have gone back in any time from 9/11/2001 until I was too old, but I didn't. I think if I thought going back in would make a huge difference I might have. I am 86% comfortable with this decision, and it goes back up to 100% most of the time.

I put in 4 years. I did much better as a Haitian Creole linguist than I did as an infantryman. I did some okay work in the S3 shop when I got in HHC and out of the rifle company.

I'm not comfortable saying "you can't expect those who never served to understand", even though it's true of most of them. If military service was a choice you made because you love the country, I don't see how it makes sense to cut yourself out of the social and political life of the country now that you are back in it.

the 1st priority is get comfortable with your choice to take off the soldier suit. If you can't do that, go to a recruiter and get it back on. Once you are fully comfortable with your own choice, the words can't bother you.

The 2nd is to give serious thought to which people in your life can hear and understand a detailed explanation of what you've done and why. We all need to do this anyway.

Response by MSgt Royal Spellmeyer made Feb 7 at 2015 3:40 PM

MSgt Royal Spellmeyer — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 15:40:11 -0500

I served for 24 years in the AF, 1972-1996. Went TDY to Langley AFB, VA in support of Desert Storm but never deployed to a combat zone during my service, almost went to Vietnam but US involvement was winding down and Paris peace talks were being held. I did spend 15 out of the 24 years overseas, twice to Korea. Have never felt prouder serving this great country. It's a shame veterans seem be judged on current wars, never past ones. My uncle served in the Army Air Forces during WWII but never left Illinois or Texas. He worked on the gliders that flew in support of the Normandy invasion. He was an awesome person and spoke highly of his service. We lost him about 5 yrs ago. Veterans are veterans, nuff said. No excuses required.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 3:56 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 15:56:00 -0500

I ran into that as I was hobbling around with the cane that my VA doc has informed me I will likely be walking with for the rest of my life, practicing walking with it, and guilty noting that it was in fact far easier to walk with the damn thing. I was wearing one of my old moto shirts and some yahoo wandered up and just asked "Dude, are you like, a Marine?" "....yeah" "Did you like get hurt overseas or blown up or something?" "...No." the conversation went down hill from there. It's pretty astounding that civilians ask things like this of veterans, combat and non-combat alike, but I've noticed that civilians ask a lot of ridiculously personal questions to everyone when they notice they're in a group that is alien or "other" to them in some way.

My two cents mate? Just laugh at them and walk the fuck on. They didn't have the balls to even come close to doing what the least of us did, so why pay them any heed?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 3:58 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 15:58:32 -0500

First. You joined the military in September of 2011. There were two wars going on then.
Second. Nearly half of the service never deployed. Of those that did, most of them did not engage in actual combat. Many of them never left the FOB or heard a shot fired.

Don't let people pull the ruler out on you, whether they are civilians or combat veterans. Too often people want to measure who "served harder" whether you deployed or not, are reservist or active, leg or paratrooper, ranger or special forces, etc. Some of us are guilty of that as well. Everyone should be proud of their service and not have to worry about someone saying "sorry, that wasn't good enough."

Response by Sgt Sherry Taylor-Bruce made Feb 7 at 2015 4:01 PM

Sgt Sherry Taylor-Bruce — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 16:01:32 -0500

I've had similar thoughts since my time of service was 1981-1985 there were no deployments then. My squadron supported the F111 fighters and we did a remarkable job. Recently I've started using the VA healthcare system and feel so fortunate to have it. I feel humble when I see the elderly Veterans at the clinic sporting their hats and pins. I also feel honored to be part of their family.

Response by Sgt Cody Dumont made Feb 7 at 2015 4:11 PM

Sgt Cody Dumont — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 16:11:00 -0500

Ask that person when did he/she serve.

Response by SPC Bret Barlow made Feb 7 at 2015 7:16 PM

SPC Bret Barlow — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 19:16:26 -0500

Dude, you were trained and ready for anything. What people don't get is serving is serving fuck them any ways,they did not rase their hand and take a oath you did. Stay proud stay strong!!!!!!!!!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 7:17 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 19:17:15 -0500

Bro it don't matter and this is coming from a guy who has done two. Keep your head up, you stepped up and served while the people who try to judge were to scared.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 7:54 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 19:54:02 -0500

Simple. You serve every day by doing your job to sharpen your skills incase you are called to go and protect what they take for granted. You are only one of 1% of the people who have taken the challenge to serve your country and take the sacrifice of the time away from home and have to work the hard hours needed to do what so many others do not wish to do. I have been in the Army for over 28 years and I tell you I did not see combat until 2003 so what do we say about all those years prior to 9-11. I served honorably and was considered a veteran. You become a veteran once you become a member of the armed forces. there are different levels of veteran. the only difference between you and me is I am a veteran of a Foreign War. There are those that have been deployed to combat and have never even heard a weapon fired at them and then others like me who have been in several combat situations and still other who have been in very bad combat situations and very often, so understand it all starts with the decision to put that uniform on and that is one of the biggest decisions a person can make and one that take much courage. So be proud of that uniform and educate those who question you. You are a veteran and a member of a very small family. 1% of all people in American has ever worn the uniform of our Armed Forces.

Response by PO3 Dan Corey made Feb 7 at 2015 7:58 PM

PO3 Dan Corey — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 19:58:41 -0500

One of, if not the greatest feats of mankind, was sending a manmade vehicle hurling through a space to an unknown enviroment, and landing on the surface of the moon. Now, do you think that only the astronauts were able to pull this off? EVERYTHING that made this possible was done by the men and women who didn't receive the "Glory" of the world, but nonetheless were vital to the success of the mission. Your service is just as honorable as the deployed troops! Don't EVER forget that! And, thank you for fulfilling your duty for all of us!

Response by TSgt David Holman made Feb 7 at 2015 8:12 PM

TSgt David Holman — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 20:12:34 -0500

It is kind of a strange situation. A lot of people who have never been involved with the military (even some who are involved) don't understand that there are jobs that just don't deploy. It doesn't mean that they didn't serve, and it doesn't mean that they aren't a vet, it just means they had a job that was more important here. I don't know how to tell you to respond to them, but I would just brush it off, and press on.

Deploy or not, everyone who serves sacrifices in their own ways.

Response by PO2 Jim Gentile made Feb 7 at 2015 8:32 PM

PO2 Jim Gentile — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 20:32:52 -0500

Don't know your billet in the service but everybody has a place just because you weren't deployed doesn't mean you weren't serving your country.
Doing the job !

Response by SGT Daniel Grimm made Feb 7 at 2015 9:06 PM

SGT Daniel Grimm — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 21:06:40 -0500

There was no draft that I remember recently, you enlisted and took the oath like everyone did weather you deployed or not.

Response by SGT Curtis Nazelrod made Feb 7 at 2015 11:10 PM

SGT Curtis Nazelrod — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 23:10:11 -0500

Tell that civilian what Will Rogers Said..."We All Cant Be Hero's...Someone has to Stand On the curb and clap!" You took the Oath...You Served Your Country ... YOU ARE A VETERAN!
Thank You For Your Service Brother!

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2015 1:14 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 01:14:49 -0500

I see a lot of senior enlisted personnel that have never deployed before. I'm currently on my 3rd [1st soft] tour. Just two weeks ago, I was in a class, where at least one of my instructors was an E-7 with 18 years service (granted they were guard/reservists), that had never once been overseas. It's not necessarily the fault of that particular Soldier that they've never been over. Their command was just never called forward.

No, in my opinion you cannot call yourself a "veteran" if you have not served in a combat environment. After all, that is what the word "veteran" is meant to describe. I get a questions from time to time about my service. "How do you protect my freedom?" "How can you kill babies?" "What makes you think your job is so hard or special?" Sometimes I get questioned by people that have never even served. So, that right there pretty much disqualifies them from even asking me most of the questions they do.

Everyone has their part in this chess match. Not everyone goes overseas. Not everyone sees action. Just ask them if they've ever served. Most of the questions I get asked are what it's like "over there." If they have to ask me that question, I tell them they wouldn't understand.

Only you reserve the right to yourself.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2015 1:49 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 01:49:36 -0500

It all depends. Are you doing your job well and honorably but haven't been in a deployed unit? Or are you actively doing deployment? Do your job honorably and don't hide from the hard work. That's all anyone can ask.

Response by 1LT David Moeglein made Feb 8 at 2015 2:11 AM

1LT David Moeglein — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 02:11:03 -0500

I remember an event associated with my wedding 8 years ago that I was paying for. I made a comment to my brother about my having had the willingness to put my life on the line for my country while I was in the army. We were standing in line at a restaurant along with 30 other people in our party. He retorted that I didn't join the military to put my life on the line, and that I only did it for the college money. He was busy touting his own personal success. I was infuriated, and seethed quietly for a time. When we got to the cashier, I handed him the check and told him that the wrong person was paying. He paid the bill for all 30 in the party. He hasn't bothered me about my service since.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Feb 8 at 2015 2:18 AM

SFC Mark Merino — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 02:18:36 -0500

We hold you in MUCH higher esteem than this guy.

Response by SGT Steven Shumaker made Feb 8 at 2015 2:51 AM

SGT Steven Shumaker — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 02:51:19 -0500

I have to admit, there was a while that I would have thought less of someone who completed an enlistment without deploying. I suppose that with the wars over now that someone could actually not have the chance. If someone served between 2003-2013 and didn't deploy, I would wonder what it was that they were actually doing. There were plenty of people who worked very hard to avoid deployments while others deployed several times. If you just were in the wrong place at the wrong time, or had the type of job that didn't deploy, well then there will be combat veterans who may think less of you. Civilians have no real right to think less of someone who served but didn't deploy, however, you need to be willing to serve at least, before questioning those who did.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2015 3:23 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 03:23:27 -0500

Response by SSgt Christopher "TEX" F. made Feb 8 at 2015 3:27 AM

SSgt Christopher "TEX" F. — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 03:27:31 -0500

Haters are gonna hate! Idiots are gonna be stupid! Don't swrat the small stuff! You know you're a veteran, we know you're a veteran and anyone with half a brain knows you're a veteran! I know it pisses you off, but don't let it bother you. Peace, brother veteran!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2015 4:50 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 04:50:01 -0500

When the call came to stand up, you stood up. People like him stayed sitting.

You showed readiness to act, if your name would be called. That's all that mattered, as far as I'm concerned.

You have validated your bravery, and thereby, your honor.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2015 5:58 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 05:58:37 -0500

There were so many responses to this post I almost couldn't make it to the bottom, but let me tell you something, regardless of what a civilian may think you are one of us end of sentence no questions asked. Like so many before me said you raised your hand you took the oath, we are 1% of the US willing and able to defend the other 99% who wont even walk into a recruiters office let alone raise their hand and put their life on the line, Keep that head up brother

Response by SSG John M. made Feb 8 at 2015 7:43 AM

SSG John M. — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 07:43:39 -0500

The Luck of the draw, I was in the Guard when they went into Grenada, I was in BNOC when guys in my class graduated on one day jumped into Panama the next (I was on Christmas break from school) I was in TRADOC (Air Assault Instructor) during Desert Shield, I had orders to 2nd ACR when the First Sgt took em back for stop loss...2nd ACR then went to Baghdad. I was in Korea, and the next thing you know Black Hawk Down I was in the 82nd in 94 Oh boy We're Jumping into Haiti, Nope they pussied out and surrendered Spent 30 days on a Haitian Vacation Got out in 98 3 years later World Trade Center..So it's the Luck of the draw. Deploying sucks it hot and boring most of the time then you are terrified for short bursts

Response by MAJ(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2015 8:13 AM

MAJ(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 08:13:56 -0500

You have to believe in your heart that you truly did your part. If you served with honor, you did everything the military asked if you. There's nothing more you could have done.

Next time, just remind whomever that their are Service Members serving in multiple countries around the world and in every U.S. State. Just because you didn't deploy, does not mean you didn't help train and support those who did.

Everyone's job is important and we should personally work daily that way and perceive others in the same manner.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2015 8:26 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 08:26:45 -0500

SPC Private RallyPoint Member Your discharge was honorable correct? Then you are a veteran, plain and simple. There are 10s of thousands of veterans out there who never deployed, but they still served their country well. The time between conflicts is as critical, if not more, than the conflict itself. We have to keep the traditions, the doctrine, the training going while we are not deployed. Those who serve those periods do that mission. Deploying is easy, garrison is the hard part.

You served your country, I wouldn't think twice about what those who question your service say, especially since I would guess majority of them have never served at all!

Response by SSG Keith Phillips made Feb 8 at 2015 8:52 AM

SSG Keith Phillips — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 08:52:12 -0500

When you raised your hand and promised to defend this country against all enemies foreign and domestic. You wrote the U.S. government a blank check up to and including your life. The Military places you where you are needed at the time. I am sure you served your country honorably or this would not even be an issue. So although you were not deployed you have the right to claim veteran status you are just as much a veteran has. Anyone else. My saying is once a soldier always a soldier claim it proudly as I do, you earned it

Response by SFC Bradley Harn made Feb 8 at 2015 9:07 AM

SFC Bradley Harn — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 09:07:17 -0500

You enlisted, many civilians including our President have not. You made it through basic and ait, some do not. You served your country defending it for the entire term of your enlistment, again, some do not. You performed your military duties and the Army sent you where it needed you. It did not choose to send you there. Do not let some non serving asshole belittle your service. While in the service you probably went on sick call for minor injuries sustained while in uniform; knees, ankles and back are common injuries in our physically demanding military. You gave blood and sweat defending our country and were separated from your family at times. Civilians who frequently go home every night to their families have no concept of what you gave for them. Sleep well knowing you did something that they did not have the guts to even try to do. Thank you for your service.

Response by PO1 Michael North made Feb 8 at 2015 10:01 AM

PO1 Michael North — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 10:01:19 -0500

I would have to lay it out at face value and tell them they had no right question my valor.

Response by SPC Kevin Landis made Feb 8 at 2015 12:00 PM

SPC Kevin Landis — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:00:29 -0500

Tell that pussy you did every job asked of you by your country, so yes you are a veteran. You never have to take shit from anyone who didn't serve, they are unworthy pussies. If someone who did serve is giving you anything other than good natured ribbing, they are an asshole and not worth your concern.

Response by AN Tim Luce made Feb 8 at 2015 12:05 PM

AN Tim Luce — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:05:16 -0500

Any person who joins the military, and swears to defend this great country against all enemies, foreign and domestic is a veteran. I recently had the same question come up from my sister. Yes i was not deployed to combat, but my willingness to do so is what makes me a veteran in my eyes. My thought to you, and all veterans who struggle with this question and issue, you joined the military because you wanted to defend our way of life. In doing so you gave a larger part of yourself that some people can never understand. You like so many before you stated in some way shape and form that if it was asked of you, you would be willing to deploy, fight, and die if nessecary for everyone else's freedom. Never feel discouraged or ashamed of that fact. From one veteran to another...thank you for serving brother. May your life always be filled with loving family and honor.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2015 12:11 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 12:11:41 -0500

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Feb 8 at 2015 1:11 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 13:11:36 -0500

I have deployed twice as a 92A, an automated logistical specialist and once as an MP. I had a fellow MP tell me my first two deployments don't count because I was wasn't an MP. In the OPs case most of the folks that might judge him for the lack of deployments probably sat behind a desk most of the time and enjoyed movies, PX, and warm showers twice a day. I have no problem with an SM with zero deployments.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2015 2:19 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 14:19:04 -0500

This is a difficult question...because so many people and troops place so much emphasis on combat experience. The military is one huge team, you are one cog on the wheel. Not everyone sees combat. Hell, the last time I've seen any was over a decade ago. So if people say something demeaning, you can add something like, "We support our infantry troops", I am a necessary tool to make the machine work.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2015 2:23 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 14:23:44 -0500

The wheels on the war machine go round and round and I am just a spoke.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2015 3:10 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 15:10:56 -0500

Tell them that there are more ways to serve your country than putting boots to the ground in the Middle East, and that there are plenty of jobs on the home front that need to be taken care of in order to make sure those on the front lines are able to protect and serve efficiently.

Then, calmly encourage him to pick up a gun and do it himself if he feels so inclined to open his mouth with something so blatantly disrespectful, remind him that you actually volunteered to do something more productive with your life than be a loudmouth ass towards the people who protect your right to be a loudmouth ass, and invite him to go sit in the corner and think about why it might be important to stay in his lane.

Response by SPC Andy Rowe made Feb 8 at 2015 3:30 PM

SPC Andy Rowe — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 15:30:35 -0500

You are a veteran, not because of what you did do, but what you were willing to do. I did a tour in Afghanistan in 2003, I spent my share outside the wire, because that was where my job sent me. Yours did not, but you stood and raised your hand to do the same if your name was called.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2015 5:30 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 17:30:26 -0500

Someone please correct me if I am wrong but there is a a regulation somewhere that's states a veterans is anyone who has served 90 days of continuous service so almost everyone who completes basic training and AIT is a veteran

Response by PFC Patrick Hughes made Feb 8 at 2015 5:57 PM

PFC Patrick Hughes — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 17:57:10 -0500

Why even waste time talking to the moron?

Response by SSgt Thomas A Tullis Jr made Feb 8 at 2015 7:13 PM

SSgt Thomas A Tullis Jr — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 19:13:31 -0500

Ask the A-hole questioning your veteran status why didn't they volunteer for service. After asking this remind the A-hole that your service to country doesn't end upon discharge.

Response by LTC Cliff Hoppman made Feb 8 at 2015 8:56 PM

LTC Cliff Hoppman — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 20:56:48 -0500

Hey brother, you raised your hand and served where Uncle Sam sent you when he sent you. Ask them, "and when did you serve?". If they didn't serve, they have no right to question your service. If they did serve, they should understand that in a 3 year tour...the cards just might not fall that way. Be proud of your service to the Nation!

Response by COL Charles Williams made Feb 8 at 2015 8:57 PM

COL Charles Williams — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 20:57:11 -0500

If you volunteered to serve, and never deployed through no doing of your own, then fear not.
The only thing have issue with is service members who actively avoid deployments, which creates a larger load for the rest of us. But, it sounds like from your post, you are referring to how do explain this to others, which means you were not an avoider.

How many Americans volunteering to serve? If you believe the current statistics .45%. Service is about doing your best wherever you are planted. Be proud of your service, and understand that throughout history many many many Americans served in the military and never went to war. Even in a time of war, you still volunteered. How many of us old Soldiers could say... we would have volunteered in a time a war. Service is service, and thank you for yours.

My father in law served after the Korean war, as did many, and there are periods were veterans don't get VA benefits.

Response by SFC William Farrell made Feb 8 at 2015 9:23 PM

SFC William Farrell — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 21:23:26 -0500

Well you could do what I did which was to reenlist to go to a combat zone. I was 17, getting ready to turn 18 and in Korea in 1970. The Vietnam War was starting to wind down and the only way i was going to get in on it was to reenlist which is what I did with country of choice, Vietnam. I knew my twin brother was heading there as he screwed up once too often and I was not about to let him have all the glory! If he went, I went and if I went, he went! The recruiter thought I was out of my mind as he held on to the paperwork for weeks, even with me hounding him every day! I got to Nam shortly after my 18th birthday. We saw each other briefly until he went out to the field with A Co, 1/327th Infantry. Fortunately he had a severe asthma attack running up and down the Ashau Valley and was medevacced out of country as his platoon was shot down in a Shithook shortly afterwards, resulting in the second worst air disaster of the Vietnam War.

Your service is valuable in spite of what that uninformed idiot thinks. He is so clueless he does not know what a veteran is. Be proud of your service as you are a veteran whether you served stateside, overseas or in a combat zone. And thank you for your service!

Response by LTC Cliff Hoppman made Feb 8 at 2015 9:28 PM

LTC Cliff Hoppman — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 21:28:12 -0500

Hey brother, you raised your hand and volunteered when 99% did not. You went where Uncle Sam sent you, when he sent you. I would ask the person, "when did you serve?" If they did not...then they have not walked a mile in your boots. If they did serve, they should understand that in a 3 year tour, your turn just did not come up. Assuming you served honorably, be proud of your service and don't worry about their (uninformed) opinion.

Response by SSG Robert Beddard made Feb 8 at 2015 9:32 PM

SSG Robert Beddard — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 21:32:27 -0500

If you have a valid DD 214 you are a veteran. You either earned an honorable or dis-honorable/general discharge. Those who have served should honored. There will always be those who think they are better than another. God will be our judge in the end.
LOG Daddy2005

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2015 9:34 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 21:34:55 -0500

I'm not gonna lie, I feel like I'm not carrying my fair share as active duty navy I want to be out fighting like so many others do only then do I feel like I will have earned it

Response by Cpl Sabrina L. made Feb 8 at 2015 11:55 PM

Cpl Sabrina L. — Sun, 08 Feb 2015 23:55:11 -0500

NEXT TIME KINDLY TELL THE PERSON THAT ASKS THAT....THAT SERVING ONE'S COUNTRY IN WAR OR IN PEACE IS THE SAME.... WHERE WE GO AND WHERE WE ARE SENT IS NOT OUR CHOICE, WE GO WHERE WE ARE ORDERED. HOWEVER, A PERSON ONLY SERVING 3 YEARS AND NEVER DEPLOYING OUT OF CONUS, WHEN THEY HEAR ABOUT SERVICE MEMBERS WHO ARE ON THER 6TH OR MORE TOUR, BOOTS ON GROUND OR ON SHIPS...

THREE YEARS OF SERVICE GIVEN OUR COUNTRY HAS BEEN AT WAR SINCE 2001, DOES SEEM TO BE VERY ONE SIDED IN THE PERSPECTIVE OF SERVICE... JUST SAYING... AGAIN IT GOES BACK TO "JOBS, ORDERS, ASSIGNMENTS, AND OF COURSE ASKING TO GO HAZE GRAY AND UNDERWAY OR MORE "FORWARD" IF POSSIBLE"

I ALWAYS ASKED FOR OVERSEAS OR HAZE GRAY AND UNDERWAY ON THE NEXT THING STEAMING... BUT I JOINED FOR "SERVICE"... I MET SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS/CONNECTIONS WHILE BEING DEPLOYED... THERE IS A BOND BEYOND SHOWER SHOES AND YELLOW FOOTPRINTS...

IN THE END...SERVING MAKES ONE A VETERAN, HONORABLE SERVICE MAKES ONE A VETERAN... AND IF SOMEONE ASKS WHO NEVER SERVED....(ASK THEM IF THEY DID) THEN ASK THEM WHY THEY NEVER SERVED? THEY CLEARLY AREN'T A VETERAN IF THEY HAVE TO ASK~

Response by SPC Arlan Elmo Makley made Feb 9 at 2015 12:29 AM

SPC Arlan Elmo Makley — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 00:29:35 -0500

He is asking if you're a veteran? Well the bigger question is that did he serve in the armed forces to protect the country?

Response by PVT Stephen Mckee made Feb 9 at 2015 1:06 AM

PVT Stephen Mckee — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 01:06:03 -0500

I served my country proudly from79 to 81 and was ready for everything and anything I love my country and I was proud to serve my country The only thing going at the time I was in was the Iran hostage ordeal but if we had been asked to go I would have been first in line!!!!!!!

Response by COL Jon Thompson made Feb 9 at 2015 8:25 AM

COL Jon Thompson — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:25:28 -0500

You are a veteran regardless if you deployed or not. Civilians do not understand the military and think that everyone has deployed. Unless they served themselves, then they have no basis to judge you.

Response by SPC William Zeliff made Feb 9 at 2015 8:28 AM

SPC William Zeliff — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:28:46 -0500

It's simple but complicated! You have to explain that you enlisted in the military and served your country in the capacity asked. You went were you were told to go and did what you were ordered. You served your country. That makes you a veteran. Hope it helps. Thankyou for your service!! You're a VETERAN!

Response by TSgt Laura Barlow made Feb 9 at 2015 8:53 AM

TSgt Laura Barlow — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:53:49 -0500

I just retired from the air force after serving 26 and a half years-both active and reserves. I never been deployed either yet the closest I've been to the war was at Port Mortuary at Dover AFB. Remember, unlike this civilian who questioned your status quo of being a veteran, yes you are. You signed on that dotted line willing to give your life if necessary. Okay, you never deployed yet you are just as important as everyone else because we are all different role players working together to get the mission accomplished. Unlike that civilian, you DID SERVE. Never let him/her take that away from you.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 9:32 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 09:32:21 -0500

I personally would have punched him in the mout and asked how HE has served the country. BUT........the honorable way to deal with him is to say "combat isn't the only criteria to become a vet." Millions served during the Cold War and never saw combat. We serve just by being ready to lay down our lives for ignorant people like him

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 11:15 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 11:15:45 -0500

noun
1.
a person who has had long service or experience in an occupation, office, or the like:
"a veteran of the police force; a veteran of many sports competitions."

2.
a person who has served in a military force, especially one who has fought in a war:
"a Vietnam veteran."
adjective
3.
(of soldiers) having had service or experience in warfare:
"veteran troops."

4.
experienced through long service or practice; having served for a long period:
"a veteran member of Congress."

5.
of, relating to, or characteristic of veterans.

If you fall under these definitions than you would be a veteran.

Response by Cpl Thomas Mcdonough made Feb 9 at 2015 11:58 AM

Cpl Thomas Mcdonough — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 11:58:04 -0500

THOSE WHO STAND AND WAIT ALSO SERVE!!! YOU WROTE THE CHECK AND UNCLE SAM CHOOSES WHEN HE WANTS TO CASH IT, SO BE PROUD BRO YOU PUT UP WERE MANY JUST LAY BACK AND ENJOY THE FRUITS OF YOUR LABORS

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 12:14 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 12:14:59 -0500

That's a hard one to answer, especially after the length of the wars. I didn't deploy, per se, while on active duty (spent a year in Korea, I don't know if that counts, but it was enough to get in the VFW). It took me joining the National Guard to get sent over to Kuwait where we did convoy security in Iraq during the drawdown (Camp Beuhring, KU, then head north all over Iraq). My Army Reserve recruiter, an E-7, doesn't have a SSI FWTS and he's been in for 20+ years. It is what it is.

Response by MSgt Dave Burke made Feb 9 at 2015 12:15 PM

MSgt Dave Burke — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 12:15:33 -0500

DON'T SWEAT IT! The world is full of idiots and buttholes as is proven by who is in the White House today! Anyone who disses you for not being deployed is simply stupid and not worth your time or worry! I have run into such fools myself because in my 20+ years in the USAF I was never (Thank God) in a direct fire war zone. You have done your duty and have every right to be just a proud as one who has done several combat tours. The best answer to some fool like that is just a handshake and a smile and walk away. Or just walk away. Odds are the person trying to ut you down has never worn any military uniform.

Response by SSG Ted R. made Feb 9 at 2015 12:19 PM

SSG Ted R. — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 12:19:10 -0500

Just for your info...only 1 in 6 saw combat in WW2. Civilians have no clue of military life and what it means to serve our country. They are spoiled cry babies that do not understand the freedoms America has because a America raised his or her hand and said I will go!!

Response by MSG Scott McBride made Feb 9 at 2015 12:21 PM

MSG Scott McBride — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 12:21:20 -0500

You served you are therefore a veteran. Thank you for your service. Don't worry about those ignorant comments.

Response by FN Robert Smith made Feb 9 at 2015 12:24 PM

FN Robert Smith — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 12:24:13 -0500

I know how you feel, I was in the Navy and never went through the Shellback initiation , I am a Wog. There are things we missed out on, so what we did our jobs we served our country. You are a Hero and a Veteran, not very many can say that. Don't let it bother you , be proud.

Response by LtCol David Gran made Feb 9 at 2015 12:26 PM

LtCol David Gran — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 12:26:34 -0500

Although our National Security Strategy (or lack of) has been taking a beating lately... The U.S. Military is operating or engaging all over the globe 24/7. Not every service member can be everywhere. We have people in missile silos, on ships, at remote radar sites, in embassies, engaging potential new allies... Respect yourself for volunteering your time in service to your country. Instead of focusing on what you did not do, focus on what you did do.

Response by SGT Dan Weggel made Feb 9 at 2015 12:27 PM

SGT Dan Weggel — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 12:27:58 -0500

I spent 13 years in the Army 10 active 84 to 94 I was in during several deployments but like your self never deployed though this want from a lack of trying. They weren't looking for my MOS during desert storm. I'm lucky to live in an area that has a lot of vets and NEVER have they said your not a vet as a matter of fact just the opposite happens I've been invited to be a member of the VFW though I personally don't feel right about it so have decided no to.
My advice is simple you were in not your fault you didn't deploy you did your time screw what others think it's how you perceive yourself brother.

Response by PO3 Julie Allen made Feb 9 at 2015 12:49 PM

PO3 Julie Allen — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 12:49:58 -0500

Well gee I only served during the Cold War. It wasn't a "real war". Yeah right I only served to save your civvy butt and you're way of life FROM A NUCLEAR WAR.
We all served our country don't let anyone take you away from your military PRIDE.

Response by MSG Elgin Sanders made Feb 9 at 2015 1:00 PM

MSG Elgin Sanders — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:00:37 -0500

SPC Ackerman, You are part of a small group of Americans, less than 1% who decided to volunteer and serve our country. Several others stated we do not always have a choice where we are assigned. The military places members where they are needed at that time. You should not feel guilty for not deploying. You performed your duties to the best of your abilities wherever you were stationed in doing so you scarficed everything to protect the freedoms of all Americans. I am proud to have served with all of my brothers and sisters and that includes you.

Response by SPC David Smith made Feb 9 at 2015 1:02 PM

SPC David Smith — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:02:47 -0500

A veteran is someone who has the balls to serve his/her country regardless if they deploy or not tell that to the next jack off who says something stupid like that again.

Response by CPT John Meehan made Feb 9 at 2015 1:08 PM

CPT John Meehan — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:08:49 -0500

Try not to let it get to you. I was a Cold Warrior. I proudly served in Korea and flew helicopters and was part of the big green deterent.

Tell that clueless person "at least I'm on the team, you didnt even make tryouts!"

And dont worry. This is a 30 year war. Stay in long enuf, and you'll get your chance.

Response by CWO3 Bryan Luciani made Feb 9 at 2015 1:11 PM

CWO3 Bryan Luciani — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:11:03 -0500

What you don't do is what Brian Williams did. Your service alone is honorable and you have no reason to justify it to anyone. Some people (like Williams) feel the need to validate themselves by stealing other's valor. I deployed seven times and see all veterans as my brothers and sisters. They all had the guts to go through bootcamp and sign that paper that said "I will put my life on the line for my country". Head up high brother. Leave true judgement to God.

Response by SGT Micah Wilson made Feb 9 at 2015 1:16 PM

SGT Micah Wilson — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:16:49 -0500

As it has already been mentioned a veteran is anyone who has completed their initial assignment for which they volunteered to serve. I'd also like to point out that although you may not feel like you have done much in the service, depending which MOS you held you could have been actively supporting service members overseas so let no one devalue your service to your country.

Response by SrA Robert Mollenkopf made Feb 9 at 2015 1:24 PM

SrA Robert Mollenkopf — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:24:05 -0500

I guess the key here is what YOU believe. To me, you are a Veteran and a Brother-in-Arms. As an old Air Force C-130 Crew Chief, many question the value behind what I did, both military personnel and civilian (maintenance, "in the rear with the gear"). My head is held high and I know my place and value in the big picture.
I was able to truly understand my place in the big picture when I deployed to Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm. To actually know the importance of my job, entirely changed the way I looked at non-combat roles in the military. The aircraft I was tasked with maintaining were being used as medivac aircraft to pickup wounded soldiers and to take them to medical facilities as far away as Turkey. Nothing could have made me work harder or with more pride, knowing the planes I worked on were being used to save the lives of soldiers who were injured in the fighting more than 600 miles from where I was.
I don't say this to pat myself on the back. I say this as a way to see how the guys in the rear can have such an impact on so many. All the way from the guy that gave me the screws and bolts so that I could fix those planes, to the guys feeding us all......
We could not have done it without you!

Response by SGT Matt Schlagenhauf made Feb 9 at 2015 1:31 PM

SGT Matt Schlagenhauf — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:31:46 -0500

Ask them the same. If they served? If they deployed? If they have an ounce of understanding that there are thousands who just as you did not deploy. Not because you nor they were afraid or scared to serve your country but because your number was not called. That is no fault or lack of fault on your part. The fact remains. You are a Veteran, you raised your hand endeared what millions have not. You did it out of Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity and Personal courage. Something that individual has no inclination of. There are men and women who served honorably and lost their lives 1 day into combat and then there are senior enlisted and General grade officers whom served over 30 years and retired; never to see, even a single minute of a Combat Deployment whom are and will forever be a Veteran. Those who attempt to discredit your Veteran Status, have no status of their own. As my Marine Corps Vietnam Veteran told me when I joined the National Guard 16 years ago (I spent 7 years activated after 9/11 between 2 deployments, schools and more homeland security time than you can shake a stick at), "it doesn't matter if you are pulling a trigger or digging a shitter, every single job is important.

Thank you for your service to our country brother

Matt Schlagenhauf (SGT)
Disabled Combat Veteran; OIF & OEF CCA

Response by PFC James Springer made Feb 9 at 2015 1:41 PM

PFC James Springer — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:41:40 -0500

SPC, A. Ackerman
You had a job to do, you did it. when your in the military you do what they tell you when they tell you. I served 1970/ 1973.the same applied to me as it did to you.

Response by SPC Robin Price-Dirks made Feb 9 at 2015 1:44 PM

SPC Robin Price-Dirks — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:44:12 -0500

I get the same thing all the time. Just because I never deployed doesn't mean that my service was any less than my brothers and sisters in service. I did deal with a rising tide of anti- Americanism due to terrorist activity from Bader- Meinhof and other organizations as well as local resentment. No I never faced anyone down with my rifle, but I was prepared, and trained to. General Haig was bombed while I was serving in the European theater. I was denied entrance into the VFW because I didn't serve in Korea or Afghanistan. I think the key here is we served voluntarily to stand in place in case of war, just because it didn't happen while we served is in no way a negative reflection on us. If we hadn't been there what could have happened? If our military all went home when we were not at war/conflict would we be safe? I have been dissed by other soldiers because I wasn't a "real" soldier, I wasn't there during a declared conflict. We held a position undesired by most, un-thanked, overlooked. We served during the most difficult time....Peace. Peace is never peaceful as we all know, it is just boring and we face dangers the civilian population will never know. We had rifles blow up in our faces, grenades thrown the wrong way, blanks fired that were live rounds, tanks that flipped or sank, equipment malfunctions that made us hit the floor, chemicals sprayed on us that caused burns, days without sleep, etc. Be proud, that civilian has no idea what you have done. Thank God they never will because you took that place and protected them. Real soldiers do the dirty jobs that no one else will do, and we do it with pride. We came when no one called to defend our country and its people. Does that help?

Response by Lt Col Marlon Ruiz made Feb 9 at 2015 1:52 PM

Lt Col Marlon Ruiz — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 13:52:55 -0500

Alexander,

Although it is true that today's military service includes a much higher level of deployment, such was not the case 10 to 20 years ago. Regardless of one's deployment experience in the military, such experiences in-and-of themselves do not and should not determine individual service commitment to our nation. Many miss the key point - which is in today's "all volunteer" military service all who decide to enter the military do so of one's own free will, as opposed to the Vietnam era where the draft existed and involuntary service was generally the norm. Because one chooses to voluntarily join the military and particularly during such times of increased global hostilities and increased chances of having to be placed in harms way does not diminish one's service commitment nor value. In fact such ersonal commitment to join the military ranks entitles all those who join to be acknowledged as a fellow veteran. If you really think about it, becoming a combat veteran results from the national decision to resort to conflict to resolve unsuccessful attempts at resolving our foreign policy issues throughout the word. That said, fellow service men and women are only instruments of foreign policy obeying those lawful orders that require us all to deploy and perhaps engage in battle. Don't ever feel you are less of a contributor as a service member just because you were not called upon to deploy. The bigger concern would be if one were ordered to deploy and one refuses to do so when our country asked one to. Hence, you are a valued veteran, willing to join the military knowing that that call is more likely today than it has ever been in the past. Regardless f the type or tour of duty served the factvs that you remained undeterred in your commitment to still join. You should always be commended for that decision and I (for one as a retired combat veteran) thank you for your service and commitment to serve your country.

Response by CW3 Mike Kaminski made Feb 9 at 2015 2:01 PM

CW3 Mike Kaminski — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:01:54 -0500

No worries man. Consider the source, then just shake your head and walk away. There are many who have not deployed in this war on terror since 2001. I entered service back in 1976. did 20+ years and never fired a shot in anger. Stationed in Europe 3 times, I was a Cold War Warrior. No deployments for us. We were simply guardians of freedom. Those who have deployed certainly could not have done it without the support of people back here to help them. Stand tall, hold your head high and be proud. Because you are something that civilian is not and never was. A volunteer in your country's military.

Response by SN Curtis Rowland made Feb 9 at 2015 2:04 PM

SN Curtis Rowland — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:04:04 -0500

Did you raise your hand and get sworn in? Did you serve?

Now the question is, are you a Veteran? From what I have seen, if you served so many active duty days or served during time of war you are a veteran. My record shows 8 years but I never served the amount of days needed to be considered a Vet. (Government doing the paperwork)

You can serve stateside and still be a Vet.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 2:16 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:16:53 -0500

If you honorably completed your agreed upon term of service, then the value of your service should not be in question by anyone. Whether you deployed or not, you volunteered to serve your country and fellow Americans which much more than most can say. Take pride in your service. You are a veteran regardless of anyone else's opinion.

Response by PO1 Donald Hammond made Feb 9 at 2015 2:19 PM

PO1 Donald Hammond — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:19:04 -0500

I'm sitting here contemplating this because when I became part of the staff here, an E-2 showed up. In the Navy. He spent 3 years up here. Somehow made E5 in that time. Then got out of the Navy. Never even thought about going to sea. Was he really a sailor?

Yes, he was. Did he earn my respect as a sailor? No. But it isn't his fault really. He was given the opportunity to get an education and job experience and never leave the comfort of home really.

Yes, you are a veteran. Would you have deployed if that came along? Sure you would have. How does that go with the above story? One was a person who COULD have gone to sea if he wanted to, the other is you sound like you just never got the call to go but were willing to.

Of course I wonder about all the people in the Navy who somehow go their entire career and retire never setting foot on a sea going vessel.

Response by PO2 Lee De Stael made Feb 9 at 2015 2:22 PM

PO2 Lee De Stael — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:22:33 -0500

You served your country. Talk with someone who has deployed and you will find out that would have rather not deployed. We serve our country where we are told. I am pretty sure if you had been called upon you would have gone. You did your time. It seems the person asking needs a little education on what a veteran is. Keep your up and be proud of your service.

Response by TSgt Patrick Wiseman made Feb 9 at 2015 2:25 PM

TSgt Patrick Wiseman — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:25:30 -0500

It's not that I can and others can't, it's that I did and others didn't. Go to teespring to purchase.

This phrase says it all, veterans are behind you, your brothers and sisters in arms are behind you. Civilians that are not behind you......Suck IT.

I try to remember this picture everyday. It makes me put everything into perspective

Response by SPC Bob Tolford made Feb 9 at 2015 2:29 PM

SPC Bob Tolford — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:29:28 -0500

I volunteered right after Vietnam in 1975. I never saw action. I served in the Panama Canal Zone and later with the 4th Inf at Ft. Carson. You volunteered knowing full well you could be in a war zone, unlike myself who joined during a raging peacetime.

Response by SGT Marika Waiters made Feb 9 at 2015 2:30 PM

SGT Marika Waiters — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:30:25 -0500

Ooooh... Yeeeeeaah.... Thanks for this post! It opens up discussion! I've seen quite a bit of open hostility in online groups, where vets who have never deployed are being targeted by vets who have. So this is not just something just civilians don't understand. I was raised that every single person in the military had an integral part in keeping the ball rolling. Without one, the other can't function. I, personally, can't understand why other vets then downplay or out right negate the service of others. Civilians need to be educated. That's a horse of a different color. My advice to the writer is to never allow an ignorant civilian to deplete your military experience! As a matter of fact, don't allow anyone to do that. This post, however, made me think of something that will SURELY stir the pot & light it on fire: imagine how every female feels. I've been ignored, verbally assaulted for wearing/displaying vet gear, told (by physicians even) that I couldn't possibly have PTSD, and have even had my service downright questioned. Why? Because women can't be vets, we apparently only sit at desks looking pretty & bringing coffee to the real men. So to the writer of this post, as you reassess your feelings & hopefully get past your doubts, remember how you initially felt so that you may appreciate how female vets feel every day.

Response by SFC William Dinwiddie made Feb 9 at 2015 2:44 PM

SFC William Dinwiddie — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:44:21 -0500

I served on active duty from 1978 to 1988 and in the army reserves from 1988 to 1998 I saw no combat service either all peacetime as an Infantryman and an indirect fire infantryman. I had a guy at work who had never served at all tell me I was not a real veteran. I ask him did he serve he said no and I asked him what qualified him to make the statement I was not a real veteran. he tried saying because I had no combat service. I asked him the same question again. he could not answer me. I told him since he had never served or volunteered to serve he had no business making judgements about my military service. be proud of the fact like me you did something 90 % of the American people do not have the intestinal fortitude to do. A viet nam vet told me a long be proud of your service its not your fault there was no wars going on and some people are big pussies and will never serve.

Response by PO2 Karl Palmer made Feb 9 at 2015 2:47 PM

PO2 Karl Palmer — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:47:26 -0500

Every single one of us that raises our hand and takes an oath is a cog in the greater military machine.

It does not matter where you served, but that you served. If you weren't doing the job than someone else would be.

So *salute* brother and thank you for your service!

Response by MAJ Eric Neumann made Feb 9 at 2015 2:52 PM

MAJ Eric Neumann — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:52:12 -0500

You were dealing with an idiot. Either ignore him or deck his ass.

Response by CPT Gary Lapine made Feb 9 at 2015 2:53 PM

CPT Gary Lapine — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:53:16 -0500

Specialist, in over thirty years of service, active and reserve, I never left the U.S. I was rifted as a Captain in '89, and enlisted to complete my twenty in '90. On several occasions I was on alert; went through the "beltline" for shots, records, etc. and never left. Always the bridesmaid - never the bride! However, my training saved my life and the lives of others when I was a police officer. My training and experience got me jobs, that others were never qualified. I was a leader then, and I am a leader now almost fifteen years after retiring.

I don't give a damn what any civilian says, I only listen to my brothers and sisters in uniform (like my wife), whether we served on active duty or not; and whether we were deployed or not, there is a real sense of brotherhood, that mere civilians will never experience in their meager lives.

Response by SFC William Dinwiddie made Feb 9 at 2015 2:55 PM

SFC William Dinwiddie — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:55:30 -0500

remember a veteran is somebody that writes a blank check on their life to uncle sam for a certain amount of time. or something like that.

Response by SFC Kyle Graves made Feb 9 at 2015 2:59 PM

SFC Kyle Graves — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:59:14 -0500

Once you swear into the military, your ass is theirs. Every service member who answered the call to serve their nation and has a DD Form 93 with other than or Honorable service is a veteran PERIOD. During your service, you can be put in harms way in a moments notice. You are trained and ready to defend your countries interest without an opinion or a second thought. You are a defender of your country whether you are or not on the front line. The point is that you are willing and able to put your life on the line and take out a few if the opportunity presented itself. That is more than some civilian who is only good for giving lip service have done to secure this nation. The military works as a team, everybody In uniform has contributed to this nations security whether deployed or not. We cover down for each other.

Response by SP5 Kevin O'Brien made Feb 9 at 2015 3:27 PM

SP5 Kevin O'Brien — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:27:27 -0500

I read somewhere that it takes three soldiers in support MOS's to support each soldier in combat. Soldiers who work in supply, logistics, transportation, medical, and other fields .
During the first Gulf War I served in a Lance Missile Battery in Germany and was feeling bad that we were not going to be deployed. A friend of mine asked me if I would go if ordered and I said of course. He told me that there was probably a good reason for us not being deployed and that we were there to keep stability in the area.
Today I collect disability from the VA. and I still feel guilty that I never saw combat, but I have never, ever, been told by another veteran that I didn't deserve my benefits. Other Veterans know about the long hours of training, IG. Inspections, going to the field, and hours without sleep.
We put ourselves in danger to train for doing a job we all hoped we never would have to do.
Certainly there are civilians such as Police Officers, Firemen, and EMS personal who put their lives on the line, but I'm sure they would agree with me. I want to thank you for your service to this great country of ours. I'm proud to be a Veteran who served with people like you.

Response by PO1 Glenn Boucher made Feb 9 at 2015 3:53 PM

PO1 Glenn Boucher — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:53:24 -0500

Why should it bother you if you served your time honorably? Get over yourself.

Response by SGT William Howell made Feb 9 at 2015 3:55 PM

SGT William Howell — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:55:14 -0500

You know I always wondered if I stacked up to the guys that came before me in combat. WW2, Korea, 'Nam. I always wonder if I could have been the soldier that they were. The truth is I will never know, but I know I lived by the Army Values and I was the best soldier I could be. Don't worry about what you could have been. Worry about who you were and did you try to be the best with what cards your were dealt.

Those that did not deploy are just as much of a soldier as the rest of us. Nobody would would have lasted for more than a couple weeks without the support of those in the rear. Rommel's army was not defeated because they lost the will to fight, he lost because he could not get resupplied.

Response by PO1 Donald Hammond made Feb 9 at 2015 4:10 PM

PO1 Donald Hammond — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 16:10:28 -0500

Okay, let me clarify. You volunteered. You didn't have to. If you are proud of what you did in the military then don't worry about what somebody who never volunteered thinks.

If you must answer them ask this question "What have you done for your country lately?"

Response by SSG Rhett Harris made Feb 9 at 2015 4:15 PM

SSG Rhett Harris — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 16:15:54 -0500

SPC Ackerman
I cannot add anything new and unique to the many excellent responses you have already received. Perhaps the number of responses will help you move past the "guilt" you are feeling for not deploying. Being an 11 series soldier and never deploying either, I understand how you feel. That being said, the fact that you/we placed our society's welfare ahead of your/our own, places you/us miles ahead of any civilian who would presume to judge. If that attitude of the interviewer is the company's as well, you definitely do not want to be there. Did you find another position?

Response by CMSgt David Allen made Feb 9 at 2015 4:47 PM

CMSgt David Allen — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 16:47:17 -0500

Your question touched on an issue that bothered me for a long time. I'm a retired Air Force Chief Master Sergeant and spent 24 years on active duty (1961-1985). Although I served a remote overseas assignment, and 4 accompanied overseas tours, I never served in a combat theater of operations. I used to feel guilty because I never served in Vietnam. I came to the same conclusion as did others on this string. I served at the will and pleasure of the USAF, and didn't have any say in where I was assigned or when. I, like all of us who serve(d), do so according to the exigencies of the military at the time. Although I didn't serve in a combat zone, I'm proud of my contributions to the defense of our great nation. You should be too.

Response by SFC Kenneth Barkley made Feb 9 at 2015 4:53 PM

SFC Kenneth Barkley — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 16:53:29 -0500

I'd say you use a version of what John Wayne said in the movie "The Green Berets". You ask the civilian have you served? when they say No. You say, "uh huh and walk away" Obviously some don't know the meaning of Veteran. No need to explain or get mad. You are a part of the 1% of this nation who serves, the one who VOLUNTEERED to take the least amount of pay for the hardest of the hard jobs....that of possibly dying for this country. I'm getting kind of fired up, so I'll close after this..... IF you really want to say something to them...explain that the mere fact that he/she has the unmitigated audacity to ask you such a question is why you are in the uniform protecting their stupidity....it being part of our freedoms and you personally standing guard over THEM as they speak.

Response by CPL Barry Kooda made Feb 9 at 2015 5:03 PM

CPL Barry Kooda — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:03:14 -0500

You wrote a check to your country in the amount of "Anything and everything I am up to and including disfigurement and death" The fact that that check was cashed out for less than the full amount has no bearing on what you offered.

Response by PO3 James McClenny made Feb 9 at 2015 5:06 PM

PO3 James McClenny — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:06:20 -0500

"I, Alexander Ackerman, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." When you took that oath, it mattered not whether you were ultimately deployed or not. What matters is that you were ready, willing, and able to go wherever your country needed you, and if that wasn't the field of battle, it doesn't matter in the slightest. You can hold your head high, and be proud of your commitment to the defense of our nation. That's this Squid's opinion, and I think my opinion is pretty much universal among your other brothers and sisters of our Armed Forces.

Response by CPT Dan McFadden made Feb 9 at 2015 5:12 PM

CPT Dan McFadden — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:12:27 -0500

Ackerman:

Your story made me boil at the arrogance of the ass who asked that question. You have nothing to prove to anyone. You volunteered to serve your nation and in doing so, became a member of an exclusive brotherhood which represents approximately 1% of our nation's population. The job(s) you did and the location(s) you served were based on the "needs of the Army". It doesn't make any difference if you were a Cav Scout or a PAC Clerk. You put your freedom and life on hold to actually contribute something to our nation. By choosing to serve, you said I will, and polls show most of your fellow citizens are happy you did.

I don't have any wisdom on how to handle that specific situation. I've never run into that type of garbage before. People have always thanked me for my service. I'm pretty sure my response to that guy would not be one to recommend or tell Mom about.

Response by LCpl Travis Emerson made Feb 9 at 2015 5:19 PM

LCpl Travis Emerson — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:19:52 -0500

I'm in the same boat. 4 years active. 1 full year training ,2 in Kings bay baby siting subs. when I left to go to my unit I was told I had to extend my contract because they where going on a WestPac . " NO PROBLEM" was my reply. I was finally getting ready to do what I joined the Corps to do. They sent me to get my " orders endorsed " at 1st MarDiv and the SgtMaj told my I was staying there. After a brief back and forth about wanting to deploy I lost all bearing and told the SgtMaj "" whatever" . He told me I would be working the range. I turned around and walked out of his office. After being at the range for a month my Ssgt told me I was going to Mojave Viper. I spend the next year'ish training people to deploy. Smack in the face right. I was the only Lcpl there and I was the " go to guy for my new Ssgt. The unit ended up writing SOP's around the stuff I did to make my job easier. That was my best year in. The other guys would give me shit by saying " raise your hand if you deployed". Me being the only one no having deployed BUT my rebuttal was " raise your hand if you have touched a nuclear war head".... I get told by my real friends that did deploy that I am "lucky". I understand where they are coming from and I respect it, But Still hate it. I've only ever left the country on a Carnival Cruise ship, Never made E4 and some days I miss the stupidity of my beloved Corps. But I've NEVER felt bad when a civilian makes a stupid comment like that. I smirk nod my head and ask them to explain to me what contributions they have made to this country that allows them to have such an opinionated statement....

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 5:20 PM

LT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:20:18 -0500

Silly civilians. It's not the first nor the last of people who assume they know what they are talking about. Just remind them if they would just simply get out of the way, we in the military could win some wars.

Response by CSM Michael Lynch made Feb 9 at 2015 5:20 PM

CSM Michael Lynch — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:20:59 -0500

SPC Private RallyPoint Member You are not alone there are many thousands that have worn the uniform and not deployed. Myself being one of them. I was in from Dec 31 1981 - 1 Jan 2012 and didn't get deployed. I even volunteered during the last 10 years for 3 different positions.

There is a reason the military has so many different areas that need people for the functionality that is required, you, myself and many others had to fill them and do it well to support the military and nation as a whole. We swore to support and defend>>>> no matter where the service wanted to with out us doing our jobs whatever and wherever it was we still supported those that deployed.

Together we served and are VETERANS no matter what anyone in the civilian world asks or tells you. Hold your head high and thank them for the support. You can always turn around and ask them what they have done for their country without any response. You were part of the 1% that can and did serve knowing what the results could be as others have said on here. My hat is off to you and SALUTES my brother in arms.

Response by CPL Hayward Johnson made Feb 9 at 2015 5:34 PM

CPL Hayward Johnson — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:34:10 -0500

Hey bro just because you didn't go dosent mean your not a veteran. That person who told you otherwise is clueless on how we operate and wasnt willing to swear the oath to write a blank check on their life for their country. so like jay z said and get that dirt off your shoulder ..and deive on

Response by SFC Mark Bateman made Feb 9 at 2015 5:37 PM

SFC Mark Bateman — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:37:01 -0500

Wether you deployed or not; you still served and are a veteran! In most cases, is not up to to individual as to where they serve (they are ordered to go where they are needed...).
The warriors deployed cannot do their jobs w/out the constant support of others stateside, and throughout the globe!

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 5:40 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:40:52 -0500

I came home from Iraq, Kosovo, Kuwait, and Afganistan (twice) with no bullet holes. Does that make me less than the guy who did collect a bullet hole? Does that make him less than the guy who lost a leg? And is there a ranking between him and the guy who lost his life?

LTC Vincent Stoneking has it right. You volunteered to go. You were willing to risk everything you had. If that's not enough for the civvie ... maybe that's why he's a civvie.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 6:00 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:00:43 -0500

As far as I am concerned, anyone that has their DD-214 with an honorable discharge, did their time and earned their veteran distinction. Any civi that thinks otherwise needs to step up to the plate and quit being a college kid for life.

My question would be back to them as to when they served and where they deployed?

Response by SPC Kevin Trump made Feb 9 at 2015 6:03 PM

SPC Kevin Trump — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:03:17 -0500

very good question I was a member of the Indiana Army National Guard for 12 yrs I consider myself a veteran because I signed my name and stood at attention when ordered and at ease when ordered I went where I was told and did what I was asked and if asked would have gave my life for anyone anywhere who wants to be free. so i guess you could say I fought in the cold WAR and won thank you for you service you are a hero

Response by CPT Steven Wetherill made Feb 9 at 2015 6:04 PM

CPT Steven Wetherill — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:04:21 -0500

SPC Alexander Ackerman,
You raised your hand and took the same oath that the rest of us did. You made the commitment to serve your country and do whatever was asked of you. Do not let civilians who have not made this same sacrifice, and could never understand your selfless service make you feel less than what you are. A proud veteran of the greatest nation on earth.

Response by SPC Sivan Shany made Feb 9 at 2015 6:14 PM

SPC Sivan Shany — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:14:15 -0500

I feel you man I also served 3 and a half years and never deployed but keep your head up your service to your country will Always carry with you Hoooahhh

Response by Cpl David Klassen made Feb 9 at 2015 6:35 PM

Cpl David Klassen — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:35:13 -0500

I served in the Marines from 86-90 and got out on a medical after 3 years 11 months and sixteen days as a 0311. As many of you remember Iraq invaded Kuwait in August of 90’. When the ground war began I saw my old unit take the airport on CNN. Needless to say my feelings as a Marine let alone a veteran felt cheapened and began to feel guilty that I was not a part of it. Throughout the years I have never had anyone tell me that I was not a “true” veteran, but inside I've felt that I let my fellow Marines down.

With all that being said, I would give anyone who has never served their country as we have a ration of scarlet and gold topped off with an eagle, globe, and anchor!

-Simper Fi!

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Feb 9 at 2015 6:37 PM

CDR Michael Goldschmidt — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:37:06 -0500

You raised your hand and took an oath to the Constitution. You deployed to wherever you were ordered, even if that was not into a war zone. You served honorably. Did the person asking you even do that? I don't think so. Your brothers and sisters have your back. You did your part.

Besides, have you noticed the imposters? Not only aren't they man or woman enough to admit they DIDN'T serve, but every one of them has to be some kind of combat hero. That you are honest about your honorable service makes me proud to be your fellow vet.

Response by SGT Roger Norris made Feb 9 at 2015 6:41 PM

SGT Roger Norris — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:41:24 -0500

I agree that you ARE a veteran but you are not a combat veteran. You tool an oath to defend this country. Unlike 98% of the population that have no desire to or guts to you have the guts. Next time you are confronted in this way tell the peson/persons "I may not be a combat veteran but I am a veteran that has received an honorable discharge. MY duty happened to be in a non-combat zone."

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 6:41 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:41:50 -0500

Others have all ready stated this, but you volunteered during a time when less than 1% of our nations population has. You stepped up to the line and said "Send me" that is 100% more than most. Be proud of your service if you deployed or not does not matter because without the support and missions you did; those that did deploy would not have been able to do theirs. One team, one fight we all support the mission.

Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Feb 9 at 2015 6:42 PM

SPC(P) Jay Heenan — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:42:32 -0500

You VOLUNTEERED to serve your country! Your country did not call on you to deploy. You still served and that makes you a Veteran. End of story. I do get what you are saying though, because before I deployed, I felt the same. You just go back to the thinking that your country did not need for you to deploy and be grateful...it is not all that it is cracked up to be. Hold your head high and go out and do great things knowing you are part of a very special few.

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Feb 9 at 2015 6:43 PM

PO1 Todd B. — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 18:43:48 -0500

Just remember... you signed the the blank check to our country in the amount of your own life to defend our way of life and this country.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 7:02 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:02:27 -0500

I have 24 years total for pay and 20 of that for retirement, my name came up once for deployment and I went to train and got hurt so I never stepped foot "down range" however, I have done my time and hurt for my country, I had a disc go into my spinal cord while training. I tell civilians all the time that I am a Veteran and how dare they say otherwise. As others have said I signed a blank check up to and for my life most that tell me I am not a veteran have never served at all. Don't let them put you down, your number just did not come up is all. There are many still in today that have never been deployed because of the jobs they do state side, they still support the mission. Hang in there.

Response by SSgt Lynn Jewett Jr made Feb 9 at 2015 7:15 PM

SSgt Lynn Jewett Jr — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:15:33 -0500

I was in during Cold War years, '78-'83, as an Aircraft Maintenance tech on F-4E's in the beginning and finished up working on the F-16's. I am a Veteran and proud that I volunteered at the age of 17. I never saw combat or was near a war zone but I did sign the blank check including and up to giving my life in service of my country. I would do it again if necessary.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 7:16 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:16:17 -0500

SPC I know of alot of people who have served their country proudly that have never deployed keep your head up and look them square in the eye and say thank you then walk away dont let them get you you. you wore the uniform so i consider you a vet just like the guys i went down range with..

Response by SPC Edward R made Feb 9 at 2015 7:25 PM

SPC Edward R — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:25:12 -0500

You served and so did I honorably ,we have no control where they send you,I served during the mid eighties ,and there were no major conflicts then,but had there been one,I was ready to do my job,and I am sure Sir that had you been deployed you were ready to do yours.Thank You For Your Service.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 7:41 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:41:17 -0500

I'll tell you what a SGM told a bunch of us one time- - If you stick around long enough, you'll finally get all the war you want. We don't join in order to go to war, we join to serve our country. If in that service we end up in a war, then so be it.

Response by CPL William Valenti made Feb 9 at 2015 7:58 PM

CPL William Valenti — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 19:58:43 -0500

I enlisted for a 4- year stint (1970 - 74) during the Vietnam War, got sent to the language school in Monterey, CA and spent 18 months as a Chinese translator in SE Asia. I did not carry a weapon, did not have combat experience, but was privileged to be involved in the day-to-day prosecution of the war, and feel that my service was valuable. I still feel good when someone who didn't serve, on hearing about my experience, thanks me for my service.

Response by SGT Yovonne Autrey-Schell made Feb 9 at 2015 8:45 PM

SGT Yovonne Autrey-Schell — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 20:45:37 -0500

The people who question the value of your service because you haven't deployed are not worth the consideration of an answer. Don't waste your time or your breath and, for crying out loud, don't take their yammering for anything other than the petty bullying that it is. Bullies have their own little emotional and psychological weaknesses to compensate for by trying to tear other people down. Remember that next time one of these twits starts in.

Edited to add: You signed on the dotted line, you swore an oath and you upheld it by serving your country and doing the job you were assigned. Look at this situation like it was an old fashioned watch with gears: if one tooth in one of those teeny, tiny little gears goes missing, the workings of the entire watch are compromised. The same goes for your service in the military: you were an essential part of the functioning of the machine that protects our country. Remember that.

Response by SSgt Thomas L. made Feb 9 at 2015 8:47 PM

SSgt Thomas L. — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 20:47:13 -0500

I get the stratification of service that exists within the military. I mean, I feel I did an important job in Iraq by being the COR of a contract that provided employment to LNs doing manual labor around JB Balad. Every Iraqi we gave a paycheck to was one less that was collecting a paycheck for picking up a gun and shooting at coalition forces. However, I am not a combat veteran. The mortars that came down around us on a daily basis doesn't qualify as "combat". Although I feel I earned my hostile fire pay, I still don't feel like I should get the same regards and benefits as combat vets. I get the good natured ribbing that goes down the line from grunts to "fobbits" (of which I proudly consider myself) to those who never deployed. I've never seen that kind of exchange as hostile... it's just part of the military pecking order.

That being said, any civilian who judges your service as unworthy simply because you didn't get the chance to deploy, needs a throat punch. They are not part of that family and have no right to speak on things about which they have no idea. If you have an honorable discharge, there's no reason not to be proud of your service. If you get that kind of crap again, just give them a, "What the hell do you know about it, jackwagon?" and press on.

Response by PO2 Chris Stanley made Feb 9 at 2015 9:01 PM

PO2 Chris Stanley — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:01:12 -0500

There is no reason to hold any hard feelings or regret on your part. If you fulfilled your commitment, the choice to deploy was not with you but the detailer. Any further questions as to your status as a Veteran should be met with a question of your own, What if anything have you done for your country? The people who count appreciate your service!

Response by Capt Terry Fillmore made Feb 9 at 2015 9:33 PM

Capt Terry Fillmore — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:33:11 -0500

Occasionally I feel the same way, as I entered the Marines in 1974 and left the Marines in 1988. In 1991, I called Headquarters Marine Corps to see about going back in for Desert Storm. I was 35 and was told I was too old. I again attempted to go into the Marine Reserves in 1995, and was told that they would take me only under extraordinary circumstances. In 1996, I entered the National Guard and became a tanker. When 9/11 happened I was a Scout Instructor. I rationalize by saying I did my part in the Cold War, as well as preparing soldiers to go over to Iraq and Afghanistan. Most of the time, however, I am very satisfied with my 25 years of service. We cannot control where we end up in history.

Response by SGT Greg Gold made Feb 9 at 2015 9:37 PM

SGT Greg Gold — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 21:37:31 -0500

Alex,

I served 15.5 years and retired early due to medical issues. Like you I never got deployed to a combat zone, but like you I stepped up to serve. By joining the military you did more than 99% of the population does, and you can be dam proud of what you volunteered to do.

Response by SGT Romeo Reyes made Feb 9 at 2015 10:55 PM

SGT Romeo Reyes — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 22:55:05 -0500

If a civilian questions you, screw them! Bunch of maggots anyway. If a fellow veteran who has been to combat questions your service, they have issues. I appreciate your service to this country! You've been to Korea, and also at Ft Stewart. You have earned your place at the round table.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2015 11:15 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 23:15:54 -0500

I don't know the actual statistics at this time, and can/will get back to you .... regardless of solid statistic number, you are still one of a very few that will make that commitment, and go and raise your right hand and swear to the oath. Your first response to that jack wagon should have gone something like this: " when, and what unit did you serve in, Mr. High and Mighty Civilian Man?"

Response by CPT Thomas Boone made Feb 9 at 2015 11:51 PM

CPT Thomas Boone — Mon, 09 Feb 2015 23:51:14 -0500

Only about 1% of Americans ever serve active or reserve.
You are a 1%er.

Response by SFC Scott Fifield made Feb 10 at 2015 12:21 AM

SFC Scott Fifield — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:21:28 -0500

Well I'll say it thank you for your service. You signed on the contract you raised your right hand and swore to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Well you did what your country needed where you were stationed. We don't get to pick and choose all of Duty stations. You are a veteran and to those civilians who didn't even serve well they don't get to tell us the less than 2% club that made it safe for everyone else to sleep safely in there beds was hill we pulled the watch.

Response by SFC Scott Fifield made Feb 10 at 2015 12:23 AM

SFC Scott Fifield — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:23:05 -0500

Well said Sir.

Response by SPC John Galvin made Feb 10 at 2015 12:58 AM

SPC John Galvin — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:58:32 -0500

Luckily, I have not had that type of response to my response to military service questions. I would probably laugh and ask when they ever strapped on a pair of boots for PT at 0'dark thirty, or pulled any one of numerous duties that are assigned to those who took the oath. Our military brothers and sisters have all served our country in one capacity or another, some had to eat dirt and see things no one should see, others did what it took to keep our countries armed forces standing tall. We will always have a high respect for those who have had to dodge rounds and suffered greatly for others, but we are all veterans that wrote that check at one time. Hold your head high, and thanks for joining the ranks of a small percentage of our population that actually had the balls to raise their right hand. Hooah!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2015 1:11 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 01:11:15 -0500

Deployments, or lack thereof, does not and never will measure how much of a Soldier you are or are not. Following, living and knowing the Core Army Values makes you a valuable Soldier! All the positions and jobs in all the branches of the Armed Forces were made for a purpose. Everyone is not meant to follow the same exact career path, in any military branch or civilian sector. Hold your head high, know your worth, and tell them "God bless you sir/ma'am."

Response by SSG John Herrera made Feb 10 at 2015 1:23 AM

SSG John Herrera — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 01:23:20 -0500

You served your county buy training and doing your time as a soldier we are all part of the same family but dont forget you stayed in time of war and did your job as a soldier that say a lot abought you

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2015 1:55 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 01:55:28 -0500

Ask them "So where did you serve", then enjoy the silence. Some think that veteran means you went to war. Veteran means you served honorably and were willing to make a sacrifice that they have not. When you are done pondering this, just pet them on the head, give them a sugar cube, then walk away.

Response by SPC Rob Durling made Feb 10 at 2015 3:02 AM

SPC Rob Durling — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:02:37 -0500

Remember, you're the one who at one point in your life wrote that check for the amount "up to and including your life " in the service of the United States of America. Luckily, all Uncle Sam asked for was a few years of your life. I take all - and I mean all, positive and negative- comments from civilians with a grain of salt. We wore the uniform, we understand. Maybe give 'em the deadeye, but that's about all that is necessary. There's not a veteran out there who would spout such nonsense. So stand fast and let such civilians make fools of themselves.

Response by Cpl Seth Ma O made Feb 10 at 2015 3:14 AM

Cpl Seth Ma O — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:14:08 -0500

So this is how i justify my existence. I am a Marine Cpl, who spent 3 years on board MCAGCC 29 Palms.

As a Marine, i made many sacrifices and commitments to the Marines around me so that should they deploy, they do so with a healthy mind and spirit.

As an NCO, i held Marines to a certain standard which gave them the discipline, experience, knowledge, tools and mindset so thay should they and have deployed, they did so in as much a Combat Ready state as i could provide them, thus causing a chain reaction that would possibly save their lives and the lives of Marines around them.

As the unit safety manager, i dedicated myself to ensure that there were no training accidents leading to death or severe injury while home. As an NCO, i did everything in my power to i still the voice of reason in them that would hopefully lead them to make the right decisions on liberty.

The reality is, we lose more service members at home due to reckless behavior and suicide than what we lose to this war. Do your part and be a hero back home, and you just may have saved lives. Be one of those that just slide through the cracks and collect a paycheck, than you may not be much better than what the civilian thinks of you. But in all reality, you dont have to go overseas or get shot to be a hero. I have saved many lives back home by physically being there for someone, being a first responder, or and just being there when someone needed it.

I have done all this, received no medals and no recognition from it. But i went to sleep everynight knowing that i earned my paycheck. I collect my benefits without any doubt because i receive calls from old Marines still who tell me that i made a difference in their lives. I have Marines that thank me to this day for saving their family when they wanted to give up. And they thank me because they know that all of the efforts i put forth ended up breaking apart my marriage.

Do what your supposed to do. Make a difference. And you will have earned your place.

Response by Cpl Derrick Etheridge made Feb 10 at 2015 5:15 AM

Cpl Derrick Etheridge — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 05:15:41 -0500

I have been told by my family members that did get to deploy that I should never hang my head low because I volunteered and tried to go. I made every effort, I busted my tail and tried to put myself in harms way to do good. I was also injured in training to the point that I had to have surgery so when it comes down to it I shed blood sweat and tears for this country too. It still hurts me that I never deployed, but I tried...and I guess my mother got saved some grief. Just remember, you showed up when no one asked you to. You volunteered.

Response by SSG Alvin Amezquita made Feb 10 at 2015 6:26 AM

SSG Alvin Amezquita — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:26:31 -0500

Here my answer to u

Response by SSG Alvin Amezquita made Feb 10 at 2015 6:32 AM

SSG Alvin Amezquita — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 06:32:12 -0500

Well that didn't go the way I wanted it too. What I was trying to say is. U have to sometimes pay no mind to those people cause u put on the uniform and they didn't. You might not have deployed overseas but u supported the fight from here. U made sure that u were available if needed. And also made sacrifices that civilians don't. Don't you ever let anyone doubt ur service especially a civilian.

Response by CPL Steve Connolly made Feb 10 at 2015 7:22 AM

CPL Steve Connolly — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:22:58 -0500

Wow what a great question. Worse than that, I have seen and heard conversations like that within our own ranks. I read a couple of the reply ' s and wished I had had those answers when i had been confronted with that question. How dealt with it was I found a way to deploy at the risk of my health and my family's future. You see I'm 52 now and very broken physically as a result of my deployment. I was 48 when I deployed in 2010. I had already had a heart attack and half my colon out because of diverticulitis. I transferred from one unit to another in order to deploy. It was crazy and if i had it to do over I'm not sure I would have made the same choice. Don't get me wrong. I have no regrets about deploying. But I took that risk and could have died due to medical issues leaving behind a great son and beautiful wife for some macho bs. I'm not sure if this helps or not but that's what my experience was.

Response by PO1 Ken Johnson made Feb 10 at 2015 7:50 AM

PO1 Ken Johnson — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 07:50:51 -0500

A Veteran is someone who at one time wrote a check payable to the United States of America for the amount up to and including "MY LIFE!"

For some of us the check was cashed.... for a partial amount, some for the entire amount!

But we all signed the check!

Response by SSG Mark Ives made Feb 10 at 2015 8:32 AM

SSG Mark Ives — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:32:26 -0500

Those 'Call of Duty' warriors are ones to talk if you are a veteran, because 'you didn't deploy to a combat zone'. You served, they didn't! Ignore their sorry asses! 'Nuff said!!

Response by SGT Mark Churning made Feb 10 at 2015 8:35 AM

SGT Mark Churning — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:35:21 -0500

Screw 'em!!!!!!!

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Feb 10 at 2015 8:49 AM

SSgt Christophe Murphy — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:49:11 -0500

Veterans and active duty have the amazing ability to always feel guilty for not doing enough. We didn't deploy enough, I survived when others didn't. I could have done more.

You have to come to terms with your service. You did your part and honestly you have nothing to prove and that counts double for random dude busting on a veteran for not deploying. Military service is a random roll of the dice. In a first term contract some might deploy several times or not at all. Depends on where they end up and the circumstances of that region. We can do our best to educate the public on the many aspects and missions of the military but you will have to come to grips with the fact you didn't deploy on your own. It seems that is something that bothered you long before this guy made a offsides comment.

Response by Sgt Ramon Nacanaynay made Feb 10 at 2015 8:53 AM

Sgt Ramon Nacanaynay — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:53:12 -0500

There, but for the Grace of God goes I; perhaps more so than others. I could have been injured. I could have been an amputee. I could have killed others. women. children. non-combatants. Was it worth it? Others say, "They could bring about the next 9/11." How do they know?? How does anyone know what is in the hearts and minds of others? I can be in someone's cross-hairs, I could be ready to pull a trigger, or irresponsibly toss a hot grenade. . . . Many are hurt by accident or irresponsibility. Why do we hurt on purpose? What justice? You mean sense of justice. It's just a sense of justice. not true justice

Response by Capt Keith French made Feb 10 at 2015 8:55 AM

Capt Keith French — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:55:03 -0500

You were a round, in a magazine, in the mag pouch around the waist of America. Built to a specific tolerance for a specific reason. The fact that your magazine wasn't locked, loaded, and fired doesn't make you any less of a round, doesn't make you any less lethal, doesn't make you any less important than the spent rounds. You were built to be chambered and stayed primed ready for the trigger pull and the hammer to fall. You were "manufactured" into an American Fighting Man and you have earned the title United Staes Army Veteran. The next time some moron pulls that stunt politely direct them to google the words "military veteran". Then dismiss yourself.

Response by SSG Christopher K. made Feb 10 at 2015 9:06 AM

SSG Christopher K. — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:06:04 -0500

There is nothing negative about not deploying and your service with the military. I am currently on my first deployment right now and I have been in for almost 9 years. You may not deploy now or ever but as past comments have said you did what they didn't. It doesn't matter if your a National Guard Soldier, as Reserve Soldier, or Active Duty Soldier. YOU ARE A SOLDIER. It doesn't matter what any civilian says they cannot take that away from you. The guys that don't deploy and keep running things back home are just as important as the ones that go overseas.

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Feb 10 at 2015 9:08 AM

1SG Patrick Sims — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:08:06 -0500

You had the courage to sign on the dotted line, and put your ass on the line for the American People. The idiot who's questioning your courage probably hadn't served a day in uniform in his life. His opinion isn't worth a second of your time, and you shouldn't feel you didn't do enough just because you weren't shot at. You served like thousands of others did. You have nothing to be ashamed of. Ever.

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2015 9:11 AM

LT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:11:54 -0500

I'm curious to know this community's take on Reservists who never got deployed. As we stand now a reservist can in theory serve for years while not being legally considered a veteran with status.
Thoughts on this?

Response by PFC Stephen Eric Serati made Feb 10 at 2015 9:33 AM

PFC Stephen Eric Serati — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:33:43 -0500

the military is a machine,it has many parts,you are one of those parts,just as vital as the next,without all the parts the machine doesn't work well.Thank You for your service.

Response by SPC Jonathan Bolton made Feb 10 at 2015 9:46 AM

SPC Jonathan Bolton — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:46:58 -0500

I know how you feel my friend I served for 5 years and sustained a back injury before my first deployment so I get the same question and I just explain that it wasn't ment for me to be deployed and I still served my country the be see t I could and it just wasn't in the cards for me to be deployed and then I ask can they do what I did Witch is to write a blank check to uncle sam for any amount including my life

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2015 10:15 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 10:15:35 -0500

I've served for four years now and I didn't deploy my my first two years. To a civilian who never served a veteran is a soldier who went overseas, to the rest of us who actually wear the uniform knows for sure the definition of a veteran is a American that's raises their right hand to defend the constitution.... Enough said

Response by SPC Travis Grizzard made Feb 10 at 2015 10:49 AM

SPC Travis Grizzard — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 10:49:13 -0500

They will never understand anyway.

Response by SGT Michelle Benavides de Dominguez made Feb 10 at 2015 12:15 PM

SGT Michelle Benavides de Dominguez — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:15:23 -0500

I too had not deployed and had not seen combat... I was in the Army/Army Reserves for 12 years and I will tell you that when civilians ask if I deployed to Afghanistan or Iraq, I tell them no but I was ready and willing to go when ever I got the call... You served and did the training, did your time. No one should ever make your time in the military invaluable because of their misunderstanding of what a veteran truly is...

Response by PO2 Brad Myers made Feb 10 at 2015 12:48 PM

PO2 Brad Myers — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:48:18 -0500

Hey buddy you can't beat yourself up over things out of your control. I gave 4 years of my life to defend the country that I love. I was ready to fight & die for it. I was in during the mid 1990's under Clinton. I can't control when I was born.

Response by SGT Jim Z. made Feb 10 at 2015 12:50 PM

SGT Jim Z. — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:50:19 -0500

Enough said

Response by PO2 Michael Tumillo made Feb 10 at 2015 12:57 PM

PO2 Michael Tumillo — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:57:16 -0500

Not everyone gets deployed because they are needed state side for support of supplies, fixing ships and aircraft that come back from deployment. The ships and aircraft don't fix themselves. You also have the admin side of the house that keeps up your military records up to date. I hope this helps.

Response by SGT Brian Gibbs made Feb 10 at 2015 1:02 PM

SGT Brian Gibbs — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 13:02:40 -0500

I have met and rode with many Veterans who never deployed. The only difference between a Veteran and a Combat Veteran is you can't join the VFW. LOL...

All joking aside, their truly, in my eyes, is no difference. You scarified your time to serve this country by doing what so many won't. You don't get to choose whether you get to deploy or not. I am sure many would rather not and many would rather go.

I would say, "I am a Veteran because I served my country as a solider." "I am not a Combat Veteran, because I didn't have the opportunity to serve my country in that way, but did so supporting those that did go by taking care of business at home. "

Response by SrA William Giraldi made Feb 10 at 2015 1:24 PM

SrA William Giraldi — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 13:24:33 -0500

SPC Ackerman, I was in the same position you're in, I volunteered for 5 separate deployments - 3 to Afghanistan and 2 to Iraq, yet I NEVER went anywhere. Don't feel bad. I've been in for almost 10 years between Army and Air Force and it's ok; after a while I just stopped trying to go. Don't let ANYONE tell you that you never served. Don't let toxicity sink into your noggin - you will start to question yourself. Have no regrets and drive on. We are here for a purpose. I don't question God's plan for me. If it wasn't in the cards, that's all there is to it.

Response by LTC Allen Crowley made Feb 10 at 2015 1:31 PM

LTC Allen Crowley — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 13:31:27 -0500

What did you do? I don't mean to sound pejorative, surely you did something for those three years that DoD thought needed to be done. There is no reason for the radar operator scanning for ballistic missiles to go to Iraq or Afghanistan, but I sure want that soldier on the job. I think the best answer for that kind of asinine (uninformed) question is to simply tell them how you contributed to the protection of the nation. They probably don't even know that the military is protecting them in that way. You might just broaden their perspective on the value of our military.

Response by Cpl James Pullen made Feb 10 at 2015 2:23 PM

Cpl James Pullen — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 14:23:55 -0500

I have peers that get this all the time. Being in the airwing not everyone deployed some were at training units others just got the luck of the draw. What I tell them is that just because you didn't deploy doesn't mean you didn't support those who did either with training or moral support. There are still many things to be proud of. Every service member plays a part in the workings of the beast we call the military be proud.

Response by COL Ted Mc made Feb 10 at 2015 2:47 PM

COL Ted Mc — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 14:47:40 -0500

So I have dealt with my fair share of civilians asking me questions like if I went to Afghanistan or Iraq. I never deployed in my 3 years of service, but just over a week ago when someone asked me that and I said "No, I never deployed." He replied with, "How are you even a veteran then? You didn't even serve your country."

To which one responds, "And exactly what risk of having to put your a$$ on the line did you run?".

Armed Forces members who have deployed are well aware of the importance of the log chain (although some don't want to admit it [mainly because they've never been in a situation where they were down to their last package of dehydrated shade, only had one can of condensed water left, and were facing their tenth day in a row with only cheese omelette MREs to eat]).

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2015 2:55 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 14:55:21 -0500

Brush that mess off. I have several (two in particular) close friends who never deployed, yet have served honorably, and with great passion. Both are Sergeant First Class, and both taught me many, many, more valuable lessons about being a Soldier and leader than most of my deployed counterparts.

You walked into a recruiting office. You walked into a MEPS. Test. Physical. Met requirements. Raised your right hand and swore an oath. Then, upheld that oath. You didn't have to do any of that. And now you damn sure don't have to "prove" your "worth" to me or anyone else.

Response by SPC Felisberto Mendija made Feb 10 at 2015 3:53 PM

SPC Felisberto Mendija — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:53:21 -0500

"In order to preserve peace you have to prepare for war" Our country needs to be ready 24hrs/day, 365 days/year to defend and preserve OUR freedom & peace that many had gave a part of their life to and/or the ultimate sacrifice for. No matter Peace time or War time Veteran we all share in that sacrifice. For some, if not most, duty to country does not end at ETS but continues on as, I believe, there is no end date to the Oath we took when entering military service. These civilians, no matter how disheartening their understanding or lack there of of what constitutes being a Military Veteran, they are in the end the reason we served to defend and preserve the Freedom & Peace we ALL so cherish in this the U.S.A.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2015 4:19 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:19:50 -0500

I have had a similar issue, However I did deploy (Running joke ((For everyone BUT me))) for only 1 month. I came in to the Army in 2008, went to Korea for a bit than came to FT Bliss and deployed. (Yes, I am authorized to ware a deployment patch) but the criticism doesn't stop. It was not my choice to return to the states, but somewhere DA screwed up and sent 1AD CAB in to Camp Marmal the same time a National Guard unit was sent for the exact same mission. National Guard funded by the state was aloud to take over and we were sent packing.

Now my unit is in OUA (Operation United Assistance) in Africa and again I was not aloud to deploy due to my MTOE slot. (Africom had no use for my consoles, they only wanted our UH-60's and crew's)

The derogatory comments haven't stopped and the one I hate the most is " Promotable status shouldn't be given to anyone that hasn't deployed" (That was from a PFC)

Response by SGT David Shull made Feb 10 at 2015 4:50 PM

SGT David Shull — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:50:54 -0500

Statistically speaking, combat duty is a small population of military service. A quick search shows that we are at 2,231,447 peeps in active and reserves..."only" 68,000 of that went to Afghanistan in 2012. Only 3%.

I hold a bit of "non-deployment guilt". I was a reservist during Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Units all around getting deployed, we never got called up. There were opportunities to put yourself on a list and be plugged into a deployed unit that needed a body, but I wanted to go with MY unit.

I do realize that not being deployed is a blessing as well.

Response by MSgt Rob Weston made Feb 10 at 2015 5:04 PM

MSgt Rob Weston — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:04:12 -0500

If he is with his girlfriend or wife tell her this "A Real man knows what to fight for regardless if they get to chance to fight for it or not" followed by "sadly yours doesn't"

Response by SrA Jennifer Rosser made Feb 10 at 2015 5:06 PM

SrA Jennifer Rosser — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:06:08 -0500

I happen to agree with the many Sir's/ma'am's. I see your point in not feeling like I could be considered a veteran. I never deployed, either. I had orders to deploy to Greenland, when I was diagnosed with an auto-immune disease; that effectively ended my career.

Response by SGT Craig Northacker made Feb 10 at 2015 6:20 PM

SGT Craig Northacker — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:20:33 -0500

Ask them to speak up because I am deaf in on ear-then just look at them like they have their oral offal dribbling down their chin, shake your head and turn away.

Response by SGT David Emme made Feb 10 at 2015 7:00 PM

SGT David Emme — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:00:40 -0500

There is a lot I could write about but the one thing I would say almost anyone who deployed to a warzone would be among the first to put that civilian in their place in defending your honor. Count me as one of those who would.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2015 7:10 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:10:01 -0500

You did more than the other 99% of patriots who never volunteered to serve. Did you dodge deployments or where you in a specialty that prevented you from going forward?

Response by SPC Roy Heath made Feb 10 at 2015 7:31 PM

SPC Roy Heath — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:31:40 -0500

My first Duty station was with 101st airborne between all the training we did I felt like I was deployed several 6 or 7 times a year. My deployment to Bosnia back in the 90's was no joke, but sometimes I would think to myself that the "training" that we did was in some cases worse. But that is why we train. So the next time someone tells you that your not a real vet then tell them to show you how it's done. Be proud of your time you spent serving your country and don't let some sorry non patriotic, lazy eccentric person take away your pride. It's people like you that give those idiots the FREEDOM to say stupid things like that.
have a good life.
AIR ASSUALT

Response by SGT Francis Wright made Feb 10 at 2015 7:38 PM

SGT Francis Wright — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:38:06 -0500

Look most civilians do not have an understanding that service members just do as they are told. Also it depends if your specialty is needed in theater. So take heart, and thank you for your service.

Response by Sgt Robert Andrews made Feb 10 at 2015 7:38 PM

Sgt Robert Andrews — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:38:56 -0500

Deployments are the only way a service member sacrifices while in the military. While it may be the most extreme or highly looked upon method of service, members back in the states offer a great deal of support to those that are deployed. No matter the role, I guaranteed that you were not always warm and cozy in your bed at home every night. Don't sweat the small stuff.

Response by SSgt James Stylinski made Feb 10 at 2015 8:16 PM

SSgt James Stylinski — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 20:16:32 -0500

I think you should tell them that, You went where they sent you and you did your job

Response by Sgt Adam Jennings made Feb 10 at 2015 8:23 PM

Sgt Adam Jennings — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 20:23:15 -0500

I wish I had been there, I would've lit that civilian up. The last thing any civilian has any right to do is question a veteran's status because of lack of deployment when that person never even tried to serve. Just my $0.02 worth though. Don't let it get you down.

Response by Capt Lea Brunold made Feb 10 at 2015 8:27 PM

Capt Lea Brunold — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 20:27:54 -0500

After my 5 years of stateside AD service, I've often asked myself this same question. Thank you for having the courage to post this.

Response by PO2 Frances Smart made Feb 10 at 2015 8:30 PM

PO2 Frances Smart — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 20:30:21 -0500

I would ask them if they had served. My guess is, probably not, if they don't realize how being on call to run save the world for democracy at any given moment is service to one's country. If they say they have never served, I would ask them who they are to judge me. If they say they served during wartime, I would say that, while I appreciate the sacrifices they made, that the sacrifices I made had value as well. It would just be a matter of whom I was talking to. Having said that though, I will also say that, while I would never let them know this, telling me that my ten years of military service had no value and served no purpose would probably kindle a slow burn in the pit of my stomach, and they had better be glad that my military service taught me to control my temper!

Response by SPC Richard Montalvo made Feb 10 at 2015 8:51 PM

SPC Richard Montalvo — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 20:51:29 -0500

dont sweat it your in a club honor duty country nobody can take that away

Response by HN Keiran Fallon made Feb 10 at 2015 10:13 PM

HN Keiran Fallon — Tue, 10 Feb 2015 22:13:50 -0500

You don't have to justify your service to anyone. Your job is frequently just as important whether or not you saw combat.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Feb 11 at 2015 12:17 AM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 00:17:58 -0500

Timing, Timing, Timing. We have not been continuously at war forever. Not everyone is in during time of battle. We still need folks to stand the Watch, Maintain the Equipment and Carry the Knowledge over during the In-Between Periods. You had the Courage, Honor and Dignity to Sign on the Dotted Line. They Didn't and they can Bloody Well Piss Off in my Book! Thank You for Standing the Watch SPC Alexander Ackerman, I Salute You! Respectfully "Chip".

Response by SSG Dave Powell made Feb 11 at 2015 1:17 AM

SSG Dave Powell — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 01:17:40 -0500

Always remember that regardless of your proximity to the Battlefield it will never diminish the fact that you served your Brothers and Sisters in Arms and had a very important role on this Team. Look at the large picture and take pride that you were a part of something that those who have not served can never understand. When you left the Service you took away the Army Values which is something we all share and stand by - if you are ever put on the spot, ask them if they served Loyally? Did they fulfill their Obligations to duty? Do they treat People as they should be treated? Did they put the welfare of the Nation, the Army or their subordinates above their own? Do they have Honor by Living up to the Army Values? Do they have Integrity, always doing what's right Legally and Morally? Have they ever faced fear, Danger or adversity? Every day we wake up, each of us who served or had served had to live these values and uphold the standards that make us a Great Army. Regardless of whether you deployed or not, you are just as much a Veteran who served Proudly and faithfully and were an essential part of this team. SPC Ackerman, thank you for your Service, I appreciate you and the sacrifices you have made for the American People and our Nation!!!

Response by SPC Charles Maisano made Feb 11 at 2015 4:38 AM

SPC Charles Maisano — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 04:38:50 -0500

Hey brother, it doesn't matter if you got deployed or not. You volunteered to serve, that is what makes you a veteran. We all did/do our part that is called upon us to do as needed. I'm proud to call you a brother as I do anybody that has served no matter which branch or time period of events. Just remember that you are part of a brotherhood that no civilian could ever understand, and you will miss it once in the civilian world. The guy that you talked to is simply an idiot. Take care brother, and remember we are ALL here for you.

Response by SGT Thomas Angelos made Feb 11 at 2015 7:30 AM

SGT Thomas Angelos — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 07:30:06 -0500

Tell him a veteran is a person that wrote a blank check to the citizens of the United States. That that check included ones life if needed. Dont worry your a veteran.

Response by MAJ Chris Ballard made Feb 11 at 2015 8:44 AM

MAJ Chris Ballard — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 08:44:08 -0500

I would say unless you actively sought to get out of deployments (I had one soldier have his girlfriend run over his leg the night before we departed for Iraq), you have very little control over where the service sends you. You stood up to be counted, which is more than 99% of the population.

If it's from another service member who has deployed, you just gotta take it on the chin. You couldn't help where you did or didn't get sent.

Response by CPL Dave Foster made Feb 11 at 2015 9:39 AM

CPL Dave Foster — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:39:16 -0500

As a Vietnam-Era veteran (no time served in RVN), I tell people that I raised my hand and offered my time and life. No, I didn't volunteer to go and the military felt I could serve in other places to support those troops on the line. I would ask any low-life civilian why they didn't have the guts to raise their hand and offer up their life in support of our country.

Response by SSG Ralph Belander made Feb 11 at 2015 10:16 AM

SSG Ralph Belander — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 10:16:03 -0500

Are you still in? If so I am sure the Army will get its pound of flesh! If you are out of the Army just say "look, I volunteered and went where the Army sent me, dont blame me for following my lawful orders and doing my bnest to serve my country." And you might want to ask them what combat zone THEY served in..

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2015 11:12 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:12:39 -0500

The main point is that YOU Served and they DID NOT. YOU were willing to do your part whether you actually deployed or not. Keep your chin up. You are a VET just like the rest of us. Thanks for your service to our country.

Response by SSG James Wainscoat made Feb 11 at 2015 11:27 AM

SSG James Wainscoat — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:27:04 -0500

Having been in combat, Vietnam 1966-67, I can say that I have never have heard any combatant or anyone deployed, bad mouth someone who served, for having not been a combatant or not having been deployed, unless the comments were motivated by those who know not what the brotherhood is all about. Take the oath, don the uniform, man/woman your post honorably, and you have my salute and handshake. If only those who are in the AO are to be counted; we are in big trouble. It's those in waiting, with their equipment, their training, their hung-ho attitude and Patriotism that keeps the other potential enemies at bay. So important is this reserve pool of combatants et al, that this article below may become our epitaph if we neglect the deterrent affect of a strong ready force. Scoat
http://www.aei.org/publication/breaking-trust/?utm_source=today&utm_medium=paramount&utm_campaign=020915

Response by LTC John Wilson made Feb 11 at 2015 1:30 PM

LTC John Wilson — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:30:21 -0500

You either enlisted in the service or were commissioned in the service. You are ordered to obey those orders from NCOs or Officers appointed over you. You served three honorable years of service, following orders, and received an Honorable discharge. You served more than 180 days, you are a VETERAN JUST LIKE THOSE THAT DEPLOYED. We don't choose our jobs when we go in the military. However, we served as ordered in an honorable fashion. Be proud of your three years, Veteran.

Response by CPO David Kaye made Feb 11 at 2015 6:34 PM

CPO David Kaye — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:34:41 -0500

Ask if they served. If not ignore them it is not worth your time to explain it to them.

Response by SPC Thomas Lema made Feb 11 at 2015 8:26 PM

SPC Thomas Lema — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 20:26:54 -0500

Simply say i joined the service, I did my time , Itrained for war . But most importantly mention to them they have no right to say shit because they never rasied their hand and took an oath to serve country and president being willing to give up their life if the situation presented itself' then be a gentleman and walk away.

Response by SPC Larry Buck made Feb 11 at 2015 8:35 PM

SPC Larry Buck — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 20:35:44 -0500

Well got stuck and broke in a German training area furthest I went.. Watched a bunch go, never me... Go to my post read the right and left answers.. Very enlightening!

Response by Sgt Jim H. made Feb 11 at 2015 9:08 PM

Sgt Jim H. — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 21:08:27 -0500

Don't put yourself in a position to desire or require validation from someone else. You served with honor.

Response by PO1 Glenn Boucher made Feb 11 at 2015 10:29 PM

PO1 Glenn Boucher — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 22:29:42 -0500

I just don't understand why you feel the need to justify your service. You joined, you served honorably or so I am assuming. Do you really need someone who has never served to question you and thus make you question yourself? Everyone has an opinion and you will be 50 / 50 between liking and disliking them.
You should not be questioning yourself about how you served just because someone questions your veteran status because you never deployed. If they can't figure it out no answer you give will help them out.

Response by SPC Kyle Kellogg made Feb 11 at 2015 10:58 PM

SPC Kyle Kellogg — Wed, 11 Feb 2015 22:58:46 -0500

In the future if someone asks you this question, as I have been in the past, tell the person that you volunteered and enlisted in the military, you sacrificed years of your life in order to stand guard on the ramparts of freedom, you were ready to deploy but the opportunity did not present itself. If all else fails tell them to look it up between their Google searches for what Beyoncé and Lady Gaga were wearing today.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2015 7:56 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 07:56:51 -0500

Yeah, civilians are ignorant and you shouldn't feel ashamed or develop some inferiority complex for not earning a combat patch. The wars are winding down (in terms of mass deployments) so there will be less opportunities for those seeking "combat experience." What this means is that in the next few years, as many veterans leave the service and new recruits come in, you will see a shift in a higher number of those who have no combat patch to those who do.

Believe it or not there are senor leaders among the ranks that sport a "slick sleeve" who are questioned by other subordinate service members why they never deployed. Just last week I came across a conversation on Facebook about two Army Rangers who were standing in line to order food. An O-6 walked in and one of them noticed he didn't have a combat patch and they couldn't believe this was possible.

Response by SSG Bob Madigan made Feb 12 at 2015 9:38 AM

SSG Bob Madigan — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:38:54 -0500

Any civilian that has never raised their hand and taken the OATH, never felt that tingling in the back of their neck and the lump in their throat as the enormity of the words suddenly sank in, has never sworn to defend the Constitution, has never put themselves into the position of accepting and training for the possibility that they MIGHT be sent in harms way, to the sound of the guns, into the shit, HAS NO RIGHT TO AN OPINION ABOUT THE VALUE OF ANYONE"S SERVICE. You are a veteran. He is a pile of worthlessness. Stick your chest out and ask him in the most condescending voice you can muster, "when did you serve, hero?" If you served honorably, faithfully, then you are not just a veteran. You're a Brother / Sister to all who have served no matter where or under what conditions.

Response by SFC William Witzke made Feb 12 at 2015 10:05 AM

SFC William Witzke — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:05:43 -0500

Alex,
First things first, at some point you nutted up, put on your big boy patriot pants and joined the military. That proves several a things;
1. You love your country enough to step up, swear to defend her and serve.
2. You served honorably
3. You care about your service record
Now when a worthless preice of I never cared enough to man up civilian says somethin stupid like that you can either ask that worthless pu&@$y why they never even served or do what I do and offer them a nice hot cup of shut the F@ck up.

Response by Sgt David Sullivan made Feb 12 at 2015 12:02 PM

Sgt David Sullivan — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:02:40 -0500

No need to hang your head when asked. Veterans that did not deploy to Vietnam often refer themselves an Vietnam Era. I will tell you, when I talk to a vet that did not have to deploy, I tell them that I am happy they didn't get orders.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2015 12:25 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:25:36 -0500

You enlisted. That "IS" serving your country. Anything can happen anywhere. You are still protecting our nation at home.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 9:49 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:49:03 -0500

You wrote that blank check to the United States, payable of up to your life. Never be discouraged that you have never deployed.

Response by SFC David Wegmann made Feb 13 at 2015 10:31 AM

SFC David Wegmann — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:31:20 -0500

Al, you are a great American, and you are a veteran period, that guy is a ungrateful ASSHOLE. He doesn't have a clue and never will. I raised my hand as you did, and I served 20 years in Special Forces, and 18 months in the AIR NATIONAL GUARDS, from 1968-1990 and was ready the entire time to put my life on the line, because I said I would, if called upon. I went to all the schools required to get that SF TAB and was deployed on hundreds of training missions both in the United States and three other countries. I was ready to be call at a moment notice. But I was not ever called up. All my family served over seas in combat multiple tours. They respect me as a veteran as I do them. Don't ever be ashame to say you are a vet. you signed up, served, and was ready if your Country called you. HOOOOYAH! AIRBORNE!

Response by SSG Keith Cashion made Feb 13 at 2015 10:56 AM

SSG Keith Cashion — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 10:56:24 -0500

The LTC had a great answer, but one other thing that you should or probably do every morning...look in the mirror to make sure that you are putting the best face and appearance forward for the day, and say "Good Morning" and have a great day. You owe no one an explanation for your service time, or what you did or did not do. Smile, as like others have said in this forum you did your job, you have a DD214 that says you did your job honorably, and you are a VETERAN. As to a response “Open your hand and let that last f%ck fly away into the sky.”…none needed.

Response by SPC Chris Bell made Feb 13 at 2015 3:20 PM

SPC Chris Bell — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 15:20:34 -0500

It's not that I can and others can't it is I did and others didn't

Response by CDR Clint Grimes made Feb 14 at 2015 1:19 PM

CDR Clint Grimes — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 13:19:09 -0500

People like that aren't even worth answering but if you wish to you should frame your answered by that it's not what you do as a veteran, it's what you may be required to do. As a civilian, your chances of being deployed in time of war are an absolute zero! As a veteran, for a time, you signed the check saying up to and including my life. The civilian doesn't even have a bank account.

Response by SFC John Lee Washington made Feb 14 at 2015 8:43 PM

SFC John Lee Washington — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:43:54 -0500

Thank you SPC Ackerman for your service. The Armed Service's success is derived from every working membrane of its' system; each and everyone of us are the tools and brains of the Armed Force's Success. I find it very difficult for any intellegent individual unable to comprehend those elements of what it means to be a successful team.

Response by SGT Dan Weggel made Feb 16 at 2015 4:28 PM

SGT Dan Weggel — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 16:28:18 -0500

Another response I have to this is; I love my country just as much as a combat veteran no less. It was not my choice to not be deployed I tried busted, my ass to get over there and do my part in Desert Storm.
To this day I am a Army soldier at heart I Always will be! My uniform may not fit and I may be out of shape. But
If my country called me today You can bet Your Ass I'd leave.
I'm 51 years old beautiful wife 2 grown kids 2 wonderful grand kids and a good job of 18 plus years. I'd give all this up to go in harms way Because this Is the Greatest country In the world and I love her my blood bleeds Red White and Blue.
I dare anyone to say I am not a veteran that's like saying I'm not a patriot.
So tell who ever said that to pucker up drop your pants and give them something to kiss!!!
HUA!!!

Response by SPC Kevin James made Feb 17 at 2015 1:04 AM

SPC Kevin James — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 01:04:25 -0500

Consider this: About one percent of America walks into a recruiter's office (regardless of branch of service) wanting to be a part of something larger than themselves. Out of that, one percent of those that walked into said office make it through basic training and AIT, and are sent off to the first duty assignment. And out of that, one percent of them would ACTUALLY go in to a Combat Theater of Operation--somebody correct me if I am wrong, please. Now, let's get to brass tax: YOU ARE A VETERAN; I AM A VETERAN. OUR JOB IS TO PROTECT THE HOMELAND, THE CONSTITUTION, AND OBEY THE ORDERS OF THOSE THAT ARE APPOINTED OVER US!!!! Just because we did not serve in combat DOES NOT MEAN our job was of lesser importance. The poor bastard who dared to question your service to this country is not worth the effort it takes to windex a pair of poorly scuffed-up clorofram shoes to wear with a business suit for a job interview. He can ONLY DREAM of signing his name on the dotted line of an enlistment contract, AND EVEN THEN, he couldn't do it without busting a nut in his tighty-whities with tears streaming from his eyes. Hell, the TAC NCO at the Reception Battalion would have him squirting buttermilk from his pores; to say NOTHING of meeting a Drill Sergeant!!!!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2015 12:16 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:16:29 -0500

Tell them that Soldiers don't makes the decisions on who goes to war or when. They follow the orders of those appointed over them and have no control over those orders.

Response by SPC Mike Eib made Feb 17 at 2015 2:04 PM

SPC Mike Eib — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:04:35 -0500

What I find important to remember is not what the general civilian population thinks, but what has been said to me numerous times by veterans from WWII, Vietnam, and up through present day veterans of the middle east wars. When I thank them for their service and sacrifice I tell them I also served during peace time thanks to the service and sacrifice they had made before me. They usually say two words after that while shaking my hand. "You served" followed by "that's the important thing". That being said, you owe an explanation to no one. Be proud to have served and give thanks to those that served and sacrificed before you so that you could serve during a time of peace.

Response by TSgt Mario Guajardo made Feb 17 at 2015 3:20 PM

TSgt Mario Guajardo — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:20:54 -0500

LTC is dead on. Don't beat yourself up over what some ignorant f%ck thinks.

Response by SPC Lee Burner made Feb 17 at 2015 3:30 PM

SPC Lee Burner — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:30:20 -0500

That's why wherever you go when you meet someone who served you form in instant bond because only those who have served understand how much we give up and the amount of bullshit we have to go through having served. Civilians don't understand it's weird but my own family rarely asks about my service so I pretty much just share that with my military friends. I deployed to Kosovo for peace keeping operations back in 2001 but never fired my weapon doesn't mean it doesn't count of course not. Don't let this moron taint your memories cause we all know that the oath still stands and I guarantee if some crap happened here at home every veteran would stand up and fight to protect this great nation. Keep your head up brother!

Response by 1LT William P. Fanning Jr. made Feb 17 at 2015 4:04 PM

1LT William P. Fanning Jr. — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:04:24 -0500

I am often in a situation where I get to meet civilians that have a real need to value your service based on their perceptions of what you did, or did not. The reality is that the deployment and and service you gave are out of your control. You stood up, swore in, put the uniform on, period - the end.

You are a true veteran in my book - I would be exceptionally proud to stand next to you and thank you for your service.

When someone asks you that next time - why don't you ask them why they never stood to serve the country that allows them to walk around and be an a-hole all day.

Response by TSgt William Lounsbery made Feb 18 at 2015 10:53 AM

TSgt William Lounsbery — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:53:59 -0500

First off, you served your country either by your volunteerism or by the unfortunate draft. You were assigned by the Department, not by your choice. The person questioning should not be judging you, either they never served or they should know why you were never deployed. your service and position were necessary and your dedication should be rewarded. Never question your worth, you are worth more than you give yourself credit for. All should be very thankful for your service to our country!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2015 11:05 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:05:38 -0500

I would have told him that the term veteran refers to a military service member who has served for a period of 6 months or more not necesarily in a combat zone. The truth is many service members never see combat. I fire fights. They still volunteered and trained for combat and that's still more than most people in this country.

Response by CW4 Aaron Rasmussen made Feb 18 at 2015 3:50 PM

CW4 Aaron Rasmussen — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:50:30 -0500

Thousands of service members, perhaps millions, never deployed into a combat zone. I joined the Army during the cold war and served through several engagements, including Iraq and Afghanistan. I never deployed to them. I did 24 years and did not serve in a combat zone. I trained and prepared for deployment my entire career. You and I were there, ready to go if needed. The call never came. We are still veterans.

Response by SPC Grace Belen made Feb 18 at 2015 4:01 PM

SPC Grace Belen — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:01:25 -0500

Don't let comments like that devalue the fact that you raised your right hand and swore to defend this nation. There are many more people out there who appreciate the time you spent in the military :)

Response by MSgt Joanna Clute made Feb 18 at 2015 7:06 PM

MSgt Joanna Clute — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:06:04 -0500

Oh, that makes me mad! We serve where we are needed, not where we can get the most glory! A person who would ask you a question like that does not understand the concept of "service" and never will. Lose no sleep on this one, you're a veteran, 100%.

Response by SSgt Lucas Dyer M.S. made Feb 18 at 2015 7:17 PM

SSgt Lucas Dyer M.S. — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:17:49 -0500

There are two different types of Vets: You have your military veteran, and you have your combat veteran. Welcome to the category of simply being a military veteran. That is still something to be proud of...however to have served, and fought for the freedom of this great nation is more rewarding. So WHEN that civilian comes up to you and asks about if you went to combat or not, you don't have to second guess yourself as to whether or not you are a real vet. You should be proud of your service, but some gave more, and most gave all. Own it. Semper Fi!

Response by LTC Donell Kelly made Feb 18 at 2015 8:28 PM

LTC Donell Kelly — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:28:27 -0500

I'd say don't respond to the ignorance. You raised your hand, swore your oath, served honorable & have a DD-214 with an honorable discharge? Then you ARE a veteran! Don't let some pin head pee in your Wheaties!

Response by SPC Deirdre Clark made Feb 19 at 2015 11:06 PM

SPC Deirdre Clark — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 23:06:52 -0500

You signed the blank check for your life, just cause Uncle Sam didn't cash it isn't your fault. Ask them if they ever served. If they say no tell them they have no right to judge.

Response by SGT Tyler G. made Feb 19 at 2015 11:15 PM

SGT Tyler G. — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 23:15:21 -0500

If they're civilian:
-Remind them that you had the initiative to sign up and they did not.
-Inform them that the military used you how it saw fit and that where you went and what you did wasn't your choice.

If they're active or prior military:
-Look them in the eyes and square yourself.
-Remind them that we all go where the military tells us, not the other way around.
-Give them time because they are obviously not yet mature enough to realize how everyone who served regardless of what they did deserves the same respect.

Response by PFC Michael Patton made Feb 21 at 2015 9:20 AM

PFC Michael Patton — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 09:20:51 -0500

I was in Germany during desert storm. they sent our gun units but chose differnt radar unit to support them in Iraq. i stayed in Germany protecting our home base and helped train countless reserve and national guard troops who came through on their way to Iraq. I am a vetern the same you and no civilian that never knew someone personally that has served will ever understand that we all wrote a check, that when cashed could mean laying down our life, when we took the oath to defend our freedom and our nation. You my friend are a vetern and deserve every rwspect that can paid someone for your service and sacrifices

Response by SSG Clint Barney made Feb 22 at 2015 10:27 PM

SSG Clint Barney — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 22:27:00 -0500

Thank you for asking this question. I survey 6 years in the national guard and have had friends die when they got deployed And I didn't. I to have been feeling that the years I did surve was a waist of time just because I never deployed. I also thank all the comets that were give. They actually made me fell like I still have some honor in the fact that served at all. Thank you all very much.

Response by SSG Eddye Royal made Feb 22 at 2015 10:35 PM

SSG Eddye Royal — Sun, 22 Feb 2015 22:35:19 -0500

The same way that I people I had a stroke from being poisoned by the oil well fires in IRAQ, gulf war. Who gives a shit, you did and doing your time for your country and get references, later in that you can not even think about young man.

Response by SGT Robert Antoine made Feb 23 at 2015 8:40 PM

SGT Robert Antoine — Mon, 23 Feb 2015 20:40:50 -0500

Alex,
first of all don`t justify a stupid comment. The question was, whether that person served? You do not need to answer stupid comments. Just smile and give that 100 mile stare.

Response by TSgt Matt Kiddoo made Feb 25 at 2015 12:01 PM

TSgt Matt Kiddoo — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 12:01:45 -0500

There is no "I" in Team...yeah I know kinda cliché, but true. Regardless of what you did in the military, you had part in the bigger picture in some way. You made the choice to serve and enlisted. The Military put you where they need you and had you do what they needed you to do.

Not everyone gets deployed to Afghanistan or Iraq. I didn't and I served years in the Air Force. I did go on three deployments(twice to Saudi Arabia & once to Iceland, plus numerous TDY's). With the exception of Desert Storm and the last three years of my career, my time in service was during what civilians would call peace time. Yet I spent years total in South Korea which technically is still at war.

Be proud of the fact that you served and were part of a honorable brotherhood, something that I'm willing to bet that person has never done. Thank you for your service!!

Response by 1SG Dave Arpin made Feb 25 at 2015 11:59 PM

1SG Dave Arpin — Wed, 25 Feb 2015 23:59:45 -0500

Never regret your service. (off topic)Most soldiers don't fully understand that if you serve an entire 20+year career in the reserves or NG, without a deployment, by definition are not veterans. This is an injustice that should be corrected. (on topic)You should never regret serving as each soldier has a part to play to make the entire machine run. Those that don't deploy still have a mission to carry on. Anyone who serves, active, reserve, NG or other military service deserve the utmost respect because they were willing to serve. NEVER be ashamed of your Service.

Response by MSgt Allan Vrboncic made Feb 26 at 2015 8:49 PM

MSgt Allan Vrboncic — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:49:42 -0500

That civilian is an idiot.

Response by MSgt Allan Vrboncic made Feb 26 at 2015 8:57 PM

MSgt Allan Vrboncic — Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:57:29 -0500

Btw. I never saw a Check Box on any forms that read "Combat Veteran." It only reads "Veteran." Thank you for your Service Veteran.

Response by PO1 Jeffrey Brown made Feb 28 at 2015 4:14 PM

PO1 Jeffrey Brown — Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:14:20 -0500

You stood up and volunteered to serve. That is more than the average person in this country does. If your unit never got deployed while you were in, that is not a hit on you. You stood willing and able to serve. Hold your head up high and know that you are just as much a veteran as anybody else that has worn the uniform.

Response by SSG Kevin Senter made Mar 2 at 2015 9:11 AM

SSG Kevin Senter — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 09:11:34 -0500

There are combat veterans and military service veterans. A veteran is any service member who honorably served their country during peace and/or war regardless of duration. Thank you for your service and being part of the 1%

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Mar 2 at 2015 12:54 PM

COL Mikel J. Burroughs — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 12:54:10 -0500

SPC Alexander Ackerman:

Thank you for your service and remember you will always be a veteran among your brother and sisters in arms.

Response by TSgt Beth Akulin made Mar 2 at 2015 1:29 PM

TSgt Beth Akulin — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 13:29:50 -0500

When I get asked this, which I have, I was medically retired after 14 years in, I calmly explain that I was willing to sign that BLANK CHECK that says I was willing to give my life for my country and anyone else that does that is a veteran. You didn't deploy because you were SELECTED to deploy, NOT because you ran, then with a straight face, I ask and WHY aren't you a veteran. Why didn't you defend our country, don't YOU love her enough? That normally shuts them up. I even get the YOU'RE a vet?? crap all the time because I'm a female vet. I've been out 22 years now and I STILL get it.

Response by LT Dale Quinlan made Mar 2 at 2015 2:05 PM

LT Dale Quinlan — Mon, 02 Mar 2015 14:05:36 -0500

This is an enduring question, with a suggested answer from John Milton some time ago:

When I consider how my light is spent
Ere half my days in this dark world and wide,
And that one Talent which is death to hide
Lodged with me useless, though my soul more bent
To serve therewith my Maker, and present
My true account, lest He returning chide,
"Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?"
I fondly ask. But Patience, to prevent
That murmur, soon replies, "God doth not need
Either man's work or his own gifts. Who best
Bear his mild yoke, they serve him best. His state
Is kingly: thousands at his bidding speed,
And post o'er land and ocean without rest;
They also serve who only stand and wait."

(My compliments to the prior post that pointed out the final phrase.)

Response by MSgt Dave Burke made Mar 4 at 2015 11:13 AM

MSgt Dave Burke — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 11:13:52 -0500

First - Civilians have no clue what it is like to even put on a uniform mush less serve time in one. Do not sweat any opinions from them! If you want, when asked such silliness you can just say that information is classified and if I told you any more I would have to kill you.

I have over 20 years in USAF and never once was deployed to a war zone. My job was in support functions maintaining systems for pay, logistics, med supply, personnel, etc. Had my team failed in our mission the ground troop would have to worry about what is going on with their family while they are out on patrol etc. How well would that bomber crew perform if they had not been paid for two months and the house was about to be foreclosed on? How well would they perform if the logistics/supply system did not provide the needed parts to maintain that aircraft? What if the munitions orders had been fouled up?

Everyone, EVERYONE in uniform performs a service that is VITAL to the overall mission and just because you did not carry a weapon into the mountains or desert or whatever does NOT discount the importance of what you did in your field. EVERYONE is important and needed! If not needed, then that position is discarded and no one is assigned to that position.

So - bottom line - If they ask you that again just say you are not at liberty to discuss your missions in uniform and let it go at that. It truly is none of their business anyway and their reaction to such a response is fun to watch!

Response by CW2 Eric Scott made Mar 4 at 2015 11:19 AM

CW2 Eric Scott — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 11:19:42 -0500

How do you deal? Easy, who gives a f$ck bro. Unless you got kicked out of the military for smoking crack with an underage Thailand boy hooker, who cares. Deploying doesn't making you a veteran. Serving your country does. If you did that be proud and drive the f$ck on.

Response by SSG Rafael Rodriguez made Mar 4 at 2015 1:06 PM

SSG Rafael Rodriguez — Wed, 04 Mar 2015 13:06:24 -0500

I tell you what to tell those people, you raised your right hand and said; "I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that i will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military justice, so help me God." You stepped up to the plate and did more than some of those who did not for their little reasons. You have served you country proudly for 3 years and hopefully you will still continue to serve, you may have that chance to go overseas and you will see that the oath you took applies either way. Stand tall and be proud of the outfit you serve as you have, as George S. Patton said; “...It is a proud privilege to be a soldier – a good soldier … [with] discipline, self-respect, pride in his unit and his country, a high sense of duty and obligation to comrades and to his superiors, and a self confidence born of demonstrated ability.”

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2015 1:04 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:04:36 -0400

I actually shared very similar feelings for a few years immediately after commissioning. Needless to say, the gold bar who hasn't deployed isn't exactly revered for his experience and life lessons (nor should he/she be!).

I was fortunate enough to deploy this last year, but even before that, I realized I had accomplished much to serve my country prior. My unit was there to help after Hurricane Sandy came through MD, DC, and New Jersey. We also helped train units getting ready to deploy in various instances as well, whether it be as OPFOR or as TAC's.

Long story short, I learned to value the fact that we have thousands of Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines who are ready and willing to deploy at any time. They may not be needed for a specific mobilization, but they are there and waiting, and that is just as important.

Response by SPC Claire Carothers made Mar 11 at 2015 2:10 PM

SPC Claire Carothers — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 14:10:47 -0400

Civilians don't know what you do, only you do, they will never get or understand. You have served, not deployed but you have served. I wouldn't worry about what the civilians think in those regards especially that one. Seriously man? When your turn comes to get deployed you'll go out there and come back home. You shouldn't feel bad not even a little bit, unless you avoid deploying which I should hope not.

Just say ya I have not had the chance to deploy yet. Leave that there for them, if they ask why, well not everyone gets a chance to deploy right away. It really depends.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2015 2:33 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 14:33:41 -0400

I was on active duty from 1960 to 1975. I did a 2 year tour in Japan. My job was one that had only one in SE Asia. If I volunteered I would have had a 5 year wait to go.

I also server 8 1/2 year in the active reserve.

My retirement letter said I had 30 years and 2 days service.

m I a veteran? You bet. Was I ever in a combat area? No.

I did my job, and I did it well. I would have done whatever was asked. Nuff said.

Response by SPC Rob Durling made Mar 11 at 2015 9:34 PM

SPC Rob Durling — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 21:34:40 -0400

I didn't deploy during Desert Storm, and while I was absolutely ready to go, I mostly have made my peace with it, and really even count myself lucky, because who knows what may have happened? I did my job, did all I was asked (and ordered!), earned my honorable discharge, and I'm pretty damned happy with my life. I figure you'll eventually get to a point in your life where you will see it in a similar light. Besides, there will be plenty of goofy questions from civilians to look forward to in the future; after enough of them you just shrug your shoulders and mutter a noncommittal answer. Works for me!

Response by SSgt June Worden made Mar 12 at 2015 7:43 AM

SSgt June Worden — Thu, 12 Mar 2015 07:43:30 -0400

Most of us who served during the Cold War never deployed to a theatre of battle either... Your contribution was to ensure that those that did deploy were well supported to the best of your ability. Military service is a team effort! You were a valuable part of that team. Never forget that, and don't put any stock into the ignorance of civilians. Chin up soldier and carry on!!!

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2015 3:40 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 Mar 2015 15:40:27 -0400

mouse over the persons name and hit /Ignore. Really people that question your service are stupid don't give them the satisfaction of knowing it bothered you. Bottom line you volunteered, made it through basic training and did your time.

Some gave all but all gave some.

Response by SSgt Stevan Auldridge made Mar 14 at 2015 12:54 PM

SSgt Stevan Auldridge — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 12:54:11 -0400

Deploying is just an extension of your job as your job in the military requires. Serving and being a veteran is having the sack to raise your hand to begin with and throw caution to the wind for your country.

Response by PO1 John Meyer, CPC made Mar 14 at 2015 1:56 PM

PO1 John Meyer, CPC — Sat, 14 Mar 2015 13:56:54 -0400

Said the civilians who never raised their right hand and never said...

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

So in a nutshell.... Piss on what any civilian who has never served and has NO idea what it means to serve has to say.

You can turn their comments around by asking, "So when did you take your Oath of Enlistment?" You can follow up with, "Oh, you didn't? Then shut up!" and walk away with your head held high because you did.

Response by PFC Mike Mcdermott made Mar 28 at 2015 11:30 PM

PFC Mike Mcdermott — Sat, 28 Mar 2015 23:30:25 -0400

So what if you didn't deploy. You're a vet.

Response by SPC Donald Tribble made Mar 29 at 2015 1:07 AM

SPC Donald Tribble — Sun, 29 Mar 2015 01:07:21 -0400

I have always downplayed my service time because I served during peacetime. I was in between Grenada and Operation Just Cause. I am involved in working with Veterans who have PTSD/TBI from Vietnam through the current GWOT. I made friends with a Marine (Mike) from Vietnam. One day in group we were discussing what it means to be a Veteran. When it was my turn I did my usual, Well I served my time, but didn't really do anything speech. Now I'm Army and never really interacted much with Marines except on a couple of JTX's but Mike laid into me as only a Marine can. We served, in particular I volunteered. We are in the top 1%. Whether we actually went into combat or not we stood in the breech ready to defend this country down to our lives. Some had to some didn't but we were there ready to. It is something to be proud of and as always we honor those who have gone before and always have our buddies back.

Response by SGT Mark Odegaard made Apr 1 at 2015 11:40 AM

SGT Mark Odegaard — Wed, 01 Apr 2015 11:40:29 -0400

It's easy/you served!! Even as a 1 time combat 6 months in 20 years of service, I still applaud all those who serve 180 days or more. Remember it's not wether you go to combat/or if you kill or don't , it's that you signed the blank check placing your life before everyone else's in this great nation!!!! I say THANKS, for serving!!!!

Response by SSG William Rhodes made Apr 1 at 2015 11:55 AM

SSG William Rhodes — Wed, 01 Apr 2015 11:55:59 -0400

Wow, I know how you felt because that's how I felt in the eyes of the big Army since I was in the national guard or as we are also known "weekend warriors", "Nasty girls" no respect whatever but at any moment notice you were ready to answer that call after you raised your righthand and put that uniform on, so you should be proud that you are part of the 2-3% of the population that is ready to protect our country. So next time someone ask you that again, that's what you tell them that

Response by MAJ Monique Ruiz made Apr 1 at 2015 12:06 PM

MAJ Monique Ruiz — Wed, 01 Apr 2015 12:06:21 -0400

I know how you feel.

I told my 1SG that I was going to start looking for a slot to get promoted. He asked,"do you really think you deserve it?" I said "of course I do because I am not a typical reservist. I go above and beyond what is asked of me. I work when I need to, not to get paid." He said,"you haven't deployed so you haven't sacrificed anything." I was stunned by his comment.

I am Hispanic. Hispanics are family-oriented. We do everything together. We find reasons to be together. A baby learns to crawl, we have a party. Someone makes honor roll, we have a party. Someone passes gas, we have a party! Lol... I missed birthdays, anniversaries, weddings, funerals, first communions, and missing my church every Sunday that I have duty on the weekends.

No one can determine what matters most to you (values and beliefs). In my eyes, I make a sacrifice everyday for my duty. My daughter is neglected most of all because I work so much off the payroll and attend school. I try to make quality time with the time I do spend with her. I pray hard every time someone tries to tell me that I don't sacrifice anything so I don't run my mouth off. Haha!

I have deployed, but I'm criticized because it "wasn't a real deployment." I'm sorry they feel that way, but I didn't have to deployed to be shot at. I lived in conditions where my bed was staged below the window while drive-by shootings happen in front of my house. Fights that break out on my street and include anyone else walking on the street to prove that it's their territory.

The best you can do is know yourself. Stay true to who you are and your purpose. Don't let anyone else tell you otherwise. Never engage in a debate. Simply say, "well that's your opinion. Have a nice day! :)" walk away with your head up.

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Apr 2 at 2015 11:08 AM

SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 11:08:47 -0400

Back in my day it took 7 to field 1.
I should think that now days that number would be bigger.
The fact that you served made the sharp end sharper.
And for that alone this nation owes you a debt of gratitude.

Remember - getting shot just ain't that great!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 2 at 2015 12:55 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 12:55:24 -0400

Deploying was one of the most liberating things I have done in my life. I think if you feel that way you should volunteer to go. Even uncle sam only gives me 50% veteran status currently because of my lack of service time and deployment. Does that make me half a veteran? Its hard to say. Youve made it thru basic and are now doing a job for the united states military. How about the many contractors that have spent years overseas and risking their lives are they veterans? I think the willingness to go when the time comes is what makes you a veteran. There is a feeling of wholeness when I received my first shoulder sleave insignia. I also know I can endure thru anything. The day you volunteered to put yourself in that risk holding pattern is the day you became a veteran.

Response by SSG Donald Mceuen made Apr 9 at 2015 10:35 PM

SSG Donald Mceuen — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 22:35:44 -0400

you got up put on your uniform and did your job and all time knowing you could be deployed ask them what did you do for your country. we also have to stay state side
and protect

Response by Sgt Frank Rinchich made Apr 9 at 2015 11:02 PM

Sgt Frank Rinchich — Thu, 09 Apr 2015 23:02:20 -0400

You respond to this by telling them you signed on the dotted line, to give your life or limbs to your country if needed, just so happens you did not have to do so, bur was ready when ordered. keep in mind that you were of a few that was willing to do that. I am not sure of the % of enlistments but its very low, so the people that ask you that, probably had no gonads to sign on that dotted line, you can hold your head up. let tongues wag you gave your time and would have given more if asked. Your brothers in arms will back you and that's all that should matter I for one salute you for your service..

Response by CPT Ahmed Faried made Apr 10 at 2015 5:07 PM

CPT Ahmed Faried — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:07:38 -0400

Well, assuming this actually happened. That is, a civilian who never served had the gall to question your service, this is what I'd advise:

1) Ask them which unit they were with. Tongue in cheek way of telling them to go fornicate with themselves. At least you served and that means at any given time if the order came you would go wherever your nation needed you.

2) Drop some factoids on them. The vast majority of those who don the uniform never deploy. Even among the 56,000 Infantrymen, those who are supposed to be the proverbial boots on the ground, only a slim majority deploy.

3) Just walk away, you know your worth. You don't need someone leagues below you to attempt to appraise it.

Climb to Glory!.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2015 5:13 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:13:19 -0400

10 years in service and never deployed to a combat AOR. All the times i volunteered it was because i was inexperienced enough or got taken off the schedule or politics (yes, i got taken off a deployment just because someone who didnt wanted to go at first now suddenly wanted to go and he was the favorite of the "big wigs". But to stay on the subject, you did a hell of a lot much more in those 3 years than that civilian has done in his entire lifetime. Be proud that you wore the uniform. Dont let mo no one take that away from you.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 10 at 2015 5:14 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:14:22 -0400

First of all when I meet military members who did not deploy in wartime, I tell them that is a good thing. Being in the military is like a bad lottery. Sometimes you go to war and sometimes you don't. Screw their thoughts as they are judgmental idiots for not knowing the inherent risks faced by the different branches.

Response by SGT Joe Sabedra made Apr 10 at 2015 5:15 PM

SGT Joe Sabedra — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:15:48 -0400

You signed a blank check to this country with your life as collateral.

You served your term and were honorably discharged.

That we were not in a conflict does not change your stays as a veteran.

To some one who never took that oath or have up 90% of the freedoms we are here still to protect. I say if you doubt my status and you did not at a minimum complete the above then you are not my equal.

I AM A VETERAN.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2015 5:16 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:16:45 -0400

you served your country when others are scared to you put your ass on the line for others at any given time you will get orders to go to combat you're on standby mode you are a soldier and thank you for your service

Response by SFC Stephen King made Apr 10 at 2015 5:33 PM

SFC Stephen King — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:33:34 -0400

Less than 1% of Americans serve and 7% of today's Society as a whole have served. It matters not whether you deployed it is the fact that you raised your hand to be part of a team. I would like to thank you for your serve and forget the naysayers.

Response by SPC David S. made Apr 10 at 2015 5:37 PM

SPC David S. — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 17:37:31 -0400

I would have responded with "Well I swore an oath and I was willing to deploy and willing to lay down my life for this country. Humnm, that is however an excellent question." I would then point the individual to the nearest recruiter and say "Maybe the guys over at the recruiting station can answer that for you." Give a 1000 yard stare and them ask if they need a ride over to the station.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2015 11:09 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 23:09:10 -0400

Be proud you are part of the 1% who are brave enough to raise there right ✋

Response by SGT Vanessa Elias made Apr 11 at 2015 12:12 AM

SGT Vanessa Elias — Sat, 11 Apr 2015 00:12:42 -0400

I too was a Veteran and never deployed. Most service-members and civilians think that my MOS wasn't even a real MOS. Although the Army Band strictly had a music mission, there were actually division bands that deployed for OIF and OEF. 82nd Airborne has a band, 3rd ID has a band, 10th Mountain has a band, as well as all the major ones like that. All those division bands deployed with their respective divisions and kept the morale alive in theatre playing for Soldiers, Marines and Airmen, keeping them entertained and maybe giving them a break mentally when they had downtime. The band would play inside chow halls for everyone and put on small concerts, even performing CoC ceremonies out there. If you weren't in a division band you were back stateside or in Garrison, doing the same mission, and playing for Soldiers returning from deployment once they stepped off a C-130. Standing outside for hours waiting for the arrival of these troops was so worth it and I wouldn't change that for anything. Seeing their faces and giving us applause when they stepped off that plane was an honor because it meant that they respected what we did. We would also play concerts on post for the military community and keeping the morale alive as well. Some band members actually earned a CAB a few years ago when they were attached to and on a convoy and their convoy got hit, causing them to engage in live fire. Even though I never went to a division and was strictly Garrison for the time i served, I felt that I contributed as much as I was able to. So if anyone ever questions your service and state that you are not a Veteran, don't believe them. I get it all the time, and I have to reassure myself every now and then that they don't know what my service meant and can never know unless they serve and sign that contract.

Response by SPC Jacob Vanderlei made Apr 11 at 2015 10:24 AM

SPC Jacob Vanderlei — Sat, 11 Apr 2015 10:24:43 -0400

A veteran is a person who wrote a blank check to the United States of America for an amount up to and including one's life. Just because you didn't deploy to a combat zone doesn't mean you didn't volunteer yourself to do so if it came to that. This person either is an uneducated naïve veteran or someone who never served. Either way, let it role off you like water off a ducks back. You're a veteran. Be proud.

Response by SGT Chris McDaniel made Apr 12 at 2015 6:13 PM

SGT Chris McDaniel — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 18:13:13 -0400

Just own it brother. Civilians are dumb.

I deployed and I hate talking to civilians about it. It starts with them asking if I deployed. I say yes. Then it's "did you kill anyone?" Or "did you see your friends die?" I say I didn't kill anyone and rarely had cause to fire my weapon, and then primarily to warn haji's to stop driving to my checkpoint.

Then. They say "I never served, but I couldn't (flat feet, can't take getting yelled at, bad knees, too smart... Blah blah blah".

It just goes downhill really. They try to justify or prove their masculinity to me--though they don't need to. It's uncomfortable.

There are so many stereotypes of what military service means. One of my cousins told me once, I wasn't really a "war vet" because I never "shot my gun".

Just accept that those that haven't served don't get it. I appreciate your service. We all served. All gave some. Whether you were an infantry guy or a clerk. Everyone has a part. Not everyone gets deployed. Be glad you missed it, Iraq sucked--and Afghanistan doesn't sound better.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2015 6:48 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 18:48:34 -0400

I beleieve the only person who could ever judge your worth as a soldier is yourself. You know your true level of integrity and honor whatever it may be and that your time for a deployment will come when it is your time! Don't stress it, I've been on two deployments and I would still be the same soldier/leader without them, minus true experience...the honor stays the same...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2015 7:30 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 19:30:56 -0400

You are a veteran because you raised your hand and volunteered to join the military. You may not be a combat veteran but a veteran non the less.

Response by PO3 Tanis Huston made Apr 12 at 2015 9:49 PM

PO3 Tanis Huston — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 21:49:36 -0400

I have seen some wonderfully put opinions here. Coming from some who spent the first 4 years of my enlistment in school then stationed in Annapolis MD, then back to school before I hit the fleet. I used to ponder the same question and it was me asking not some civilian. I was told by an Officer once that everyone has their job. Whether it's state side or deployed without each and everyone one of us doing our part there would be a short coming somewhere. I realized in that moment that he was right. I wasn't just a ENFN that was putting equipment on the sail boats for Midshipman, I was checking that equipment to make sure it was safe, I was making sure they had everything they needed to go out in those boats and learn something that would make them an effective leader someday. We all have our job no matter how small or no matter the location we are all a puzzle piece in the bigger picture, and without you it wouldn't be a complete picture.

Response by SGT Francis Wright made Apr 12 at 2015 9:53 PM

SGT Francis Wright — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 21:53:37 -0400

Just remember our Uncle sends us where he needs us. Not everyone gets to go to the box.

Response by SPC Edward Tapper made Apr 12 at 2015 11:34 PM

SPC Edward Tapper — Sun, 12 Apr 2015 23:34:25 -0400

SPC Private RallyPoint Member, allow me to introduce myself. Hello. I am a U.S. Army veteran. It's nice to meet you. Oh, really? You spent 3 years in the Army, as well? Well in that case, nice to meet a fellow veteran and brother.
I went to basic training for 8 weeks at Ft. Jackson, SC. Then AIT for 13 weeks at Ft. Dix, NJ. Then my ASI school (H8 - Wheeled Vehicle Recovery Specialist) for 2 weeks at Ft. Dix, NJ. Then the remainder of my 3 years of Active Duty at Hunter Army Air Field, GA. My entire Active Duty enlistment was spent state-side. Was I a veteran? YES!
After my Active Duty service, I spent the next 3 years in the NC ARNG, during which time I was deployed to Saudi Arabia in support of Operations Desert Shield, Desert Storm and Provide Comfort. Am I a war veteran? YES! Do I view you any differently than a deployed veteran? NO!
NOW, let me tell you where I was going with this. I went to basic training and so did you. I went to AIT and so did you. I wore the Army Service Ribbon and so did you. I served 3 years state-side and so did you. I took an oath to protect the freedom of civillians to be, act and do stupid, to the very best of their ability and so did you. I am a U,S, Army veteran amd SO ARE YOU! Don't ever feel that you have to justify your veteran status to a civilian that never cared enough about our country to serve and protect her. You're a veteran and I'm proud to say that you're my brother. Thank you for your service to my homeland, that I dearly love.

In His Service,
Pastor Edward L. Tapper

Response by PO2 Timothy Langion made Apr 13 at 2015 12:55 AM

PO2 Timothy Langion — Mon, 13 Apr 2015 00:55:00 -0400

I was on both sides,I was on a ship first 8 years then a fast team in country. I never (I think) killed anyone, and a little was anti terror security for other combat units.Anyway I've been asked the question and I got sent a post from a friend on vets day that said it perfectly. I can't remember exactly but it went like this and I would repeat it and ask after what did you do??
It said when I joined the military, I signed a check made out to our government and country, in the amount of my life!!
(Something like that)
Usually shut them right up.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2015 10:02 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 10:02:41 -0400

I know the feeling. I'm coming up on 3yeas and I haven't deployed. However, after asking m peer oh has deployed what he thought he replied with "even though you didn't go down range you are still supporting the mission while in garrison. Without you here, the mission would fail." I would like to deploy but if my number won't be pulled in my time in the army, I took the oath and represented the army to the best of my ability.

Response by SFC Gary (Bigsarge) Portier USARMY RET. made Apr 15 at 2015 4:19 PM

SFC Gary (Bigsarge) Portier USARMY RET. — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 16:19:31 -0400

I know just how you feel, I put in 32 years and at no fault if my own I did not deploy either. Yes I mobbed for a short time, but with other Soldiers, Civilians, and The VA it means nothing. My family is glad I didn't and call it a blessing, Tho I disagree and it's not like I did not try. I am now Medically retired which the VA will not except. My greatest regret is not deploying, because I didn't VA do not see me as a Disabled Vet, even tho DoD does. I find that to be a slap in the face.

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Apr 15 at 2015 4:42 PM

CWO2 Shelby DuBois — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 16:42:20 -0400

I asked a young guy who sent me a resume if he was a veteran and he said no. He said he was a member of the Natl. Guard and that a vet rep at a state employment office told him he wasn't a vet because he had never deployed. Deployed to where? A combat zone trip is now the only true measure of a member of the armed services? When did they start that? Guess that will relieve the VA hospital issues since a vast majority of the military never..ever.. sees combat. Guess all the sailors in those subs and carriers and other ships are never going to be veterans. Those airmen who support satellite launchs, monitor communications, fly bombers and recon and even hurricane hunters.. they are not vets either. And all the support folks in supply and maintenence who put in the 100 hours of work for the 2 hour flight some jet jockey pulls for a mission.. they are not vets..can't be. Look, as a career Marine I totally understand the desire and willingness to go do your part and willingly put yourself at the front, but reality is that we go where we're told, when to go, how to get there. For those civilians and a lot of misinformed military the impulse answer when told that you are not a vet is 'go f*&^ yourself ahole.".but clean it up and say "why don't you go away and get educated on the subject then come back and we'll have an intelligent conversation on the subject."

Response by SPC John Decker made Apr 15 at 2015 5:13 PM

SPC John Decker — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 17:13:26 -0400

We volunteered, we went through training, we wore the uniform, we went where we were told to go. WE SERVED. WE ARE VETERANS. Don't let anyone tell you different.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2015 5:38 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 17:38:12 -0400

I've used the reply- "It's easy. They are handing out DD-214s.
All you have to do is 'raise your hand'.
In fact, I have some time, I can drive you down to the office right now...".

So far, nobody has wanted the ride.
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Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2015 5:57 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 17:57:22 -0400

First ask that person if they served in the military. Then ask them how the military would work if everyone was in the sandbox. Usually civilians will make those remarks without any knowledge of how the military works, what the definition of veteran is or the knowledge that the deployment cycle has cut way back in the last 5 years making it so only a fraction of those that even want to deploy can actually do so. If they still don't shut their pie-hole, then ask them when the report for initial entry training and when they expect to deploy.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2015 5:57 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 17:57:34 -0400

Some positions do not deploy.

Although 85-90% of our ICBM's are Submarine Launched, the balance are ground silo launched. The only place these folks "deploy" is five hundred meters beneath good 'ole USA concrete and dirt. Most of us are happy they are HERE. We serve in many capacities, I know Troops that should not have deployed, yet did with minor contributions.

Give it a little more time, the question becomes moot . . . trust me.

Response by SPC Angel Guma made Apr 15 at 2015 6:12 PM

SPC Angel Guma — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 18:12:23 -0400

This is no consolation for you, but even if you had deployed, the judgemental pecking order would still exist. Then it comes down to:

1. Were you Special Forces or not?
a. Navy Seal (most glamorous)
b. Green Beret (Gotta include a grungy hardcore beard)
c. Ranger (Did you film out all battles on your iPhone? Because it is NOT cool if you didn't include raging battles on your iPhone)

2. What branch were you?
a. Usually there is a close competition between Army and Marines for shitty/hardcore deployment stories but civilians seem to give most deference to Marines.
b. Air Force and Navy deployments simply do not count as much in a civilian's eyes despite the fact they both pull shitty stints while deployed.

3. They will assume you have PTSD from the start without bothering to educate themselves on what this is.

4. If you do have 'stories', they won't listen to you if you weren't any of the hardcore special forces listed above, but you are always better off not talking about deployment experiences anyways, no matter how mundane and even boring most of it is.

5. Last but not least, if you do not have some vitrolic political stance, you are not worth your weight.

Being deployed or not will not stop the silly civilian comments.

Response by PO3 Sherry Thornburg made Apr 15 at 2015 6:18 PM

PO3 Sherry Thornburg — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 18:18:24 -0400

I had an old salty retired chief that worked for the base MWR made some sour comments about my having a service ribbon without actually going overseas or on a ship. Him I ignored. I was there, doing my part in the capacity I was assigned during the Gulf War. The powers that be wouldn't have authorized it for all if they didn't consider shore based personal important to the mission.

Response by SPC Ramon De Leon made Apr 15 at 2015 7:24 PM

SPC Ramon De Leon — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 19:24:03 -0400

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Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2015 7:36 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 19:36:09 -0400

Don't let them get to you.. The fact that anyone even questions if you served just because you never were overseas shows just how truly ignorant they are. No matter your job or whether you deployed does not matter any more than what you had for dinner last night... You served as a PART of the United States military. Whether you kicked in doors or wrote up paperwork you were an essential part of the mission. without admin, the infantry cant get paid properly; without transport they would have to walk everywhere; without intel they would roam the desert aimlessly and without supply and logistics, they would do it with no ammo or food. Every small piece, no matter its location serves its part and that makes you a veteran same as the infantry you supported.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2015 7:55 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 19:55:35 -0400

I just looked up the definition of Veteran...and Merriam says, " A former member of the Armed Services". So you are a Veteran. If you raised your right hand and took the oath I took, and did so in a time of war, then you deserve respect.

Response by SPC Cassi Wyckoff made Apr 15 at 2015 8:36 PM

SPC Cassi Wyckoff — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 20:36:08 -0400

My sister has the same problem, both my dad and I are army veterans that have been deployed. She was in the air guard for six years and never deployed. It is hard for her, she constantly compares our experiences. Funny thing is I do the same thing. I feel my deployment wasn't shit because I was inside the wire the whole time. I try to keep in mind what my dad says. We all raised our hand and took the same oath. We all signed a check to the government in the amount of our life. Some just never for cashed.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2015 10:16 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 22:16:22 -0400

I had a lot of guys in my Reserve Drill Sergeant unit (E/4/323 - 98DIV) who ragged me hard as a group for being a "slick sleeve." You can't help what you aren't given. My mobilization as a reservist was being sent to MAMC to back fill the active component sent forward with the combat support hospital. I also happened to leave one unit who happened to deploy to Iraq the next year and joined one that just finished their year on the trail pushing troops at Benning. Higher ups don't tell who is going when far enough in advance to allow us to put the foot in the door.

Those same guys (prior AD INF) who ragged me hard as a group individually said they wish they were in my shoes and never had the experiences they did!

Response by SSG Ronald Williams made Apr 15 at 2015 11:31 PM

SSG Ronald Williams — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 23:31:45 -0400

Many veterans and civilians do not understand that for Cold War veterans combat would have meant failure. Our mission was stability and peace through deterrence, on a scale much larger than the Middle East. If NATO had not presented such a formidable opponent we would be living in a much different world, with far less people in it. Take pride in your service and sacrifice, what is in your heart is all that matters.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2015 11:58 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 23:58:58 -0400

Who cares. This person, like many civilians is about as smart as box of grid squares. If this was a person that is important to you in some way, explain that a veteran is a person that took the time to do something great by joining the military and completing their service. Not going to a war zone does not take that away. If they are not walk away before the stupid rubs off.

Response by SGT Timothy Coleman made Apr 16 at 2015 12:05 AM

SGT Timothy Coleman — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 00:05:08 -0400

Atleast you put yourself in a position to fight, what did that prick do while you were wearing your uniform?
I was never deployed either, I put 11 years in. Someone has to stay in the rear and keep the homefront safe, either way you are serving your country where you are needed.

Response by SGT Neil Chandler made Apr 16 at 2015 12:13 AM

SGT Neil Chandler — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 00:13:52 -0400

You, God and your family know you took the oath and served, that's all that matters. Plus, I completely agree with LTC Stoneking.....

Response by SPC Danny Cannon made Apr 16 at 2015 3:26 AM

SPC Danny Cannon — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 03:26:08 -0400

Double post on accident. Please ignore with my apologies.

Response by SPC Danny Cannon made Apr 16 at 2015 4:17 AM

SPC Danny Cannon — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 04:17:37 -0400

In reference to the post by Michael Landis and replied to by SPC Nick O'Rourke replied... Your just going to disagree so don't bother reading this. I have strong opinions about this and it's not a short read. You may skip straight to the bottom because you won't want to read the middle. It might change your mind. Or not.

TO THOSE WHO THINK VETERANS' service doesn't count unless they serve in a warzone, during a time of war, sit down before starting. But I already told you not to read this. So consider yourself warned.

I served in the Army from 1992-1997. I joined a National Guard Unit that was deployed when I signed up.. BECAUSE it was deployed and I wanted to go to Iraq. The month I got there(88M for 1087 Trans Co. in Vidalia, LA), they were IN processing and debriefing. I got to clean up everything as an E-3(college time=higher rank but not more respect) who was the ONLY person in that unit that did not deploy. I had everything of any value stolen from me on my second drill. I took the issue to Top and he advised against me stirring up trouble. I lost my class ring and a State Championship ring. A year later I was told who took them. I confronted him in front of some other soldiers and they all jumped me. He admitted to doing it. Is this how you deployed people treat new soldiers? Because you seem like the type based on your post.

I stood in formation the next morning with a black eye. I got written up for being out of uniform. My first Article 15(NJP). Because I tried to get my stolen goods back. But the theives served with honor because they got deployed. **ACCORDING TO SPC Nick O'Rourke** my service is not as valid as the guys who beat me up. ^see comment on Rally Points Facebook page^

I left the National Guard to join up for full-time active duty.
I couldn't pick my unit. I requested Hawaii, Germany, and Korea on my entry form because there were units deployed from there when I joined.
I got sent to Fort Sill, OK.

While I was there, I requested every off-post detail that came up. I volunteered for every off-post deployment and duty that came to our unit. We (15tj Trans Co. STICK AND MOVE!) sent soldiers to Rwanda, Kuwait, Croatia/ Bosnia/ Herzegovina(sp?) and various CONUS missions and overseas deployments. I got put in the Arms Room and labeled un-deployable because my Captain wouldn't assign me an assistant armorer. When I ETS'd, they did not have anyone authorized by the Provost Marshall to enter the company arms room.

I know this isn't as big as Katrina but I got sent (not deployed on paper, volunteered by my CoC) to respond to an act of Domestic Terrorism. I jumped at the chance!

I got to do clean-up and rescue at the Oklahoma City Bombing. I picked up pieces of American children and adults onsite at the Alfred P Murrow building downtown and smell cement dust and rotting flesh for two weeks... after helping attempt to patch up the few living people I saw who staggered around with wounds I didn't know people could have, in places I had never dreamed people ever got wounds. I saw the insides of live people and dead people. I'm not a medical student. I didn't want to know what brains really looked like. Or large intestines. Or, well, anything else for that matter. But I did it anyway. Kept wrapping ridiculous amounts of gauze around his head, hoping that it would save him. He was already dead.
And after the first few hours of that, I got grilled for several hours by the FBI/CIA / all of those agencies with random pieces of the alphabet in their names. All because I was a prospect for the LINE-UP of Terry Nichols. I really thought that they thought I had done it. Turns out I looked exactly like him. I was in the Arms room and could prove it.

Then I got to go straight back out and start helping again. I still wake up with cold sweats and nightmares that follow me for days. I still freak out when I see demolition and smell concrete dust, I used to be worthless for the rest of the day.
Now my medicines help me get functional again within about an hour.
I still see a little girl's pink converse Chuck Taylor with a foot and ankle in it as it sits in my hand sideways and barely hangs over the edge on both sides. My boys wore that size when they were about 5 years old... but they have always had large feet. I see that pink shoe everyday. Have seen it every day since then.

I quit telling people about it so I could stop having to drive an hour to the VA hospital once a month and miss work to tell someone about how I don't want to kill myself or my family, that I don't still see that stupid, pink, tiny, single, bloody Converse. I never found the other shoe.
And I don't want to hurt anyone... just the opposite. I want to protect them and every other child I see. I am a year and a half away from a degree in teaching Special Education.

But I didn't deploy. So my service,
**according to SPC Nick O'Rourke **(see above)

is invalid because I didn't go overseas to a war zone and see and shoot people and have to deal with watching fellow Americans die. Solid reasoning, would you say?
I guess that means I don't deserve my disability... cause I didn't experience the horrors of deployment. And I must be faking that back injury that I got when I was active, too, right Nick? Cause you can't prove back pain, right?
Does it anger you SPC Nick O'Rourke, that I am using Chapter 31 to finish college? Look it up. I've shared enough with you already.
AND IN SPITE OF ALL OF THAT---
I'm really am still embarrassed when somebody throws out that I am not a "real" veteran because I didn't serve on an overseas deployment. Because I tried so hard to be a real soldier.

I hear this way too much:
"Oh! You're a veteran? What war did you serve in? I didn't know you served in a war! That's cool! Did you kill anybody?"
I usually just walk away in shame. It's not worth the look of let down when they find out I'm not a "real" veteran. You know, a WAR vet.

SPC Nick O'Rourke, and everyone who agrees with you, I that pray you eventually understand.
Until then, I'll just keep doing my thing anyway. I am taking actions to help people because of what I experienced.

What are you doing with your status as a valid member/veteran of the U.S. Armed Forces? What are you doing to continue to be a sheepdog? With your status as a "real veteran"? Are you supporting you fellow service members now?

I never claimed to be a special forces guy. I'm just proud that I was able to serve as a soldier, in any capacity. All I guess I did was teach privates, city slickers, kids, knuckleheads and buck lieutenants how to shoot their assigned weapons.

I know many people who wanted to serve but were not physically able to even get past MEPS.

I'm proud of my sister-in-law Sabra Overby, who is serving "around" Kuwait right now.
She is a female deployed with a front line Cav Scout Unit from Ft. Carson because nobody will ever be able to say such thoughtless remarks to her. She is deployed in a war zone, with a Combat Arms unit, so that makes her a "real vet", right? But if she had stayed state-side - she would not be in that case, right Nick?
Unless, of course, you think she didn't earn the title because she is a •female• in a Combat Arms unit.

I won't call those who disagree with me a bad name.
If they served in any branch, I call them fellow veterans, brothers or sisters.
If they didn't, I call them a civilian as I ask them for a #1 with a medium Dr. Pepper.

Response by SPC David Wyckoff made Apr 16 at 2015 10:08 AM

SPC David Wyckoff — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 10:08:50 -0400

SPC Alexander Ackerman,
I just wanted to tell you that you are not alone in your consternation. I have three kids, they have all served. The oldest, my son, was active AF. The youngest, my daughter, was active Army. Both have done deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. They are the sixth generation of our family to have served in a combat zone. From the time they were young I have always told my kids whatever I knew about our family's military history. I felt it was important in order to honor the memory of not only our family, but the memory of all those who served. In this case, it might have backfired.
My other daughter chose to join the Air National Guard and didn't deploy. Her now ex-husband, who was a Marine, convinced her that she wasn't a "real" veteran. I haven't been able to convince her that she has every right to be proud of her service. I guess I'm just her Dad and she thinks I 'm just biased because I love her.
As LTC Stoneking pointed out she raised her hand and volunteered, which the majority of people don't.
I guess I'm hoping, that as a stranger to you, I will be able to convince you that your service counts. I hope you will understand that I recognize your service as valid and honorable (not that my validation is needed or necessary) and I am proud to call you brother.

As to your question, say nothing. Smile, walk away and know in your heart that you have a uniformed family that has your back.

There is a cliche that says, for those that have not served there is no explanation, for those who have...one is not necessary.

Edited add on: If you feel you MUST give them a response of some kind...
You: What unit were you with?
them: I didn't go in the military.
You: Ah, so you didn't even serve, much less deploy. Good to know.

Then drop your mic and walk away...as someone else said.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Apr 16 at 2015 10:21 AM

SrA Edward Vong — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 10:21:18 -0400

Legally, anyone who has served for a certain amount of time is granted the veteran status. To me though, anyone who has raise their right hand and took the oath is automatically granted the veteran status, whether legally or not. Even though one may not have been deployed, everyone has done their part in one way or another. Even though one isn't a combat veteran, they are still a veteran.

Response by CPT Bob Moore made Apr 16 at 2015 4:03 PM

CPT Bob Moore — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 16:03:40 -0400

""How are you even a veteran then? You didn't even serve your country." I just stood there like a deer in headlights because I had no idea how to respond to that. The worst part was that I had this feeling that he was right, and it's been eating me up since."

You signed up and were willing to go. That's enough. Most of the population never even does that. Your character of service is more important to me that where your service was.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 16 at 2015 7:37 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 19:37:12 -0400

You are a veteran. No you have not served in combat but you are a veteran all the same. There soldiers now that have deployed and been outside the wire yet never fired a shot. Just remember, you may not have deployed but you took a stand and volunteered knowing it was a possibility. Boom.

Response by PO2 Brian Marshall made Apr 17 at 2015 12:01 AM

PO2 Brian Marshall — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 00:01:16 -0400

Everyone who served was willing to give their life for their brothers and sisters AND their country. Some fulfilled it, some did not. I was a YN, how do you think I feel!? I deployed, volunteered for combat, but low and behold was never provided the opportunity. SEMPER FORTIS.

Response by FN Jayme Blair made Apr 17 at 2015 12:11 AM

FN Jayme Blair — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 00:11:23 -0400

If you decided to sign on that dotted line to serve your country, and protect your family from enemies foreign and domestic you are a veteran.

Response by A1C Charles D Wilson made Apr 17 at 2015 12:50 AM

A1C Charles D Wilson — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 00:50:23 -0400

This can be a pain. I ask them back "Did you get nuked?" I was a cold war Veteran and did my job. But you are right it does sting some.

Response by SPC Bill Smith made Apr 17 at 2015 10:34 AM

SPC Bill Smith — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 10:34:44 -0400

Brother it doesn't matter if you deployed or not, you served your country and was willing to deploy! So the next time a civilian questions you about your service ask them about their service and what they are willing to do.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2015 11:30 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 11:30:05 -0400

What can you do? I joined to be elbow-deep in someone's belly in the middle of a combat zone (ah, to be young). Ended up on the other side of the continent giving colonels tylenol and checking SMs for STDs. Just know you did your job well. I hope that's enough for you. Sometimes it's enough for me, and the other times I just don't think about it (or drink heavily).

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2015 11:39 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 11:39:26 -0400

SPC Private RallyPoint Member Myself and a friend both took basic at Fort Polk, La. I went to Vietnam. He spent his entire time at Fort Polk. Do I look down on him? No. Why should I? He didn't cut his orders, Uncle Spam did. Ask those that ask you, why didn't you serve. Why were you so special you didn't consider it? YOU SERVED HONORABLY. That's all you need to reply.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2015 12:10 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:10:35 -0400

SPC Private RallyPoint Member , the REMF slogan was used by combat troops because they were jealous or ignorant. It takes an entire military division to keep the wheels greased so everything runs as smooth as possible. The worst person to PO is the paymaster. Do not worry about the civvies. They are as ignorant as to what keeps a military working, as they are asking the question.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2015 12:43 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:43:15 -0400

Service to your country is valid as long as it was in an honorable fashion.

Veterans who deployed need to get off their "High Horse" and pull their heads out of their asses and realize that prior to 1991 the vast majority of active duty, and I do mean vast majority had not deployed or been in a war zone and hell up until 2001 most of the folks retiring had never seen service in a combat zone or on foreign soil. Also they need to realize that deploying to Germany is not the same as going to IraQ or Afghanistan (but that is another thread.)

Anyone who does not realize that the medical taking care of my child in the US is just as important as one taking care of me down range is an idiot.

This applies to all AFSCs.....a solider will not fight if he does not believe his/her family is being cared for. He/she also will not fight if there is no guarantee of supplies, food, and munitions coming do the line.

This sort of "P#@!$" measuring needs to end and folks both military and civilian need to understand that honorable service is the most we can ask of a solider. It was not your choice where Uncle Sam determined he needed you most, but it was your choice to do that job honorably and with pride.

Side note….one of the hardest jobs in the service is probably at Dover AFB working with the Mortuary Affairs folks…..would anyone dare say the fine folks that help process and move our fallen hero’s along to their final resting places are not “serving” their country….but again I digress

Bottom line is this.....No matter what your AFSC (MOS) as long as you served honorably and performed the tasks that were asked of you with professionalism and pride…Thank you for your service, without it our mission would have been detrimentally affected.

Response by SSgt Howard Black made Apr 17 at 2015 12:49 PM

SSgt Howard Black — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:49:28 -0400

I also spent my entire enlistment in the US.
We were there if called upon, given orders we would go. You are still serving because you can still get called to deploy. We do not decide where we serve, but we serve anyway no matter where we are stationed.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2015 12:58 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:58:25 -0400

Another one of my intelligent replies. SPC Private RallyPoint Member my dad, in the Army , served on the Aleutian Islands during WWII in Artillery. Never received hostile fire, never returned hostile fire. His brother, my uncle, on the other hand, served in Germany as an Infantryman. He received a PH and was in on rescuing Holocaust survivors in the camps. Is he more important than my dad's deployment? No! They both served their country honorably. My dad never talked about his deployment and my Uncle didn't either, and I don't talk about mine, which was not anymore valuable than theirs.

Response by SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD made Apr 17 at 2015 4:16 PM

SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 16:16:59 -0400

Brother, when you raised your right hand, and took the oath, you indicated that you were ready, and willing to to go, where ever you were needed. You are a veteran, and you can take that to the bank. Don't allow scum backs to tell you different. My right hand has never come down. I took that oath, which to me, continues to this day. I'm proud to call you my brother, and a veteran. Blessings, SPC, Ackerman. Be proud of who you are.

Response by SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD made Apr 17 at 2015 4:23 PM

SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 16:23:20 -0400

The next time someone confronts you, or questions your service, ask them about theirs.

Response by 1SG Randy Ford made Apr 17 at 2015 7:30 PM

1SG Randy Ford — Fri, 17 Apr 2015 19:30:16 -0400

Just tell them that if they have never served in our military in service to this great country of ours that they would not understand even if you tried to explain it to them, then you say
"Oh by the Your Welcome".

All gave some and Some gave all, Hooah. we are a team and we all have our part to do.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2015 4:31 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Apr 2015 04:31:22 -0400

I don't see anything wrong with not deploying within your first three years of service. And you are a veteran just for wearing the uniform. Never feel bad about not deploying because you put this uniform on with the knowledge that you could deploy to a combat zone at anytime and took an oath that said that you will defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Don't worry, if you stay in long enough, the deployments may come. But don't let no one make you feel like less of a soldier for not having your number called to serve in a combat situation, especially if they don't wear the uniform themselves.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2015 9:41 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 18 Apr 2015 21:41:35 -0400

Just explain the difference between "Veteran" and "Combat Veteran"

Many don't even realize there is a difference.

That said, who cares what they think. People are always going to have an opinion on things. If they didn't serve, who cares how they rate your service to the nation.

Response by CPT Keith Tully made Apr 19 at 2015 2:05 PM

CPT Keith Tully — Sun, 19 Apr 2015 14:05:24 -0400

My first commander in Afghanistan told us all (especially for those of us who were brand new to the Army) that "You're importance to the battle is not directly related to your position on the battlefield." Use that confidently to understand and be proud of your service to the nation and your brothers and sisters in arms versus any particular battle, engagement, or deployment. And you don't have to explain that to anyone especially any civilian who didn't serve at all.

Response by SPC Valerie Snyder made Apr 20 at 2015 9:11 AM

SPC Valerie Snyder — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 09:11:59 -0400

I was enlisted from 91-94. I got out because I was pregnant and my husband was also military. For us dual military and kids was not really an option because I was a dumb kid. If I had known then what I know now I would have retired active duty. Anyway I heard that I wasn't a veteran for a really long time. My husband was deployed for a year to Bosnia so he was but I was told so many times my service didn't count. I believed them for a really long time and it bothered me. I met an old retired Sergeant Major a few years ago and his response helped me a lot. He said " you volunteered to go, you did your job, and your papers say Honorable discharge. That says Veteran to me & You should be proud of your service. So now I tell people I am not a combat Veteran but I am a veteran. I am a proud Veteran. When people say things like that to me today I just look at them and smile then walk away because the truth is I know what I am and I am proud of my service. it doesn't matter what someone else thinks they know. whats important is what I know. Also My dd214 still gets me applebees on veterans day!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2015 1:09 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Apr 2015 01:09:21 -0400

Like this . .

Response by Cpl Thomas Mcdonough made Apr 22 at 2015 1:07 PM

Cpl Thomas Mcdonough — Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:07:31 -0400

I know that feeling,but in the corp's it was decided that there wlill be no RAIDERS patch's and I agree with that because it only make's the hole one upmanship thig a real headach like oh i'am a better marine than you because my patch say'so,REALY.

Response by PVT William Bresch made Apr 23 at 2015 11:08 AM

PVT William Bresch — Thu, 23 Apr 2015 11:08:53 -0400

I never deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan. I just chased Drug traffickers and people tell me ,ooh, ahh, that was better then being deployed. Really, no . Civi's are a funny bunch. Everyone wants to be a hero. everyone wants to carry a gun and say, Here I am. but honestly, if they ever found them self in a situation and they had to fight their way out, they most likely would either, die or fight. None of us can answer why, but I can tell you myself, being a Ghost Operator, its about who the person is individually. my answer would have been this,

He replied with, "How are you even a veteran then? You didn't even serve your country.

Myself: first of all, you are judging me, yet when things go bump in the night, you will call me.

Pick up a weapon and fight with me

Know what it is like to be lonely, scared, not able to talk to anyone, except those who are with you.

Cry, throw up, shake uncontrollably at times and wonder why the hell it is happening.

Envy normal people and the horror they do not see.

Try to talk normally to people like you and know they will always be in judgment over what they do not understand.

So, your welcome for your home, your life, being able to stand their and in your mind judge me, but always remember this,

When things go bump in the night, you will call me,

and I would have walked away.

Response by 1SG Michael Bonnett made Apr 25 at 2015 12:11 AM

1SG Michael Bonnett — Sat, 25 Apr 2015 00:11:41 -0400

Tell them you signed up for the team and just was not called to the field. Then remind them that thy did not bother to even buy a ticket so who the hell are they to question you...

Response by SSgt Charles Edwards made Apr 26 at 2015 8:20 PM

SSgt Charles Edwards — Sun, 26 Apr 2015 20:20:33 -0400

There is a lot of input here, but I'll give you my two cents if you'll have it. In short, everyone who questions your service can take a long walk on a short pier. You wore the uniform, you were trained by the best this country has to offer and you did a job for Uncle Sam. I was in the Security Forces of the USAF for over 10 years. The career field is one that is highly mobile and sees personnel deploying nearly every year. However, I didn't deploy until after being in nearly seven years. That was attributed to my assignments. I went (or stayed) where I was needed. It took me practically volunteering upon arriving at Dover AFB to get my first trip to the sandbox. I've dealt with my critics who say that my tours to "Club Med" in the Middle East don't count. However, I have done the time away from home, sweated my ass off in 120 degree heat and paid my dues. Everyone's service is different. You don't have to be in a combat zone to earn the respect of others or feel like you earned the status of veteran.

Response by SPC Anne Miller made Apr 27 at 2015 12:06 PM

SPC Anne Miller — Mon, 27 Apr 2015 12:06:38 -0400

"If everyone is gone, then there no one at home."

Response by PO2 Kevin LaCroix made Apr 29 at 2015 10:53 AM

PO2 Kevin LaCroix — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:53:25 -0400

When I was in, the DoD figure there were only 10% of active duty personnel were in a combat capacity. You served, you are a vet.

Response by SGT Mark Odegaard made Apr 29 at 2015 12:53 PM

SGT Mark Odegaard — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 12:53:44 -0400

It's really pretty simple-you served and in my eyes that's all that matters-I served I was deployed-you were not-my point still stands-you posted yourself and served your country without question, I would ask the other if they served at all? If not, ignore the question from that individual, if they did then shame on them for outing you like that and putting you in that position!!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 11:45 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:45:14 -0400

SPC Alexander Akerman your honesty in that not everyone deploys while they are still critical assets to the US Army and Department of Defense. As Soldier's we fall into three different categories which are Combat Arms, Combat Service Support, and Combat Support. However, as Soldier's for Life we are all Rifleman first and foremost where in other's and your case you stood ready for the fight regardless of the fact that you were not called upon.

We all live our Warrior Tasks and Battle Drills as Warfighters. This said even those who deployed were not all out in the suck when they were boots in the sand. Many of our brethren from all branches of military service have stood ready during periods of non-conflict.

So do not think of yourself as being less then any fellow Soldier. The person who made the statement to you that in some way you were not a veteran is an inept idiot. We have many fellow patriots who do not or can not serve while they still support those of us who do serve such as yourself.

You owe no one any explication as to the validity of your service!

Keep up the fight Soldier and thank you for your service to God and Country!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 11:51 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:51:24 -0400

Remember too Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard brethren that all services have a different mission. Every member of our Armed Forces is vital to the success of our Nation's military mission. Not everyone does what a Soldier or Marine does in the suck. But, we are all a family with one common goal in defending Old Glory.

We are all patriots whereby I thank everyone one of you for your service to God and Country!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 11:52 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:52:18 -0400

Personal opinion: deploying is one of "those" subjects. It doesn't make you any less of a Soldier because you haven't deployed. Some people get lucky and never have to leave, others have to leave multiple times. It all works out the way it is suppose to. You have people that sign the dotted line and weasel their way out of going, and people that go regardless of what it happening at home, people that can't go for personal (family or medical) reasons and people that haven't gone because of timing (training wasn't complete in time, joined later.. Something). Point of the story, you signed the dotted line- whatever the reason is that you haven't deployed, makes you no less of a Soldier. The civilians that are asking this, are JUST THAT, civilians. If they didn't sign the dotted line, don't worry about them. You made the choice to sign and serve when they opted out. Stateside or overseas, you are doing what you signed up for- serving this Country.

Response by SPC John Levine made Apr 29 at 2015 11:56 PM

SPC John Levine — Wed, 29 Apr 2015 23:56:27 -0400

I have 2 friends who never deployed and they both get bummed out about it. I tell them both that they still raised their hand and volunteered. Being a combat veteran doesn't make you more of a soldier. You wrote the check. If it wasn't cashed not your problem.

Response by SGT Kevin Smith made Apr 30 at 2015 8:24 PM

SGT Kevin Smith — Thu, 30 Apr 2015 20:24:25 -0400

You volunteered to serve and you served honorably, be proud of that. It irritates me to no end that just because you didn't serve here or there, you are not a real Veteran. Be proud of your service.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 4:18 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 May 2015 16:18:27 -0400

You say * How do i deal with it ?? * you don't. As you get older you learn that when someone gives you crap or garbage. Someone gives you a hard time. You don't take that with you , and carry it around with you. And worry about it and get mad day after day over it. You think in your minds eye of bags , suitcase full with it , filled with crap. And you take that stuff and leave it right there , just leave that big bag of crap on the floor just where it is. It's hard at first , but in time after you train your mind it becomes easy to leave that resentment just where you were handed it. And it's a way of being able to prevent other people from pushing your buttons. But two other important points. First the kind of thing your talking about is a nasty comment that may come from another former member of the Armed-Forces. Because that person is hurting inside , has an Ego problem or feels that he or she was not recognized to the right degree. Mostly for something they feel they did or some pain they suffered through during their time in a Combat-Zone. That's there problem and their hang up. They have to deal with it. And if they attempt to make you feel small. Don't buy into it. Don't fight with the party. But don't take the crap and carry it around with you from place to place - OK. On the other hand if the person talking to you in that tone is a person that has never served or not actually an American. Than your dealing with an insult. And you handle it that way , tell them they are way out of line. And in most cases the party will back down and say sorry. Have a good day.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 4:20 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 May 2015 16:20:54 -0400

Unless they served with you, their opinion isn't worth shit!

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made May 10 at 2015 5:31 PM

SFC Kenneth Hunnell — Sun, 10 May 2015 17:31:14 -0400

You can reply by saying, "Where did you serve?"
Outside of that, you put on the uniform

Response by PFC Tuan Trang made May 10 at 2015 5:34 PM

PFC Tuan Trang — Sun, 10 May 2015 17:34:09 -0400

Remember, some civilian doesn't understand about us, To be a veteran you must serve your time done with honorable discharge. Only thing we can do is ignore and walk away. They just jealous cause they can't be that 1%.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made May 10 at 2015 6:32 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 May 2015 18:32:36 -0400

I had a similar conversation with someone who asked, "why do we need a force even when we are not actively at war". There is more to the military than when we are actively at war. Our preparedness comes with a price. Ultimately, our job is to never be needed. Through your actions homestation, you enable a posture that has AVOIDED more violence than any weapon has stopped. Take it from someone who had his first taste of what our nomadic lifestyle can cost (pcs=lost fiancé, for the better but still hurt), deployments a rent he only sacrifice we make.

Disclosure: I have asked for deployments for but have not been given a tasking yet.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made May 14 at 2015 12:54 PM

CPT Pedro Meza — Thu, 14 May 2015 12:54:20 -0400

Alex, the issue is within you, the only advice I have is that accept the fact that you served during times of war. The fact that you did not deployed is a matter of fate, which relates more to your spirituality which means that for what ever reason life had a different path for you. Appreciate your service time and "Let it go", life paths should never be questioned but appreciated. Go visit your local VA hospital and volunteer your time pushing the wheel chairs of the wounded vets both young and old men and women and listen to them tell you how lucky your life has been.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 1:01 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 May 2015 13:01:07 -0400

You are not a combat veteran. But you are a veteran of the armed forces. Just because you didn't deploy means nothing. You answered the age old question "whom shall I send?" By raising your right hand, swearing in, and saying "I am here, send me." Hold your head high, and ranger on. They will never understand, so don't waste your breathe.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2015 5:12 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 May 2015 17:12:34 -0400

Be proud of your service whether you deployed or not. Remember less than 1% of the American population protects the 99% (mainly the ones who never served in the military).

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2015 11:28 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 May 2015 11:28:57 -0400

It's coming, 3 years is a short time in 20+ military career. First of all any nonmilitary individual has no right to judge. The deployments are what differentiates your military career from a civilian job. Yes your trained for combat, yes you have spent time away from your daily life but, I toted a m-4 daily in Afghanistan, I saw mortars fly over my head nightly, I swung a hammer next to ANA, I worked in 100 degree weather with full kit, I drove a truck not sure as to what I would drive over, I watched my son grow thru Skype for a year, I hung up the phone on my daughter so I could run to a bunker, I would pack my bag and go tomorrow if someone would take me. My deployment changed me some things in a great way, some things so terribly I had to reinvent who I am. You are a veteran but the combat time puts the last piece in, it gives you a great sense of pride and a profound sense of loss that can’t be replaced by any amount of non-combat military life. Just remind them that you are ready, willing and able to go and they aren’t.

Response by PO3 Johnny Osborn made May 28 at 2015 3:29 PM

PO3 Johnny Osborn — Thu, 28 May 2015 15:29:06 -0400

Well you provided support in the protection and welfair of your country right? You served your country in some capacity right? Thats how you respond. Thats like saying those that served between 1976 and 1991 didn't do anything because there was no war going on, thats just stupid. You still provided security to the country. oh and tell them to pound sand, what did they do?

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made May 28 at 2015 3:52 PM

CPO Jack De Merit — Thu, 28 May 2015 15:52:15 -0400

The first question I was asked when I came back from Vietnam, "How many Gooks did you kill?" My response was always the same, "That's between Me and the VC. Nobody was counting." When asked where I served, my reply was always the same. "Anywhere MY COUNTRY asked me to." That usually shut them up as I would tell them if they were so curious to know, all they had to do was enlist.

Response by CPT Robert Moody made Jun 4 at 2015 8:58 PM

CPT Robert Moody — Thu, 04 Jun 2015 20:58:17 -0400

You don't look back, you find strength in the fact that you placed yourself in the game. Few Veterans will question you on this, non-Veterans do not deserve to ask the question.
You remain in a very exclusive club, take personal pride in that fact.
You have earned your own self-respect, that is all that counts for the rest of your life. The military experience will direct direct your life in a positive way. Take your experience as what it really is - the test of your willingness to set the bar high rather than lower it for convenience.
Robert

Response by MAJ Bill Maynard made Jun 10 at 2015 11:16 AM

MAJ Bill Maynard — Wed, 10 Jun 2015 11:16:00 -0400

Many people are ignorant when it comes to military affairs. You are serving and whether or not you deployed is irrelevant. I spent 28 years in the Army and my only deployment was to Kosovo. I have friends that served during Korea and Vietnam and were on active duty but never spend a minute in those places. I also have many other friends who served but only during peacetime. I have other friends who served during the OIF/OEF era and never deployed to those locations either. You chose to serve your nation as a volunteer. Once you are a service member, you do not get to pick and choose your assignments. I don't have the statistics, but there have probably been millions of service members who served and were never deployed. Be proud of your service and commitment. Educate those you encounter who need educating.

Response by SGT Loren Hammons made Jun 10 at 2015 2:10 PM

SGT Loren Hammons — Wed, 10 Jun 2015 14:10:30 -0400

Serving your country is a sacrifice. You did you job and would have went if you received orders. But there are a lot of different jobs and I would prefer to have soldiers on Rear D be their in case my family needed someone. Do not ever regret not deploying. I would have not responded and just walked away. You may have not deployed but you served. Some units got called and some did not. But people should understand that veteran does not mean you deployed it means you were in the service.

Response by Sgt Mike Aydelotte made Jun 10 at 2015 5:16 PM

Sgt Mike Aydelotte — Wed, 10 Jun 2015 17:16:19 -0400

This is simple, just like I went because i was told to you didn't go because you were not. Like anyone has any control over their tour outside of loving your fellow service men and women and making the best of every situation.

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Jun 11 at 2015 2:32 PM

CPO Jack De Merit — Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:32:37 -0400

I have been asked this question before. Since I did deploy I respond with a simple answer. I served my Country where and when they saw fit for me. Not being deployed does not make you less a Veteran. You were there, you were available, they chose not to use you in a combat situation. They needed your skills and abilities somewhere else.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jun 12 at 2015 5:26 AM

PO1 John Miller — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 05:26:42 -0400

A civilian who never served is just that, a civilian. Know that you're better than they are. Though you may not have deployed that does not in anyway detract from your service. I am proud to call you a fellow veteran and brother in arms.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2015 5:39 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 05:39:15 -0400

A service member who deployed is no different than a service member who didn't. You wrote the same blank check I did. The weird thing is that you only realize that a deployment doesn't matter, after you deploy. Until you deploy, you feel like less of a soldier when your not.

Response by SSG Rhett Harris made Jun 18 at 2015 12:39 PM

SSG Rhett Harris — Thu, 18 Jun 2015 12:39:02 -0400

After all the responses to your initial post, there is very little I can contribute that is an original thought but here are my two cents nonetheless. Know that all of us who have served are shoulder to shoulder with you. Partly it is an attitude, if you come across as something less then others will pick up on that. Do not EVER feel that way. Most get it, a few don't and never will. In the future, don't dignify the question with a response. The Marines have it right for all of us, "We are the Few, the Proud."

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 3:20 AM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 25 Jun 2015 03:20:28 -0400

You served your nation. You signed the dotted line. As for Veteran status there's no better place to look than the source. Per Department of Defense standard 38 U.S. Code § 101 - Definitions:

"The term “veteran” means a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable. :

Therefore as long as you served and recieved an honorable discharge you are therefore a veteran in the United States of America. I didn't let civilian ignorance bother me when I was in the service and I certainly do not let it bother me outside either. I've experienced that same question on a internet forum and it was an uncomfortable experience.

Just remember. Without support from home or those who we're not deployed those who we're deployed could have never succeeded. It takes the entire force, one team, one mission, to accomplish the goal. Nowhere does it say the forward forces are the sole key to victory. Without supply lines and support our military would be weak and indefensible.

So when a civilian tells you something like that you stand up and tell them you served your nation in your given capacity, under your construed orders, in the way America needed you, rather the way that civilian feels. If they don't back down...then they had no respect to begin with.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 3:43 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 25 Jun 2015 03:43:39 -0400

I tell my young soldiers this who feel the same all the time. While deployments add some degree of experience to military service, they do not denote proficiency or dedication or job performance in ones MOS. I have met my fair share of idiots and worthless soldiers with combat patches and skill tabs galore. They are not, nor should one suppose, a measure of the soldier or his/her level of service etc. many MOS's do not require deployments in order to do their job in a challenging environment. As a matter of fact, I'd go as far to say that the majority of army MOS's are in that category. Combat patches and skill badges for that matter are there to tell a story and maybe display a bit of resume. But they are not the metric to define soldiers. So, I say to you Sir, be proud of your service. You signed up freely and willingly and served your country. That is still a display of sacrifice, selfless, service, duty, honor and patriotism that 99% of citizens have not even accomplished. Tell people you served your country and be proud of that fact.

Response by PO2 Peter Klein made Jun 25 at 2015 11:00 AM

PO2 Peter Klein — Thu, 25 Jun 2015 11:00:16 -0400

You are a veteran. You volunteered, they didn't. You could have been sent anywhere the military sent you. You just happened to have been assigned to Stateside duty stations. Whoever said that to you was way off base and completely ignorant.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jun 25 at 2015 2:40 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Thu, 25 Jun 2015 14:40:11 -0400

Throat punch.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Jun 25 at 2015 8:42 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Thu, 25 Jun 2015 20:42:15 -0400

SPC Private RallyPoint Member, This "How are you even a veteran then? You didn't even serve your country." is truly offensive and it angers me that a civilian who has possibly never served a day in his life in the military and I assume it is because he is a coward thinks he has earned the right to judge or to vet your veteran status. I have deployed three times and yet, you are no less distinguished then I am. You can tell him to Google, "military veteran qualification" because he has no idea that what he asks is very offensive. I will have the intestinal fortitude to tell a civilian they lacked everything I had to join and stay in the military; I welcome the confrontation.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 9:43 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 25 Jun 2015 21:43:45 -0400

No one but you should ever question your service.

Those who never served especially should never question it.

Response by SrA Daniel Hunter made Jun 25 at 2015 10:56 PM

SrA Daniel Hunter — Thu, 25 Jun 2015 22:56:35 -0400

One response, I volunteered. You volunteered, that's what makes you a veteran. What our country decided to do with our service is largely beyond our control.

Response by SSG Robert Webster made Jun 26 at 2015 6:57 AM

SSG Robert Webster — Fri, 26 Jun 2015 06:57:08 -0400

**** them. You served, they did not. End of Story. Maybe you should be embarrassed for them, instead of yourself.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Jun 30 at 2015 8:01 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Tue, 30 Jun 2015 20:01:44 -0400

You served, did your time, you are no less a vet than the rest of us. Who is some jack wad civilian to question if you are a vet. The guys who worked on the atom bomb didn't drop it on Hiroshima, would we call them anything less than a vet? Many of stood a lot of nights on the 1 K zone or at nuclear bunker or a Quick Reaction Site in the cold war, we didn't engage the enemy but that doesn't make a one of us anything less. You are part of the 1% who served, you are indeed in this vet's eyes a fellow veteran.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2015 1:55 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 13:55:23 -0400

I simply ask them this; "Do you worry about a foreign country attacking you when you go home and sit with your family at night?" "When a disaster hits, where do you go for help?" Your welcome!
Take "pride" that up played a role to make these things happen.
Cheers

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2015 2:06 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jul 2015 14:06:07 -0400

The fact that you volunteered for service and put on the uniform every day speaks volumns in itself. Be proud of the fact that you were a member of the greatest fighting force in the world. The fact that you did not deploy is nothing to be ashamed of. All of us, regardless of our positions be it CONUS or in far away lands under harsh conditions wear the same uniform and deserve the same respect.

Response by PO2 Jeffrey Sheibels made Jul 7 at 2015 9:41 PM

PO2 Jeffrey Sheibels — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 21:41:44 -0400

Try being a veteran of the US Coast Guard. I have served my country. I even went on deployments with a Navy fleet. Most Civilians do not know that the Coast Guard is a military service. So I spend time educating people. Believe it or not, I even went through an area in SouthEast Asia that was considered a combat zone. I even got combat pay for two days. Don't ask me why. But I would not let such things get under your skin. If you have a DD-214, you served your country. Most Civilians will never know what we go through just to get in. My Grandfather is a WWII veteran. He served in the Army Air Corp. He never saw combat but is still a veteran. He was also honorably discharged. So if anyone says your not a veteran, tell them they have no idea what they are talking about.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2015 9:58 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jul 2015 21:58:02 -0400

Explain how the military or Department of Defense works from tooth to taxpayer.

Response by Cpl Glynis Sakowicz made Aug 20 at 2015 7:06 AM

Cpl Glynis Sakowicz — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 07:06:07 -0400

SPC Ackerman, the first thing you need to do, is stop feeling guilty yourself. When we are in uniform, we are subject to those over us. Given an order, our job is clear... we do what we are sent to do. Now, knowing that, and knowing that EVERYTHING we do in uniform, is subject to a command from higher up, you KNOW that while we perform our jobs as best we can, we are ordered to wherever we serve... we are not asked... if we were, I'm damned sure that everyone of us would have been to "The Sandbox" at least once.

Someone much higher up than any of us, has this little list, and it says, 'we need X of this MOS, and X of this one..." and then they have a list of people with those MOS's, and they just match them up. Graves registration? Oh yea, you're going... Truck Diver? Yep... but maybe not this time... Ordinance Disposal? Third rotation coming up. Dental Hygienist? Not yet..."

We serve, AT THE GOOD OF THE SERVICE, my friend. I knew Marines that pushed for a slot, but never got the chance, I've known some who prayed they wouldn't have to go back after a third rotation, but they went anyway.

The thing is, we raised our hands and stepped up for the rest of this country. We know very well, should the crap hit the fan. we're between them and the blades, and yes, we all know, we could possibly pay the price at some point, but you know what? Its not up to us. Someone way high up the food chain is making out a list of necessary jobs, and someone further down is matching those jobs with names, and way far down, there we are, waiting to find out if we go, or stay, or end up in Hawaii. IT IS OUT OF OUR CONTROL...

Next time someone tells you you aren't a vet because you didn't go to the Sandbox, you stare at them calmly, and you ask, quite politely, "Oh, so you were in the military as well? And when they answer, you smile, "That's what makes me different than you... I volunteered to go, but apparently, you didn't."

Response by CPO Lenny Orth made Dec 22 at 2015 8:28 AM

CPO Lenny Orth — Tue, 22 Dec 2015 08:28:12 -0500

What is the value of anyone who would question your value without actually knowing what you did or didn't do?

As a child I exchanged a few letters with Neil Armstrong, yes, the first man on the moon. The one thing I fairly clearly recall is his response to my stated desire to grow up and be an Astronaut, just like him, was that being an Astronaut was great and all but that it took the entire NASA organization to put him in a position to be that guy. Even the janitors made meaningful contributions that helped NASA fulfill it's mission. So extrapolating that out to the rest of reality, it takes people behind the troops on the front lines to be able to be on the front lines. It's not just the people getting the glory that enable them to get that glory. You need to know that and realize that not everyone else will understand that, no matter what you say...

Response by CPT John M. O'Connor made Dec 22 at 2015 6:16 PM

CPT John M. O'Connor — Tue, 22 Dec 2015 18:16:08 -0500

Look I would not be defensive. Were you willing to do what your country asked of you? Then be proud of it. Most of the deployed heroes I have had in my office and met over the years did what they were asked to do and did it proudly. If you did then be proud of it and let others know!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2015 12:28 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 12:28:00 -0500

Doesn't matter! You took the oath knowing a deployment could happen. Ppl like that are just not knowledgable about the military. Educate them and go about your business.

Response by Sgt Sherry Taylor-Bruce made Dec 31 at 2015 12:57 PM

Sgt Sherry Taylor-Bruce — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 12:57:29 -0500

I may not be the best person for a response on this question because I served during the eighties when there were no deployments. However I think we must continue to be of service no matter our age or circumstances.

I use the Bible as my guide and nowhere does the concept of retirement appear in its pages. Since in my opinion I didn't make a significant military contribution during my enlistment, I try to continue my service in volunteer work. With my AmVets Post I visit weekly with Veterans at the local Veterans Nursing Facility. I also volunteer for the American Cancer Society driving Patients to treatments.

I receive treatment at my local VA clinic and I see volunteers working there. Perhaps you would consider volunteering a few hours per month. Just as there are different parts of our bodies we all have different jobs and abilities. Just do what you can, where you can.

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Jan 7 at 2016 4:32 PM

CWO2 Shelby DuBois — Thu, 07 Jan 2016 16:32:11 -0500

You don't owe anyone an explanation. But if you feel so compelled... "I served in the US Marines/Army/Navy/AF...and went WHERE I was ordered, WHEN I was ordered and successfully carried out my missions. If my personal military history isn't up to your ideals then write your Congressman and stop bothering me.... As for me .. I am a proud veteran whether you like it or not.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2016 1:16 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:16:08 -0500

Ask, when and where he was stationed.

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Jan 14 at 2016 1:19 PM

CDR Michael Goldschmidt — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:19:24 -0500

It's not really their fault, but civilians don't get it. Most of them don't do the kinds of dangerous things we do, give up the freedoms we give up, or are ever expected to live up to both physical and moral standards 24/7. Every time we train, we risk our lives, whether in work-up exercises or just doing PT. We forge stronger bonds with our friends and mourn them forever when they die. How many of us die every year in routine evolutions, from PT to training jumps to training missions to Underway Replenishments at sea? How many of us are irreparably injured from government tests on us we may or may not participate in knowingly? How many of us die fighting fires or ejecting from airplanes or in mid-airs or in vehicle crashes? It's sobering to think we all knowingly and willingly wear jewelry intended primarily to mark our corpses and depend on equipment made by the lowest bidder to save our lives. The Fort Hood soldiers weren't in combat when they were gunned down. The USS Cole crew wasn't in combat when they were killed. My best friend died in a helicopter crash 28 1/2 years ago, having never deployed. None of them was in combat, yet all are just as dead. Danger is what we do. Where we do what we do is just a detail.

Response by LCpl Nicholas Hines made Jan 14 at 2016 1:29 PM

LCpl Nicholas Hines — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:29:42 -0500

Non infantry brag all the time about being able to volunteer for deployments, ok then step up and volunteer.

Response by Sgt William Themann made Jan 14 at 2016 1:49 PM

Sgt William Themann — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:49:23 -0500

USAF 82 to 86. Never deployed. Stationed at Norton AFB and Osan AB. Very proud of my service. Ready willing and able!

Response by SSgt Robert Marx made Jan 14 at 2016 1:54 PM

SSgt Robert Marx — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:54:25 -0500

Everyone is entitled to their respective opinions yet we all need to be careful how we express them. That person spoke in ignorance of the conditions that all service members serve in for our movements & deployments are entirely in the hands of a higher authority. Dust yourself off and ignore comments from people who just like to hear the noise coming out of their pie hole. Service members serve where they are ordered to serve.

Response by SFC Robert Allen made Jan 14 at 2016 1:59 PM

SFC Robert Allen — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:59:16 -0500

I had to beg to get deployed. I was scheduled three times and each time was cancelled because the unit I was in was so short on my grade and MOS. At least after the Afghan and Iraq conflicts started. I had three deployments to Bosnia and Dessert Storm prior to that.

Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Jan 14 at 2016 2:02 PM

SSG Audwin Scott — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:02:33 -0500

One word DD214! If you have one of those, then you served and you are a veteran. I knew a 1SG that never deployed and not to mention my former brother in law retired SFC who was infantry by the way that never deployed. They just so happened to be at the right place at the right time to never had to deploy. They served their countries and are veterans.

Response by SPC Rick Vujs made Jan 14 at 2016 2:09 PM

SPC Rick Vujs — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:09:03 -0500

You served, you are a veteran. When you join the military you swear an oath and sign away most of your basic rights to defend this country. The fact that you choose to serve and not what your country ended up asking you to do makes you a vet. I had a fellow vet, who worked at the DMV, tell me that when I asked if I deserved to use CT Vet plates.

Response by Sgt Tom Vaughn made Jan 14 at 2016 2:15 PM

Sgt Tom Vaughn — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:15:27 -0500

For every combat veteran there are 25 who did not due to the fact we need support as well , you served your country , the other person never did , thank you for being a veteran

Response by CPO Randy Francis made Jan 14 at 2016 2:16 PM

CPO Randy Francis — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:16:53 -0500

Unlike most civilians, you were willing to write a check to your country that was worth your actual life. When a civilian asks you that say : Did you serve at all? When say No just look at them and say Uh huh and walk around them. If you want to hear how the tone should sound watch the scene from the Green Berets with the exchange between John Wayne and David Jansenn. When the Duke asks Jansenn "Have you ever been to Southeast Asia Mr. Beck worth?" them you'll know.

Response by Sgt Robert Rivard made Jan 14 at 2016 2:24 PM

Sgt Robert Rivard — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:24:02 -0500

I don't respond to questions like that! I was in from 1967-1971. And would do it all over again!!!

Response by PO1 Pete Sikes made Jan 14 at 2016 2:24 PM

PO1 Pete Sikes — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:24:09 -0500

If you made it out of Boot camp, you are a Veteran, period.

Response by SPC Eric Cunningham made Jan 14 at 2016 2:25 PM

SPC Eric Cunningham — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:25:06 -0500

You joined in 2011 - when the country is at war. Two wars, in fact. You didn't sign on the line thinking you wouldn't get deployed! You signed up knowing full well that you could be called upon to make the ultimate sacrifice. You trained for war and, I'm assuming, you helped in some way to train the new guys who came into the unit after you. Whether you were called on to deploy or not does not mean you didn't serve your country! You're a veteran, you earned that distinction and no one - especially no one who refused to sign up at all - can take that away.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2016 2:32 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:32:44 -0500

If this was a civilian that asked this, you get right back at him "What did you do?"..... I get how you could feel for not deploying, but honestly not everyone wants to and gets to deploy, and it's sometimes out of your hands.
Silly that someone that never served (if that's the case) would question someone that did...... I had some civilian friends think me going to 29 Palms for a CAX's like a deployment...... :D

Response by Sgt Bruce C. made Jan 14 at 2016 2:55 PM

Sgt Bruce C. — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 14:55:05 -0500

Here is how I look at, you didn't get drafted, you enlisted and where willing to do what you where ordered to do or where you where order to go. You did go on a deployment was good or bad luck, depending how you look at it, but it is what happen.

I was once told this and I live by it
"What other people think of me is none of my business" What some person on the street thinks of me, doesn't matter, I try to be good to my fellow man and love the people who matter to me, that is my business.

I did 4 years in the Air Force, never deployed, pack my bags a few times in the middle of the night, even went to a bare base once and no conflict and I am still a Proud Veteran of The US Air Force

Response by SN Greg Wright made Jan 14 at 2016 3:04 PM

SN Greg Wright — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 15:04:07 -0500

SPC Private RallyPoint Member You tell them to F*** off, imo.

As for how YOU feel about yourself, ask yourself this: Were you, while in uniform, ready and willing to deploy if ordered? If so, that feeling has no basis.

Response by SGT Alicia Brenneis made Jan 14 at 2016 3:08 PM

SGT Alicia Brenneis — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 15:08:54 -0500

Understand that whatever you did at home helped those overseas succeed. A lot of people, including soldiers, may respond this way but that doesn't make it true. The Generations before you and after will see many soldiers who never deployed . The point is you were available if you were called to do so. Have pride in the SERVICE you did provide.

Response by SGT Andrew Chapman made Jan 14 at 2016 3:26 PM

SGT Andrew Chapman — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 15:26:32 -0500

SPC Akerman Be Proud of your service. You did your time and you did what you was told to do. Then your a VET and you did what you volunteered for.

Response by CPT Bill McNeely made Jan 14 at 2016 3:37 PM

CPT Bill McNeely — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 15:37:14 -0500

SPC Akerman,

Your service has value and I appreciate you serving.

What you are fighting are service members who have told troopers who have deployed (combat or humanitarian) that they are just as good/experienced as those who have.

Non deployed folks, may be or may not be as good. We simply don't know. Frankly that's the event that defines a service member not training or an NTC rotation.

Someone who has deployed even just in a FOB, have worked their job for a solid 6 months to a year. That is valuable.

A PFC or SPC who has been deployed is more valuable than a SSG who has not.

I always felt that NCO's who had not deployed, in a 20 year career that encompassed the Post 9/11 era , really has no value add as the senior NCO at Basic, AIT or NCO Academy.

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Jan 14 at 2016 4:08 PM

SSG Ralph Watkins — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 16:08:09 -0500

I would ask them if they ever served. If they never did, they don't have a leg to stand on. Remember, your time in service is like playing pro-football. Going to a war zone is like going to the Play-offs. Being a combatant downrange is like being in the Super Bowl. You served with honor & distinction. Don't let some non-player try to take that way from you. You served your country, they didn't. You service is just as important to the overall mission & duty to the country.

Response by SGT Edward Chong made Jan 14 at 2016 4:08 PM

SGT Edward Chong — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 16:08:55 -0500

Keep your head up bro! You took an oath... recited the Soldiers Creed and gave 3 years of your life in service to your country which you finished your contract honorably(Guessing) and now that makes you a Veteran regardless of Military branch or MOS. deployed or not.... As far as civilians that are trying to question your selfless service... To me that sentence does not register or make any sense. So the heavy heart your feeling might be more on set with you judging yourself, probably felt like you couldve done more, but in all fairness... I went through that phase too.. we are our own worst critic. If you feel like somethings lacking and not satisfied, If i can make a suggestion. Volunteer or join a organization you believe in that supports, helps, trains, and outreaches the Combat and non combat disabled Veterans with PTSD and all service connected illnesses due to the War and military services. Who would've known we had battles we have to also fight when we got home. which military deaths since 1999 est. 5,273+ and Veterans Suicide since 1999 is over 128,480 deaths. Saving even one Veteran from this fate to me! trumps all "oh u didn't deploy you didn't serve your country bullcrap" and puts you in direct action of Valor-ism! Hope This gives you new perspectives.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2016 4:20 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 16:20:01 -0500

There are regulations that define a veteran and a combat veteran. I've always been told by my COC, that when going for a civilian job say your a veteran since you have served. Bassiacly if you have served more then a year outside of BCT, AIT, and OSUT you are a veteran. If you served 180 days for a deployment in combat zone, you are a combat veteran.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Jan 14 at 2016 4:35 PM

PV2 Glen Lewis — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 16:35:59 -0500

Being deployed or not wasn't your decision. You joined and were willing to go but evidently were needed stateside. I'd venture to say that those who made those remarks to you weren't veterans nor are they worth your concern. You did the job your were assigned and that's what counts. It took me years to resolve that issue until a friend of mine told me just what I've told you. You did your duty; be proud of it and yourself.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2016 6:20 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:20:12 -0500

You volunteered, you served. When in the military, you do not get to choose where you will be most useful. Your MOS or specialty may have precluded you. I'm sure you did your job well; that's what you have to hang your hat on. Be proud, move on. You have my respect as long as you served well.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2016 6:43 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:43:50 -0500

I would say, ok, so anyone who does'nt deploy is not a veteran, your definition of a vet is someone who deployed? so you don't have 'brown' eyes (if he has blue) therefore you cannot be human....turn it around on is ass...You served your country, you're a vet. It's his problem. I would ask, hey did you serve? If so did you deploy? Wait, no to both? Then you aren't human either.....Screw that ass hat.

Response by SSG Karl Fowler made Jan 14 at 2016 7:32 PM

SSG Karl Fowler — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 19:32:09 -0500

I feel your confusion, I went into the army in April 1973 and I am told I am a Vietnam ERA veteran. I do not claim this because I did not go to Vietnam, instead I was sent to a missile depot in Germany. I have always carried some sort of guilt around because they say I am Vietnam ERA veteran. But if any one came to my face and said I purposely avoided to go I would set them straight ether the easy way or the hard way. You are a veteran you served your country and nobody cane take that away

Response by SSgt Bob Mobbs made Jan 14 at 2016 8:02 PM

SSgt Bob Mobbs — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 20:02:28 -0500

Hold your head high and proudly say "I served my country, where did you serve?" There are many veterans who for one reason or another did not deploy. This fact does not make their (or your) service any less valuable or commendable.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2016 9:06 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:06:12 -0500

If you were always willing to deploy and served in the armed forces honorably, then you are a veteran.

Response by FA Noel German made Jan 14 at 2016 9:46 PM

FA Noel German — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:46:27 -0500

The tip of the spear is nothing without the weight of the shaft behind it

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2016 5:57 AM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 05:57:48 -0500

Simply respond "I understand that you don't understand." Walk away and be proud of who you see in the mirror.

Response by PO2 Bryan Lauria made Jan 15 at 2016 7:04 AM

PO2 Bryan Lauria — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 07:04:00 -0500

First- You can't fix stupid.
Second- Stop talking to idiots.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2016 8:57 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 08:57:51 -0500

Well my brother, I am so sorry you had to go through that, I have gotten in a few of those myself, and when it happens to me, I have no problem unleashing a healthy PTSD driven sarcastic tirade towards the culprits I let them understand that they do not know anything about what we do, how we do it, when we do it, what it means to our lives, and our loved ones, I make sure they do understand that they have crossed the line, and tried to insult me, and though however offensive and disrespectful they have been they can f%%k off, get of my AO/car/house/wherever we happen to have this exchange, and to kindly resume their ignorant, selfish and cowardly life. I don’t discriminate, I treat EVERYONE the same way, no matter gender, race, ethnicity, religion, age.

Response by PFC John Funk made Jan 15 at 2016 9:09 AM

PFC John Funk — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:09:20 -0500

I have a hard time dealing with the fact that when I was in the Army I suffered a femoral head fracture and 2 compressed vertebrae in my back suffered in training in R.I.P. i fell guilty that my injuries were during training and not in combat. I have watched the news for years vets coming home with all sorts of disabilities and I struggle with that my sacrifice doesn't compare in the same league as theirs. That I want able to do my very best. That it was taken away from me.

Response by SSgt Juan Segarra made Jan 15 at 2016 11:20 AM

SSgt Juan Segarra — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 11:20:53 -0500

As Sgt Jay Jones said we are all vets, who have served honorably are vets. My unit deployed 90% 10% had to stay back and I was part of that 10%. That never meant I did not want to go I just did not get to go. I have 2 honorable discharges too. I served proudly and would serve again. We never really leave the military we are a brother hood for ever.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2016 2:04 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 14:04:19 -0500

I have yet to deploy in support of combat operations after almost 8 years in the USAR (it's on my to-do list). Therefore, I never refer to myself as a veteran (regardless of the actual definition of the term). I'm an NCO, a service-member, and a soldier, but not yet a veteran.

One thing I usually bring up in a conversation like the one you're describing is that the Army has over 150 different MOS, not all of which are combat-related. Civilians look at the military and all they see is guns, shouting, and shooting. There's a lot more to it than that.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2016 2:05 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 14:05:47 -0500

ALL have given some, some have given all.
I also never deployed, doesn't make my service to our nation, or yours, any less a check written in an amount "up to and including, if necessary, my life"!

Response by Capt Anita Meyer made Jan 15 at 2016 2:11 PM

Capt Anita Meyer — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 14:11:28 -0500

There are many people who serve state side for each Marine deployed. Statistics show that their jobs are often more stressful because they see more than just one battle a day and are often assisting in ways that they never know the outcome. The lingering curiosity can often haunt you. But think of this... Without you and what you were doing we may not have done our jobs so effectively and we all came home. We needed the support staff here to train new recruits all the way to command. IF you feel you did not do enough with your time in; then, reenlist. But if it comes down to a civilian's opinion they will never understand.

Trying to explain experience can get you into a conversation that you may not want to be in. It's like how do you feel when you breathe? not something we think about. Experience is experience. You are and always will be a part of the US military and we think differently because we all went to boot. As far as a civilian telling you one thing or another even the current President does not understand. Find within yourself that sense of adventure that put you there. Tell those civilians TYSAMIHA HOORAH! Just keep them guessing and remember we are the most elite security force in the world. And you are a part of that. They are just jealous they didn't make the cut.

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Jan 15 at 2016 2:23 PM

SFC Pete Kain — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 14:23:17 -0500

Same way I do, look them in the eye, and tell em to enlist, then get back to me.

Response by SPC Matt Davidson made Jan 15 at 2016 2:37 PM

SPC Matt Davidson — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 14:37:56 -0500

doesn't matter if you never deployed you're still a veteran.

Response by SSgt Jamie Ritter LeBlanc made Jan 15 at 2016 4:07 PM

SSgt Jamie Ritter LeBlanc — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 16:07:46 -0500

Next time just tell them the blank check I wrote for my life makes me a veteran!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2016 7:23 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 19:23:39 -0500

Proper response is I am a vet, not a war vet. I still stood up and volunteered , opportunity to deploy wasn't there

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2016 9:47 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 21:47:03 -0500

Civilians don't know what you've sacrificed while you served. I haven't gotten the opportunity either but I still consider myself a Vet. Some soldiers just don't get the opportunity to deploy because either you came to the unit at the wrong time or we aren't at a time of "war" like we were in early 2000s where most units deployed. Screw the civilian guy that told you that you aren't a "real" Vet because you haven't deployed.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2016 10:18 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 22:18:56 -0500

Deployments, combat-zone or otherwise, are simply a function of luck (that your unit is called to deploy) or opportunity (you get a chance to volunteer to go), and if you have neither, you will not deploy.

Sadly, even within the military, there are some that look down on those that haven't been to the sandbox.

-Anyone- that looks down on any service member for not deploying hasn't devoted the pair of brain cells needed to process that simple fact.

Response by Sgt John Watts made Jan 15 at 2016 10:28 PM

Sgt John Watts — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 22:28:23 -0500

For eight years, I signed a blank check to the Marines that said I would go where they wanted me to, perform the function they wanted me to and fight and die if that was necessary to preserve our way of life. It just so happened that between 1997-2005 I never had to leave the U.S. I served honorably and well. I don't feel like my service is less than the combat veteran that stood on the front lines because I was willing to answer the call. The call just never came. I WAS stationed in Cleveland, Ohio for my second tour at a recruiting station though... so there's that lol.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2016 11:55 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 Jan 2016 11:55:29 -0500

It depends on what their definition of a veteran is bro. We give our time away from family and dedicate it toward our country so in my mind that makes you a veteran. Maybe not a con ate vet but we all would bleed for our country

Response by MSgt Wayne Morris made Jan 17 at 2016 9:07 AM

MSgt Wayne Morris — Sun, 17 Jan 2016 09:07:25 -0500

Why would you feel that you would have to defend any part of your service to anyone unless you were a slacker? People that question service are easy to ignore and I would do just that.

Response by SGT Ronald Audas made Jan 18 at 2016 3:43 PM

SGT Ronald Audas — Mon, 18 Jan 2016 15:43:26 -0500

My first response would be that;Man, I feel so lucky. A lot of my friends and training buddies have died in the middle east. I spent over 45 years in the oil industry.Never found 1 drop of oil.BUT !! I damn well contributed to others finding a lot of oil and gas.

Response by PFC Vincent Gwin made Jan 21 at 2016 12:55 PM

PFC Vincent Gwin — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:55:27 -0500

I felt the same way and when we had 3 different missions in our Battalion going over seas I volunteered for all of them but didn't go still eats at me every once and awhile but I got to remind myself that big Army told me were to go and there not much I can do about it but be proud of what I did instead.

Response by PO1 Michael Lee made Jan 22 at 2016 12:02 AM

PO1 Michael Lee — Fri, 22 Jan 2016 00:02:10 -0500

It really doesn't matter weather you were deployed or not you served and that's that's. I deployed on two ships and if I could have stayed on shore I would have, even tho I loved the navy.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2016 5:02 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Jan 2016 17:02:20 -0500

Always tell them the time you serve is done to assist the service members in the field even if you are not deployed overseas. If the president says deploy we all go no matter if you leave US soil or not. The troop support at home is as important if not more for families and those deployed.

Response by SFC A.M. Drake made Feb 2 at 2016 6:21 AM

SFC A.M. Drake — Tue, 02 Feb 2016 06:21:23 -0500

First of all thank you for your service young man! Second who is the idiot that voted your story as "down"! Now look there are many that have not been deployed that are currently serving: I am one, not because I did not want to that's for sure as I requested 5-6 times, but because of my special skill set in recruiting Americas health care professionals. God has chosen me in my area of expertise. Its like this is what you or I signed up for to go and fight for our countries freedom! With around 322 million Americans and about 1% is currently serving, we need a special patch or award just for that 1 per centers! So don't feel bad or ashamed all those folks that have a query then you asked them "Were the hell were you?!"

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2016 2:36 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Feb 2016 02:36:12 -0500

If it bothers you just tell them you're not answering that question. You deal with these people at work? Tell them to keep their questions work related.

Secondly it's fairly normal to have that "guilt" you're feeling. especially from these past 14 years of war we've been fighting combat deployments were the thing to do. Basic training and AIT were all combat focused (as they've always been but it carried the very real possibility that you'd find yourself there.) but you didn't.

I'm pretty sure you're not the reason you didn't deploy. You didn't shake away when orders came down with a fake injury or issue. You just didn't get called up for that duty.

You know what you did do though? You raised your right hand and swore serve to this nation during a time a war accepting onto your shoulders that during your service to country you may die. That's more than those civilians ever did.

You came in, did you job, and carried on from what I understand? That's all we gotta do.

If it continues to bug you... just hang on like 2 years till we're back at it full commitment and join back up.

No. For the more direct response and because COL Vincent Stoneking to the non politically correct formalities and who am I not to follow my officers?

Seriously. fuck those civlians. Next time they mention something pull out that stowed knife hand and politely tell the shut their mouths.

Response by SP5 Pedro Gonzalez made Feb 15 at 2016 3:21 PM

SP5 Pedro Gonzalez — Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:21:34 -0500

You tell them no I have not served in combat yet, but I'm more than ready when it's called up on me

Response by MSgt Mike Ruikka made Feb 27 at 2016 10:03 AM

MSgt Mike Ruikka — Sat, 27 Feb 2016 10:03:42 -0500

Never be ashamed of your service! You wrote that blank check for the amount of up to and including your life, payable to the United States of America. By God's grace, that check was never cashed. But you ARE STILL a US Military veteran. Honorably discharged or still serving, tell anyone that is what you are! VETERAN!

Response by Cpl Jim Tubridy made Mar 4 at 2016 1:41 AM

Cpl Jim Tubridy — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 01:41:34 -0500

During a FB debate re a nationally reported police misconduct incident, a former cop and combat vet called me a "peace time vet" and used that to diminish my position on the subject since I "never saw combat"; a statement completely irrelevant to the discussion. So is that where we are headed with the current crew of Gulf War Vets? Those of us who served during the Cold War and not the Gulf War aren't really vets by their standards? We still live in a time where certain parts of the US population would rather spit on a vet than respect them, but please, by all means, spit on your fellow vets because they're not as "badass" as you.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 1:58 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 01:58:51 -0500

lol, the VFW has always claimed the higher ground as a vet org. Be aware you can be a member for having gome overseas. not all VFW members have combat. AS an Air Force buddy said, I got my medal for flying over and around Vietnam and never even heard a shot fired in 6 months. Some Navy people sat in a ship off the coast. Another Airforce vet said all he did was fly as a crew member bringing people back and forth. Many people were "in country" but not all saw combat.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 2:23 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 02:23:23 -0500

As to civilians making that statement,
" do you think deployed means I had to shoot and kill people?" and then wait for their response. depending on their respnse will let you know how ignorant they are. Ignorant is not a bad word. Thy may indeed not know what a veteran is.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 4 at 2016 5:50 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Mar 2016 05:50:15 -0500

One of my buddies always replies with your welcome for your freedom. Freedom has a price the defended will never know.

Response by Cpl Patrik Bernard made Mar 11 at 2016 1:47 AM

Cpl Patrik Bernard — Fri, 11 Mar 2016 01:47:28 -0500

On the real SPC Alexander Ackerman, see my response to Cpl Jim Tubridy....

You can also ask the zero (who was probably stuffing his face with donuts while you were in boot) "what the hell did he do, besides beat his wife", and of course "if he or she won the war singlehandedly", just curtsy :)

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Mar 17 at 2016 2:59 PM

CPO Jack De Merit — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:59:50 -0400

Your response should be direct and simple. You enlisted to serve your country. Where you were sent and how you were used was not up to you but a higher authority who used you in the best way they could based on your abilities and knowledge. Whether you were deployed was not your choice. You did serve your country.

Response by Sgt Frank Rinchich made Mar 24 at 2016 2:46 PM

Sgt Frank Rinchich — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 14:46:40 -0400

You signed on the dotted line, you wore the uniform, that's all the explanation you need. you were part of that 1 % that was ready to give what was needed. if asked again by a civilian that question , ask them why did they remain the bal. of 1% that put them in the 99% bracket that was afraid of being part of the 1 %, ask them if they had their route planned out for Canada.

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Mar 24 at 2016 2:47 PM

CPO Jack De Merit — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 14:47:46 -0400

I served from 1961 to 1990. Where I was needed was determined by the Command I was assigned to. I did six tours in Vietnam. When I retired, it was just before Desert Storm and I volunteered to go back. I was told that I was too old and that there were more than enough men available to serve. I did not get to choose where I served. My best friend and the only roommate I ever had, served with the Seabees. He does not believe that he served his country because he was not deployed. i straightened him out very quickly. Just because he did not carry a gun and shoot at anyone does not mean he did not serve his country. There were a great many Hospital Corpsmen in the Navy. They did not ALL have to go to Vietnam because they were needed elsewhere to do their job. they served their country just as much as I did but in a far different way. The Military knows which people are fit to serve in combat and which are not and take action accordingly. You know you served your country and that is the only thing that matters.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 31 at 2016 1:03 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Mar 2016 13:03:57 -0400

If you devoted your time to the support of troops you have done your job. If you served during war time you have deployed with your fellow service members. No one needs to know what happened during your tour of duty anyway. Tell them you served as a supporting member in the field. That should be plenty!

Response by SSgt Boyd Welch made Apr 1 at 2016 8:43 AM

SSgt Boyd Welch — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 08:43:13 -0400

Just reply that another form of combat is having to deal with people lacking in mental musculature.....

Response by SSgt Boyd Welch made Apr 1 at 2016 8:52 AM

SSgt Boyd Welch — Fri, 01 Apr 2016 08:52:42 -0400

My response would be" another form of combat is dealing with people of limited mental musculature which results in rectal-cranial inversion........"

Response by SGT Ronald Audas made Apr 7 at 2016 9:28 PM

SGT Ronald Audas — Thu, 07 Apr 2016 21:28:54 -0400

I guess anyone that wanted to know,must want to live through you vicariously.Lol... I spend 46 years in oil and gas exploration. To my knowledge,I have never found a drop of oil or gas.I am proud of myself because of the support I gave,America is totally free from any dependence on another country.This holds true for your unselfish devotion to your country.

Response by PVT William Bresch made Apr 14 at 2016 5:33 PM

PVT William Bresch — Thu, 14 Apr 2016 17:33:26 -0400

Well, interesting question, answer would be,

OK you deployed, you lost an arm or leg, lost friends, lost your dignity, lost all self worth, yet you stand here in judgment of me, one who didn't deploy knowing full well the implications and ramifications of where I was headed and what I might wind up as , You. a person who walks around slamming people, walking all over them, waving medals and glory yet, instead of learning from your mistake, you wear it as a badge of honor to slam everyone you meet. are we not all brothers and sisters, regardless of what uniform we wear or how we look, or how we speak. or did I miss the core values of military service going in, obviously you choose to ignore, what I chose to follow and not become.

Response by SGT Paul Mackay made Apr 16 at 2016 7:34 PM

SGT Paul Mackay — Sat, 16 Apr 2016 19:34:36 -0400

tell them you just got lucky

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2016 4:57 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Apr 2016 04:57:45 -0400

You know better than to believe what that civilian said. Why do you even entertain the notion that person is right? Don't let it bother you. Just drive on and continue to do the right thing. Don't try to educate the terminally stupid. Just smile, shake their hand (if you put your hand out, usually people will shake it out of reflex) and tell them, "You're welcome", and walk away. Some people are too dumb to know their stupid, so don't entertain their delusional notions of grandeur. Make them come up to your level, don't stoop to theirs.

Response by SFC Marcus Belt made Apr 23 at 2016 5:42 PM

SFC Marcus Belt — Sat, 23 Apr 2016 17:42:06 -0400

Stop giving a s***t what people who have never served think.

For that matter, don't worry too much about what other veterans may think. It will only cause you angst.

Problem solved. Problem staying solved.

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Apr 25 at 2016 3:44 PM

CSM Richard StCyr — Mon, 25 Apr 2016 15:44:49 -0400

Thanks for serving! Since only about 1% of the population does. You never know when the big ones coming so serving at any time is admirable. Some folks you just have to smile to yourself and walk away from 'cause they just don't get it.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2017 5:30 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 08 Jan 2017 17:30:14 -0500

You didn't make the deployment schedules or unit assignment any more than a soldier that deployed.

You went where the big Army told you to go....as they did. We all simply follow the orders of the officers appointed over us.

Response by SGT Anna Kleinschmidt made Jan 10 at 2017 1:12 AM

SGT Anna Kleinschmidt — Tue, 10 Jan 2017 01:12:30 -0500

Your mission was supporting the troops that were deployed. We are all on the same team. You put your life on hold to do the will of what the military wanted you to do and you did it! Don't let anyone make you feel less because of it!

Response by PO2 Richard Walsh made Feb 10 at 2017 10:29 AM

PO2 Richard Walsh — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:29:22 -0500

Why do you need to respond, first, to them or yourself? If you were available and gave it your effort to support and add value to lives, this country etc., it is not anyone's business but yours. If you made mistakes, as in any profession at times, life is a walk of lessons that are meant for learning and humbleness in growth. If you wore the uniform and obeyed orders, as well as other areas of your life, grow from that experience, and the pleasing in answers and actions will be second hand to growth in life now and later. There is no clear cut answers. Life is a work in process for all of us.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Feb 16 at 2017 2:17 PM

PV2 Glen Lewis — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 14:17:43 -0500

Like I saw on poster about military service, when you enlisted and signed those papers you signed a blank check for up to and including your life. If they didn't ever do the same they have no valid point in their question. Even if they did their opinion has no validity; that's my opinion in a nutshell.

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Feb 16 at 2017 3:13 PM

CPO Jack De Merit — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 15:13:42 -0500

You don't need to. The military put you where you were needed the most. YOU SERVED YOUR COUNTRY!

Response by SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD made Mar 9 at 2017 12:28 AM

SPC Johnny Velazquez, PhD — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 00:28:24 -0500

You raised your hand, took an oath, and served honorably. You were prepared to go at a moment's notice. Never be ashamed of this fact. I salute you. Thank you for your service. Blessings.

Response by SSG Rafael Rodriguez made Mar 9 at 2017 1:09 PM

SSG Rafael Rodriguez — Thu, 09 Mar 2017 13:09:26 -0500

Not sure if the person asking the question was in the military or not, but to answer your question, we are all Veteran Soldiers whether deployed or not. We raised our right Hand and made an oath to protect and defend this country of ours. Be proud of your service as a Soldier and never be ashamed for what you do is worthy and surely you have been thanked for it, drive on.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Mar 16 at 2017 10:57 AM

SPC David Hannaman — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 10:57:52 -0400

Where does the "value line" of service get drawn?

I was 19 years old when I deployed with the 101st Airborne to Desert Storm, arguably the most one sided war in modern warfare, with one of the most famous units in the world, and I like you get feelings that "I didn't do anything really important, just a small part of something that gets hyped a lot."

More soldiers died in drunk driving accidents the year prior and the year after Desert Storm than died in Desert Storm.

Fast forward a few years and I PCS to Korea during a "hot time"... maybe because I was older and more aware of the situation but it FELT more in danger in Dec '93 - Jan '94 Korea than I did in Desert Storm. No combat patch, not even a medal until 2002 for that service.

My point is, f#$k what the civilian has to say. They've never stood in front of three screaming Drill Instructor's wondering "What the hell did I get myself into?", they've never low crawled with 7.62 rounds zipping overhead at a live fire, they've never pulled off their mask and inhaled CS gas. We all did that in the first 8 weeks.

Response by SGT Romeo Reyes made Mar 16 at 2017 9:11 PM

SGT Romeo Reyes — Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:11:50 -0400

You're a Veteran in my eyes. Just don't become a sniveling liberal democrat....... Go Republican!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2017 7:35 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Mar 2017 19:35:27 -0400

Did the "someone" who told you that ever serve in any capacity?
Did you have a special slot that allowed you to deploy yourself on your own initiative?
You served. You put yourself in the position to be deployed. You did that on your own initiative. You met the standards through hard work and professionalism. You rock.

We must honor those who deployed to armed conflict. Yes. But to dismiss service that did not involve deployment is just wrong - especially in a country in which the vast majority of citizens never, ever serve in way whatsoever.

Response by Kellie Allen made Apr 9 at 2017 1:14 AM

Kellie Allen — Sun, 09 Apr 2017 01:14:37 -0400

I had one son KIA and the other worked in the Geek Squad at Elmendorf AFB in Anchorage, AK. There is no shame in not deploying. You served and signed that "blank check", just like everyone in the military does. You tell those a**holes to "man up" and to join the service themselves, if they have a problem with you not deploying! My computer geek feels no shame in not deploying because he served the Air Force in the capacity they needed him to serve.
Thank you for your service!

Response by PO2 Gerry Tandberg made May 20 at 2017 7:22 PM

PO2 Gerry Tandberg — Sat, 20 May 2017 19:22:04 -0400

My first question to those who didn't serve would be; so what does that make you. Were you afraid to serve, too busy to serve, too valuable to serve, too much of an inconvience to serve, or didn't think it was important to serve? I'm a non-combat Vietnam Era Vet. I simply went where they sent me. I later flew as an Air Crewman; certainly not the most dangerous military job, but it had its risks. I'm a vet because I served and was willing to go wherever they sent me, or do what ever I was trained to do. I do not opologize for not seeing combat. I do thank the Lord for not putting me in harms way. For those of us who are not combat vets we have a special admiration for those who were, and that covers all military services going back many generations. You are a Veteran in the eyes of those who matter the most.

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Jun 26 at 2017 10:30 AM

SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM — Mon, 26 Jun 2017 10:30:09 -0400

I think that hard one to deal with when a soldier of a civilians ask you the question "Where's your combat patch."?" because today in this world soldiers and civilians are well educated on the uniform that we wear and most of the soldiers themselves are wearing combat patch. Only the new soldiers coming in to the Army are not mostly wearing combat patches and there are a few out there who have not been to combat and I would not want to be in their shoes but I'm sure they get a lot. I think I would suck up as American soldier and just say some of the jobs in the US ARMY don't support Combat and we support from the rear and will never see combat unless called upon. Yes I consider myself as a veterans because I myself with thousands serve other veterans and support them on the battlefield everyday. Anyone who wears this flags on there right sleeve is veterans and this is considered my combat patch to America.

Response by SSgt Steve Swiontkowski made Oct 6 at 2017 8:01 PM

SSgt Steve Swiontkowski — Fri, 06 Oct 2017 20:01:17 -0400

I happened to be at a restaurant with friends when I was challenged, "Why aren't you in Grenada?' I answered, "My unit hasn't been assigned to that operation. If I am asked to go, I will be out of here like a shot, but until then, I'm not going to question the decision the command echelon made." The guy shut up and I sleep soundly.

Response by SPC David Willis made Dec 5 at 2017 10:02 AM

SPC David Willis — Tue, 05 Dec 2017 10:02:52 -0500

Next time that is said just look at him and ask him if he'd like advice on how to please his wife. Questions like that are deeply personal and the best equations for civilians don't have much to equate it to. A girl at a bar asked me how many people I had killed and I told her if she told me how many guys she slept with. I didn't get my answer and she didn't get hers.

Response by 1SG Alan Boggs made Dec 17 at 2017 7:33 PM

1SG Alan Boggs — Sun, 17 Dec 2017 19:33:52 -0500

The mechanics inside the wire want to be a driver, the driver wants to be the gunner, the gunner wants to be one of the dismounts and the dismounts wish they were back inside the wire.

Look at the civilian and say "no I was lucky and my unit never deployed to theater" if they ask how you are a veteran explain that the department of defense considers any honorably discharged member of the armed forces to be a veteran.

Response by PO3 Gary Wright made Jan 8 at 2018 2:15 AM

PO3 Gary Wright — Mon, 08 Jan 2018 02:15:45 -0500

You raised your right hand. You gave up many of your rights to serve your country. You did SERVE. You were prepared to lay your life on the line if necessary to serve your country.

You most certainly served and are an honorable veteran.

Thank you for your service.
Gary Wright
AT3 1973-76

Response by CPL Darlene Foley made Feb 9 at 2018 5:49 PM

CPL Darlene Foley — Fri, 09 Feb 2018 17:49:43 -0500

Reading the posts on this site, I tend to feel that I don't belong. I never left the states during my military service. I worked at the hospital at Fort Sam Houston, TX during the Viet Nam War and took care of injured or sick active duty military. Some of my friends were from the burn ward. Although I was active duty Army, it was very much like a civilian job. No one shot at me and my life was never in danger. I admire all of those who did deploy.

Response by CPL Darlene Foley made Feb 9 at 2018 10:41 PM

CPL Darlene Foley — Fri, 09 Feb 2018 22:41:34 -0500

Response by PO2 Patrick Dwyer made Feb 10 at 2018 2:43 PM

PO2 Patrick Dwyer — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 14:43:56 -0500

Rub it in....Let them think ya got a ton of pay...traveled the world...Got a PhD,etc and all on their dime...Add in a "Still paying me I am so good", "Ain't gotta pay taxes",etc let them pop a vein in their head.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2018 3:54 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 10 Feb 2018 15:54:44 -0500

Hey brother or sister next time that happens ask him or her why they didn't join. So the powers to be just didn't choose your unit to be deployed. Shoot I wish that was me safe and home with the family. If you wanna go over seas I'm sure big army can find you a spot

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2018 3:21 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Feb 2018 03:21:35 -0500

Tell them to beat sand.

Joe public can really say stupid stuff.

Here's the deal.

You wrote blank check toward that dumb asses liberty. The day may come soon it may not. the truth is that you stepped forward. And in my opinion.... your a veteran.

Don't sweat it. General Marshall never fought in WWII, but we never would have won without him.

MSG Bo

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2018 3:28 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:28:51 -0500

I would say... Go deploy

Response by PO1 Tom Follis made Feb 26 at 2018 11:57 AM

PO1 Tom Follis — Mon, 26 Feb 2018 11:57:48 -0500

Brother, do I ever empathize with you. I spent 21 years in the worlds finest Navy, deployed 12 times, only spent 5 years ashore and never once saw combat. Back in the 70s, I requested orders for Nam. That is why I joined. I thought. Some idiot sittin on his worthless ass in Washington wearin a suit n tie comes back n says,” No, you’re an only son.” Well, how much lower than whale sperm can you get? I went on and did my time, retired in Sept 93. I have actually been rejected from a certain civilian organization because of this but was told I could be a supporter. Are you joking? I just served in a good old boy club for 21 years I couldn’t be a full member because of combat (or lack of) but, I can give you my money and support you financially? Figure the odds of that happening. The only respect/recognition I get from anyone is a brother that has worn a uniform. It’s just like when the brothers returned from Nam and got spit on and shit on. I talk to no one about my service.

Response by Cpl Dann Purvis made Mar 14 at 2018 12:27 PM

Cpl Dann Purvis — Wed, 14 Mar 2018 12:27:57 -0400

You could suggest that they may want “ to perform an oral embrace of your lower alimentary canal” .

Response by SP5 Dennis Loberger made Mar 22 at 2018 7:21 PM

SP5 Dennis Loberger — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 19:21:28 -0400

You are a veteran because you served honorably in the military. You have a DD-214 to prove it. All of us served in the role we were asked, where we were sent. You filled the position you were needed to fill. Had you been deployed you'd have gone there and performed as you were asked. Hold your head up and be proud of your service. You did what they were unwilling to do. Ask them if they served (if they did they would never say that). When they say no, tell them they have no standing to question your veteran status if they didn't serve

Response by SGT Richard Smith made Apr 11 at 2018 6:07 PM

SGT Richard Smith — Wed, 11 Apr 2018 18:07:25 -0400

I tell i was an Instructor it was my job to make sure they new there job

Response by SFC Quinn Chastant made Apr 11 at 2018 6:31 PM

SFC Quinn Chastant — Wed, 11 Apr 2018 18:31:41 -0400

For reference during WWII thousands of Soldiers never deployed overseas. They had duties directly related to securing the Continental United States from Enemy Combatants. These include Coastal Artillerymen, Military Police (POW camps), Cooks, Mechanics, Trainers for all branches of the Armed Forces. Then there were more than a few Conscientious Objectors who volunteered to assist in Medical Department studies, and you can readily see that even Soldiers who did not deploy also served a vital interest to the nation. the same holds true for Soldiers today. Just because you aren't in harms way doesn't mean you aren't supporting ongoing missions in various ways.

The Cold War and Vietnam were concurrent events as well not everyone drafted went to nam, there is Korea, Japan, Germany, Italy....and a host of other locations they went to.

And the same holds true today. not everyone enlisting will go to a conflict and hostile fire pay zone.

Response by SrA Bonnie Porter made Jun 7 at 2018 11:36 AM

SrA Bonnie Porter — Thu, 07 Jun 2018 11:36:24 -0400

We are a team. Like a finely tuned instrument. Everybody contributes, everybody wins. Without mechanics, no vehicles will run or planes will fly. The person loading the ships or planes for transport from the states are just as important as the front lines. Without one, the other can't succeed.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 10 at 2018 3:13 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Jun 2018 15:13:11 -0400

Your service meant as much as that guy who deployed 6 times to a hot zone...You had the balls to volunteer for a thankless job most Americans wouldnt consider...Next time somebody says that to you, ask them this:Why didnt you serve? That will shut them up real quick..Be proud of your service man...And thank you brother...

Response by 1SG Tom H made Jun 28 at 2018 3:37 PM

1SG Tom H — Thu, 28 Jun 2018 15:37:02 -0400

Strangely enough your Senior Enlisted Promotion boards consider deployments as well.
Many of your senior leaders believe a deployment somehow makes you a better soldier or leader.

Response by SSG Ivett Feliz made Jun 30 at 2018 9:40 AM

SSG Ivett Feliz — Sat, 30 Jun 2018 09:40:46 -0400

SPC Alexander thank you for your service. You would be surprised at how many service members have served over 20 yr careers and have not seen "combat" s many have written in the comments "we have little control over where we are sent" in the future take comfort in knowing that Congress defines what a veteran is (see below)
FEDERAL DEFINITION: under Federal Law a VETERAN is any person, who served honorably on active duty in the armed forces of the United States. – OR – 90 days of active duty service, one (1) day of which is during “wartime”, and a last discharge or release under honorable conditions.Jul 27, 2006

You are a veteran and take pride in having sacrificed for your country and serving a greater cause....and that cannot be taken away from you....God speed to you.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2018 8:32 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 20:32:09 -0400

Dude. Tell them to ruck up and March with you. The fact is is that OPTEPO is winding down. And not everyone will have the opportunity to deploy. But you are in Uniform and they aren't. So tell them to pound sand and your time will come. And then order another beer and enjoy.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2018 7:15 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 19:15:04 -0400

I served 6 years and never had a combat deployment..however I did go to Africa of all places lol

Response by Cpl Bill Johnson made Jan 14 at 2019 1:45 PM

Cpl Bill Johnson — Mon, 14 Jan 2019 13:45:10 -0500

Don't let that get under your skin. When I was in the Corps, I was always somewhere else (different unit, different duty station etc...) when some other unit was in Grenada (I was in Europe), Beirut (still in Europe); and Panama (I was on Terminal Leave). Sometimes that is just how it. You volunteered. Others didn't. You served by putting your @$$ out there in case Uncle Sam needed you. That's enough.

Response by Sgt Steve Williams made Apr 28 at 2019 8:36 PM

Sgt Steve Williams — Sun, 28 Apr 2019 20:36:12 -0400

These idiots aren't worth worrying about. They don't understand that we have this quaint thing called "orders". We go where they need us, not where we might want to go.

Response by SGM Mendel Ofman made May 10 at 2019 3:25 PM

SGM Mendel Ofman — Fri, 10 May 2019 15:25:07 -0400

Military Veteran status is earned if in the military on active duty for one day while country is involved in a war with another jurisdiction. Even if assigned to a home station in the US. The country was involved in a war. Now if the country was not involved in a war and you were on active duty. You can’t claim Veteran status.
SGM Ret USA

Response by MSgt John Kimbler made May 19 at 2019 8:47 PM

MSgt John Kimbler — Sun, 19 May 2019 20:47:52 -0400

ignore them. You did your duty and a lot of them didn't even enlist i bet.

Response by PO1 Robert Wikert made Jul 4 at 2019 7:01 PM

PO1 Robert Wikert — Thu, 04 Jul 2019 19:01:58 -0400

This person is obviously not a veteran, because if they were they would never tell someone that. If it is a vet than they don't deserve the title. Not everybody in a combat unit pulls a trigger, if they did how would everyone eat, get doctored, get haircuts and I could go on and on. In 20 years of Naval service I deployed 7 or 8 times, but I never pulled a single trigger, does that mean I am not a vet? I hardly think so, I went through the same family separation as every trigger pulling soldier, sailor or marine in the military. Just because you didn't deploy doesn't mean that you are any less of a veteran than anyone else, you sacrificed your time and regardless of deployments I feel pretty certain you also were involved in training exercises that could have gotten you killed, I know I was. I went into the military in 1967, I never went to Vietnam, and I used to feel somewhat guilty about that, but it was short-lived. I still served my country during a time of war, and war or peace I am a veteran and so are you, be proud of your service to your country.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2019 1:13 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Jul 2019 13:13:12 -0400

When you took your Oath, you swore to defend your country against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC. Just because you didn't deploy doesn't mean you were not willing. You are still a part of that 1% that raised your hand to perform the duties that keep this country safe. Be proud of your service! Don't let anyone take that away from you?

Response by Capt Miles Davis made Aug 2 at 2019 7:28 AM

Capt Miles Davis — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 07:28:51 -0400

Of course you served your country. Bring ready for combat is all it takes.

Response by PO3 Bernadette Hitch made Oct 9 at 2019 10:37 PM

PO3 Bernadette Hitch — Wed, 09 Oct 2019 22:37:22 -0400

Everyone that serves serves a purpose. Every job in every branch is needed and provides a needed function that provides support needed to/for something or someone else. While you were serving, whatever situation arose, you did and would have rose to the situation, where you were needed. No civilian should diminish your service. (I didn’t see combat but I worked long, hard hours and my ship was support for a nuke sub. They needed us. And that’s simplifying things. There’s so much more than that to everyone’s time served.)

Response by CPO Arthur Weinberger made Oct 11 at 2019 12:15 PM

CPO Arthur Weinberger — Fri, 11 Oct 2019 12:15:25 -0400

For every veteran who deploys; two are needed in positions to make that deployment possible. Our military is only as good as the civilians and others who remain in the States and in backup positions. Without their support those of us who are deployed are effective.

Response by CPL Johnnie White made Oct 19 at 2019 11:31 PM

CPL Johnnie White — Sat, 19 Oct 2019 23:31:42 -0400

A Vet is a Vet just for serving your time. You did not have to leave the USA, you still served. You are a vet.
I spent 14 months plus some day in the RVN. That was enough for me!

Response by SSG William Bruno made Jan 2 at 2020 2:10 PM

SSG William Bruno — Thu, 02 Jan 2020 14:10:53 -0500

Supporting war efforts takes people from all over the military, just as the World Wars demanded people from all walks to do their part. You will never convince this fellow, but YOU know what you did.

Response by CPT Wayne Price made Jan 28 at 2020 10:35 PM

CPT Wayne Price — Tue, 28 Jan 2020 22:35:28 -0500

Ask them if they ever enlisted or served in s branch of the militaryy, and if not why?

Response by TSgt Michael Brandt made Feb 28 at 2020 3:24 PM

TSgt Michael Brandt — Fri, 28 Feb 2020 15:24:42 -0500

All honorably discharged veterans signed the blank check no one knows when the war or conflict is going to happen end of story
I E The Cold War a lot of brave souls did things for our country behind the scenes and will never wear a valor device receive a Purple Heart even though they perished in the official record reads the perished in a training accident

Response by SGT Jacob Auvinen made Mar 15 at 2020 12:17 PM

SGT Jacob Auvinen — Sun, 15 Mar 2020 12:17:31 -0400

With a good throat punch.

Response by SGT Peggy Sue Luis made Mar 22 at 2020 11:29 PM

SGT Peggy Sue Luis — Sun, 22 Mar 2020 23:29:14 -0400

I belong to ALASKA Native Veterans Association in Fairbanks, Alaska. When we are at a function our leaders tell all in attendance that we “left our mother’s home” (always mother’s home because the women make the home). They say that we were willing to go wherever we were sent to do whatever we were told to do and some of us did not come home. Some that did come home did not come back whole. The attendees are then offered the opportunity to greet us, individually and shake our hand. The people line up for this. We are embraced and we embrace back. It is beyond humbling. I never felt any kind of respect or healing until the first time I heard these words. So...stand up straight and tell that person that you left your mother’s home to go wherever, whenever and serve your country. Then, as nicely as you can, ask them what did they do to serve our great country. When they don’t answer or mumble. Say “God Bless America” and walk away. YOU are the better person.

Response by SSG Steve Smith made May 19 at 2020 4:55 PM

SSG Steve Smith — Tue, 19 May 2020 16:55:53 -0400

I was drafted in the Army 1970 went through basic and Infantry training AIT Fort Jackson received orders for a tour in Germany when they ask me where I went I say I went were Sam told me to go.

Response by Syamsu Dukha made May 31 at 2020 11:39 AM

Syamsu Dukha — Sun, 31 May 2020 11:39:42 -0400

military and academic synergy needs to be done to build a better nation
https://www.unair.ac.id/sinergi-militer-dan-akademisi-untuk-bangun-karakter-bangsa-berita_1297.html

Sinergi Militer dan Akademisi untuk Bangun Karakter Bangsa

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Response by LCDR Mike Morrissey made Jun 20 at 2020 4:49 AM

LCDR Mike Morrissey — Sat, 20 Jun 2020 04:49:33 -0400

Others have already provided good sage advice. So Ill just add this snippet. Though commissioned before WWI, The Supreme Allied Commander in WWII never saw a day of combat before the assignment and had never deployed, as in to a war zone...there were overseas assignment. . Like you, then Lt Col. Eisenhower was kept in the US during WWI. And, he reverted to Major (for 16 long years) after the war. There was that tortuous assignment to MacArthur in the Philippines well before WWII.

About 20 years ago, I met the Vice Chief of Staff of the U.S. Air Force (4 Stars) getting an ice cream cone at drive-in in Red Lodge, MT. (He was on leave and had been invited to give a commencement speech in another city.) He had never served a day in a combat, all in the luck of the draw and timing..

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 9 at 2020 10:55 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 22:55:00 -0400

you may not have gone overseas. not everybody draws that straw, but you participated in all of the training events/exercises you did throughout your time in service. as a result, you assisted with the training of probably hundreds or thousands of other soldiers who eventually did serve our country and judging by their success, you should be proud of the training you did. you trained your leaders as they learned how to lead better with their experience with you. And for those soldiers who followed you, i'm sure you showed them a trick or two which they are now using overseas or showing to another private. People who say stuff like that guy are just looking to assuage their own guilt over never having done anything worthwhile by convincing themselves nobody else has either so they dont look/feel like losers by comparison. honesty, most people thank me for my service (and you should thank every civilian who thanks you with 'thank you for your support' - never know who they really are ;) ), but if you meet someone like that other guy, best response is a knowing/compassionate/sad smile for their feeling small by comparison and confidently walking away. your confidence will confirm for them their own insecurities about their character and the value of your service. if you have to address it, try something like 'we all stand by to serve and go when our call comes. meantime i train the men and women who are serving over there and help develop the processes for our future engagements. are you interested in being a part of our team?' it puts it back on them, they have to verbally admit they dont have the character to server, and you can then direct them to the nearest recruiter 'if they are interested' and walk away :) sadly, a lot of those conversations are not about the person you are talking to but the education of all others watching. stand tall. you have been a part of a lot of great service from your unit, core, army, and nation. ;D think about it, we are all needed to make it work, from the cooks to the front line infantry. it wouldn't work if guys like you weren't part of the training/ etc. make sense? :)

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 9 at 2020 10:58 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 09 Aug 2020 22:58:14 -0400

you may not have gone overseas. not everybody draws that straw, but you participated in all of the training events/exercises you did throughout your time in service. as a result, you assisted with the training of probably hundreds or thousands of other soldiers who eventually did serve our country and judging by their success, you should be proud of the training you did. you trained your leaders as they learned how to lead better with their experience with you. And for those soldiers who followed you, i'm sure you showed them a trick or two which they are now using overseas or showing to another private. As you advance in your career, you will realize how important that really is. People who say stuff like that guy are just looking to assuage their own guilt over never having done anything worthwhile by convincing themselves nobody else has either so they dont look/feel like losers by comparison. honesty, most people thank me for my service (and you should thank every civilian who thanks you with 'thank you for your support' - never know who they really are ;) ), but if you meet someone like that other guy, best response is a knowing/compassionate/sad smile for their feeling small by comparison and confidently walking away. your confidence will confirm for them their own insecurities about their character and the value of your service. if you have to address it, try something like 'we all stand by to serve and go when our call comes. meantime i train the men and women who are serving over there and help develop the processes for our future engagements. are you interested in being a part of our team?' it puts it back on them, they have to verbally admit they dont have the character to serve, and you can then direct them to the nearest recruiter 'if they are interested' and walk away :) sadly, a lot of those conversations are not about the person you are talking to but the education of all others watching. stand tall. you have been a part of a lot of great service from your unit, core, army, and nation. ;D think about it, we are all needed to make it work, from the cooks to the front line infantry. it wouldn't work if guys like you weren't part of the training/ etc. make sense? :)

Response by CW2 James Hughes made Aug 24 at 2020 11:18 PM

CW2 James Hughes — Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:18:31 -0400

I am a second generation Retired Regular Army Volunteer that NEVER served a combat tour. My father retired as a 1SG after serving from 1947-1967 never serving a tour in Korea or Vietnam. I retired as a CWO after serving from 1969-1989 never serving a tour in Vietnam. Do I feel bad about it? Is my service any less than those that did ? The answer is NO. If all of us that served during a time of conflict/war did not serve, who would have done the jobs we did in support of those that did? We are all still brothers and sisters in arms serving our country where we were asked/told to serve. Our contributions are no less valuable to the total mission of our specific branch of service in fact if All of us had not done our jobs, it’s quite possible there would have been instances of mission failure. We all contributed.
One detail that is not included in my profile is the fact that I was almost released from active duty for medical reasons in 1974. I ruptured 2 discs in my lower back on duty and had surgery to remove them. After months of physical therapy I was returned to duty as a instructor but with a P3 profile severely limiting me. Shortly after the end of the Vietnam War, I faced a medical review board. I could have taken the medical retirement but felt I had more I could do in service to my branch of service and country. They agreed and let me stay. Long story short, I maintained the P3 profile for the remaining 15 years of my career being promoted to SFC in under 10 years TIS, being selected for WO, and completing assignments that included 4 years at the Pentagon. And any individual that served and received his or her DD214 stating Honorable Discharge regardless of when you served, where you served or how long you served, can hold his or her head up and be proud of the title you earned of “VETERAN”.

Response by PO1 Vin Cle made Sep 14 at 2020 6:29 PM

PO1 Vin Cle — Mon, 14 Sep 2020 18:29:13 -0400

Bro. We all rolled the dice. Where or when you did your service doesn’t matter. You served your country. F••k any civilian who NEVER service that dares question you status as a Vet. Hold your head up and ask where they served.

Response by PO3 Kevin Hokerk-Robinson made Oct 15 at 2020 11:05 PM

PO3 Kevin Hokerk-Robinson — Thu, 15 Oct 2020 23:05:13 -0400

Being that I “only” did service in the Naval Reserves I never really considered that I really served. Fast forward 20+ years and number of friends that were retired military would ask me “did you serve” and would say just in reserves and they all said “you wore the uniform, you raised your right hand and took the oath and received an honorable discharge” to which I said YES. Then the reply back you ARE a veteran. I then looked into what am I entitled to via the VA, turns out I can get an ID card (which I did) but because I did not have 90 consecutive days of active duty no benefits.

Then there is my older brother (10 yrs) that served in the Navy 1961-64 and spent his whole time in a silo at Fort Campbell KY who felt the same but that was put to rest when my oldest brother (Army early 50’s)from TX was selected for an Honor Flight and due to his age needed a chaperone. That trip help my brother feel more positive about his service.

Response by SGT James Ross made Nov 4 at 2020 10:44 AM

SGT James Ross — Wed, 04 Nov 2020 10:44:13 -0500

You are a veteran. You hold your head up high and don't let anyone tell you that you not. You don't have to be deployed to be called a Veteran. I bet the people who said that haven't served. James (Desert Storm).

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2020 5:46 PM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Dec 2020 17:46:36 -0500

Yea and if you would have deployed he'd have asked you how many people you killed.
If you are satisfied with your service there shouldn't be any issues.. Civilians will be civilians

Response by MSgt Steve Sweeney made Dec 20 at 2020 12:38 AM

MSgt Steve Sweeney — Sun, 20 Dec 2020 00:38:37 -0500

Don't. When it comes to your service, you don't have to prove anything to anyone, especially anyone that hasn't worn the uniform. If you feel like you do, that is the problem you need to address.

Response by MSgt Dale Johnson made Dec 20 at 2020 9:37 AM

MSgt Dale Johnson — Sun, 20 Dec 2020 09:37:29 -0500

When you signed your name on the dotted line you wrote a blank check to the government for everything up to and including your life in service to this country. What the government decided they needed you to do was up to them, not you. You can tell them you served your country to the best of your ability in a way the government needed at the time.

I, myself, could care less what a Twat Wad like that thinks of me but you could ask if he or she has ever served anyone but themselves.

Response by Wayne Soares made Dec 20 at 2020 11:59 AM

Wayne Soares — Sun, 20 Dec 2020 11:59:34 -0500

Thanks for your service Alexander

Response by PO3 Wesley Shnaekel made Dec 20 at 2020 4:47 PM

PO3 Wesley Shnaekel — Sun, 20 Dec 2020 16:47:07 -0500

If the matter is settled in your own mind, try asking this civilian what military service means and what they think every day life is like, and when it dawns on you that they don’t have the slightest clue, you can smile to yourself knowing this guy doesn’t have a clue, and that you shouldn’t value his/her stupid ass opinion at all, and just smile at them knowing they are a fucking idiot.

Response by SP5 Derick Johnsohne made Dec 21 at 2020 4:43 AM

SP5 Derick Johnsohne — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 04:43:51 -0500

ask them where is their name on the enlistment role . (i tell the same to some vehement churchists where is their name on the adopters lists)

Response by MAJ Van Chase made Dec 25 at 2020 10:14 AM

MAJ Van Chase — Fri, 25 Dec 2020 10:14:07 -0500

I just say I never deployed but what about all those helicopter sticks in full battle rattle. What about all those nukes we moved out of Germany. What about all those holidays spent away from family and love one. I never attended on graduation for any of my siblings. Or anything else. I just say get over it. I’m just saying. If you survived BCT and AIT and served three years. You did more than them. I have had several JROTC cadets not make it past BCT.

Response by MSgt Steven Smigelski made Dec 27 at 2020 10:52 AM

MSgt Steven Smigelski — Sun, 27 Dec 2020 10:52:03 -0500

Believe it or not, I served 35 years (13 Army and 22 ANG) and never got sent to a war zone. My Infantry unit missed deployment by about 2 weeks when Desert Storm turned into the Mother of All Surrenders. After 9/11 I volunteered for deployment 6 times and was denied all 6 times.

Don't feel bad Bro, sometimes you can't get "over there" no matter how hard you try. And, thank you for your service!

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Dec 27 at 2020 1:09 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Sun, 27 Dec 2020 13:09:21 -0500

I think Marine Corps SGT Jones and COL Stoneking said it best. But in case you want my opinion, you've already earned your veteran status because you volunteered to serve...unlike the civilian who replied with that BS-@$$ reply. Everyone who volunteers to serve and serves earns their veteran status eventually. Length of service, era of service, rank, branch affiliation, job, gender, and duty position are irrelevant here.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Dec 28 at 2020 5:29 AM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Mon, 28 Dec 2020 05:29:12 -0500

That's when you tell these individuals who say this the following:"Okay, so I didn't deploy. Lots of Soldiers didn't deploy. SO WHAT?"

Response by Cpl Bernard Bates made Dec 28 at 2020 12:51 PM

Cpl Bernard Bates — Mon, 28 Dec 2020 12:51:00 -0500

tell them to get screwed semper fi.

Response by Cpl Bernard Bates made Dec 28 at 2020 12:51 PM

Cpl Bernard Bates — Mon, 28 Dec 2020 12:51:39 -0500

tell them to get screwed. Semper Fi.

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Dec 28 at 2020 2:14 PM

PV2 Glen Lewis — Mon, 28 Dec 2020 14:14:54 -0500

I asked that of myself for years and finally came to the conclusion that at least I volunteered to serve and I only had to answer to myself

Response by SPC Jacques Perry made Dec 29 at 2020 11:29 AM

SPC Jacques Perry — Tue, 29 Dec 2020 11:29:21 -0500

You politely explain to them that all who choose to serve and are willing to lay down their life for their country are veterans regardless of whether they deployed or not. There are countless MOS's that realistically never deploy and those personnel are all still veterans the same as those who are on the front line. REMF's have a role and without them the troops on the ground couldn't do their jobs. Believe me I felt very much the same way you do in questioning my service if I was truly a veteran for never having a combat tour (humanitarian stuff in the 90's was all i did) and after it was explained this way it made sense. Thank you for you service SPC Ackerman.

Response by SSG(P) Ell Pizarek made Dec 30 at 2020 11:03 AM

SSG(P) Ell Pizarek — Wed, 30 Dec 2020 11:03:17 -0500

What makes you a veteran is simple. You volunteered to serve and protect our nation. You worked and trained in preparation ti deploy it you supported the deployment operations. This is true for anyone who served 3 years or more.

Thank you for your service and get into the work force and use the same dedication used in the military and nobody will question your status again.

Response by SA Michael Moore made Dec 30 at 2020 2:16 PM

SA Michael Moore — Wed, 30 Dec 2020 14:16:22 -0500

I made the same commitment and took the same oath and agreed to pay the same price as any other veteran.

Response by TSgt Denise Moody made Dec 30 at 2020 3:08 PM

TSgt Denise Moody — Wed, 30 Dec 2020 15:08:09 -0500

Laugh and walk away. Vets from between conflicts have been dealing with this for decades. I was told I as just sucking off the government teat because I served between conflicts. But we were necessary, whether civilians believe it or not.

Response by Sgt Ernest Govea made Dec 31 at 2020 1:17 AM

Sgt Ernest Govea — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 01:17:47 -0500

Q: How are you even a veteran then? You didn't even serve your country.
A: Just by being in the military was service to my country. Everyone who served in the military is a veteran period. That’s how the military and the Department of Veteran Affairs sees it. And that’s how everyone sees it. No further discussion necessary.

Don’t let it eat you up. You were a member of a unique organization. One in which at any time you could have been deployed and you could have been sent into action. And you could have been killed. What you could not do is decline to go. Unless you want to face charges under the UCMJ and be disgraced. It happens.

Imagine this. A two story house is on fire. The police and fire departments are there and someone shouts “There are five kids on the second floor.” Every fireman and police officer can say “I’m not going in there.” “I’m going home to my wife and my kids tonight.” Their departments will neither take action against them nor criticize them in anyway. They have the freedom to make that choice. But you belonged to an organization in which you did not have that choice. If sent to fight you had to go, and if it meant you had to die, then you had to die, period. Maybe you never went but you belonged to that organization. And if needed, you would have gone. And if necessary, you would have died. Not everyone has been in that profession.

Response by CPL Barrie Osborne made Dec 31 at 2020 6:25 AM

CPL Barrie Osborne — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 06:25:59 -0500

Hey Bro, forget the pent-up guilt feelings. You served your country just by enlisting and o my way of thinking that makes you a veteran. Forget he dipshits that believe that to be a veteran you have had to have been deployed. BS. Where were these guys when you were slogging your guts out in basic? Buddy just get on with your life in the knowledge that you served --- and that makes you a vet.
Wish you all the best.
Barrie (A Nam vet)
I notice your post was made some time ago. No matter, I just had to respond.
Hang tough!
The response below by Vince is right on. Some home-spun truth you can understand.

Response by MSgt Kevin Mills made Dec 31 at 2020 6:37 AM

MSgt Kevin Mills — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 06:37:14 -0500

Ignore them! You served!

Response by SFC Mark Klaers made Dec 31 at 2020 6:52 AM

SFC Mark Klaers — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 06:52:51 -0500

Take pride in the fact that you did what 99% of this country can't/won't do! Please realize the VAST majority of the military never sees combat and of those that do, most never fire a shot in anger.

We all join fantasizing that we're going to be Audie Murphy. The reality is something far different. Do yourself a big favor...put that part of life in an old footlocker or duffel bag where it belongs. So much of what constitutes PTSD is because we give too much importance to it. It's a chapter in your life, don't make it either the last one or the most important one.

Response by LTC James Boland made Dec 31 at 2020 9:35 AM

LTC James Boland — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 09:35:24 -0500

My response would ne " You Dont Understand. For Three Years I wasSubject to the old saying " The Needs of the Military Dictte." I was subject to deployment at any time. Not only could I have been sent to a war zone but I could have been sent to a desireable overseas location. Not my call. I was where the Army wanted me.

Response by MSG Dale Fairbanks made Dec 31 at 2020 11:27 AM

MSG Dale Fairbanks — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 11:27:26 -0500

Sadly, the civilian that questioned your veterans status has done nothing for his/her country except tell everyone how they support veterans, and hopefully, pay taxes. You could always ask them how they could have missed out of the misery of basic training/BOC, since they seem to know what a veteran is. How about asking them how much short notice duty they performed, with no union or overtime pay to compensate you for your time. You could always ask them how many times you were put on alert, not knowing whether or not you would be deploying to some unknown location, leaving your family to virtually without assistance and support, other than family or immediate friends, until you would have returned. Lastly, ask this judgemental individual why they didn't join the military in support of this great nation. Always remember: If you can read and write, thank a teacher; if you can read and write English, thank a veteran.

Response by SSgt Ronald Krogel made Dec 31 at 2020 12:24 PM

SSgt Ronald Krogel — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 12:24:19 -0500

Do not let someone else's opinion sway you. The veteran is not only getting shot at or shooting. The military has thousands of roles to support a mission just like a private business. And you could be anywhere. Someone in Utah in a supply depot can be just as important to a mission as a mechanic installing a part coming from that depot on the battlefield.

I was in during the cold war era. I had some overseas deployments, none in battle. Glad about that. I like anyone else who has a DD-214 with honorable discharge should be considered a veteran due to the personal sacrifice. Not everyone will be called upon to make the highest sacrifice thank god but you should be proud of the mission support.

Some people are small thinkers. Thank god for the folks who work at the garbage company, janitors, grocery store folks, and all. Would be a bad world to live in if 100 percent of us were battle veterans.

Response by PFC Andrina Rich made Dec 31 at 2020 12:51 PM

PFC Andrina Rich — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 12:51:12 -0500

Not everyone's jobs were to be in theatre. There were a lot of service members who jobs were required to be done stateside (or at bases in other countries) that the folks in theatre needed to be done in order to do their jobs. For example, cryptographers never left their bunkers in their stateside base but their jobs were critical to the efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I hated my unit (a story for another day) and tried everything I could to transfer out of it, including trying to deploy (yes, it was that bad). It was refused because the job I did in my unit was "critical" (so I was told) to the success of our battalions in the field. (I was at Brigade level) I was the only person in the Brigade not deployed who had the MOS and clearance to do this one thing. The others with this MOS and clearance were on the other end.
So, just because you weren't getting covered in sand doesn't mean your contribution was any less than anyone else. Everyone is a piece of the machine and every piece of the machine is required to keep it running smoothly.
You did your job as you were required to do. You have nothing to feel bad about. You have everything to be proud of. You stepped up. You did the job you were assigned. You did you part that the military required of you. Your part is no less important than the folks who were "over there". Keep your head up. Look those jerks in the eye and ask them "and where were you?"

Response by Sgt Victor Corey made Dec 31 at 2020 2:15 PM

Sgt Victor Corey — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 14:15:46 -0500

I joined the Marine Corps in 1965. I joined to fight. In boot camp, I was told I WANTED TO BE A HELICOPTER MECHANIC. I did not want to be a mechanic. Vietnam, 1967. Maintenance shop for CH 53 Sea Stallion. Every month I volunteered for flight duty as a gunner, every month it was rejected. Then I found out my Gunny had taken my request every month and thrown it in the trash. Although I'm very proud of my service, I've always felt a bit less because I never got to fight. Just sayin.

Response by SFC Jim Dorsey made Dec 31 at 2020 3:42 PM

SFC Jim Dorsey — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 15:42:19 -0500

Have a beer, tell the dipshit to have a nice day and move on. You’re part of the brotherhood and never got called. Be thankful

Response by MSgt Andre Stringer made Dec 31 at 2020 4:53 PM

MSgt Andre Stringer — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 16:53:42 -0500

Due to no fault of their own. There are many in the military who never deployed but were of value to their service and country. Everyone who volunteered and honorable served in the military is a veteran, but not everyone can be a combat veteran. That's one of the ways to respond.

I have been in a few hotspots in South East Asian and the Middle East. In my photo we were assigned a special security detail during a conflict in Yemen and wore casual civilian clothes. Not being deployed is nothing to be ashamed of. The ones I have a problem with are called Homesteaders who do everything they can to avoid deployment. There was a MSgt in the SNCO Club who give me a lot shit because I picked up GySgt so quick. He complained it took him 18 years to get promoted to GySgt.

I noticed he only had two ribbons and asked if he every deployed. He explained and bragged how he managed to avoid deployment and spent his entire career in the States. Another GySgt pointed to my rolls of ribbons that included a Sea Service deployment and Combat Action Ribbon and called the MSgt a never been no where MFer and other SNCOs laughed at him. We have respect for those who don't deploy when it's not their fault but none for those who avoid it.

Response by PO1 Edwin Skaggs made Dec 31 at 2020 9:41 PM

PO1 Edwin Skaggs — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 21:41:19 -0500

Just because you weren't a combat veteran doesn't mean anything other than you weren't a combat veteran. I don't know the statistics of the mideast wars but when I was in Vietnam it was said that for everyone in a combat unit their were 3 in support in country. In addition there were many others that kept the supply lines working. It doesn't matter if they were clerks working supply, personnel, or training, or if they were medical technicians or hospital corpsmen working the wards of stateside hospitals they were doing what was asked of them in support of the military mission. Some of these jobs were very stressful even if not as bad as slogging through the bush never knowing when you might trigger an ambush. Those of you who did those jobs to the best of your ability an with honor are Veterans as much as any of the rest of us. Hold your head up and ignore the ignorant comments of those who never stepped up.

Response by MSgt Gregory Balint made Dec 31 at 2020 10:44 PM

MSgt Gregory Balint — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 22:44:04 -0500

Leave it alone vet, simply wearing the uniform puts you at a level many who never wore

Response by MAJ Ron Peery made Dec 31 at 2020 11:07 PM

MAJ Ron Peery — Thu, 31 Dec 2020 23:07:24 -0500

Laughter works. Bottom line, don't worry about it. The opinions of the ignorant are without value.

Response by SFC Kathy Pepper made Jan 1 at 2021 12:14 AM

SFC Kathy Pepper — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 00:14:19 -0500

I just stumbled upon your question, and I don’t know if you are still interested in answers. In 2004, I was a mobilized Army Reservist stationed at Ft Bliss, and my job was to demobilize Reserve and National Guard Soldiers who had spent up to a year in Iraq, Kuwait, or Afghanistan. Even though I already had a combat patch from 1990-1991, I was sometimes asked why I didn’t deploy, and I always responded, “They also serve who only stand and wait.”

We all serve “the needs of the Army,” and few of us have a choice of assignment. At the time of your enlistment, the Army needed you to remain stateside, in reserve in case you were needed elsewhere. If anyone wonders how you can be a veteran even though you did not serve in a combat zone, remember that the Army has granted you that honor. I see that you got over 1,000 responses to your question, which means that you have 1,000 fellow veterans who are proud of you; don’t worry about what a few knucklehead civilians might think.

A veteran: Whether active duty, retired, or national guard or reserve, is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America," for an amount of "up to and including their life." – Author Unknown

Response by SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman made Jan 1 at 2021 2:35 AM

SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 02:35:01 -0500

On the day you gathered up your courage and walked into the recruiters office, you had no idea where military service would take you. "Hope for the best, expect the worst" and you had to expect all the terror that is Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Yet you still walked through that door, prepared to go face to face with the enemy...and perhaps die. I know that feeling....I took those same steps in 1967, and found myself in Vietnam. It's that first day that sets you apart from all those that cannot summon up the courage to become a warrior. US Army

Response by LTC Donell Kelly made Jan 1 at 2021 3:55 AM

LTC Donell Kelly — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 03:55:48 -0500

You served your contractual time in service. You went through required schools training for your MOS. My knee jerk response is *ff off,” but that’s not helpful. I served for a combination of 25 yrs on AD & in USAR, training medical staff & doing hands on care as an ANC, finally deploying x 2 yrs to LRMC (Landstuhl Regional Med Cen) near the end of my career. You did your required service time, went where & when your orders sent you & did your job. There is NOTHING in that scenario that requires ANY kind of apology! So maybe “eff off” is not the politically correct reply? But you could ask anyone who questions your service to see their DD214. You did your job, completed the terms of service? You DO NOT need to apologize to anyone!

Response by PFC David McLeod made Jan 1 at 2021 8:42 AM

PFC David McLeod — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 08:42:12 -0500

That same question could've been put to me as a cold warrior, 86-90. Not alot of opportunity for a 62J to go outside the wire in the eighties.
Not sure how I would've responded. Part of me says FOAD but there's still a part of me that remembers going to sleep each night within range of soviet artillery just across the Czech border and that part of me says these dumb civilians would never understand just what we did just so they could sleep at night.
Just grin and bear it, brother, you have nothing to be ashamed of.

Response by SP5 Tom Flaherty made Jan 1 at 2021 9:03 AM

SP5 Tom Flaherty — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 09:03:49 -0500

You make an assumption the questioning of deployment was made by a civilian. Did you ever consider it was made by a soldier who always deployed vice one who never deployed? Being deployed and looking down the supply chain I was very thankful to those who kept the necessities we need coming without interruption. It is a team not separate groups each person has a valued job that provides the end result.

Response by CSM Tim Bebus made Jan 1 at 2021 10:05 AM

CSM Tim Bebus — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 10:05:31 -0500

I would answer the question this way. I went everywhere that I was told to go. This is the answer to your self because let's face it, who gives a rats ass what someone who has never served thinks. You went where you were asked to go. You served in the way your leadership wanted you to. Yo me your a stand up guy because you could easily just answer yes to that question bit instead answer truthfully. Respect Brother

Response by Col Tri Trinh made Jan 1 at 2021 12:53 PM

Col Tri Trinh — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 12:53:32 -0500

What are they questioning? How does it bother you to be concerned with it?
Not everyone has the opportunity to deploy into combat zones.
During OEF/OIF, I deployed but it was to Germany. I was a part of an over all medical system. Everyone has a role to play. That's the big picture.
Be proud you are serving in ANY capacity.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2021 1:59 PM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 13:59:29 -0500

There are many veterans who served without ever having deployed, but not a single one of them entered military service expecting or asking for an exemption to deploy. When you raised your hand you signed a blood contract that offered no guarantees for your safety or security. You honored your contract by doing what the military asked you to do. While military members understand the particulars of being in the right place (or the wrong place) at the right time to deploy, civilians who have never served don't have the right to comment on such matters. As far as I'm concerned they can all go $hit in a hat. Check out AMVETS, an organization founded by veterans who never deployed. I'm sure they have members with similar experiences and perhaps even more appropriate responses. Thank you for your service.

Response by SFC Garry Kolberg made Jan 1 at 2021 3:31 PM

SFC Garry Kolberg — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 15:31:36 -0500

We all served and were always subject to deployment to the front lines as the needs arose. But if all were on the front lines and none behind then who would process the requirements to get the weapons, the ammo, the food, the medical supplies, the equipment to those on the front lines. We all served under the same leadership (the Commander-in-Chief) and we did our duty as decided by those in the positions to put what they needed were they were needed. Those not at the front also insured that people got paid, processed necessary paperwork and did the best to provide for the families left behind. We all had a part to insure the job was done and without all the parts, the job could not be completed. We all served and we all did what was needed !

Response by SFC Kurt Brunken made Jan 1 at 2021 3:40 PM

SFC Kurt Brunken — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 15:40:42 -0500

Well that person is a jerk, but truth be told I joined after the Gulf War and damned near everyone had a combat patch. Its hard to get the experience that one gets by living 24/7 in hostile territory. So to that end there is a difference in experience and it may be a long time before people think of garrison duty as normal again.

Response by MSgt Brian Williams made Jan 1 at 2021 3:44 PM

MSgt Brian Williams — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 15:44:46 -0500

You give them the attention they deserve - none. Or you can ask them the same question. When and where did you deploy to. Then if they say they did you can remind them that not everyone deploys. In my last few years on active duty, I tried to deploy but was denied because of my AFSC. I still supported the warfighters back here and continued to do so when I retired from active duty and settled into my civilian job at NSA.

Response by SSG Walter Smith made Jan 1 at 2021 4:46 PM

SSG Walter Smith — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 16:46:36 -0500

you dont have too deploy to serve ignore them 2 time vietnam 20 year vet

Response by Sgt Karen Schleif made Jan 1 at 2021 5:14 PM

Sgt Karen Schleif — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 17:14:43 -0500

On veterans day I can be with some people, maybe at an office and someone will come in and ask all the men if they're a veteran and "Thank you for you service, thank you for your service..." My husband or someone that knows will say "She's a veteran, too" and they'll look confused and just walk away. I can say "I'm a veteran" and they'll say something like "You? You were in the military?" or just ignore the statement completely. I rarely get a sincere thank you.

I have a vet license plate on my car. I've been asked, "Is your husband a veteran?" I answer "Yes, why do you ask?" "Oh, because of the vet plates." "Those are my plates." "Is your husband a veteran?" "Yes, but those are my plates." No response.

I can't help that people have a preconceived idea of what a veteran is or looks like. I served during peace time, but my mobility bags were always packed and ready to go. If called on, I would have gone wherever or done whatever I was ordered to do. So would you. A civilian would have had a choice. We didn't.

Like Sgt Jones said in his comment, "We raised our hands and swore in."

We served honorably. And having not been deployed doesn't make us a "lesser veteran".
My DD214 is just as valid as anyone else's.

Thank you for your service, SPC Ackerman!

Response by MSG Brian Keene made Jan 1 at 2021 5:40 PM

MSG Brian Keene — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 17:40:31 -0500

You DON’T. You don’t owe them anything. Most people who only did one enlistment never deployed. I was in for over 20 years BEFORE my first deployment because we only one war and it only lasted a few months. I had actually already retired, but was called back into service in 2003. By then, I was diabetic, overweight, and had knee and back problems. I was mobilized over a dozen times (AFTER retirement) and ended up only being deployed twice. There is NO shame in doing a stateside supporting role.

Response by LT Wild Bill made Jan 1 at 2021 9:44 PM

LT Wild Bill — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 21:44:28 -0500

You volunteered...they didn't. You did your job. Had you received orders to go to the hot zone, you would have gone. Period. End of discussion. I was, decades ago, a LT in the USPHS....yes, we are a uniformed service. Almost all doctors, nurses, pharmacists....i.e. The Surgeon General and even our ever-so-present Dr. (ADM) Fauci (retired). Nope we didn't get guns....we're docs. But we did get orders to go to hot zones, hazardous duty pay, some even KIA....so I empathize. There are 7 uniformed services, 5 of them routinely are armed, 2 of them can be at times....but we all are supporting the same constitution and have the same goals. Hold your head high SPC...you've done more than 99% of the population has, be proud. Aloha, WB (LT USPHS - 83-85)

Response by SFC Lee Paquet made Jan 1 at 2021 10:24 PM

SFC Lee Paquet — Fri, 01 Jan 2021 22:24:43 -0500

I served 3 years in the Army and 20 in the Air Force. I never went to a War Zone or played in the Sand Box. But all of us stood READY at a moment's notice to do anything our Country asked us to in order to defend our Nation. The OFFICIAL definition of VETERAN is one who serves at least 180 days HONORABLY in the Military. So there are a LOT of Veterans who never went to "War" but were ready for one. Something the Civilians can't say. Note: The heading lists me as Sergeant First Class, Army, which is incorrect. I got out of the Army as an E-4 Specialist. I joined the A.F. and retired as an E-7 Master Sergeant.

Response by MSgt Gilbert Jones made Jan 2 at 2021 1:54 AM

MSgt Gilbert Jones — Sat, 02 Jan 2021 01:54:55 -0500

Don't feel bad, you have no reason to. Your name just never came up to go. I knew several guys who spent 9 and 12 years respective in Japan and were so close but never went to Viet Nam but others went, some several times. Just remember, you served your country for three years, don't matter where you were stationed. The current COC never served a day in his life - he had a big bad heel spur that kept him from being drafted. Some poor guy took his place.

Response by SGT Philip Klein made Jan 2 at 2021 11:20 AM

SGT Philip Klein — Sat, 02 Jan 2021 11:20:44 -0500

How do you know these”civilians“ never served?

Response by SSG David Angell made Jan 2 at 2021 4:57 PM

SSG David Angell — Sat, 02 Jan 2021 16:57:51 -0500

Respond by ''Ï served in the Army for 3 years and did my job that they assigned me...I would have liked to have gone to Iraq/Afghanistan..etc. but the Army decided that I was needed back here to help with the soldiers going to the front lines.
Someone has to have their backs and help them with supplies, equipment..etc.
By the way..DON"T fell ashamed of what you did in the service..EVERYONE has a JOB to do.......PERIOD.
If is wasn't for service members like you the front line people wouldn't have what was needed to win the war/battle.
I know that without support I wouldn't have had ammo, food, drinks, clothing, etc. you were/are important in any war/conflict.
I know, I've seen and been there, knowing what its like not having the necessary items to complete my assignment.
DON'T FEEL ASHAMED..BE PROUD.

Response by CPL Timothy Coffey made Jan 2 at 2021 6:39 PM

CPL Timothy Coffey — Sat, 02 Jan 2021 18:39:42 -0500

If someone is dumb enough to ask such a question you don't need to answer. First you know what you did in service, if anything close to my four years it was anything but easy, and I deployed to Micronesia, Panama, and Thailand and had three MOS. So it was anything but easy. I got sent to a contaminated base, had a job I was contaminated doing, and got an auto- immune disease that will kill me eventually for my trouble. (Scleroderma). So I get to suffer for many years before I die from pain that makes you think twice about what you did everyday. It cuts deeply into quality time you spend with Children and Grandchildren. So in short the person who asked the question don't have any idea what it means to serve correctly, Not everyone in wartime faced enemy hostilities, but key is did you put your butt on the line to serve in any situation the times called for. If you try to place quality of service based on being deployed or not there is a thousand other things to consider. I would trade my illness with many who deployed. With that said there is many who did give so much, but I doubt any of them would asked that question.

Response by SGT Frank Pritchett made Jan 2 at 2021 8:55 PM

SGT Frank Pritchett — Sat, 02 Jan 2021 20:55:20 -0500

Deployment is based on your Unit. If you wanted to Deploy there are ways to do it but it doesn't take away from your Service. The Military has to keep Unit Strength levels up in case they are needed and you were apart of that. What I question are those that go to a a Deployed unit only to get the Combat Patch or Ribbon but don't actually participate the whole deployment. I watched it during Grenada and Enduring Freedom. I call it "Stolen Valor". Be Proud of your Service.

Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Jan 2 at 2021 9:37 PM

LTC Ken Connolly — Sat, 02 Jan 2021 21:37:48 -0500

And why does their opinion matters? If you do your job to the best of your ability, then be proud of your service to the country.

Response by 1stSgt John Harrison made Jan 3 at 2021 8:47 AM

1stSgt John Harrison — Sun, 03 Jan 2021 08:47:25 -0500

Tell the moron anyone who puts on the uniform and lives through basic,boot camp, and on active duty for over 180 days is a veteran, who unlike him volunteered to be in the line of fire is a veteran, whether he deployed or not, without the REMF’s even he could be cannon fodder.

Response by SSG Brian k Printers Sr made Jan 3 at 2021 9:05 AM

SSG Brian k Printers Sr — Sun, 03 Jan 2021 09:05:53 -0500

IF the Army wanted you to deploy believe me you would have
unless you had some kind of profile, it don't really matter you served and that's it

Response by SFC James Himes made Jan 3 at 2021 11:07 AM

SFC James Himes — Sun, 03 Jan 2021 11:07:18 -0500

22+ years and never deployed. One opportunity was turned down because they needed me stateside as I was the state PBO NCO and was responsible to over see the logistics of the deployment of 9 National Guard units that did deploy during Desert Storm.
I would not even waste my time with such ignorance from civilians. You stepped up and then the military decided where you would serve. Remember less than 2% actually served in a combat zone in our conflicts since Korea. But we all have our jobs to do to make sure the rest of our fellow service members can do their jobs.

Response by TSgt Sean LaPlante made Jan 3 at 2021 2:05 PM

TSgt Sean LaPlante — Sun, 03 Jan 2021 14:05:28 -0500

I have your answer, in a simple form. A veteran is a person that has completed 181 days of continuous service of active duty. That in the simplest form is the definition of veteran. Now, you have nothing to be ashamed of. I hold you & anyone that signs their name & swears the oath of enlistment to this nation in high regard. You said you would defend this nation, not the other person. Three years is not a long time. There are a lot veterans that haven’t deployed that served 3, 4, or even longer. I know because I’m one of them. That being said, I have stood guard with a loaded weapon while serving in Europe during a war in S.W. Asia, called the Gulf War. Just because you didn’t go, doesn’t mean or make your service less valuable & don’t believe for one second that some random person can take that away. Remember you signed, you served & you are a veteran.

Response by MSG Terry Lingle made Jan 3 at 2021 6:29 PM

MSG Terry Lingle — Sun, 03 Jan 2021 18:29:18 -0500

I spent 20 years in the US Army, never saw action, never fired my assigned weapon except on the range (I even served in some units that had no assigned weapons) and never had a weapon fired at me. I served four overseas tours, spent about half my time in service in CONUS and received hostile fire pay when serving on the DMZ in Korea in 69 or 70. I’ve met grunts who served in combat and clerks who sat behind desks in a combat zone and never were at serious risk of bodily injury or death. In short, we all went where we were ordered to go and did what we were ordered to do. I admire and appreciate those who faced our enemies and risked all for our country. My service (and yours) is just as important as theirs. In the rare instances I’ve encountered anyone who questioned my service, I’ve simply said, “It’s the Army. I went where they sent me and did my duty.” If I’d been sent to ‘nam (that was “my” war) I’d have done my duty to the best of my ability regardless of any risk. Instead, I wound up in Korea. Until I got to Fort Lewis to fly out, though, I thought my orders were for ‘nam because that’s what I’d been told at Fort Huachuca where I got my orders on completing AIT. This is before the days when they began putting the country of assignment in the orders. I followed my orders and went where they sent me. It’s what we do. Most don’t. We serve so they can live their lives in peace and prosperity...and sometimes, ignorance. I never let any of that bother me, any more than I cared about those who called me “lifer” behind my back. You shouldn’t either. Thank you for your service.

Response by Sgt Robert Lombard made Jan 3 at 2021 7:19 PM

Sgt Robert Lombard — Sun, 03 Jan 2021 19:19:33 -0500

Two of my brothers served in combat in WW2. Neither of them doubted my "veteranness' because I served in peacetime, between 1954 and 1963. That's all I ever needed to know.

Response by SSG Timothy McCoy made Jan 3 at 2021 7:50 PM

SSG Timothy McCoy — Sun, 03 Jan 2021 19:50:25 -0500

Look him straight in the eye, and ask him why he hasn’t signed up for the military.
Then tell him to fuck off and die, walk away.
You wrote the same check that I did. The check to our fine country for your time and all up to and including your life.
Someone Hass to fix the stuff we break if you do the assignment to fix that tank was in a state not a facility forward the message to Jones here in the states.
Carry on Troop and enjoy your VET life.

Response by COL John Cuddy made Jan 3 at 2021 8:28 PM

COL John Cuddy — Sun, 03 Jan 2021 20:28:34 -0500

Just relax. Do your job well and be prepared for your opportunity. If it doesn’t happen that does not detract from your service. Be proud that you raised your right hand and joined the brotherhood!

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Jan 3 at 2021 11:50 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Sun, 03 Jan 2021 23:50:10 -0500

I’d like to take a little bit a different answer to this. On this page I’ve seen many of veteran put down other veterans because they weren’t as “ military combat hero Frontline Throop” this is just a different type of the same thing. I’m very proud of my 21 years in the Air Force. I spent three months of that 21 years in actual combat situations. What often see “ infantry soldiers“ putting down others. Unless you’ve got a Congressional medal of honor. A veteran is a veteran. It’s a civilian put you down. First why do you even bother dealing with him. But if you must answer my suggestion is. “ you don’t know shit about what you’re talking about you’ve never been in the military you never put your life on the line for anything“

Response by FN Charlie Spivey made Jan 4 at 2021 10:22 AM

FN Charlie Spivey — Mon, 04 Jan 2021 10:22:59 -0500

Well. let me put another spin on that. I had always intended to follow my dad into the Navy. int oct. '64, there was this little thing in the Tonkin gulf Yacht Club and things started escalating. I am a Senior in High School. but somehow was classified 1A. Anyway, I make it to spring and during the easter Break, I head off to the Navy recruiter. First one I get to is the Coast Guard Recruiter. I had seen their stations on the Outer Banks and thought that would be a cool place to be. I step in and am looking at the Brochures. At the same Time i was thinking I needed to get my Military Obligations out of the way, and may make it a career. The Recruiter walks over and starts talking and somewhere along the way, he informs me that it would count as my Military Obligation. I am thinking that Vietnam was heating up and the Coast Guard had no assets over there. I go throiught the drill and laa that is left is to Graduate and come back and raise my right hand and off to basic. Well, with the Government, The Outer Banks turned into Cape Cod. I swore in, in June '65, two years later I was in the Mekong Delta. I wasn't looking to be deployed anywhere. Some units / MOSs are likely to be deployed quicker than others. Lack of a Deployment doesn't diminish your service in the least.

Response by Sgt Mario Soberal made Jan 4 at 2021 5:28 PM

Sgt Mario Soberal — Mon, 04 Jan 2021 17:28:19 -0500

why do you give a f**K what other people think? Marines don't look for a pat on the back.
I would get up in his face and ask him what he did...

Response by SFC Oddie Brown made Jan 4 at 2021 5:37 PM

SFC Oddie Brown — Mon, 04 Jan 2021 17:37:25 -0500

This person is ignorant. First of all the military as a whole has a small percentage of soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines that are what you call "combat arms." Out of that small percentage, an even smaller percentage will get the call to deploy to a combat zone. OUT OF THAT AN EVEN SMALLER PERCENTAGE WILL ACTUALLY ENGAGE THE ENEMY IN COMBAT. It really is true you could actually join the military and NEVER see combat even if you are combat arms. Now for you and others that didn't deploy to a combat zone or hostile area it is NOT YOUR FAULT. Remember these words if you are army: "In accordance to the needs of the army" means you go where they send you when they send you. You don't join the army and tell them you want to go to Afghanistan or wherever because you "think you want to kill bad guys." There are a select few that this has happened to especially during Desert Storm that was no fault of their own. You swear an oath to defend the Constitution of the US. The Pentagon and the powers that be will tell you how, where and when you will do that. The military has many layers and we all play a part whether at the tip of the spear or in support.

Response by SFC Michael Pemberton made Jan 4 at 2021 6:50 PM

SFC Michael Pemberton — Mon, 04 Jan 2021 18:50:26 -0500

I served in the USAF from 1968-72. I did hardship tours in the Aleutian Islands and Mojave Desert before going to Viet-Nam. I was a supply clerk. Twelve years later I was in Army basic as an Armor Crewman. The Drill Sergeant asked all prior service to stand. I stood. Then he asked what unit we had served with. When I announced my unit, he said before the entire assembly, "You aren't a veteran". Discipline kept me from asking him his unit. A Marine doesn't consider someone in any other branch worthy to breath air. A SEAL is convinced that they are the only true warriors. You learn to just scrape that crap off of the sole of your boot.
Every soldier, warrior, and civilian that asks about my service gets told that I served in Viet-Nam, twice on the Korean DMZ, in West Germany along the Iron Curtain, and in the Persian Gulf War. To those who lament that they didn't serve or were not deployed, I simply reply that they didn't miss a thing. Perhaps they couldn't serve, but they were part of the economy that produced our weapons, machines, bullets, bombs, beans, band aids, and toilet paper.
We recently experienced the panic of being without toilet paper and clean water, right? To keep a combat troop alive and well takes administrative, technical, supply, medical, food service, postal clerks, Chaplain's Assistants, musicians, and a whole lot of unsung heroes. You have no reason to kneel before or apologize to anyone. I relied on you and people like you to keep America safe and running while I was away.
I will be eternally grateful to the mechanic that fixed my tank, the medics who patched me up, the guys that delivered fuel and ammo, and the cook that served me a hot meal. If they worked in the rear echelon or stateside, they supported me indirectly. That makes you my hero. You were worth everything I went through. I couldn't have done it without you. God bless and keep you.

Response by Col Robert Lucania made Jan 5 at 2021 4:57 AM

Col Robert Lucania — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 04:57:42 -0500

Alexander great question and one many ponder. I can't speak from a current perspective; however, I can tell you how I dealt with this in past. During my career officers received promotion recommendations, a 8 line summary of individuals' entire career. It's an art to fit 15-25-years of stellar service in 8 lines. A few approving authorities believed deployment was a requirement to receive a recommendation approval. As a commander here was my dilemma, many medical officers were in career fields that didn't deploy. Just because there's no deployment slot why should an officer with stellar leadership skills and potential for next rank be denied a promotion opportunity. My argument was the officer had no slot or opportunity to deploy due to their career field. Even though not in deployment setting they're working just as hard if not harder to support deployment whether CONUS or OCONUS and demonstrating leadership at home station. Supporting medical missions involves taking care of families so those deployed have a clear mind while performing their mission. In addition, some commanders have difficulty deploying due to limited positions. You don't have to deploy to be brave or be a leader, doing your best during service is what it takes. I know for a fact when it comes to medical, logistics and support, those deployed where glad you had their back Stateside, the mission could not work without that support. Alexander, thank you for your service and for the opportunity to answer this question.

Response by SPC John Veenstra made Jan 5 at 2021 11:30 AM

SPC John Veenstra — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 11:30:07 -0500

Okay, so I spent a year in combat in 1967. So I don't have this problem. However for many years after I came home, the question we dreaded was were you in Vietnam? Then the fights would start, after being called a baby killer it's hard to hold your temper.
However the simpler answer I have for you is, before you answer, ask them where they were deployed! If they ask you how you can call yourself a veteran, if they did not serve ask them how they can call themselves patriotic Americans. I say this because in my mind any civilian who never served that would ask such a question is a butt head. I had a buddy drafted just after I was and he served in Germany. It was the luck of the draw, unless you were like me and 29 other nut jobs I knew who in the reception center volunteered for Combat duty in Vietnam. So does this mean he is any less of a veteran than I am, of course not. The only opinion you need to know is that combat veterans know you are just as much a veteran as we are. Or you could just ask them how F*****G! stupid are they to even ask such a question.

Response by SSG Alford Pouse made Jan 5 at 2021 12:26 PM

SSG Alford Pouse — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 12:26:26 -0500

I have spent 20yrs in and never deployed to a combat area. My problem isn't civilians asking question but being told by fellow service members that I'm not a real Vet because of this.

Response by SSG Alford Pouse made Jan 5 at 2021 12:35 PM

SSG Alford Pouse — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 12:35:13 -0500

I don't have the civilian problem but I do have a problem with some fellow Vets saying that even after 20yrs in I am not a real Vet because I did not deploy to a combat area.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2021 3:23 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 15:23:04 -0500

First thing is to remember is you are dealing with a civilian. Probably one that says they'll never join because if a DI yelled at them would punch them. You get the point. Last I checked they are not in the 1percent that volunteered to serve their country in a time of war so their opinion don't mean shit to me and it shouldn't to you either. Also remember young soldier you have only been in three years, deployments will come. I was In 14 years before my first one. If they don't then consider yourself lucky man and except the fact that you joined and did your part. Take pride in what you did because people like that civilian don't have the backbone to do what we do.

Response by PO3 Troy Wartman made Jan 5 at 2021 3:27 PM

PO3 Troy Wartman — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 15:27:10 -0500

Tell them that you still have a kill quota that isnt completed yet.

Response by CPL Shawn Owens made Jan 5 at 2021 4:21 PM

CPL Shawn Owens — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 16:21:00 -0500

I served as a Tanker during the mid 80s. The closest I got to combat was NTC.

I have a Nephew, my sister's younger son, who has served a couple of tours in the Middle East in his career and is looking forward to his E-7 boards pretty soon. He's a Tanker too. He was just a baby when I got out, but he used to listen to me tell stories of some of the hijinks my fellow soldiers and I got up to. I like to think I inspired his career choice just a little bit.

So while I didn't contribute on the battle field, I like to think I helped build one hell of a young soldier who did, even if just a little bit. That's enough.

Response by SPC Darren Coffenberry made Jan 5 at 2021 5:03 PM

SPC Darren Coffenberry — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 17:03:16 -0500

Let me tell you something and those who disagree only do so because their ego is bigger than their brain. If you ever put on a uniform and served this country in ANY capacity, you're a soldier just the same as those who have deployed into combat zones. I am sorry to say but those who question your value of service need to look at themselves. I served for almost 9 years and in a NG unit...does that really make me any less of a Veteran than a fella who deployed ? I don't believe it does but that is just me. When we all signed that dotted line at MEPS we all wrote a blank check up to including our lives if need be.....glad it never came to that for me and many others. But i do wholeheartedly honor and respect those who have stood a post in a foreign land and allowed me to sleep at night without bombs going off outside my windows. My brothers and sisters in arms around the world are what keeps my mind at ease.

Response by CPT Jerry Lucas made Jan 5 at 2021 8:53 PM

CPT Jerry Lucas — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 20:53:10 -0500

Specialist, you did EVERYTHING your nation asked you to do, and probably a bit more. You volunteered to serve and did so for three years and EARNED an Honorable Discharge. You did a heck of a lot more than most people have ever done. As the old recruiting commercial on TV said, "We do more by 10 AM than most people do all day." Be proud of your service, because the fact is, the Army would not of had you where you were, if they did not need you there. Somebody had to be there, you were the "lucky" person. For every combat arms soldier, there are about nine combat support/combat service support soldiers.You did your assigned duties to the best of your abilities. That is all we can ask of our people, no matter what profession you are in. Be proud of yourself for doing what was asked of you. If someone else ever asks you what you did, tell them, "I did everything they asked me to do. Why didn't you volunteer?"

Response by SMSgt Keith Klug made Jan 6 at 2021 7:42 AM

SMSgt Keith Klug — Wed, 06 Jan 2021 07:42:48 -0500

You served. You and your skills were just not needed over in the deployed location, but were needed elsewhere. Be proud of your service, you go where the military needs you.

Response by SP5 John Eskins made Jan 6 at 2021 7:50 AM

SP5 John Eskins — Wed, 06 Jan 2021 07:50:32 -0500

So SPC Ackerman, the first thing you should've done was to ask this person if they served and deployed. You'll find out most of the time the person being mouthy was never in service themselves, and if they did the odds of them deploying to a combet zone is pretty much questionable because almost everyone who did go into combat would not question somebody else's time. Those of us who did serve in combat knows it takes more than just a bunch of grunts to engage in a war. Without rear echelon we'd be walking into a trap everytime. Your time is just as valuable as ours was, in fact maybe more. I'd like to see this person say that to one of the Navaho Windtalkers. Or the guys who came out in the jungle's of Vietnam and hauled my butt back to CP to get patched up. And my VA doctor who spent 25 years of his life helping us without ever being in the military, he did this for us as his way of doing his part. Now I have to ask, would you want to say any one of these guys didn't matter because they didn't deploy?
Usually when someone asks me about deployment, the next thing they want to ask is , "Did you kill anyone?" I then respond to them with, "Yeah, ya want me to show you how I did it!"
War is a terrible, terrible thing and I'm happy you didn't have to go thru that part of it but make no mistake of it, you were just a valuable as one of us out in the bush, be proud of serving. We never said it too much but we were very glad you guys were there, thank you for your service SPC Ackerman. Just hearing one of you guys on the other end of a PRC-25 was calming, it let us know we were not alone and forgotten.

Response by Cpl Vic Burk made Jan 6 at 2021 7:03 PM

Cpl Vic Burk — Wed, 06 Jan 2021 19:03:04 -0500

I am guessing that you just didn't receive the orders to go but would have if ordered to do so. I wouldn't let some smuck get me down about this. You were ready, willing and able. What was the person who told that to you? Most likely they never served a day in the military so they, of all people have NO right to make such a statement to you. If they went and served they would not have made that statement. Veteran's know that when they sign that contract it is up to and including the cost of their life if need be. Thank you for your service brother.

Response by SSG Brian L. made Jan 6 at 2021 7:48 PM

SSG Brian L. — Wed, 06 Jan 2021 19:48:04 -0500

I got your back... still a brother in arms

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Jan 6 at 2021 8:43 PM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Wed, 06 Jan 2021 20:43:02 -0500

You go where your orders take you. I had a Navy friend to spend 3 years, during the Viet Nam War, stationed on land in Hawaii. I knew an Army buddy who spend his tour in Germany. Flip the coin, knew an Airmen had two deployments to Thailand followed by a year in Viet Nam. Just because you are in the military does not mean you are going to war or even be deployed.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Jan 6 at 2021 8:58 PM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Wed, 06 Jan 2021 20:58:27 -0500

I never deployed either. I served 22 years going where the Air Force sent me and doing the missions I was assigned. I volunteered for Vietnam and was sent to Virginia. I served overseas—in Alaska. I’m in no way ashamed of my service. My answer: “I served where our country needed me. I didn’t get a lot of choice. How about you?”

Response by SSgt Eric Owens made Jan 7 at 2021 12:14 AM

SSgt Eric Owens — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 00:14:32 -0500

Alexander, you need to learn to stand up against ignorance. He is most likely just another civilian puke who has never served himself but would be the first to run to the border when they're asked to serve. Good thing for him it wasn't me he was talking to. I would have ripped him a new six. I have no tolerance for it. Recognition of service has nothing to do with being deployed. People like that need to be put in their place. You had the courage to take the path. Survive basic. Wear the uniform. You were a 91 Alpha. That is one of the toughest jobs in the Army. It takes courage to treat the wounded while being shot at. You were a part of a long history of 91Alphas dating back to WWII. Take pride in that you served honorably. The next time some loser civilian asks you that ask them this: could you treat someone wounded while being shot at and have you served the private sector honorably?

Response by SPC Brian Mason made Jan 7 at 2021 5:20 AM

SPC Brian Mason — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 05:20:22 -0500

People who tend to whine the loudest b/c a solder didn't deploy never served. They make up some excuse about why they didn't. There's a good chance you'll have some ELS people in there as well. BCT is not as hard as people make it out to be.
We're not better b/c we deployed and you're not worse b/c you didn't. Some part of our military has to stay home to protect the country. Only a mental midget would send all of his/her armed forces away leaving that country unprotected.
I'm sure many will agree. We have been through war and as a Medic, I do NOT wish that on people if they can avoid it. It will change who you are permanently. Depending on your personal experience and accomplishments while in you are doing more than all who can't talk the talk or walk the walk.
As a soldier, I would conduct myself better than what they've shown to be.

Response by SGT Daniel Jones made Jan 7 at 2021 8:35 AM

SGT Daniel Jones — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 08:35:25 -0500

I served from 1974 - 1983, I never saw action. I spent one in Korea while my wife raised our children at home. I have an idea of how leaving your family behind feels but I would never pretend to know how it feels to be in combat. My son was in combat in Afghanistan. I can see the change it made in him. I never experienced that, and I praise God and our Presidents of my time served for that.
When asked about my service I always qualify it first by making the person aware I never served in combat. I served my country so I accept their thank you, if someone does not want to thank me that is their option.
I have never filed a claim for medical benefits because I feel that should be reserved for those who actually put their life on the line, that is my option. If non-combat medical claims were eliminated maybe the VA could keep up.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2021 9:43 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 09:43:50 -0500

Easy. I served. Did you?

Response by CPL Marcellus Jordan made Jan 7 at 2021 9:59 AM

CPL Marcellus Jordan — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 09:59:31 -0500

You should NEVER feel bad for having VOLUNTARILY Honorably served your country! The truth of the matter is that the rear support is an absolute necessity! It’s the mechanics repairing and shipping equipment, it’s the Doctors in the hospitals in the rear that patch us up when we return, its the physical therapist that rehabbed me when I was told I would never be able to return to an infantry unit and I was able to rejoin my ORIGINAL unit, it’s the communications experts who develop, maintain and ensure that when we’re under fire we can call for fire because we have reliable equipment, it’s the Personel in PAC that ensures our families keep getting our allotments in order for our families to pay the bills...ALL military Personel is essential and supports the fighting soldier in some capacity, directly and or indirectly trust me the guys bringing chow, the driver bringing us water, field showers, ensures that we have ammo and essential gear that we’ve worn out are all essential! You have NO IDEA how happy and appreciative we are for it to get an occasional hot meal after having lived off of MRE’s! In short... THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE should be all that comes out of a civilians mouth as they have no idea about the sacrifices that we make/made. Once again THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE from one Vet to another!

Response by SSG Dave Johnston made Jan 7 at 2021 11:47 AM

SSG Dave Johnston — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 11:47:18 -0500

The same way I do, just tell your detractors that you were "Assigned to the right unit at the wrong time or the wrong unit at the right time". Either way You served, just as I did
AD: 01/76 to 09/92
USAR: 09/92 to 07/07

Response by PO3 Brian Tatem made Jan 7 at 2021 12:41 PM

PO3 Brian Tatem — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 12:41:57 -0500

Wow. Unfortunately this question comes from those who don't understand the inherent dangers all who have served faced. No, I never deployed to combat situations, as a Corpsman and 8404 Field Medicine trained it was always a real possibility. I was however on a ship. Our brothers and sisters die more often than is realized on ships and training exercises. No you don't have to be deployed to be a veteran, you volunteered to pack your Sea Bag on a moments notice!

Response by LTC Laura Wickett made Jan 7 at 2021 1:09 PM

LTC Laura Wickett — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 13:09:10 -0500

You have nothing to be upset about. Thousands never went over seas during WW II, Korea, Vietnam etc yet they all served their country with honor.

Response by SPC Clayton Ellzey made Jan 7 at 2021 1:19 PM

SPC Clayton Ellzey — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 13:19:06 -0500

Tell him go _____ himself

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2021 1:31 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 13:31:01 -0500

you do not deal with it,...
your deployed / not deployed history is predicated by the needs of the Army,...
you owe nobody any justification concerning the needs of the Army,...
that's Army business, nobody else's,....

Response by Cpl Richard Leonard made Jan 7 at 2021 3:07 PM

Cpl Richard Leonard — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 15:07:07 -0500

I swore an oath, I trained and stood ready to go when needed. I wore the uniform and I have my DD 214 that says I served honorably. How am I different and walk away with your head up. YOU OWE NO OTHER COMMENT.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2021 3:53 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 15:53:52 -0500

SO this will definitely come up, especially if we wind down our mobilizations. Already there are fewer and fewer MOBs that will even be in combat hazardous areas... let alone see combat period. This is a good thing. The military is NOT about shooting people up. It's about sacrifice, and you made way more of a sacrifice than civilians ever would. So just like some have said, keep in your mind that you have zero "F#cks" to give for those that question your service. You know yourself best, they can F#ck off.

Deployment is not what makes a service member. You can remind civilians that although you have not deployed, the difference between them and you is that you answered the call of the nation to be ready if need be. That is the key difference. And if any service member tries to play the "one-up" game because someone doesn't have a MOB patch on their right shoulder, you can also kindly remind them that promotion packets offer more points for education and training than for how many months mobilized.....

The present and future decisions and actions of Soldier is what makes them great. Their History defines them up to a point, but the willingness of a Soldier far outweighs what they did and what situation they find themselves in. It's easy to see the hard workers vs the ones that don't work at all. Even dirtbags have deployed. Doesn't mean they were good Soldiers.

Response by MSG Dennis Lane made Jan 7 at 2021 6:41 PM

MSG Dennis Lane — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 18:41:58 -0500

You most certainly served your country! Thank you for that. The moment you took the oath, you made a commitment to serve when and where you were required. That you were not required to serve in a deployment doesn't matter. You made yourself available. And you sacrificed things that civilians never volunteered to sacrifice. So ignore those who don't know any better. Stand proud, Veteran!

Response by 1SG James Long made Jan 7 at 2021 7:37 PM

1SG James Long — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 19:37:18 -0500

Read the definition of an armed forces veteran and you will have your answer. Also you should find that deployments are not a requirment to be a veteran. Hold your head up.

Response by Capt Victor LaBoy made Jan 7 at 2021 8:05 PM

Capt Victor LaBoy — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 20:05:57 -0500

First and foremost it is an ALL VOLUNTEER FORCE, so you stand above the rest just by serving your country.
Second, for those of us that forward deployed, we still needed the folks back at the home front as backups, admin duties, some that helped out our dependents while we were out, some trained fellow Airfirce, Army, Navy, Marine and Coast Guard personnel to keep those forward deployed going. So your service is greatly appreciated.

Response by LCpl Jeff Moore made Jan 7 at 2021 8:40 PM

LCpl Jeff Moore — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 20:40:34 -0500

Tell that civilian at least you had the balls to join. But why did you only do 3 years vs 4? Was there some legitimate reason you had for no deploying? I have a bigger issue when I saw a 18 year air force second that never been outside the US in the same field and unit as a nco that had 6 years and spent 4 deployed.

Response by Maj Wayne Crist made Jan 7 at 2021 8:50 PM

Maj Wayne Crist — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 20:50:30 -0500

I served 20 years and never deployed to a combat zone. Not because I didn't try, but the powers that be determined I was needed somewhere else. Never and mean NEVER let any one tell you are not a veteran, particularly a non volunteer civilian. Only about 7% of current population can say they are Veterans. When everyone who has lived since WWII the percentage is much smaller. those who have served and seen combat is even smaller. Sir always be proud to part of that very small group that are called Veteran. To answer the civilian just tell your unit was never called to deploy but stayed in place to defend nation - it is called serving our nation.

Response by Amn Vernon Allen made Jan 8 at 2021 3:39 PM

Amn Vernon Allen — Fri, 08 Jan 2021 15:39:20 -0500

you did serve you country by supporting the men than went, your job was maybe supply food,equp.
adam and other jobs that had to be doun hear in the states.

Response by 1SG Billye Jackson made Jan 8 at 2021 7:41 PM

1SG Billye Jackson — Fri, 08 Jan 2021 19:41:26 -0500

Ask to see their DD214 if they don't have Tell them to Kiss your Ass.

Response by 1SG Billye Jackson made Jan 8 at 2021 7:42 PM

1SG Billye Jackson — Fri, 08 Jan 2021 19:42:33 -0500

Ask them for their DD214, if they don't have one tell them to KISS YOUR ASS.

Response by Sgt Peter Schlesiona made Jan 9 at 2021 11:10 AM

Sgt Peter Schlesiona — Sat, 09 Jan 2021 11:10:05 -0500

If they are civilians who never served, just ask them - “Are YOU serious?”
If it’s some dumb-ass vet, ask “Did YOU get every assignment you requested? Did you ever hear about ‘needs of the service’?”

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Jan 10 at 2021 12:41 PM

1SG James Kelly — Sun, 10 Jan 2021 12:41:45 -0500

Just tell them:
Eat shit
Bark at the moon
Die
And go to hell
Also offer to help them in all aspects of the a fore mentioned.

23 years; 5 Air Force, 18 Army.
Couldn't even get in a fight in the NCO Club.
The guys that a sleeve full of combat bars used to ask me how I missed; just told them I volunteered my ass off and decided I was crazy and wouldn't let me go.
You follow orders and go where you are told.

Response by 1SG Eddie Jones made Jan 10 at 2021 6:52 PM

1SG Eddie Jones — Sun, 10 Jan 2021 18:52:46 -0500

You still signed the blank check, you spent your time. There many that never deploy because of MOS.

Response by SSG Sidney Galloway made Jan 19 at 2021 5:31 PM

SSG Sidney Galloway — Tue, 19 Jan 2021 17:31:40 -0500

Colonel Stoneking beat me to it. While Chunky Lumpkin was wiping his Cheetos-stained fingers on his mother's couch, what were you doing? YOU were standing, at the ready, willing to do what most of us were ready to do. Whoever says what that troglodyte says isn't even close to being in your league. Ignore the ignorant. That's mine. Feel free to use it.

Response by LTJG Sandra Smith made Jan 19 at 2021 9:35 PM

LTJG Sandra Smith — Tue, 19 Jan 2021 21:35:19 -0500

Uncle Sam devides where he needs each of us to serve, at any given time, but you signed the same "blank check" as every other person who puts on the uniform. You went where you weresent, did the job asked of you. It's not up to a civilian, who never did any of that, to judge you as "not a veteran", because you didn't get sent into an active war zone. People die due to service related cause right here in the US too. Are they less dead, somehow? I don't think so. Don't accept the denigration from others, whose only clue came from Hollywood. You are a veteran too, and earned that title, same as the rest of us.

Response by TSgt Pamela Hoelscher made Jan 20 at 2021 7:11 PM

TSgt Pamela Hoelscher — Wed, 20 Jan 2021 19:11:20 -0500

you didn't have to go to Iraq or Afghanistan to be a veteran. That person was ignorant to what a veteran is or what it means to serve. We all signed on the line to serve even if it meant giving our lives. EVERY ONE of us did that.
Next time tell them you are a proud soldier who served and promised your very life. Don't let stupid people and haters make you feel any less that who and what you are.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2021 10:11 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 10:11:14 -0500

Not everyone's job in the Military is to kick in the doors. All the jobs in the Military are just as important as the others (some may disagree) and wars could not be won if there wasn't someone behind a desk (whether its CONUS or OCONUS) pushing maintenance, fuel, supply, ammo, someone cooking the meals or in your case doing your job here in the states. It takes a team to fight. If it comes up again I would just look them in the eye and tell them "I did my duty!" As a leader every time this came up with my younger Soldiers I always thought of this Biblical Story.

'Then David returned to the brook Besor and met up with the 200 men who had been left behind because they were too exhausted to go with him. They went out to meet David and his men, and David greeted them joyfully. But some evil troublemakers among David’s men said, “They didn’t go with us, so they can’t have any of the plunder we recovered. Give them their wives and children, and tell them to be gone.” But David said, “No, my brothers! Don’t be selfish with what the Lord has given us. He has kept us safe and helped us defeat the band of raiders that attacked us. Who will listen when you talk like this? We share and share alike—those who go to battle and those who guard the equipment.” '
1 Samuel 30:21-24
https://my.bible.com/bible/116/1SA.30.21-24

1 Samuel 30:21-24 Then David returned to the brook Besor and met up with the 200 men who had been...

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Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Jan 21 at 2021 8:56 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:56:03 -0500

Loser civilians always ask questions like that. Just look them up and down, snicker and walk away.

Response by SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM made Jan 29 at 2021 7:36 AM

SFC Louis Willhauck, MSM, JSCM, and ARCOM — Fri, 29 Jan 2021 07:36:32 -0500

And then sometimes you get accused of doing something you didn't... like that young female ( I won't say lady) that spat on me in the Atlanta airport in 1971. In those days, except under certain situations we had to travel in Class A's. I came down on Viet Nam "levy" but got taken off because I was "on alert" for a "special assignment"... The Army felt I was MORE NEEDED someplace else.

Fortunately (or unfortunately perhaps) except for the "baby killer" incident in Atlanta, I have never encountered someone who denigrates my service. God help them if anyone ever does! That goes for both those who never served AND those who seem to think that only combat counts.

Response by MSgt Chandos Clapper made Jan 31 at 2021 6:02 PM

MSgt Chandos Clapper — Sun, 31 Jan 2021 18:02:11 -0500

I wouldn’t sweat it. I deployed numerous times as a medic. Those who didn’t deploy supported us and we wouldn’t have succeeded without their support. Not all GIs are trigger pullers. Thank you for your service brother.

Response by SFC James (JD) Flemal made Jan 31 at 2021 6:26 PM

SFC James (JD) Flemal — Sun, 31 Jan 2021 18:26:10 -0500

You signed a blank check to the United States of America to support and defend the constitution to include giving your life. Who is he to judge? What did he do? You’re a Veteran and Soldier. He can NEVER take that from you! Stand tall Veteran!

Response by CW5 Mark Smith made Jan 31 at 2021 9:25 PM

CW5 Mark Smith — Sun, 31 Jan 2021 21:25:53 -0500

You served. The end. A WWII vet is a vet. Doesn't matter if he never left the states. You served and that is enough.

Response by PO3 Robert Buckels made Feb 1 at 2021 12:27 PM

PO3 Robert Buckels — Mon, 01 Feb 2021 12:27:44 -0500

My response would be to simply state that I was willing, but unfortunately (or Fortunately if you ask my mother) my number didn't come up. I made myself available and Uncle Sam didn't choose me. BTW, what have you done for your country?

Response by LtCol Paul Bowen made Feb 1 at 2021 8:48 PM

LtCol Paul Bowen — Mon, 01 Feb 2021 20:48:05 -0500

Point out that Clint Eastwood served as a swimming pool life guard and no one ever called him out.

Point out that Steve McQueen served in the Marines and never saw combat.

Service is Service... the more HONORABLE, the better.

Response by Cpl Robert Russell Payne made Feb 2 at 2021 4:21 PM

Cpl Robert Russell Payne — Tue, 02 Feb 2021 16:21:12 -0500

If someone does that to you then question their's right back. I bet they give you a load of BS about the things they did on deployment.

Response by SGT Mark Moen made Feb 7 at 2021 11:36 AM

SGT Mark Moen — Sun, 07 Feb 2021 11:36:58 -0500

There too many people who are appreciative for your service to let those who doubt you. I served 13 years and never was deployed past a muster and when I am thanked as a veteran I take that thank you for everyone who serves. I smile and thank them and for those who doubt, I smile and like the Colonel said, Carry on. You are professional soldier who stood ready.

Response by 1SG Ken Bedwell made Feb 7 at 2021 12:50 PM

1SG Ken Bedwell — Sun, 07 Feb 2021 12:50:15 -0500

You raised your hand and did your time. You are a veteran.
You had the courage to strap on a pair of boots and ruck up. Had you been ordered to deploy I am sure you would have. (It's really a matter of duty assignment and timing).
Those that didn't raise their hand and join a service branch have zero skin in the game when it comes to who deserves to be called a veteran vs who does not.

Response by TSgt Gary Garvin made Feb 8 at 2021 9:19 AM

TSgt Gary Garvin — Mon, 08 Feb 2021 09:19:14 -0500

stupid coward civilans

Response by CPL Jerry Galloway made Feb 8 at 2021 9:59 AM

CPL Jerry Galloway — Mon, 08 Feb 2021 09:59:43 -0500

Don't sweat it. I served during desert storm. In the 82nd airborne. I left bragg during the whole thing. Yes, I am not a combat veteran but I am a veteran no the less.
Our brothers and sisters in arms will tell you, if you completed basic/AIT and have been honorable discharged then you are a VETERAN. You are part of the less than 7% that made the cut.
Stand tall and drive on.

Response by SP5 Bill Kelley made Feb 8 at 2021 11:44 AM

SP5 Bill Kelley — Mon, 08 Feb 2021 11:44:06 -0500

I am a Vietnam-ERA Army Veteran. I was drafted but after testing I was given an MOS for my Civilian Acquired Skill; 83F20.

I never deployed to Vietnam. But I showed up, did my job and made E-5/Spec 5 in less than 2 years.

That’s who I am. No regrets, no misgivings.

I’m not a Combat Veteran, just a U.S. Citizen who came when called and did the job they asked of me.

Not sure why I should feel embarrassed and when I’m asked or meet other vets, and the topic comes up, I explain as I did above.

Response by CPT Thomas Monahan made Feb 8 at 2021 11:47 AM

CPT Thomas Monahan — Mon, 08 Feb 2021 11:47:28 -0500

Deployment is not in your control. I was a Cold Warrior and sat in the Fulda Gap in a static defense. Because the diplomats did not want to admit that we were at “odds” with the USSR didn’t mean we weren’t ready for the ballon to go up. For us there were no medals, parades, or congratulations. We won the Cold War and if some one says we didn’t I simply reply, “You are not speaking to me in Russian.”

Response by Pvt Jeff Oehlsen made Feb 9 at 2021 3:19 PM

Pvt Jeff Oehlsen — Tue, 09 Feb 2021 15:19:37 -0500

Why are you talking to civilians ? What is wrong with you ? Also, why would anything they say have any effect on you ? Stop being worthless and weak. You know what you did, you know you did your job and fuck them.

Response by CDR William Kempner made Feb 9 at 2021 5:25 PM

CDR William Kempner — Tue, 09 Feb 2021 17:25:41 -0500

I would have ripped him a new one right there. No CIVILIAN EVER has the right to judge a veteran's service, even guys with BCD's and DD's. A silent nod is about it. While my own military career wasn't exemplary, it was satisfactory, and I served at sea and a long overseas tour(3 years - longer than some guys enlistments.) Two creeps from my HS made snide remarks on Facebook that I wasn't Audie Murphy. Neither were most of us.,(lol) Those two bums never spent half an hour in the military, but are critiquing me?? Flush. You wore the uniform. You served honorably and respectfully. What those creeps think doesn't matter.

Response by CSM Jerry Bennett made Feb 10 at 2021 10:57 AM

CSM Jerry Bennett — Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:57:01 -0500

If you serve you are doing more than most of those who enjoy the freedom you provide.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2021 6:24 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Feb 2021 18:24:14 -0500

I've had similar statements made to me by Active Army because I'm NG and all I've done was 6 weeks for COVID 2 for Riots, and I'm getting out halfway through my unit's upcoming deployment so I got benched. (Didn't want to extend past my original 6 years to move on with my career outside the military. Seeing these responses helps.

Response by SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt made Feb 11 at 2021 3:24 PM

SP6 Peter Kreutzfeldt — Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:24:22 -0500

I do not associate with people who would put me in that situation. You volunteered not knowing what you would be doing. Just say "what ever" and leave the civilian puke behind

Response by MSgt Gary Miller made Feb 11 at 2021 4:39 PM

MSgt Gary Miller — Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:39:26 -0500

Not everyone deployed some have to stay at the main base in order to send supplies to support those who are deployed. Some of us are not eligible to deploy do to our job. For instance during the Gulf war I wasn’t eligible to deploy because I was the readiness/mobility NCO. My job was to equip and train and keep track of records for those who could/would deploy. Since I was the status of readiness and training reporter regulations forbid me for deploying.

Response by SPC Thomas Kosakowski made Feb 11 at 2021 5:44 PM

SPC Thomas Kosakowski — Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:44:37 -0500

Many of us feel the way you do. You know, we all signed up, and were available for deployment. You should be proud to say you represented your country, did they? I am proud of you, stand proud !

Response by LT Richard White made Feb 11 at 2021 6:27 PM

LT Richard White — Thu, 11 Feb 2021 18:27:51 -0500

If you served, you are a veteran. As a combat pilot, we depended on the many other veterans that provided the necessary logistics to make our job possible, to get what we needed to us, to take care of our needs should we have the misfortune to get injured. It takes a team and teamwork and those vets that were not deployed are just as important as those who were. As for civilians, what right do they have to question your service?

Response by SFC Michael Lindenbusch made Feb 11 at 2021 11:24 PM

SFC Michael Lindenbusch — Thu, 11 Feb 2021 23:24:37 -0500

I can't really tell you how to respond or how to process it. I can tell you what I personally feel. And that is that any and every single person who has raised their right hand and done the job honorably has my full respect. And my time in service took me to Al Qaim and to the East German border. I don't care where the military sent you, that's not yours to control. I do care that you were willing to step forward.

Response by Sgt Ed Allen made Feb 12 at 2021 3:14 PM

Sgt Ed Allen — Fri, 12 Feb 2021 15:14:21 -0500

Simple response - "Did you even bother to offer to serve your country? If not, shut the hell up!"

If the person did serve, and made that same statement, tell them to shut the F@@ up. They should know better.

I have a brother (8 years older then me) who "served in vietnam" but only served 7 months of a 2 year hitch in the Navy. Of that, 2 months was boot camp. 2 months was school. And he spent at least a couple months on Midway Island (land of the goony birds). How he served in Vietnam I'll never figure out. Anyway. He was making the statement in my house in front of another of my brothers (9 years older then me, 2 years USN, honorably discharged and was on a carrier off the coast of Vietnam) and myself (9 years USMC, peacetime/cold war). The first time he made the comment, I told him he better shut his trap. He made the statement a 2nd time and my brother told him to shut the F up. I had already decided that a 3rd statement would be greeted with "you and your wife get the hell out of my house and never come back!".

Some people are idiots. And idiots they'll remain.

Like they say, "You can't fix stupid!".

Response by PO1 Ada Hewlett made Feb 18 at 2021 1:47 PM

PO1 Ada Hewlett — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 13:47:06 -0500

The military has hundreds of jobs that each of us are tasked to do in order to accomplish the mission- it's called team work. No man or woman can do it all alone; there are many players in the game in order for us all to become winners. Your job no matter what your specific call to duty is, is nothing short of dedication. Why? because you love your country. What part you played does not matter as long as all your comrades came home safe and sound. For that you are that soldier, airmen, marine, or sailor that gave your life for all our freedoms. Only a selected few in this world will ever really understand what it is serve your country. And I will always salute you and give you the respect you deserve.

I did 20 years in the Navy and accomplished more missions that you can count on your hands and feet - never a tour onboard a ship. Not ashamed to say it. I think the Navy felt I served my country best on land than sea. I worked with submarines and the fleet and those men and women in uniform can never say me and my crew ever missed a beat in providing undying support to them. No matter what you do , the end result is what matters. Doing a tour onboard a ship did not make me less of sailor - just the opposite. It made me just as committed to my job, my duty, my country, and to the Navy.

To ignorant people I say this: “Don't be ashamed of your ignorance, be ashamed of your unwillingness to overcome it”
― Bangambiki Habyarimana, The Great Pearl of Wisdom

Response by SSgt Randall Matheny made Feb 18 at 2021 5:58 PM

SSgt Randall Matheny — Thu, 18 Feb 2021 17:58:17 -0500

"Some gave all. All gave some." Everyone who served faithfully made an important contribution to the mission. People who dis you for never having deployed do not understand military service, and maybe never will. Use the quote above and maybe finish it up with "I hope someday you'll understand. To help, I can direct you to the recruiter of the service of your choice."

Response by MSgt Harry Campbell made Feb 19 at 2021 12:07 PM

MSgt Harry Campbell — Fri, 19 Feb 2021 12:07:34 -0500

Hi,
I will not look at anyone else comments. When you signed on the dotted line your signature meant that you would die in defense of and for the values of this country. I sort of feel that you would have deployed had you been selected to deploy. Never explain your service to ANYONE! If they have to make snippy comments like you described...they will never understand the U. S. Military. Most military have never been in combat. By the way...Thank you for your service. This is from a Vietnam vet that was never told that. You are appreciated my friend. I am not as eloquent as most of the commenters but know that I care from the heart about each and everyone of our servicemen and women.

Response by SFC Barbara Layman made Feb 21 at 2021 7:41 AM

SFC Barbara Layman — Sun, 21 Feb 2021 07:41:07 -0500

I am a Viet Nam Era vet. Served as a WAC 1965-66. Later signed on for life serving in the USAR, the ARNG, the Regular Army and back to the Reserves 1974-2007. I served where it appeared that I was needed by My Country.
We cannot all be on the front lines facing fire. Someone has to stay behind to support those who are chosen to face the breach head on. If you were responsible for vehicle maintenance, personnel actions, medical care, etc., YOU SERVED. You did what needed to be done to accomplish the mission. YOU made a CONTRIBUTION to the effort and NO ONE can take that away.
I was once accused of 'choosing' to "stay in the rear with the gear" by an individual who had absolutely no clue. When I attempted an explanation they walked away choosing not to hear.
I saw an Army in which women were not supposed to be 'in harms way' and received no weapons training, etc., to an Army where, incrementally, career fields once closed were open to them.

Stand Proud and Tall. Smile and ask such ignoramuses the simple question in response "What brabcg were you in and where did you serve?" I guaran damn tee they'll have no answer.

Response by SP5 Norman McGill made Feb 21 at 2021 8:53 PM

SP5 Norman McGill — Sun, 21 Feb 2021 20:53:47 -0500

Knock it off Sp-4. It doesn't matter that you didn't deploy. I was in the Guard for six years and we never deployed either but I don't consider myself or any of the men I served with as any less qualified as a veteran. We all signed the same papers, took the same oath and did the same training and then our jobs as directed and if the powers that be didn't see fit to send us to the 'front' then so be it. I would never say I'd been in the war if I hadn't been and I always tell the truth about that no matter who I'm talking with. I was there if they needed me and I could have gotten shot,wounded or killed at any point in my six year enlistment but I didn't so lucky me. Anyone who questions the value of your service is just a fool who doesn't know any better. You did your job and that's all there is to it. No more nagging and thanks for your service when we needed you. Pete

Response by MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan made Feb 28 at 2021 8:34 PM

MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 20:34:26 -0500

Boils down to you were willing to pout your life somewhere this person was not. Look them squarely in the eyes, grin, turn around and walk away knowing that you are the better for it.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2021 4:49 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 01 Mar 2021 16:49:12 -0500

You are ensnared by the "PC" BS of today. People used to be taught manners. No more. People used to remember that you don't talk Religion, Politics & a woman's weight or age. Today too many people who have no core values, feel the need to be superior. Because internally they are feeling inferior. SO they "set" their conversational scenes by trying to find a weakness in the person they are chatting (attacking).
There is a lot of anger in our country. It has been aided and abetted by people lurking quietly in all walks of life. Primarily education, communication & politics. These 'good people' have sown their bad seeds well. They have brainwashed too many to believe too much Balderdash. They use demeaning words, innuendo's, lies, bullying, & verbiage to get their points across. They have nothing to be proud of in their own lives. So they will try to diminish your life.
Remember, it was written in the Big Book "No greater love has a man, than he would lay down his life..." Every one of us who took the Oath whether we fully realized it at that time were saying "I will go where my country sends me..." were laying our lives on that line. And for that, we received monthly compensation and at the time we parted company, were given a DD214.
There is a slogan going 'round that says "I may not have a PhD, but I DO have a DD-214!."

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2021 5:45 AM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 05:45:30 -0500

My strong belief is not to live our lives based on others opinions. Living in a very opinionated society we tend to forget that we make decisions that seem fit to us and our families and not because some stupid neighbour or friend or colleague or some random stranger thinks otherwise. 1st and only rule: stop giving a damn about what people think about your life decisions. You and only you are responsible for your choices. Once you master that you will see your dreams and goals just a step away, all you have to do is take that step

Response by MSG Harvey Kane made Mar 7 at 2021 12:37 PM

MSG Harvey Kane — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 12:37:20 -0500

I simply look in the person's eye and say it is not easy being a coward is it!

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Mar 7 at 2021 12:43 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 12:43:12 -0500

What do a Lamborghini and a Jalopy have in common?
They're both cars.
Now when it comes to veterans, you might be the Jalopy in comparison to your Lamborghini combat veteran cohort, but be happy you're still a car.

Response by CPL Raul Perez Jr made Mar 7 at 2021 1:32 PM

CPL Raul Perez Jr — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 13:32:48 -0500

Just say, it’s your turn if you dare, I did my time. You are a Veteran to the people that count. Hoorah

Response by PO1 Arthur Neel made Mar 7 at 2021 5:02 PM

PO1 Arthur Neel — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 17:02:53 -0500

You owe no one an explanation of your service. Not everyone serves in a War Zone, just being in the service you may be deployed wherever they want to send you. Every job (MOS/NEC) is important for the completion of the mission.
When you joined the Military, you signed a blank check to serve this Country, up to and including your life.

Response by PO1 Arthur Neel made Mar 7 at 2021 5:29 PM

PO1 Arthur Neel — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 17:29:39 -0500

Just found this to add to my response

Response by SPC Todd Curran made Mar 7 at 2021 6:28 PM

SPC Todd Curran — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 18:28:23 -0500

its real simple your a veteran as long as you were honorably discharged or medical. just like me served 9 yrs never deployed . trust me i wanted to but it was never in the cards. the difference is real simple you put your check out there but it was never cashed so to speak. how many people out there would do that . not many

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made Mar 7 at 2021 11:12 PM

SPC Daniel Rankin — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 23:12:40 -0500

If I ever heard a civilian say that to a veteran that never deployed I would say to them, If it were not for those who had to stay behind we would never be able to get those supplies when we needed them. Nor the letters from our loved ones when then were mailed to us when we were out in the desert. Nor even would we know what was going on in the homeland if it were not for those who were not deployed. They were our support and backup. And I thank God every day that they were there when we needed them. And as for you who never even volunteered? Did you send us even one package or letter to let us know you were thinking about us? hmmmmm.

Response by LTC Jerold Kaplan made Mar 7 at 2021 11:28 PM

LTC Jerold Kaplan — Sun, 07 Mar 2021 23:28:52 -0500

IGNORE THE IDIOT. No response is needed. I know that you are a veteran, you know that you are a veteran, every service man and woman knows that you are a veteran. My mother taught me a little poem a long time ago that applies here. "Those who know me, know me well. All the rest can go to Hell".

Response by MAJ Lyle F. Padilla made Mar 8 at 2021 2:16 AM

MAJ Lyle F. Padilla — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 02:16:55 -0500

I just say, "I was in one active or reserve component of the US Air Force or US Army for 29 years during three wars [I count the Global War on Terror as one war, so four if you count Afghanistan and Iraq separately]. I was in Combat Arms in both services. I was still in ROTC when Vietnam ended, my Guard tank battalion was alerted for the First Gulf War but not called up, and I was in the IRR waiting for the phone to ring after 9/11 but hit the mandatory retirement point instead, six months after the Second Iraq War started. The one year I did spend in what was technically a combat zone (Korea in the early 1980s), the only hostile fire I got was from my own chain of command. I had a weird career BUT I OFFER NO APOLOGIES FOR THE WAY THE DICE ROLLED!"

Response by PFC Lois Crawl made Mar 8 at 2021 6:26 AM

PFC Lois Crawl — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 06:26:09 -0500

I'm sorry that this messed up statement was made to you by an incredibly ignorant civilian. Whether you were deployed or not, you a still a proud veteran who took an oath to serve and protect this country. That's what some of these incredibly stupid civilians don't understand. You hold your head up high and stand very proud. You truly deserve it.

Response by SGT Lorenzo Nieto made Mar 8 at 2021 6:27 AM

SGT Lorenzo Nieto — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 06:27:14 -0500

This is the deal it’s not about were you served it’s how you served, I served in Vietnam 1968 to me it was not about the war but serving with honor that’s what being a soldier is all about. You may not be liked but you did it with honor.

Response by LTC Anthony Broussard made Mar 8 at 2021 12:47 PM

LTC Anthony Broussard — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 12:47:19 -0500

I would simply and politely say, “If you have to ask that question, then it is obvious that you do not understand military service, and therefore could not understand my response.” Say, “Thank you, have a good day” and just turn and walk away.

Response by TSgt Don Dollinger made Mar 8 at 2021 2:05 PM

TSgt Don Dollinger — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 14:05:40 -0500

The simple answer. Explain to them that if they had served their country they would know that even though there is combat action half a world away that the homefront still needs to be protected and that you are that guy.

Response by Sgt John Acuna made Mar 8 at 2021 2:32 PM

Sgt John Acuna — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 14:32:00 -0500

Question is were you ever asked by your outfit you served with to deploy? if you were asked and said no then you have a problem, but if you were asked and you said yes but unit did not deploy and were told to stand down then no problem. if you have and HONORABLE discharge then you can hold your head high and say my unit did not deploy but i derved and have H D for my service.

Response by TSgt David Olson made Mar 8 at 2021 10:38 PM

TSgt David Olson — Mon, 08 Mar 2021 22:38:16 -0500

Many veterans of WW II never deployed overseas. Their jobs in the service dictated that they remain Stateside. The comments you have received are from civilians who don't know their butts from their elbows. There is more to serving your country than being shot at. That alone does not make a veteran. I'm going to tell you a story. I was home, out of the Army, having served 27 straight months between Korea and Vietnam. One evening found I myself in a VFW where a cousin was tending bar. There were older men who I took to be WW II veterans seated at the bar. One engaged me in conversation, asking if I was a veteran, had I been to Vietnam? He then began to tell me that Vietnam was not a "real" war. I sat there looking at him, sitting on his bar stool, drinking reduced cost alcohol, reliving his time spent in a base beer bar, or maybe an NCO club. He was drunk and I knew never try to correct the opinions of a drunk. I told my cousin I had to leave, too many drunks. This story, I hope, illustrates that people will always have their own, fixed perception(s). Did it bother me, no, please don't let any civilian or veteran make you feel ashamed for how you served your country, be proud of your time.

Response by SPC Laura Mitchell made Mar 9 at 2021 12:06 AM

SPC Laura Mitchell — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 00:06:05 -0500

I didn’t used to talk about my veteran’s status (until I saw a great t-shirt that said something along the lines of: Am I rocking this woman veteran thing or what??!!). Don’t feel obligated to explain that while you served, you were not deployed. A lot of us are in that same category (my cohort in 1977 didn’t get the National Defense Medal). DO explain that you took an oath to serve your country and that service can take many forms in many places, not just combat zones.

Response by Sgt Pedro Perez made Mar 9 at 2021 10:47 AM

Sgt Pedro Perez — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 10:47:44 -0500

It's this simple, the military is a body and every part is equally important as we need and require everyone, even if just on standby or assuming other duties vital to our military. You served what you could and did serve so don't let anybody manipulate it. Good luck and be proud for who you are and your accomplishments regardless of what others say, you will never please the world trust me.

Response by LTC Hillary Luton made Mar 9 at 2021 2:32 PM

LTC Hillary Luton — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 14:32:39 -0500

No, he's not right. Not every service member deploys, and just because you don't deploy, does not mean you did not serve. Service is about much more than deploying to a far off land. Service is about defending the Constitution of the U.S. It is about serving the people of this nation and supporting the service men and women who do deploy. It takes men and women in and out of uniform here at home to ensure that the men and women who do deploy have the support they need to get the job done. It takes all of us, and anyone who has the arrogance to insinuate that you did not serve your country, just because you didn't deploy, either is too ignorant to know what it means to serve, or so insecure that they think putting you down will make them feel great. Oh, and yes, I agree with COL Stoneking...if its a civilian who didn't even serve, well, then, I personally would probably roll my eyes (because I'm really good at that), look at them pathetically and say, "As if you would you know."

You wore the uniform. You served your country. Be proud of that fact and don't let anyone tell you different.

Response by MGySgt Juan Mendez made Mar 9 at 2021 9:02 PM

MGySgt Juan Mendez — Tue, 09 Mar 2021 21:02:57 -0500

Very simply you say: "I served where I was ordered to serve, have a nice day."

Response by CSM Albert Blais made Mar 10 at 2021 11:42 AM

CSM Albert Blais — Wed, 10 Mar 2021 11:42:35 -0500

You DID serve your country... We all go and serve where we're told to. You were fortunate enough to not end up in some hell-hole... but by joining the military, you told the world that you were willing to go where you were needed... Thank you for your service...

Response by SGT Ashraf Hosein made Mar 11 at 2021 6:29 AM

SGT Ashraf Hosein — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 06:29:01 -0500

To respond to that civilian, just a simple question, ask them, Did you serve? As for that nagging feeling, REM You upheld and defended the constitution and served the flag, There is no greater honour.

Response by CPL Marc Livesey made Mar 11 at 2021 9:51 AM

CPL Marc Livesey — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 09:51:55 -0500

my first question would be - and when did you server?
second - and where were you deployed ?
no honorable military member will ever treat you that way.
they were never part of this family.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2021 10:46 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 10:46:15 -0500

As it is in our civilian society, those that maintain a support role are way more vital than most are willing to give credit. Would an infantry platoon be able to continually engage the enemy without a constant supply of food, ammo, combat supplies...? NOPE. Not in a million years. I served as an Air Traffic Controller. I wasn’t combat arms. I was however, a vital link in the chain of military service. Just like the many airmen, soldiers, sailors, and marines that have served in a support role...hold your head high and be proud of your contribution.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2021 11:21 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 11:21:07 -0500

SPC,
I have served almost 20 yrs in the military, some yrs in the 80s in the AF (never deployed) and the rest of my time in the Army National Guard - Deployed to Kuwait, one time.
I don't have a right arm patch. I have never been in combat. Yet, I am a Vet.
I have been asked the same question as you. My response to the civilian was this:
"Sir, thank you for your support, and not all vets are combat vets, or war veterans."

Don't be worried about what others may think. Some honestly do not know anything about military life.

Response by PO3 Steven Taylor made Mar 11 at 2021 4:00 PM

PO3 Steven Taylor — Thu, 11 Mar 2021 16:00:39 -0500

You went where they sent you. It's usually not your choice. Most vets would understand that, civilians opinions don't matter as far as I'm concerned. Ask them why they didn't serve, that usually shuts them up.

Response by SP5 David Jobo made Mar 12 at 2021 2:01 AM

SP5 David Jobo — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 02:01:43 -0500

I'm often asked this question on veterans day because I was lucky to serve under pres. Ford whom everyone knows was our countries best diplomat. I show them my long and honorable service metal, and good conduct ribbon with 3-star national service ribbon and ask them where the F#C$ is yours? Yes I know it does no good at the VA when you try to get veteran's benefits because nobody ever shot at me, and I have no combat infantry badge even though that was my MOS. I personally in agreement with those deciding whom needs VA benefits worse PTDS or those without legs? I believe the real veteran is the one that has learned to serve others and is willing to help out a veteran, not just bad mouth them.

Response by LCpl Laurence Puco made Mar 12 at 2021 6:45 AM

LCpl Laurence Puco — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 06:45:33 -0500

Whether you served in country or not, you have earned the right to be called a veteran, you did your part, you joined, you went through the same rigorous training as the rest of us. I joined in 1964, never went in-country, not for lack of trying, but it is what it is; and I am damn proud to be called a Veteran. You go where you are needed, whether it be in country or not. You still offer support in whatever fashion your are ordered to do. You do not make the decisions, that is for the brass to decide. You signed up, went through basic, got sent to your unit or units, and did what you were instructed to do. Hold your head up high, after all they didn't even sign up. Just my two cents worth..

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Mar 12 at 2021 6:54 AM

SPC Donn Sinclair — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 06:54:30 -0500

A civilian? Who never stepped up? My favorite question for those types was "How many tours did you do?" knowing the answer ahead of time. Trust me, had my orders said Germany, Okinawa, or somewhere stateside instead of Vietnam, I'd have reported to that duty station, happily, and not thought twice about it. You signed the blank check, got your hands dirty. You don't owe anyone an explanation.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2021 11:18 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 11:18:07 -0500

You put on the uniform and did whatever was asked if you. Don’t pay attention to ignorant people, civilian or military, who think you didn’t serve or aren’t a veteran because you didn’t deploy.

Response by SGT Frank-John Limiero made Mar 12 at 2021 3:15 PM

SGT Frank-John Limiero — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:15:29 -0500

Many who were never a part of actual combat claimed they were because they were in country there.
I don't deny them their place, not everybody has the guts or honor to serve in Infantry, Special Ops, or Airborne but I recognise those who did over a non combatant. We don't need phonies like Ct. Senator Richard Blumenthal who said he was in Vietnam Combat.

Response by Lt Col Warren Domke made Mar 12 at 2021 3:41 PM

Lt Col Warren Domke — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:41:21 -0500

If you served or are serving honorably you are doing your duty and the value of your service is the best you can give it. My own service includes Air National Guard, active Air Force--including a year in Vietnam--and several years as an active Air Force Reservist. While the types of service may have different values all were service and all involved sacrifices of time and effort. During my active service years I was stationed overseas on three tours in three places: Japan, Vietnam and Guam. Two of these came with family separation. If a civilian or any other person questions the value of my service I will chalk it up to their ignorance rather than any failure on my part. I never had to engage in combat, but had I been called upon to do so I would have done so to the best of my ability. I would have liked to have done more than I did, but I did what I could and what I was called to do. I have nothing to apologize for and neither do you.

Response by SFC Thomas Davis made Mar 12 at 2021 3:53 PM

SFC Thomas Davis — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:53:40 -0500

Option 1: Answer with a question. How long did you serve and how many times did you deploy? (Okay that's two questions, deal with it) Then reply to that with; Oh you never served, well you really aren't even a citizen then are you?
Option 2: Reply with; Your ignorance of what is means to serve is disturbing.
Option 3: Use your G.I. Joe Kung Fu grip and choke a fool out. This is probably not a reasonable course of action but it is an option.
Also realize, there are douche bags every that don't get it and never will regardless of any answer you might come up with.
As for dealing with not deploying, unless you are one of those tool bags that dodged deployments, you went where you were told and did your part. If you are one of those ass hats that dodged, then you probably should have a nagging feeling. That is the best I can do for that since I did deploy.
Either way, good luck Brother.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Mar 12 at 2021 3:54 PM

SPC Brian Stephens — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:54:17 -0500

I served active from 1988-1991 during Panama and Desert Storm. I was never deployed. I would explain that from my perspective as being A) We handled intermediate-range nuclear weapons, B) I was part of V Corps and not VII Corps that was picked for deployment during Desert Shield/Desert Storm, and C) although we trained for war, not everybody goes. I would explain my veteran status as me volunteering to train for war in uniform knowing I could be deployed anytime versus you who never volunteered, never stood up for your country in uniform, and stayed home to question my volunteerism and service to the nation.

Response by SPC Steve dePinet made Mar 12 at 2021 5:27 PM

SPC Steve dePinet — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 17:27:24 -0500

You wrote a check to the USA for anything, up to and including your life. If it was never cashed, that's not a sign of a lack on your part, your life wasn't needed just then. YOU WERE THERE for that check, if it had been needed. I also never saw combat, but it was a time of serious threat (Cold War, in my case) and I served. I did do a tour in Germany, don't think that qualifies as "Deployed", but the balloon could have gone up at any time, I've learned later in life, the threat was VERY real. Serving makes you a Vet, not fighting...

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Mar 12 at 2021 6:20 PM

CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 18:20:05 -0500

Service to your Country doesn't mean deployment, because a lot more goes into preparing for wartime in peacetime and readiness is paramount to deployment without a doubt. All these services to the Country are done prior to any deployment. Also, remember, there is CONUS and OCONUS services in uniform; not everyone will deploy.

Response by SP5 Tom Haines made Mar 12 at 2021 6:52 PM

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Response by CW4 Tim Claus made Mar 12 at 2021 8:36 PM

CW4 Tim Claus — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 20:36:02 -0500

You can control whether you volunteer to serve, but you cannot control if you will be deployed. I served a combination of AC and RC in the Army, from 1973 to 2012. The closest I came to deploying while on active duty was 1975, when we were loaded out and ready to head from Ft. Carson to Peterson Field to deploy to Egypt, but the Russians blinked first. I did not deploy to the Middle East for the first time until 2005. Desert Storm ended too quickly for most reservists to get a shot. Bosnia was not needing my MOS (Marine Engineering Officer), and my unit did not get tagged for notice until 2004.
You volunteered, completed your training, prepared to go. You go where the military sends you, when they send you. You can volunteer for deployment, but that does not mean they will need you, or that your unit can release you.
Then ask the idiot if he/she volunteered to serve their country, face hardship, and potential injury or death? Or did they just volunteer to be the first one at Starbucks to buy overpriced, crappy coffee?

Response by SPC John Gifford made Mar 12 at 2021 10:13 PM

SPC John Gifford — Fri, 12 Mar 2021 22:13:11 -0500

Soyou never deployed, what is their reason for not joining.

Response by LTC David Howard made Mar 13 at 2021 8:10 AM

LTC David Howard — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 08:10:46 -0500

There are some people who didn’t have the courage to serve but who think that they can judge those that did based on their deployments or lack thereof. Ignore the fools. This question is a variant of the often asked question about those that did deploy but were not combat arms, and whether or not their service really “counts” as wartime service. There always will be some, including combat veterans themselves, that seek to enhance their own self image by denigrating the service of others. Ignore those a-holes as well.

Response by SGT Christopher Malloy made Mar 13 at 2021 9:32 AM

SGT Christopher Malloy — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 09:32:22 -0500

You say like I do, yes I served. But thank god I never had to go to war. All the while knowing that most people that brag about going to war haven't been either. I served 9yrs 10 months 23 days.active duty, And never went to war. That's just my opinion. Go army

Response by SGT Frank Hewes made Mar 13 at 2021 11:29 AM

SGT Frank Hewes — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 11:29:44 -0500

Just like any business, the military doesn't put all of its resources on the "front lines". Doesn't mean that you didn't do your part, just that either your skills were better used elsewhere or you were being held in 'reserve'.

Response by SrA Danielle "D." Kickham made Mar 13 at 2021 12:06 PM

SrA Danielle "D." Kickham — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:06:06 -0500

I served for 7.5 years both active & reserve. I tried at every turn to get deployed. When I was active, I was too low in rank. When I was in the reserves, I was the wrong gender (old Chief MSG wouldn't send a female and the complaint went nowhere). So, I never deployed. But, I signed a blank check to the government to include my life. I struggle with feeling my service was "less than" others because of it. Interestingly, the is a significantly higher suicide rate amongst those of us who never deployed than those who did. Due, largely, to these feelings of inadequacy, shame, & guilt. If anyone questions this (I did), Google it. Study after study confirms this. Even though I have had many civilians, veterans, & active personnel tell me I have nothing to be ashamed of, I don't know that it will ever go away even though I know it was decisions above my pay-grade. But, at least I signed that blank check. I was full on willing to put myself in harms way & even die if necessary. If someone who wasn't even willing to do that gives you crap about it, I'd ask them what they have done in their lives to serve their follows. How far have they ever gone to risk their health, safety, & emotional limits? What qualifies them to be the judge of others, much less someone who did show up and make themselves available. Or, just tell them to go F themselves. Whatever works for you. I would encourage you to seek some counseling though to process those feelings of "he was right & it's been eating me up ever since." I wish you well. Stay strong. Good luck.

Response by PO1 Timothy Oser made Mar 13 at 2021 12:19 PM

PO1 Timothy Oser — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:19:00 -0500

YOU had to serve where your country needed YOU! I am a Vietnam ERA vet. I could have water skied behind a river boat but didn't yet still got spit on and called "a baby killer". Be proud, very proud to be a veteran. Thank God, Country other Veterans that WE know who YOU are. To you I also say "thank you for your service". Oser, T. E-6

Response by LCpl Walter Larson made Mar 13 at 2021 12:22 PM

LCpl Walter Larson — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 12:22:21 -0500

I was in Vietnam. Out of the thousands of men there a small percentage of us saw combat. It takes a lot of people to support the soldiers in the field. Whether you are providing support in the country we deploy in or in the states you are serving your country. You can always fall back on, "I served my country but I don't like to talk about it" and let them use their imagination.

Response by SMSgt Mike Wood made Mar 13 at 2021 9:06 PM

SMSgt Mike Wood — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 21:06:08 -0500

You served and was willing to risk all. They didn't.

Response by SMSgt Mike Wood made Mar 13 at 2021 9:08 PM

SMSgt Mike Wood — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 21:08:24 -0500

You served and was willing to risk all. They didn't.

Response by SSG Craig Thompson made Mar 13 at 2021 9:09 PM

SSG Craig Thompson — Sat, 13 Mar 2021 21:09:46 -0500

When I got back from Viet Nam in 1969, I went down to the local VFW to have a drink with my father-in-law. We sat down with his friends who had served in WW2. One of the guys there just kept droning on about how he had served in the REAL WAR, not this piddly little VietNam thing. Turns out he had spent his whole time in service at Camp Roberts (Later Fort Ord) near Monterey California. Wouldn’t have mattered if he had been with the Marines at Iwo Jima as far as I’m concerned. He has no business insulting any one’s service no matter what their own was.

If someone disparges your service, tell them what I told that idiot 52 years ago. Go F**k Yourself - I think you know what I mean.

Response by SSG John Ossmann made Mar 14 at 2021 11:26 AM

SSG John Ossmann — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 11:26:38 -0400

Ask yourself these questions:

1) Did I do anything to evade being deployed?
2) Was the reason I didn't deploy my fault?
3) Does this civilian's opinion matter?
4) Does this civilian know what a veteran is?
5) Did I serve honorably and where the military wanted me to?

If the answer to the first 4 questions is: "No" and the last one: "Yes", then you have no reason to be insecure or feel bad about your service. The answers to #3 and #4 are "No" regardless of why you may not have deployed.

I served for 16 years and never served in a combat zone although I was an infantryman. But I did serve during our skirmish in Grenada and our invasion in Panama and Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm. The Army always had me someplace else for those and I frankly feel fortunate. The closest I ever got to any thing close to it was 2 tours in Korea in the late 70s and early 80s and one in Germany in the mid 80s. Those were lengthy parties compared to what others have experienced in combat zones.

I state that I feel fortunate, because I have seen enough documentaries and interviews with combat veterans and read enough books written by combat veterans where they basically state that anyone who "wants to go to war doesn't know what they are talking about". I can understand that. And over the years, it is obvious what war can do to people.

That said, if one of my units had deployed to those areas, I have no doubt I would have been with them. This is how I live with myself and I feel no shame whatsoever over the fact I never deployed to a combat zone.

As long as you served honorably and performed your duty (and even if you didn't, it is nobody else's business at this point), then you have nothing to explain to anyone.

Response by MCPO Paul Kah made Mar 14 at 2021 12:29 PM

MCPO Paul Kah — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 12:29:56 -0400

You could look them square in the eye and say Yes, I am a veteran. I served my Nation for 3 Years. What service have you provided for our Nation?

Response by A1C Jj Birchard made Mar 15 at 2021 7:57 AM

A1C Jj Birchard — Mon, 15 Mar 2021 07:57:20 -0400

The best answer I have ever heard was to quote general Eisenhower when he said WW2 was won by many things, brave men and women certainly. But we could have never won without logistics. Logistics won the war. Armies and navies run on their stomachs and equipment. Lots of it.

Response by SPC Michelle Greenwood made Mar 15 at 2021 8:31 AM

SPC Michelle Greenwood — Mon, 15 Mar 2021 08:31:28 -0400

Everyone has value

Response by Lena Hancock made Mar 15 at 2021 8:05 PM

Lena Hancock — Mon, 15 Mar 2021 20:05:25 -0400

There's a fair amount of civilians who are very ignorant about what it means to serve in the military.
These kinds of ignorant questions come mostly from spoiled hipsters who have never done an honest days work in their lives, have had everything handed to them on a silver platter, and are mostly likely ill-informed social media babies who believe their opinion carries more weight than it really does because mommy told them they were special one too many times.

You enlisted, you serve your country and whether or not you have been deployed is beside the point.
You did a job that they themselves would not and you do not owe them squat.
You ARE a veteran. You HAVE served your country.

The next time some pampered peckerwood does that to you, answer their question with this..
"Have you been deployed?"
A vast majority will answer "No", and at that point you can smile and walk away knowing that you have done far more for your country than the over opinionated arsebiscuit is capable of imagining.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2021 2:22 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Mar 2021 14:22:10 -0400

During my career I had many fellow soldiers and Marines never deploy to combat. During Vietnam one of my best friends spent the entire war in Germany. He volunteered for Vietnam probably 100 times but it was never to happen. Bottom line some people get called others do not so if you have volunteered and didn't get to go...don't worry about it. The only problem I had was those who homesteaded at certain posts and worked the system so they didn't have to deploy. And there were many of those people who openly gamed the system and even bragged about it. But since the GWOT operations started the services have been ensuring that those who haven't deployed get deployed. So this is less of a problem than it was 50 years ago. But if you're really bothered...volunteer. There are plenty of opportunities for deployments out there...and if your request is approved...then good for you...if it isn't then don't worry about it you've done your duty and volunteered.

Response by SP5 Ann Parris made Apr 5 at 2021 1:55 PM

SP5 Ann Parris — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 13:55:41 -0400

Ask anyone who says something stupid like that how they served their country. I never deployed while I was in the service, but Vietnam was a distinct possibility when I joined. I did deploy to Iraq as a Federal civilian at the age of 53. I volunteered to go, which wasn't a possibility when I served. It was either go or get out. You signed on the line, you were going if sent. Don't let ignorance ruin your service.

Response by SSG Conrad Sylvestrelamb made Apr 5 at 2021 4:35 PM

SSG Conrad Sylvestrelamb — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 16:35:03 -0400

I'd ask what did sacrifice, my marriages , my kids , my time 20+ . They or you sacrificed lip service . Anyone can serve lol

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2021 8:28 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Apr 2021 20:28:53 -0400

I ignore them. I had a conversation like that with a young veteran at the VA a few years ago and he was the same way. They were group sessions every week and I don't hold anything back no matter who they think they are. Some of these young veterans have swelled heads and think they deserve more respect.

I enlisted in the late 1970's expecting we would go to war but never did. It isn't our fault. The Army sends us where we're needed. I even volunteered for one potential conflict that was mentioned then never materialized. I think a lot of this crap is from idiots who never joined and like to discredit those who did to make themselves feel good about themselves. My brother was the same way with me and I never could figure out why.

The general public never seemed to give a damn about those who were discharged from the Vietnam War. Nobody questioned them. I remember that period while a lot of civilians condemned them. Then new wars started to become popular again. It shows what phonies civilians are. They're only for it when it suits them and they're getting something from it.

Response by SGT(P) Daniel Wall made Apr 6 at 2021 6:28 AM

SGT(P) Daniel Wall — Tue, 06 Apr 2021 06:28:30 -0400

I'm just going to leave this right here:
https://va.org/what-is-a-veteran-the-legal-definition/

What is a Veteran? The Legal Definition - VA.org

A person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.

Response by Pvt SanJuana Méndez made Apr 6 at 2021 7:51 AM

Pvt SanJuana Méndez — Tue, 06 Apr 2021 07:51:21 -0400

Don't let some jerk minimize ur commitment to our country! I spent 28 yrs believing I'd failed my commitment to my oath 'til another veteran stepped into my shoes & told me I wz as much a veteran as she.

We took an oath that placed in in service to our country. That oath meant we were risking POSSIBILITY of being sent to fight for survival in deadly combat; did NOT mean we WOULD be deployed.

Tho I served long enuf to hv graduated from Boot, due to circumstances beyond my control, I DIDN'T graduate; but fact I "reported for duty" & served 79 days shows I wz committed to my oath. If u serve ONE day & receive honorable discharge, u come out a veteran.

Response by GySgt Tony Alley made Apr 6 at 2021 10:24 AM

GySgt Tony Alley — Tue, 06 Apr 2021 10:24:08 -0400

When I was in Afghanistan, there were a LOT of people that were "deployed" that only went to the gym and the DFAC... You SERVED, and that's all that matters...

Response by LTC Walter Leaumont made Apr 6 at 2021 11:54 AM

LTC Walter Leaumont — Tue, 06 Apr 2021 11:54:23 -0400

For disclosure purposes I have multiple deployments and retired in 2015. One question I have is was the person questioning your service a Veteran? If not a tactful STFU would be in order. In today's world we are part of a very small minority of people who volunteer to serve. I take it you joined, completed training and served honorably? Did you actively avoid deployments? If said yes to the first and no to the second you lived up to your end of the bargain.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Apr 6 at 2021 1:16 PM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Tue, 06 Apr 2021 13:16:17 -0400

You enlisted in the military to defend your country and OBEY ORDERS. When you are assigned is NOT in your control. Simply put: You go where your told. During the height of Viet Nam, I had a friend who was drafted, so he chose to enlist in the Navy. After boot camp and technical training we was assigned "overseas" to an island in the Pacific--it was call Hawaii.

Response by FN Charlie Spivey made Apr 6 at 2021 2:02 PM

FN Charlie Spivey — Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:02:10 -0400

I am a Coastie. Rarely do we deploy anywhere. I did a Tour in Vietnam and there are 6 ships in the Gulf now, and possibly a Port Security Unit in Basra. Not sure of that one though, although I know there was. Lost one Coastie KIA in that unit. The point is this, it doesn't matter if you deployed or not, you still made a sacrifice. Maybe because you didn't deploy, you feel like you didn't but you did. Everyone who has served have made a sacrifice of some sort.

Response by Sgt Gene Stanton made Apr 6 at 2021 2:10 PM

Sgt Gene Stanton — Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:10:36 -0400

The fact that you enlisted to serve your country (and meet all the requirements of time served and of course honorably) does make you a veteran period. It is not your fault that you were not deployed. But you could have been called to deploy on short notice. That's the difference between civilians and service members, you are on-call 24/7. I served during the Viet Nam war but never went to Viet Nam or South East Asia area in fact. My services were needed elsewhere (Europe in USAFE). I am a Viet Nam Era veteran, not a Viet Nam veteran. I am never the less a veteran. So don't let the nagging feeling get you down. It's all a team effort no matter where ever you serve, as I learned by my time in Europe serving my country during the war effort. The misunderstanding by a civilian just needs a little clarification. Everybody on the Super Bowl team gets a ring whether they played or not. Because of their contributions they made all season long!

Response by SSgt James Guy made Apr 6 at 2021 2:54 PM

SSgt James Guy — Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:54:52 -0400

I went where the military needed me. I remember that when I was graduating tech school, half my class went to Japan, the other half to Spain. Eventually, 4 of us left Japan for Vietnam. I came home and ran into a classmate who spent his tour in Spain and then we both ended up at the same base. I was a Vietnam Vet he was a Vietnam Era vet. Was his service less than mine? No we went where the military needed us.

Response by SPC Joseph Brown made Apr 6 at 2021 6:19 PM

SPC Joseph Brown — Tue, 06 Apr 2021 18:19:08 -0400

I have had this question posed to me before by both combat vets and those who never served and am glad you asked to see some of the responses. I served during the Cold War and was never in combat, even though I was in a rapid response force unit when active and was on alert many times. I was given a medical due to a training accident just prior to our unit being deployed to Panama and have felt extreme guilt and regret due to not being able to utilize my training for what it was meant for and for those who were injured or killed in combat. I now wear my disability and insignia proudly, yet still feel regret and guilt, but when others know my story, they don't keep asking and typically thank me, which is unnecessary. I always wished to serve and retire from the military, but plans were changed by God and I believe my service was worth it and our country definitely is worth it. I will still stand in defense of our country, our constitution and those who cannot.

Thank you. I have needed to vent that for a long time.

Response by SGT Jon Jenkins made Apr 6 at 2021 8:04 PM

SGT Jon Jenkins — Tue, 06 Apr 2021 20:04:13 -0400

Ask them how they volunteered and served their country. Then promptly ask them to look up the definition of veteran. They will see that The definition is:
a person who has served in the military.
Then promptly tell them to take there uneducated unwanted opinion and cram it straight up their ass. Wish them a blessed day and carry on.
You don’t have to defend yourself or your status to anyone, especially to a civilian that clearly has no idea of what it means to serve.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 6 at 2021 10:45 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Apr 2021 22:45:25 -0400

Just because a fool calls your name, doesn't mean you need to answer him/her. You know what you did and if you feel you need to do more then go do it. In the end the only person you answer to is yourself. Thank you for your service.

Response by SPC Peter Kirk made Apr 7 at 2021 1:56 PM

SPC Peter Kirk — Wed, 07 Apr 2021 13:56:43 -0400

It's really simple actually, just ignore the stupid cuck who asked the question.

Response by TSgt Pamela Hoelscher made Apr 7 at 2021 2:23 PM

TSgt Pamela Hoelscher — Wed, 07 Apr 2021 14:23:24 -0400

Ask them if they served. When they answer "no", tell them they have no right to question the value of your service. You served. They didn't.

Response by PFC James Edward VERNON jr made Apr 7 at 2021 6:41 PM

PFC James Edward VERNON jr — Wed, 07 Apr 2021 18:41:41 -0400

DEPENDS, IS THAT PERSON A "VETERAN", OR "CIVILIAN" ? THERE IS NO "ONE SIZE FITS ALL" ANSWER TO THE QUESTION. YOU ARE A VET BECAUSE YOU SPENT THREE YEARS OUT OF YOUR LIFE IN "SERVICE TO YOUR COUNTRY". CASE CLOSED.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2021 6:57 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 07 Apr 2021 18:57:01 -0400

Tell them you were on a super secret mission to save the world and the details are classified.

Response by Cpl Thomas Wiklanski made Apr 9 at 2021 5:30 PM

Cpl Thomas Wiklanski — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 17:30:37 -0400

You did your job to the best of your ability. You reported as ordered and fulfilled your responsibilities. You have nothing to be ashamed of. Don't let the remarks of others bother you. Regards,

Response by CPT Allen Saum made Apr 10 at 2021 8:36 PM

CPT Allen Saum — Sat, 10 Apr 2021 20:36:51 -0400

You should tell them that you signed the blank check, but it was never cashed, and walk off.

Response by CPL LaForest Gray made Apr 11 at 2021 6:33 PM

CPL LaForest Gray — Sun, 11 Apr 2021 18:33:16 -0400

You served. Thank you for your service.

Response by SGT Randall Smith made Apr 12 at 2021 7:24 PM

SGT Randall Smith — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 19:24:51 -0400

Be thankful that you did not go over seas. I was in Germany when I got a wild hair and ask to go to Viet Nam in 1967. In Feb. 1968 I got my wish and landed there. It only took 48 hours to realize that I had done the dumbest thing I had ever done. If you served in the service, you are a brother. I do remember when I came home and tried to join the VFW. That's when I learned about " The Big War". Those guys looked down on us. Caused a couple of fights . But if you wore the uniform, hold your head up high, you served.

Response by SSgt Mike Davis made Apr 24 at 2021 7:39 PM

SSgt Mike Davis — Sat, 24 Apr 2021 19:39:31 -0400

First of all it really is none of their business whether you deployed. The service you were in made that decision for you. I am a Vietnam Era Veteran and no I was not sent to Vietnam. The Air Force decided where they wanted me to go. If they did not enlist they have no opinion.

Response by Capt Robert Vincelette made May 1 at 2021 2:08 PM

Capt Robert Vincelette — Sat, 01 May 2021 14:08:13 -0400

It is possible I might not be a "real" combat veteran because I did not shoot any weapons at an enemy who was shooting weapons at me. It was pure chance I got away with working as a navigator when during a takeoff from Kontum, (S. Vietnam) a shell of some kind blew a very small hole in the bottom of the C-130 I was in and took out the VHF antenna, which was not a serious matter because the Air Force almost always uses UHF communication with ATC anyway. This was not directly referred to when a couple of other deliveries of ordinance and gasoline elicited more shells that sounded like cherry bombs going off outside made the Air Force decide everyone who was on my flight crew deserved a DFC. My less than direct or even hand-to-hand combat was pure chance and even those who never had any exposure to the likes was at risk for we all risked and the threat of a shell maiming or killing them the day they signed up.
The proper question for the civilian is what is the real reason YOU circumvented your military service? Were you afraid but can't admit it?

Response by 1SG James Kelly made May 1 at 2021 9:27 PM

1SG James Kelly — Sat, 01 May 2021 21:27:16 -0400

WELL i just ask them, if I rip their head off and shit in their neck will that prove I am a bad enough son of a bitch?
I know I am.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made May 1 at 2021 9:35 PM

1SG James Kelly — Sat, 01 May 2021 21:35:59 -0400

Tell them to:
eat shit
bark at the moon
die
and go to hell.

Response by MSgt Gilbert Jones made May 2 at 2021 2:43 PM

MSgt Gilbert Jones — Sun, 02 May 2021 14:43:28 -0400

Why should you feel bad because you did get sent to either Afghanistan or Irag? It's not your fault that you weren't sent to either place. The important thing you did serve in the military. I believe the figure is only 2% of Americans ever serve in the military and those that do, all don't get sent to war zones. What is important is that everyone who does wear the uniform has an important job no matter how unimportant it may seem. For those who serve elsewhere are supporting those who do go. SPC you have nothing to feel bad about. Ask that civilian if they served in any branch of the military.

When I was stationed in Japan I met several guys that had my same AFSC/MOS that were stationed there from 12-19 years and never went anywhere in South East Asia - that didn't make me upset, they were the lucky ones. My wife would ask me why I had to go three time and they didn't go even once. The only answer I could give her was they were some of the lucky ones.

Response by MAJ Jim Woods made May 2 at 2021 9:04 PM

MAJ Jim Woods — Sun, 02 May 2021 21:04:53 -0400

Ask what they did in the service! Chances are they weren't ever in the Military. Or... you can tell them to kiss your behind and move on! I would do the last one of course!

Response by SPC Stiv ChenRobbins made May 2 at 2021 11:47 PM

SPC Stiv ChenRobbins — Sun, 02 May 2021 23:47:50 -0400

I understand your ambivalence. I volunteered during peacetime, when there was no draft, and joined the National Guard simply because I believed I owed the country service. I have always felt uneasy calling myself a veteran, yet I did serve my enlistment honorably, willingly and wholeheartedly. Frankly, since I was a field medic I wasn't there to go bang bang anyway, I was there to fix people, and I had that opportunity. I never had anyone try to shoot me (at least, not while I was in the military) but Nature took her shot at me up in Alaska once or twice.

I served because it was what I thought I should do. I guess I use the title of veteran as much because I refuse to disrespect the other people who joined the Guard (or Reserve) and ended up less fortunate than me by not doing so. Like they used to say, I signed the blank check; I thank God they didn't cash it?

I do make the effort whenever I talk to the people I work with, most of whom are veterans, to make it clear what my service was. None of them have given me crap about it. I don't really care what anyone who hasn't served has to say about it, I suppose.

Response by TSgt Dan Decker made May 3 at 2021 12:18 AM

TSgt Dan Decker — Mon, 03 May 2021 00:18:23 -0400

Remember the adage, "They also serve who stand and wait." That civilian never served a day in his/her life. You served 3 years.

Response by CPO Eugene Gillam made May 3 at 2021 10:49 AM

CPO Eugene Gillam — Mon, 03 May 2021 10:49:35 -0400

“Excuse me, and where did you volunteer to serve?

Response by SP5 James Elmore made May 3 at 2021 2:09 PM

SP5 James Elmore — Mon, 03 May 2021 14:09:04 -0400

You don't respond with anything but humor. After RVN, a good AF buddy of mine served his whole tour in California. His routine line was that he "stopped the flow of communism on the shores of Southern California."

That said, staying stateside is still serving just as civilians were contributing to the mission. It's like arguing that the infantryman who was killed was somehow more heroic than those who survived. You put on the uniform, you are subject to being deployed, subject to being in combat, subject to getting attacked while "behind the lines," etc. Ignore the ignorant as chances are they are deliberately trying to pull your chain to make themselves feel better.

Response by SFC John Gilmore made May 3 at 2021 4:48 PM

SFC John Gilmore — Mon, 03 May 2021 16:48:32 -0400

When you signed on the dotted line and raised your hand swearing to support and defend the Constitution of The United States...you in essence wrote out a check with the amount "upto and including my life". Just because that check wasn't cashed doesn't take away from the fact you wrote it out and was ready to stand behind it. Ask the next civilian who would question your service if they ever wrote out such a check of their own free will. 'Nuff said.

Response by CW2 Geoff Lachance made May 3 at 2021 5:18 PM

CW2 Geoff Lachance — Mon, 03 May 2021 17:18:29 -0400

So in the eyes of that civilian, unless you deployed to enemy territory, killed the enemy, received a Purple Heart, fell on a grenade, pulled the pin from a grenade with your teeth, received the Medal of Honor and on and on you are nothing? That’s BS!!! I have many friends that served during the Vietnam war and went to Germany, Korea and even stayed stateside. All served with distinction as I’m sure you did as well. I was in logistics and although I served in Desert Shield/Storm I too felt like maybe I didn’t do enough. Didn’t die for my country. Well, I served, you served and that is more than 90% of all able bodied Americans. Don’t give it another thought! Thank you for your service! Cheers

Response by CPT Barry Naum made May 3 at 2021 5:48 PM

CPT Barry Naum — Mon, 03 May 2021 17:48:09 -0400

You don't deal with them. They are not worth your time or mental energy. But every stupid person deserves attention. Indeed, very few do if any at all.

Response by PO1 Ronald Parker made May 4 at 2021 2:23 PM

PO1 Ronald Parker — Tue, 04 May 2021 14:23:45 -0400

I can only speak for the Navy side of the house. In the Navy we have different ratings (jobs) that are equivalent to MOS's (correct me if I am wrong). Some of our rates rarely see shipboard duty, which you would think would be a reason to join the Navy. It's not the service, it is the job. One rate would complain or joke on another rate because of what they did or didn't do. The answer that covered it all was "You pick your rate, you pick your fate." The only person that has to agree with what you did in the service is you. You signed the contract and did the job, be proud of that.

Response by MAJ Mark Steskal made May 4 at 2021 3:42 PM

MAJ Mark Steskal — Tue, 04 May 2021 15:42:33 -0400

I served six years in the Navy and three years in the Marines without deploying to a hot spot. I saw Guantanamo Bay and Honduras, but only really as a uniformed tourist. It wasn't until 2010 (after a 35 year wait) that I clawed my way into a deployment to a combat zone. As an Infantry Officer, I got to write news stories and Family Newsletters (Public Affairs work).
Action only happened where I was not. No one shot at me, I never fired a round in anger, and tthe only wounds I suffered were shaving and paper cuts. After all of that, I suppose if you are not a Veteran, neither am I.
But we both are! As someone else mentioned, it's largely a matter of a roll of the dice. You may still get your tiime in the barrel, but if you're not on the pointy end of the spear, you are still part of the shaft.

Response by SPC Jeff Stassin made May 4 at 2021 7:04 PM

SPC Jeff Stassin — Tue, 04 May 2021 19:04:14 -0400

We'll, I did three years active army, from 95-98. 5 months of training then off to Germany for the remainder. I did my three years and got out even after we supported Hungarian and Bosnian humanitarian supplies from our rail head near vogelweh, Germany. Not at any given time was I ever labeled as a Veteran. We were under the impression you had to receive danger pay to earn "veteran" status. I was: Ex military if I didn't deploy to an area deemed a danger zone and received danger pay to go with it. Getting that deployment patch was considered passage to being a "veteran" and receiving a C.O.B. was "combat veteran" status.
That is what seemed to be for the longest time. Now, you can wreck a military vehicle and injure yourself in basic training and AIT and still collect 100% disability, so what do I know.

Response by SSG Rick Miller made May 4 at 2021 9:10 PM

SSG Rick Miller — Tue, 04 May 2021 21:10:01 -0400

Colonel Stoneking gives a fantastic answer. As for the azzhat that said you're not a veteran, how important is this clown's opinion to you? Ask him when and where did he serve. Ask him how much combat did he see. Then, when he starts his answer with "I would have joined, BUT" laugh in his face, resist the urge to deliver a throat punch, then tell him to take a flying f#@k at a donut hole. You're a member of the brotherhood, you did your time, you are a veteran. Anybody tells you any different is an idiot air thief.

Response by PO3 William Sullivan made May 5 at 2021 10:26 AM

PO3 William Sullivan — Wed, 05 May 2021 10:26:02 -0400

I'm a Desert Storm veteran. When I joined, there was not a war on. Projection of power was our mission, which quickly esculated. Some of the guys and gals I trained with said they didn't feel like real veterans because they were doing other missions. Things the DoD considered critical, instead of being part of Desert Shield/Desert Storm. When we volunteer, we volunteer to do as our nation needs us to. Not everyone can be on the front line. Some are in supply, or medical. Some are in different theaters. All we can do is follow our orders and do the best job that we can. That being said, you were where your nation needed you. Don't think your sacrifice means less than mine, as I was where the DoD wanted me. Had you joined during war time, that would make you much bolder than I was.

Response by SGT Thomas Bentley made May 5 at 2021 12:15 PM

SGT Thomas Bentley — Wed, 05 May 2021 12:15:25 -0400

Ask them if THEY served? If they didn't ask them why not? Ask them if they were willing to right the ultimate check for their country. Then if they didn't let them know the weakness within their soul and the judgment they give bares false witness and show the depth of character, drop the mic and walk away.

Response by SFC Kenneth Kreps made May 5 at 2021 4:39 PM

SFC Kenneth Kreps — Wed, 05 May 2021 16:39:59 -0400

First off young man, you DID serve. And I hope you served proudly. I don't know what your MOS was, but it doesn't matter. If you were a cook, then your soldiers ate a good hot meal. If you were a mechanic, then your soldiers drove or rode to their deployment. If you were a duty soldier, and you cut grass, then your soldiers walked on the finest lawns ever. You were trained to fight for freedom, and wrote a blank check to do just that. You are lucky that you did not have to witness the atrocities of war, but you were ready, just in case. Stand tall, young man, you ARE a veteran.

Response by PFC Brian Garrepy made May 6 at 2021 4:35 AM

PFC Brian Garrepy — Thu, 06 May 2021 04:35:35 -0400

I can completely sympathize with this because I never made it out of SOI (Camp Geiger). I was only in the Marines for 1 year (Hon./Med. discharge) but I certainly did all their busy work to include picking up trash along the highway (with a stress fracture in my left leg mind you) and had to deal with shitbirds whom enjoyed giving Admin Co. Marines a hard time. I would've fought to finish my time at Parris Island, where I did my rehabilitation after graduation, had I known what was waiting for me. Yet, I served...Damn right I did. I have 20% disability and I'm most definitely a goddamn veteran. I have a DD-214 to prove it. F**k anyone, especially a civilian, who says otherwise!

Response by CAPT Michael Vaughan made May 6 at 2021 1:57 PM

CAPT Michael Vaughan — Thu, 06 May 2021 13:57:45 -0400

Your answer is: I served where the (pick the right one: Army/Navy/Marine Corps/Air Force) needed me to serve. Not every military job is overseas.

Response by SFC Eddy Meador made May 6 at 2021 2:41 PM

SFC Eddy Meador — Thu, 06 May 2021 14:41:09 -0400

Because your DD Form 214 says you are a veteran. Not some woke little puke that never had to ruck march in the pouring rain at O'dark thirty. Not some numb nut little wuss who thinks that standing outside hold a sign is equal to standing in formation in full battle rattle getting ready to do a FTX or ARTEP or even just going to the range.
Just smile at them and say "if your woke little butt ever got out of your momma's basement and put the xbox controller down for a while, you might consider what they think or even say is worth a cup of piss or an ounce of crap. Until then shut up, move out, and draw fire beeyotch."

Response by Dennis Pungitore made May 6 at 2021 8:55 PM

Dennis Pungitore — Thu, 06 May 2021 20:55:34 -0400

As a 62 year old man that did not serve, I always feel embarrassed to talk to veterans about their service. Deployed or not, you made a tangible commitment to your country that I did not. Thank you for your service.

Response by PFC Edwin James Oudman made May 6 at 2021 9:48 PM

PFC Edwin James Oudman — Thu, 06 May 2021 21:48:56 -0400

JUST LOOK BACK AT THAT CIVILIAN AND SAY “YOU JUST DON’T UNDERSTAND”!!!
I’M A VIETNAM COMBAT VET AND SPENT THE LONGEST YEAR OF MY LIFE OVER THERE. (1965) I CAN COMMUNICATE WITH MY FELLOW VETS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THEY HAD THE SAME EXPERIENCE AS ME. I HANG AROUND WITH A CIVILIAN THAT NEVER WAS IN THE MILITARY SO I KNOW HE CAN’T COMPREHEND WHAT I DID AND WHAT I FEEL, SO I DON’T OPEN UP TO HIM EVEN AFTER 50+ YEARS. HE ASKS ME QUESTIONS SO I ANSWER THEM, BUT I DON’T GET INTO MY ANSWERS TOO DEEP. SURE, I HAVE P.T.S.D. AND AM SOMEWHAT PARANOID AND 100% DISABLED, BUT I STILL KEEP HIM AS A GOOD FRIEND. SO SHAKE THAT FEELING AND KNOW YOU HELPED OUR GOV’T.! AND THOSE THAT WERE DEPLOYED!….ONE DAY, MY FRIEND AND I, WERE WALKING BY A RIVER AND HE ASKED ME “HOW DID I FEEL WHEN I TOOK OUT ANOTHER HUMAN ENEMY?” I TOLD HIM “SEE THAT CAN ON THE OTHER BANK NOW USE YOUR .22 RIFLE AND HIT THAT." HE SHOT AND HIT IT. I SAID HOW DID YOU FEEL WHEN YOU HIT THE CAN? HE SAID “IT’S JUST A TARGET” AND I SAID “YOU GET HARDENED AFTER YOU GET ANOTHER MINDSET OVER THERE AND THEY ARE ALL ‘JUST A TARGET’ AND YOU HAVE TO DO TO SURVIVE! LIFT YOUR HEAD UP CAUSE YOU ARE ONE OF US!!! (THANKS FOR SERVING)…….JIM

Response by SPC Sam Williamson made May 6 at 2021 10:50 PM

SPC Sam Williamson — Thu, 06 May 2021 22:50:19 -0400

This is how I recommend you deal with shitheads like that. Look them in the eye and say "Yeah, well what army was you in, mister?" Then say "If you had served with Captain Quantrill..." Just kidding. "Fuck you, my mission was classified" still works for me.

Response by 1SG Christian Chenard made May 6 at 2021 11:07 PM

1SG Christian Chenard — Thu, 06 May 2021 23:07:15 -0400

The point is you were ready and available. We’re they? No. So you stepped up to the plate and were ready at bat. The coach just didn’t call you out of the dugout. The inning was over before your batting turn came up.

Response by PO1 Lucas O'Dea made May 7 at 2021 7:45 AM

PO1 Lucas O'Dea — Fri, 07 May 2021 07:45:40 -0400

I say any person who says that to a veteran should be bitch slapped! Waaay back in 2001 (half way through my career) our CO told us that only 4% of the nation joins the military. Not just Navy or Air Force, Army or Marines. The entire military only 4%. Now if that doesn't make you feel proud and elite, then there is something wrong with you! As far as this "i never served" douche, and everyone else like him......well they can fuck off and get a swift kick in the junk. People who have never served have no idea the sacrifice we make, whether we are in the places they hear and see or not. I spent 20 years working on airplanes in the navy, never deployed to the sandbox and never went on a ship. Was I not in the navy because I never went on a ship? Be proud of the time you served. You are part of an elite group (which is probably even smaller now). If anyone ever asks a dumb ass question like that again.....tell them to STFU. Because they have no right to make a statement like that if they have never served.

Response by PFC George Kear made May 7 at 2021 3:57 PM

PFC George Kear — Fri, 07 May 2021 15:57:35 -0400

Your a veteran because you obeyed orders, went were you were told and did your job to the best of your abilities and you were always on alert, you could be sent anywhere, at any time on a moments notice. Tell your friend to walk a mile in your if he can.

Response by CSM Jim Corrin made May 8 at 2021 9:05 AM

CSM Jim Corrin — Sat, 08 May 2021 09:05:03 -0400

You wrote the blank check to your country. Your country chose how to cash it, not you. Stand tall and be proud that you did something your critic did not have the fortitude to do. You wrote the checK!

Response by LTC(P) Christina Moore made May 8 at 2021 9:17 AM

LTC(P) Christina Moore — Sat, 08 May 2021 09:17:25 -0400

Just tremember that it takes a whole Army to field a portion of one. Your service IS just as valuable regardless of deployment or not. Countless times when I was deployed I relied on people back in the States to ship me something, research something, ....answer the phone. I would NOT have made it without those people. It takes a village. By extension, you were a part of me while I was deployed. I never undervalue the service of those who didnot deploy, and someone who never served should not either.

Response by MSG Randy Sheets made May 8 at 2021 11:42 AM

MSG Randy Sheets — Sat, 08 May 2021 11:42:37 -0400

You raised your hand and was willing to defended the Constitution. and was willing to give your life for it. I am in the same boat. 24 years, retired MSG and never deployed over seas but was deployed at an airport as NCOIC for armed security, but to some people and the V.A. it doesn't count. It doesn't make you any less of a Soldier. Keep your head up and for the civilians, give them the same response I do in a good manner, "no...have you". Retired MSG Sheets.

Response by PO1 Don Benson made May 8 at 2021 8:03 PM

PO1 Don Benson — Sat, 08 May 2021 20:03:58 -0400

“Go f**k yourself, lesser ape” works.

Response by SP5 Derick Johnsohne made May 8 at 2021 8:23 PM

SP5 Derick Johnsohne — Sat, 08 May 2021 20:23:04 -0400

i just mention i did my service during peacetime .

Response by Sgt Ed Hernandez made May 8 at 2021 9:27 PM

Sgt Ed Hernandez — Sat, 08 May 2021 21:27:19 -0400

fuck em!

Response by SSgt Paulina Hicks made May 9 at 2021 4:34 AM

SSgt Paulina Hicks — Sun, 09 May 2021 04:34:30 -0400

Just know that most of us have had an incident like your experience at one point or other in our lives. Also, keep in mind there is plenty of ignorance out in the world.
I was speaking to my sister one day, and I guess out of our conversation the fact that I am a Veteran come into our conversation. My brother-in-law overheard our discussion so, he was quick to point out, ‘you are not a Veteran, you never served overseas.’ Damn, I very seldom lose my temper, but I could feel the blood running dangerously fast to my head. And I can honestly tell you, the only reason my brother-in-law is walking today is for the sake of my sister. He went on to say the most absurd and ignorant comments. Such as, “women don’t go to war.” “Women don’t really go overseas.” “Your brother is a man; he is a veteran.” Well, I ripped him a new one as you can imagine. I am extremely private, and I choose not to share my dark military experiences with anyone, specially not with my family. This is what people know, I went overseas several times, and I VOLUNTEER each time. I served close to nine years in the Air Force, Air Guard and Navy.
These are the parts that most people don’t know, I was stalked twice, and almost murder in one of those instances. I had a supervisor who sexually degraded me for being a woman, daily; I endured this for two years. I was severely beaten and raped multiple times; then, for an added torment to my life, I was afflicted with the statements of she is a whore, a liar, no one is going to believe the slut. And yes, I was never believed the first time, why try to a second time? So, I can be tormented over, and over again. My units were mostly composed of over 200 men, and 1 to 3 women. Therefore, I had to grow a thick skin and earn the respect of my peers. Respect was not given to me as it was to most people; I had to earn it the hard way. To make matters worse, I was injured and had to be discharged; honorably, may I say. I share this with fear of backlash, and humility in my heart. You know, the crazy part is I would do it all over again. When I signed my enlistment papers, I swore to defend my country at all costs; this includes my life, my reputation, my mental state…And I meant it wholeheartedly. No one can take the pride and honor for my service of country out of life. Just because I don’t have a p…s between my legs does not make me less of a soldier or veteran.
This phrase is what gives me comfort and hope, “Don’t run away or fear adversity. Our souls grow through struggles and storms. Our qualities are sharpened during seasons of suffering. We must allow God to use these difficulties to refine our character. After all, God cares more about the growth of character, then comfort.” My advice is, at the end of the day God hears, and sees all things; he determines your steps. So, don’t worry what others think or say to you or about you. God should be our only concern.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made May 9 at 2021 10:48 AM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 09 May 2021 10:48:08 -0400

Do not ever feel that because you did not deploy to a combat zone, that you are not a Veteran. You are a member of an Elite group that gave up everything to serve your country. While many talk the talk, few have taken the walk.

Response by SSG Bruce Booker made May 9 at 2021 11:20 AM

SSG Bruce Booker — Sun, 09 May 2021 11:20:38 -0400

You volunteered to serve, to go wherever your country sent you, to pay the ultimate price if you had to. Many civilians don’t even try to understand that. Most of them aren’t willing to do what you did. Compare the military to a spear. The pointy end does the killing, but it takes the whole spear to get the job done. You were a part of that spear. You are a veteran.

Response by TSgt Jeremy Walter made May 9 at 2021 11:26 AM

TSgt Jeremy Walter — Sun, 09 May 2021 11:26:24 -0400

I was in the Air Force for 20 years and never deployed. I spent 75% of my career in MAJCOMs that never deployed, only trained those to deploy. This should never be an issue if you served honorably. 3 years is a drop in a bucket but you are still considered a VETERAN. If I could have deployed I would have...I was needed stateside to keep birds in the sky which allowed pilots to train. Just like writing an EPR, I could always be part of the deployment with my efforts on the Homeland. Be proud that you served and hang your head high.

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made May 9 at 2021 12:57 PM

LtCol Robert Quinter — Sun, 09 May 2021 12:57:14 -0400

You signed the contract, trained and were ready. Your number wasn't called. Feel proud you stepped forward and were willing. Hold your head high. Be happy you were lucky.

Response by Cpl Ed Casala made May 9 at 2021 3:47 PM

Cpl Ed Casala — Sun, 09 May 2021 15:47:30 -0400

Tell them when you signed on the dotted line and served your country. Some MOS's just don't deploy, no shame in that.

Response by Cpl Ed Casala made May 9 at 2021 3:47 PM

Cpl Ed Casala — Sun, 09 May 2021 15:47:44 -0400

Tell them when you signed on the dotted line and served your country. Some MOS's just don't deploy, no shame in that.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made May 9 at 2021 4:02 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Sun, 09 May 2021 16:02:01 -0400

There should be an indicator for combat veteran. You can spend a career in the Army without ever proving you are a soldier. I was an E6 with five years in the Army when I volunteered just to see if I really was that good

Response by SFC Jack Reeves made May 9 at 2021 4:56 PM

SFC Jack Reeves — Sun, 09 May 2021 16:56:54 -0400

I was an Armored Cavalry Platoon Sergeant who became a Recruiter right before Kuwait. Imagine how I felt when my unit deployed and I didn't. Who knew? But, as has been said by others, we have done something that most of the adult population has never done and that is, put our futures in the hands of an entity which decides when, where and what job we will do. That's our job; to follow orders for the good of the entire military system. You are a better person than I; most civilians have no clue and I usually don't waste my time trying to clue them in. I'm proud of you for not kicking his 6!

Response by MSgt Thomas O'Rourke made May 9 at 2021 5:46 PM

MSgt Thomas O'Rourke — Sun, 09 May 2021 17:46:14 -0400

If you raised your right hand and took the oath, served honorably, and gave your best effort at all times, your service is equal to my service; and I deployed three times with two in Iraq.

Response by Cpl Jeff Ruffing made May 9 at 2021 8:49 PM

Cpl Jeff Ruffing — Sun, 09 May 2021 20:49:16 -0400

I deal with it like this:
I came home from Desert Storm a bit later than others. I had a date set up they my mom and dad,( some lady they thought would be “the one” for me. I wore my uniform, Class A. We went to a lounge and the manager said he would pay for one drink. Well apparently, that word got around and the employees as well as customers took the whole bill up for meal and drink for the four of us. I got up to use the gents, and this guy walked up to me and said rather sarcastically,” I’m not a Desert Hero, I’m just a Vietnam vet.” I turned to him and said,” Look, I really didn’t know what happened to you guys first hand, after all I was too young to enlist, ( I was 12 years old when Nam ended) all I heard was stories, and I was trained by Vietnam Vets. However, I can guarantee had I been of age when you went, my ass would be “in the grass” along side of you. It’s not your fault you were too young for WW2 or Korea, cause had you’d been, you’d be “over there” and secondly of all, I don’t feel like a hero, this is a bit embarrassing for me. I feel bless I made it along with all the men in my squad. So, back off”. He shook his head and apologized and I bought him a drink. I respect ALL service members whether they had combat experience or not. Not everyone can be a Rambo, and quite honestly, Rambo is full of shit. Be proud you don’t have to deal with “issues” or medical conditions. I wish I didn’t. Give anything not to have “issues” or any of the other shit things. The only ones who will make it a big deal are the ones who where in the shit. You can have the “patch” and never see shit. You could be in the “rear with the gear” and get the patch. Those people that make a big deal about it where never really in it. They are wanna bees. I caught a medic, who I know was there, talking about how he was “assigned” to a British commando unit, and how the where gonna attack this fortified village. The Brits ( this is his story, not mine) strapped him to the hood of a humvee with duct tape, gave him a M60 and he was driven thru the village with this M60 blazing. I kept my mouth shut and observed the crowd he was entertaining and caught a few knowing looks of the Bull Shit meter going off. But the rest, drank his story down and wanted more. Swear to God it seemed like the quarter million or so of us weren’t needed for Desert Storm because this guy, a medic, taped to the hood of a humvee with 100 mile an hour tape seemed to have won the war single handily. I lost respect of this medic right there, didn’t call him out on his bullshit because he was a higher rank. Kept my mouth shut and watched people who wanted to be entertained by a “Rambo” like story, be entertained. War is Not like a movie. Movies are Bull Shit. People who ride your ass cause you ain’t got the patch are Bull Shit. You signed a contract saying “yes, send me” and you weren’t sent. Ain’t your fault and there is nothing to be ashamed of. Stand tall and be proud of your accomplishments since you’ve been in. Your a serviceman, not a child no more. The Lion doesn’t turn his head to look at the dogs behind him bark. I tried out for SF medic before Desert Storm. I got my ass handed to me and was sent back to my unit. All the fuckers who made fun of me would NEVER even try what I tried to do. There fun of me was to compensate for their own weakness to try and improve their own sorry ass existence. Pay them no never mind

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made May 9 at 2021 9:56 PM

SFC Kenneth Hunnell — Sun, 09 May 2021 21:56:33 -0400

Be glad, the fact that you are available is good enough for me

Response by PO2 Jay Stotler made May 10 at 2021 7:34 AM

PO2 Jay Stotler — Mon, 10 May 2021 07:34:12 -0400

That’s simple the military is every place it needs to be and the work in the states is just as important as anything else.... I was stationed at Coast Guard Air Station and you didn’t wear your uniform off base because you might get shot, but not combat .
Military personal die from training accidents to wars none the less they were doing their part just as you never feel less of yourself you went where the government needed you and did your job ,I’d ask them what branch were you in ?
We all did our part for the good of the country and to allow people like them to do what they do .Never ever feel less for what you did training and support etc are just as important....
Thank you for serving

Response by MSG Albert Grounds made May 10 at 2021 8:13 AM

MSG Albert Grounds — Mon, 10 May 2021 08:13:32 -0400

My opinion is you could have said you did not have control of where you are assigned and it is the job of the military department of which you are with. You do not need to feel bad about the fact someone being critical doesn't know how the military assigns their personnel.

Response by LTC Charles Patchin made May 10 at 2021 9:08 AM

LTC Charles Patchin — Mon, 10 May 2021 09:08:26 -0400

Do not give any value to those who question your service. They are probably jealous anyway. Always remember that we didn't really have a choice where we were sent.

Response by Sgt Larry Irvine made May 10 at 2021 9:31 AM

Sgt Larry Irvine — Mon, 10 May 2021 09:31:42 -0400

You did everything that was required of you. I never deployed either, but I did everything I was ordered to, and went everywhere they sent me.
We fulfilled our contracts brother.
That being said, I do hold combat vets in a higher regard!

Response by PV2 Anthony Taylor made May 10 at 2021 11:56 AM

PV2 Anthony Taylor — Mon, 10 May 2021 11:56:38 -0400

Some of us never even made it out of basic, if that means anything for you. We were failures off the line, but we failed together, gave our all knowing we took the oath and this was part of the job, just like you. We are Veterans, Specialist. Never doubt that and hold your head high knowing you did something few others have the courage to do in their entire life!
E Pluribus Unum.

Response by Sgt Francisco Grijalva made May 11 at 2021 1:43 PM

Sgt Francisco Grijalva — Tue, 11 May 2021 13:43:45 -0400

I never deployed either in the four and a half years that I served, but that has never been a problem with me. I can care less about what people tell me about that. I am a Veteran and there is nothing they can say to that.

Response by PO3 Robert Freeman made May 13 at 2021 1:19 AM

PO3 Robert Freeman — Thu, 13 May 2021 01:19:44 -0400

You served. You know it. We know it. Who cares what a bonehead says? I had a fool tell me I wasn't a Viet Nam Vet because I was on a ship off the coast. Our ship had bombs, black oil, JP5 and Av Gas that we gave to the Carriers and Tin Cans. We went through mine fields and fought fires. We worked our asses off and were lucky to sleep a few hours at a time. I told the POS hippy to put it where the sun don't shine. Thanks for serving brother!

Response by SPC Cory Thomson made May 14 at 2021 3:18 AM

SPC Cory Thomson — Fri, 14 May 2021 03:18:45 -0400

Ask them where they deployed to. I joined dec 2000 and got to my duty station around the Fourth of July. I was in the motor pool playing spades the morning of September 11th. We had a recall formation and were told we were on notice to deploy, I spent 2002 in Kuwait readying vehicles, came home for Christmas and was on advon for the return to Kuwait. We posted up near the border, and I got a Red Cross message from my wife (no cell phones and very limited internet, no personal computers) my son was sick, and that’s how my unit found out that bush gave saddam notice, I told her she would know where I was by the news. We pushed up to the border and then 3rd Infantry was the spearhead of the invasion, even though I was on the front line and was shot at a handful of times I didn’t see much combat. Spent most of the year in Baghdad then back to Kuwait for a few months. Rotated back and got out the next year when they tried to send me back again. I saw a lot of fucked up shit, true heroism and true cowardice, the best of leadership and the worst sandbags deserving of an “accidental friendly fire” casualty. But in all I still felt weird to be called a combat vet. It’s hard being a 20 something year old and having more life experience than people twice your age, it’s hard mustering up a fuck for some shitty supervisor when you’ve experienced the kind of leader you would throw yourself on a grenade for. And it’s really hard trying not to smack the shit out of some snowflake tard who couldn’t find his ass with two hands, when they say stupid shit like what you received. You volunteered you served you did more than 90% of the rest of the morons you will ever meet. You are not alone I didn’t know my grandfather and grandmother had way more medals than I did (from ww2) or that my grandad was a Purple Heart recipient until my grandmother died. It wasn’t something she talked about, everyone deals in their own way. I tell people rude enough to ask how many kills I got that I was the door gunner on the space shuttle. That’s just my two cents.
As my 1st Sgt said “Be good to yo self” take care and know you have a brother here.

Response by SFC Michael Pemberton made May 14 at 2021 2:50 PM

SFC Michael Pemberton — Fri, 14 May 2021 14:50:56 -0400

There is only a minor difference in a combat veteran (offense or defense) and a veteran that served in that era, but not in a combat zone or theater. We used to say "been there, seen it, done it, got the t-shirt, not impressed" or "got sand in my boots". The only unforgivable sin is to misrepresent yourself as having experienced the dangers and privations of combat. I usually end such conversations with "if I tell you, I will have to kill you". Most combat veterans will not discuss their deployments or actions, and especially not their body count. You have nothing to explain or apologize for. You are just as important as the food service personnel that fed us, the mechanic or tech that kept our equipment, the transportation people who kept us supplied, and the medic that patched us up but never used a weapon in a battle. That includes the civilian back home who produced the equipment, food, and supplies that kept us alive, and the tax payer who footed the bill. Roughly 10% of our forces in a combat zone experience actual battle, but they still risk being blown up or blown away as the enemy targets our supply lines and support facilities.
Okay, here goes. I retired as an Army Platoon Sergeant and tank Master Gunner. I had boots on the ground in Viet-Nam, Korean DMZ, the Iron Curtain in West Germany, and the 1991 Operation Desert Storm of the PGW. I am not a stranger to enemy fire, but I don't have a Purple Heart or the Bronze Star. I walked away relatively unscathed. In the cantonment area of King Khalid Military City an eighteen year old female transportation specialist was off duty and sleeping on a cot in a warehouse. She was cuddling the stuffed bear she had brought along. The Iraqis unleashed a scud missile toward Riyadh, which was intercepted by our Patriot Missile battery. The engine from the Scud crashed through the warehouse roof and crushed her as she slept. I don't think that there is any question that that truck driver is a veteran. What was her combat experience and body count? When anyone asks, be polite, and let them go first and tell you of their service and sacrifice. They will probably change the topic.

Response by PV2 Ross Bryan made May 15 at 2021 9:27 AM

PV2 Ross Bryan — Sat, 15 May 2021 09:27:04 -0400

AS SOMEONE WHO WAS FORCED INTO THE RESERVES BY THE LESS DESIRABLE DRAFT,
THEN MANAGING TO WEASLE OUT BEFORE UNIT ACTVATION FOR NAM, I REGARD MYSELF AS A MARGINAL VET!
WHEN FACING INDIVIDUALS THAT QUESTION MY TIME IN , I ASK THEM IF THEY EVER SERVED AND VOLUNTEERED THEMSELVES!
THEN SAY, "IF NOT , WHY NOT??"

Response by CWO3 Robert Fong made May 17 at 2021 4:33 PM

CWO3 Robert Fong — Mon, 17 May 2021 16:33:39 -0400

Specialist, here's the long and short of this story. Your service is as valuable as the guy jerking a trigger or popping caps at some yahoo. The guy with the ruck needs support. If that wasn't the case there would not be the Adjutant General's Corps, Medical Corps, Ordinance, Chemical Corps, Aviation, Ordinance, Signal Corps, etc. It takes a lot of guys behind the guy making life miserable for the bad guys. So, when someone questions your support and necessity tell them to go pound sand. If they don't think support is not cool, wait until some paymaster jerks their pay day around. In the Coast Guard, we believe that it takes a lot of folks to make the boat float. We have a saying; all the other rates live to serve the Boatswain. What is meant is this: It takes all the rates to make a Cutter ready for sea and to operate her, therefore, we value every rate. So, you stand tall and know that you are a valued member of the team or you wouldn't be there.

Response by SGT Donald Gebhardt made May 19 at 2021 2:25 AM

SGT Donald Gebhardt — Wed, 19 May 2021 02:25:03 -0400

I've encountered some similar attitudes when I tell people I helped keep trinkhalles and beergartens in West Germany
safe from communist domination. When I get that 'look' in response I ask what branch they were in. And I point out that I was taught how to shoot them from 300 meters away, without a scope. Then I suggest they volunteer so they have a reference point to speak from.
Smile and wave, boys, smile and wave.
Other times I point out that if they've not served they don't know whiskey tango foxtrot they're taking about.
We ALL swear the same oath, and I don't remember anything in my debriefing repealing it.

Response by SGT Doug Blanchard made May 22 at 2021 8:07 PM

SGT Doug Blanchard — Sat, 22 May 2021 20:07:13 -0400

I would not let what this woosy had to say bother you. IMO alk he was trying to do is make himself feel superior to you. There are many Veterans out there that never served in combat, especially after Vietnam ended, or for that matrer during Vietnam.
But we alk, and I do nean alk of us that are Veterabs, both combat and non-combar Vets have one 5hing in common, and that is:
At one time or another we alk wrote a blank check to the people of this country made payable in the amout of up to and including our life if need be.
I have had idiots like you encountered that has done their best to make you doubt yourself, just walk away, as they are not worth you wasting your time on. They have no idea what it meabs to sacrife and be willing to give your life for something you and others like you and most everyone else here on RP were willing to do and would probably do it all again if needed.

Response by PVT Pat Morrison made May 25 at 2021 10:24 AM

PVT Pat Morrison — Tue, 25 May 2021 10:24:17 -0400

There actually were times when America was not at war. And those who served during those times are still veterans.!There has to be a continuity of forces. Even if you can't join theVFW.

Response by CPL Jerry Galloway made May 26 at 2021 10:48 AM

CPL Jerry Galloway — Wed, 26 May 2021 10:48:20 -0400

You are a VETERAN. I served from 90-96 and never deployed. It's not like we had a say in it. Unlike the slug that said those thing s to you. We raised our hand and completed the training. They have no idea how many contribute to combat without ever deploying. Granted, we are not combat veterans but we served just the same. I heard somewhere that only 7% of civilians even qualify to serve. You made the cutoff. Hold your head high. YOU ARE A VETERAN.
Don't let anyone tell you different.

Drive on, Brother

Response by PO3 Scot StClair made May 29 at 2021 5:17 PM

PO3 Scot StClair — Sat, 29 May 2021 17:17:22 -0400

You signed on the dotted line and took the oath. You made your life a blank check for the advancement of freedom and defense of our country. THANK YOU! Tell that person, "ok, it wasn't up to me to be assigned anywhere, but I volunteered to go. What did you do in the war? I'll bet they didn't do anything but shiver behind the flag! Maggots.

Response by SSG James Stodola made Jun 4 at 2021 9:58 AM

SSG James Stodola — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 09:58:36 -0400

This is the problem with dealing with civilians after your service is over. Basically they have no clue as to how things work. Deployments, or the lack thereof don't make you a veteran. Serving your country makes you a veteran, you did that end of discussion. You simply explain this to them and they still wish to argue then walk away, as it would appear that they are intellectually unfit for a simply debate. They are not worth arguing with.

Response by PO1 John Wypyszinski made Jun 4 at 2021 2:49 PM

PO1 John Wypyszinski — Fri, 04 Jun 2021 14:49:45 -0400

Look him/her straight in the eyes, smile and ask them when they served. Dollars to doughnuts they didn't, when they give you the deer in the headlights look or the famous "I was gonna join but..." just nod and say "You're welcome." And if they have a girl with them, as General Mattis suggests give her a wink so she knows she's dating/married a p***y.

Response by MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan made Jun 6 at 2021 4:37 PM

MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan — Sun, 06 Jun 2021 16:37:28 -0400

Ignore them...or harangue them for not doing what you did by giving your time and service to their freedom (he said, tongue in cheek). When my unit deployed to Desert Storm I was left behind to keep the operation going in order to maintain local support. We all did the job that we were assigned to do, and that's the real bottomline.

Response by GySgt Jack Wallace made Jun 6 at 2021 8:59 PM

GySgt Jack Wallace — Sun, 06 Jun 2021 20:59:15 -0400

Well, I would say, I did serve. And served well* One can't tell Uncle Sam where you want to go or what you want to do. For me my very first duty station was Okinawa.I was there 3.3 yrs. Out of 12 yrs of military service I never went to combat myself. I was called up for the first desert storm but I had broken my shoulder during police training and was not deployed. I do however fell when talking to combat vets, I show them a little respect for what they did. Hope this helped.
God Bless, be safe and be proud of what you did/served*
P.S. The one that judges you maybe the one who stayed at home and went to school to avoid serving or doing some type for protesting*** We saw this a lot in Vietnam*

Response by MSgt Kerry Lundy made Jun 22 at 2021 9:38 PM

MSgt Kerry Lundy — Tue, 22 Jun 2021 21:38:46 -0400

Hold your head high! You were available and ready and sometimes it is "the luck of the draw". I served 21 years active duty !965-1986. My AFSC (job) as a mechanic for special purpose vehicles was froze for Southeast Asia (Vietnam). As I said sometimes it is the luck of the draw. I served three tours in Nam and I knew some with the same specialty as mine who served none. As others have said you signed the blank check, you were available so hold your head high and continue doing your job to best of your ability. There will be other deployments. Just continue working hard doing the best job possible and hold your head high, your turn will come. Take advantage of any training that is offered to you.

Response by Sgt Able Snider made Jun 28 at 2021 10:08 AM

Sgt Able Snider — Mon, 28 Jun 2021 10:08:51 -0400

You served. Plain and simple.

Response by SPC Earl Semler made Jun 30 at 2021 5:24 PM

SPC Earl Semler — Wed, 30 Jun 2021 17:24:42 -0400

Ask the person who said that to you when they deployed. When they say say NO ask them how they supported the deployed troops? Then tell them even though you didn't deploy you spent every day supporting those who did.

Response by MSG Bob S made Jul 5 at 2021 11:14 AM

MSG Bob S — Mon, 05 Jul 2021 11:14:53 -0400

Ask them in which branch they served, knowing full well they are part of the population that won’t ever serve and are most likely Call of Duty veterans. That question is as ignorant as asking how many people I’ve killed. Be proud of the fact you took the oath to go wherever and whenever your branch told you in order to support the overall mission.

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Jul 9 at 2021 6:02 PM

CPO Jack De Merit — Fri, 09 Jul 2021 18:02:08 -0400

That requires a very simple response. "By enlisting in the military, I served my country. I was willing to fight if necessary and do whatever they needed me to do if not. I gave up 3, 4, 5, etc. years of my personal life and could have given up my LIFE just to serve my country. What did you do?"

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2021 11:55 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 12 Jul 2021 23:55:35 -0400

I've never been deployed either in almost 10 yrs of service in the national guard. I was asked a similar question by a disrespectful idiot and said, "so what! I've done my contract and then some, I've earned the title of veteran. If I'm ever called upon to go, I'll go, come what may."

Response by SPC Kim Price made Jul 22 at 2021 6:18 PM

SPC Kim Price — Thu, 22 Jul 2021 18:18:48 -0400

I can identify as a ARNG during the Vietnam War , never seeing combat , however I did as my unit by command organization. My unit wasn’t deployed so neither was I but we were all government property as it was relayed to me , very heartily by my Drill Sargeant at Fort Polk and my Co. 1st Sarge at
my unit.

Response by Sgt Stephen Ragni made Jul 22 at 2021 8:54 PM

Sgt Stephen Ragni — Thu, 22 Jul 2021 20:54:16 -0400

Had a co worker ask me if Marines who deployed “looked down on me” because I didn’t. He was a civilian. I replied that I’ve never experienced that and had hoped they didn’t see me differently as I do not look down on you for never serving. He turned and walked away.

Response by MSG Kevin Elliott made Jul 25 at 2021 7:19 PM

MSG Kevin Elliott — Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:19:51 -0400

Just ask them, "And you served when?" Then explain that you aren't one of the 95+% who thought about joining or almost joined. You joined. There was always a chance that you would be deployed. Maybe you did, maybe you didn't, but it was a roll of the dice. How dare someone who was never willing to take the chance would try to sit in judgement.

Response by Sgt Tony Anderson made Jul 27 at 2021 3:50 PM

Sgt Tony Anderson — Tue, 27 Jul 2021 15:50:58 -0400

I was USAFE during the cold war, we were at a base in the Netherlands, awesome assignment, no bullets flying, no nothing. Oh yeah, we also were 5 mins away by air from the Soviet Union and their nukes which were pointed at us. So no...I didn't deploy either. If somebody questioned, I'd just tell them "I followed the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me."

Response by PO3 Andrew Kelly made Aug 6 at 2021 11:59 PM

PO3 Andrew Kelly — Fri, 06 Aug 2021 23:59:27 -0400

I wrote a blank check payable with my life and allowed the US to hold that for 6 1/2 years of my life. In exchange, they fed me, housed me, looked after me, and promised me that whatever they asked me to face would serve my country and I would not face it alone. And when I was done I would be able to hold my head up knowing I had served willingly. It does not matter that they did not ask me to stand on the line. It was enough that I had said that if it was needed I would be there.

Response by Amn Joseph H. made Aug 7 at 2021 8:36 AM

Amn Joseph H. — Sat, 07 Aug 2021 08:36:33 -0400

Bottom line:) To civilians I just stare/smirch and walk by them:) Never thought much about their opinion on military, what could they possibly understand or know?:) Heard a actor utter the saying "you don't have to waste the people, but you got to show up" and it was a real battle, but recognized a private reality. This in the mano-mano, army/marines infantry, dogface, grunts tip of the spear. As a x-af trained medical person treated all civilians as children, men, women. Worked for the grunts needs and input, but civilians?:):):):) Remember which, civilian or veteran took the training, dangerous, learned tactics, wrapped in a collective effort goal. Civilians lack group disciple, knowledge of state of the art weapon systems. Never be made insecure by such unprepared citizens, especially in emergencies. In the military you constantly try and prepare for the worst cases scenario, and serving at any level rare in our society, 2 million in service globally out of 335 million? Give them a nod, and smirk, and be happy your one of us, not them:) Just saying...:) Joe6pK

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2021 7:00 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 07 Aug 2021 19:00:40 -0400

I felt less than for not
Deploying and went back in. Deployed and can say don’t feel that way. You don’t get to decide and times have also changed

Response by SGT Keith Smith made Aug 8 at 2021 9:08 AM

SGT Keith Smith — Sun, 08 Aug 2021 09:08:50 -0400

Okay the correct response would be no response. You can not fix stupidity even with Duct Tape. I would say this person has a problem with you and is trying to get to you with his stupidity.
You let him in so now listen to the old soldiers. So what? You didn’t deploy. So what? You supported the ones that did. Helped train the ones who did. You probably saved more lives than you could ever know. You took the work load off the soldiers who did and are now in mental health. There are thousands of ways you could have helped. Does this lessen your service? No if anything you had lots of discrimination from your fellow soldiers because your shoulder was blank. Does that lessen your service? No just because your unit never deployed doesn’t mean your service was less than any other vet. You earned that title. You served to earn that title. You completed 3 years of active service. Most likely you are on the 5 year IRR list and should your country need you, you will be on that plane with a smile. The ones who never served can not understand because they have no experience that comes close. They are being ignorant so unless they want to go to a unit for two weeks of training they have no biases to speak. Has a vet ever said your not a vet? No then this is what i would say nothing not a thing fighting with a fence post is no fun. Now your feeling guilty that a little tougher. Take a breath and still your feelings and take a look at what you did, then look at the ways you supported your fellow soldiers. We are a team and everything that every soldier does is to support the Armies mission to protect the nation. So why should you feel guilty?

Response by Maj Gail Lofdahl made Aug 21 at 2021 2:22 AM

Maj Gail Lofdahl — Sat, 21 Aug 2021 02:22:01 -0400

I can think of only one response: "But enough about my military career. Tell me all about yours."
(BTW, when one of my community college students had the temerity to ask me if I'd killed anyone, I stared pointedly at him and replied, "No. But the semester is young.")

Response by MAJ Steve Warnerski made Aug 23 at 2021 6:55 PM

MAJ Steve Warnerski — Mon, 23 Aug 2021 18:55:54 -0400

ALL servicemembers go WHERE ORDERED....and near none have the authority to go where they WANT to go. The fact you never deployed is irrelevant; you served the Nation by enlisting / being commissioned, and fulfilled your oath. Thats about it - you did what you SWORE to do.

And, the vast vast majority of those who DID deploy rarely left the base / FOB. They may / may not have taken some incoming, in which case they took shelter.

If logic doesn't work, there is always the last resort of getting in their face & yelling "Phuck you."

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 27 at 2021 4:13 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Aug 2021 04:13:29 -0400

Picture this. A brain surgeon who don’t want to open a skull. A police officer who Dont want to arrest or issue citations to no one. A mechanic who don’t want to fix an engine. An astronaut who don’t want to get inside a rocketship. So 1.is not a Brain Surgeon 2.is not a police officer 3.is not a mechanic 4.is not an astronaut 5.is not a soldier.

Response by SPC Robert Bobo made Aug 27 at 2021 11:20 AM

SPC Robert Bobo — Fri, 27 Aug 2021 11:20:14 -0400

I never engage in conversations surrounding my military service with someone who never put on the uniform, these conversations are reserved for Veterans

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Aug 28 at 2021 10:35 PM

1SG James Kelly — Sat, 28 Aug 2021 22:35:37 -0400

The 1SG says:

Eat shit
Bark at the moon
Die
And go to hell
I cleaned it up for the faint of heart.

Response by Sgt Michael Betts made Aug 29 at 2021 7:28 PM

Sgt Michael Betts — Sun, 29 Aug 2021 19:28:30 -0400

Hold your head up, bud. You had no choice in where and how you served. That was up to Uncle Sam and you didn't have a whole lot of say in what happened. Be proud of the fact that you raised your hand and swore an oath to defend and protect your country. That's a hell of a lot more than many are willing to do these days.

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Aug 30 at 2021 7:30 AM

SPC Donn Sinclair — Mon, 30 Aug 2021 07:30:26 -0400

My initial response would be, "How many tours did you do?" If I had the choice between directing traffic at Fort Gordon or going to Vietnam, I wouldn't have thought twice about staying stateside. Sadly, we have some of the same mindset in the veteran community. There are those of us who think if you weren't in combat arms, didn't earn a CIB or Combat Action ribbon, you're not a "real veteran."

Response by PO1 Karen Eggers made Aug 31 at 2021 5:34 PM

PO1 Karen Eggers — Tue, 31 Aug 2021 17:34:24 -0400

As a 20-year spook who never deployed please look anyone who claims you're not a veteran dead in the eye and tell them to go to hell. Until they signed their name on a flipping contract and volunteered to serve this country they don't have the right to say s*** to you.

Secondly it is been proven that it takes two and a half sailors/soldiers/airmen/marines/coasties working in support roles to adequately support one person deployed in the field.

You signed up you put on a uniform you showed up everyday and provided support you sure as hell of a veteran.

Response by 1LT Howard Foss made Aug 31 at 2021 6:51 PM

1LT Howard Foss — Tue, 31 Aug 2021 18:51:30 -0400

never deployed?
did you change bases?
did you preform a function in the service?
did you sign on the dotted line and swore an oath to give your life to defend this country?
"i'm sorry sir, your not one us", have a nice day.

Response by SFC Keith Gardner made Sep 2 at 2021 1:21 PM

SFC Keith Gardner — Thu, 02 Sep 2021 13:21:29 -0400

I’ll tell you the same thing I told my troops who never got the opportunity to deploy before their ETS. You showed up and signed on the dotted line. You raised your right hand and swore an oath. You (presumably) served honorably and have a DD 214. Don’t ever let anyone speak critically of your service— including you. The second you signed up to serve you’d already done more than Billy Bob back on the block. How many times did I correct the statement “I’m only a: Private or Specialist or Lieutenant”? If you wear boots for a living you’re never “just” anything. You’re a GD Soldier. Take pride in that FACT. We don’t get to choose where, when or if we deploy. The Army makes that decision and we execute it. Too simple. You were a Soldier and now you’re a Veteran. If anybody tries to tell you otherwise read my response. If they still try to judge or de-quantify your service politely ask them for their name and address and DM me. I’ll show up at their door, grab them by the ear and drag them through hell… metaphorically. Stand up straight and drive on Specialist.

Response by SPC Kerry Cooper made Sep 5 at 2021 8:31 PM

SPC Kerry Cooper — Sun, 05 Sep 2021 20:31:44 -0400

Unless your joining a group on social media that requires deployment dates or specific ribbons you, Actually dont owe anyone an explanation of your service time. I'm an Admin for a Vietnam Veteran's group. Only specific Era Veteran's are allowed to join. No idea how your Post 9-11 groups are set up. But on the street you owe no one an explanation. The deployed and un-deployed took the same oath of service. You served your country and you are a Veteran, period.

Response by SPC David Laden made Sep 22 at 2021 5:50 PM

SPC David Laden — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 17:50:24 -0400

Just tell the to go fuck themselves!

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2021 1:16 AM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Oct 2021 01:16:51 -0400

Maybe you should try informing them that you or anybody as an individual does not determine whether you deploy or not. You don't wake up one morning and decide: Hey, I think I'll catch a plane to Afghanistan today. It could be a timing thing as a unit deployment, or it may be that your unit's mission at the time is geared toward other military/political priorities. If you are not in a combat arms MOS i.e. infantry, artillery, special forces; then your chances are even more limited to deploy. While they do need support MOSs in country, the majority of service members deployed are fighters. The majority of support personnel can provide support to the fighters from outside the actual combat zone.
As for your feeling of them saying you didn't serve your country; you did serve. Not everybody's mission is to fight. Additionally, when you consider the size of the U.S. Armed Forces. Consider there are more than 1.3 million across the Armed Forces and another 850K in the National Guard. I believe the troop count reached 100K in August 2010, but before that you may have been looking at 10,000-25,000, and at for quite a few of the 20 years, below 10,000. So, a majority of the U.S. Armed Forces did not deploy, but whose mission was to support the war efforts. You have nothing to feel bad about not deploying, as long as you worked toward or accomplished the mission you and/or your unit was given.

Response by MAJ Ron Peery made Oct 10 at 2021 8:30 AM

MAJ Ron Peery — Sun, 10 Oct 2021 08:30:08 -0400

Those who only serve themselves will always attempt to belittle the service of others. Be proud you served, and remember the good times with your brothers and sisters in arms. Don't let the weak drag you down.

Response by SP5 Bill Larrabee made Nov 9 at 2021 1:42 PM

SP5 Bill Larrabee — Tue, 09 Nov 2021 13:42:09 -0500

You do not respond. This man (I assume) knows no more about what it is like to be a veteran than he does to be a woman. No non-veteran understands the second-family nature of being in or having been in the military, and they cannot. Do not allow these ignorant people to have a remote control over your feelings or your sense of self-esteem. Remind yourself that he has no idea what he is talking about, and be grateful for the community of which you are a part - a community of selfless citizens who served their country. Also remember that there has to be something inside that individual that is so painful and insecure that he had to make a comment like that in the first place, and that like all of us he has his challenges.

Response by SSG John Ossmann made Jan 9 at 2022 11:41 AM

SSG John Ossmann — Sun, 09 Jan 2022 11:41:43 -0500

Leave no doubt about it, you are a veteran. I served 16+ years and never served a day in combat or a combat zone, but I'm also a veteran.

Assuming you served honorably and met the terms of your enlistment, you don't owe anyone any answers. But I normally answer these types of questions by stating there are different categories of veteran, and some are entitled to more benefits than others.

Anytime someone says something I think is stupid, I simply consider the source. And when it comes to the military, many civilians don't know what the fruit they are talking about.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Jan 14 at 2022 5:56 PM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 17:56:43 -0500

Within the Military as We all know the needs of the service come first and You will be used where they need You. Not a problem any of those that served within the Armed Forces ever had no matter where that service took us it was needed and performed. ALL of it is important. I did serve in theater in Vietnam during 1968-69, which I proud of but equally as proud of the rest of My service. There were other conflicts during my time I wasn't there in the war zone but still did the job that was expected of Me something We all did. My fellow Veterans are ALL the people that served in uniform within the structure of the United States Armed Forces and served while others who NEVER wore the Uniform were no where to be found. Each and every one of You as My fellow Veteran's take pride in You service and I thank You for Your contribution into any area that that service was performed. My salute to ALL of You.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jan 14 at 2022 6:12 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Fri, 14 Jan 2022 18:12:19 -0500

Just say it was not your time and place. It's just how it is sometimes.

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Jan 15 at 2022 11:23 AM

SPC Lyle Montgomery — Sat, 15 Jan 2022 11:23:31 -0500

I am a combat from the Vietnam era. I respect all who served. It makes no difference if you were deployed or not. Any Army soldier or Marine can be called up to be infantry at any time. How would it work if the actual infantry didn't have the support from non infantry people both stateside and in war zones. It wouldn't work at all. Anyone who took the oath and served deserves our support. They are most definately veterans and I respect them all.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jan 15 at 2022 12:57 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sat, 15 Jan 2022 12:57:10 -0500

If I was confronted with an asshole who keeps badgering me, I will be comfortable to say, "You sir can f@ck off and die."

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Jan 15 at 2022 3:40 PM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Sat, 15 Jan 2022 15:40:23 -0500

You put on the uniform, readied yourself, and was ready to serve. Just because you or your unit were not deployed is not your fault. Back in the old days of Viet Nam, I had a friend who joined the Navy, received training and spend three years in Hawaii. I also had an Army buddy who spent his time, during Viet Nam, in Germany.

Response by SSgt Judy L made Jan 15 at 2022 5:39 PM

SSgt Judy L — Sat, 15 Jan 2022 17:39:20 -0500

And imagine being a female vet that has been on the front lines being told she’s not a real vet. We are all real vets. And it’s not just he it is she too and always has been.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Jan 15 at 2022 7:20 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Sat, 15 Jan 2022 19:20:31 -0500

I want to say "pimp-slap them with the backside of your hand", but that may get you into trouble you don't want. So I'll tell you this: YOU volunteered to do something they're probably still very afraid to do. While you probably have a lot of technical expertise in your given field, you probably don't have the experience to execute the mission in your given field to the best of your ability. But THAT doesn't lessen the importance of what you've done in your military career thus far! You ARE SERVING your country, doing more than what the average person would do here! Be proud of what you've accomplished so far and let their opinions fly away because unless they've been where you are, they will never truly understand.

Response by SSG Bill McCoy made Jan 16 at 2022 6:05 PM

SSG Bill McCoy — Sun, 16 Jan 2022 18:05:26 -0500

Not literally speaking, but, "piss ont hem." A service member's value has nothing to do with whether or not they have deployed. A clerk stateside is just as valuable and important as a grunt in an infantry unit. Don't EVER let yourself feel down over this bull crap. EVERY soldier's service is important.
As for any civilian who thinks yoour not a veteran because you never deployed ... what do they even know about it? I'd just laugh at them.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2022 10:18 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Jan 2022 10:18:00 -0500

I would look at that person and if they have never served, disregard what they have to say about you serving. Remember, "Some gave much and some gave all." Be proud of serving your country and ignore those who have not when they try to put you down for not deploying. You served in the capacity which the U.S. Army ordered you to.

Response by SSG Harry Herres made Feb 7 at 2022 4:27 PM

SSG Harry Herres — Mon, 07 Feb 2022 16:27:32 -0500

#1 you are a vet. #2 look them in the eye and ask them. Have you served? Have you ever signed a check to protect America to include your life. You are a welcomed member as a VET! You can live with it with pride.

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Feb 7 at 2022 4:40 PM

Sgt Dale Briggs — Mon, 07 Feb 2022 16:40:09 -0500

You signed the paperwork took an oath, what the Army decides to do with you is beyond your control sometimes, and it’s most certainly MOS dependent. Most civilians are ignorant about the military probably watch too many movies. For those who didn’t take the oath they might STFU. Not everyone carries a rifle, I can’t guess what the percentage of the Corps carry an 03 MOS.

Response by SSG Ken Potts made Feb 24 at 2022 9:23 PM

SSG Ken Potts — Thu, 24 Feb 2022 21:23:55 -0500

It depends on when you were in. It's not your fault if your unit didn't get deployed. However, if they did and you didn't deploy with them, I have nothing good to say.

Response by SGT John Ball made Mar 1 at 2022 9:45 AM

SGT John Ball — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 09:45:45 -0500

That's where that sneaky needs of the Army comes into play. To hell with that guy, you are every much a veteran as that one troop who went to Iraq or Afghanistan. Chin up and carry on my friend.

Response by MSgt Manuel Smith made Mar 5 at 2022 7:14 PM

MSgt Manuel Smith — Sat, 05 Mar 2022 19:14:17 -0500

If you served honorably and got discharged honorably, you did your duty to this nation. No need to feel awkward or strange about ignorant comment from someone who don't understand how the military works.

Response by COL John Kuykendall made Mar 7 at 2022 12:35 AM

COL John Kuykendall — Mon, 07 Mar 2022 00:35:56 -0500

I would tell them the rules of becoming a vet. The family Absences when you are on a mission sub for 3 months or sitting in a hole at a missle silo in case of immense war started

Response by SPC Charles Nesbitt made Mar 10 at 2022 9:18 PM

SPC Charles Nesbitt — Thu, 10 Mar 2022 21:18:23 -0500

You served in the US and are still a vet. No one can take that from you.

Response by CMDCM Bev Brennan made Mar 11 at 2022 4:32 PM

CMDCM Bev Brennan — Fri, 11 Mar 2022 16:32:31 -0500

First of all, unless you went out of your way to avoid deployment, you have nothing to be ashamed of. You did what those civilians didn't, you signed up and served your country, knowing at any time you could be sent in harms way. I'd have been tempted to throw the question right back to him and I applaud you for your restraint.
I came in in 1970 and women weren't allowed to deploy, be on ships, go to overseas shore duty unless they were 21, etc. We couldn't even wear slacks until 1975. I had a plaque made for my desk that said "We also serve who sit and type". It wasn't until 1990, when I had 20 years in, that the ban on women at sea was lifted.
So I understand your frustration. Women faced the same questions from people outside the ranks who just didn't understand it wasn't our choice, it was just the way it was. I assume you gave us 3 years of honorable service. Be proud of that. Hold your head high and move on. Respect.

Response by SFC Alberto Estrella made Mar 12 at 2022 12:21 AM

SFC Alberto Estrella — Sat, 12 Mar 2022 00:21:44 -0500

Honestly. Who gives a fuck what they think. You don't have to ask yourself what you were willing to do that they/them/whomever weren't cause you already know. You don't owe anybody anything. You answer only to yourself in that regard. If you feel that you have not earned that status then get back in and earn it for your self. If it's not something you feel you need to do and are just fine with it then who cares what anybody else thinks. You volunteered yourself for three years and if others don't like it let them show you how it's done them they can go f themselves. In 1994 I enlisted for 4 years in the longest 4 years of my life I retired in 2014 after 20. It doesn't make me more of less of a veteran I am simply like you a veteran. Fckem.

Response by SFC William Linnell made Mar 12 at 2022 9:11 AM

SFC William Linnell — Sat, 12 Mar 2022 09:11:05 -0500

WOW. I didn't realize the date on this was so long ago. I would NOT worry about it. You don't have to clarify or justify your service time. Not too many Soldier served in combat or a combat theater of operations. Case in point.

Had a SFC that showed up in my unit in Germany. He never went to Desert Storm. He made it up to the ranks of 1SG, SGM and CSM. He was stationed at Knox for ever. He was part of the good old boy group. They "PCSd" him from one unit to another while at Knox. He was our BN CSM during the first 4 years of this last war. Then he "PCSd" again to become the NCO Schools Commandant.

I had a couple buddies that were BNOC instructors. The next class came in and the CSM was briefing them about rotating from their combat units to become DS, Recruiting or an Instructor so to give other Soldiers a break from multiple tours of combat. Q n A time. A young SSG asked the CSM, who explained how he completed 3 tours already asking how the CSM can talk about breaks in going to combat and the stresses of it when he doesn't even have a combat patch.

So...I would NOT worry about it. You served. Those who are questioning you, what did they do? I bet you'll get a bunch of the "I almost joined" "I'd bunch a DS in the face they get into my face". Just smile and walk away.

Response by SPC Wendy Dunn made Mar 12 at 2022 9:30 AM

SPC Wendy Dunn — Sat, 12 Mar 2022 09:30:04 -0500

I have been asked the same question and also how I can be 100% disabled totally and permanently without deploying. I have also had other veterans tell me I shouldn't receive anything because I never saw combat. My answer: Yes you saw combat and was injured by the enemy, I would find that a lot easier to handle then having been injured by my own comrades as I was. I served 4 and 1/2 years honorably and left the Army quite beat up. Anyone who has served whether deployed or not as long as they are discharged honorably are and always will be a VETERAN. If we were asked to deploy we would have immediately and given our all. Hold your head up high and never wonder. Thank you for your service

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Mar 12 at 2022 9:58 AM

LTC Ray Buenteo — Sat, 12 Mar 2022 09:58:00 -0500

What does it matter? We all get judged by idiots at least one time in our lives. The same people who promoted abortion during the 60s and 70s called service members they didn’t even know “baby killers.” Go figure. I deployed 3 times and people keep thanking me for My service. In my mind I did nothing that benefited america. We have had and still have a sitting President that never served yet is commander and chief of the military . It’s fricken crazy. Some service members who deployed multiple times think themselves more accomplished than some who deployed less. Some don’t care. People go figure.

Response by MAJ Steve Warnerski made Mar 12 at 2022 3:13 PM

MAJ Steve Warnerski — Sat, 12 Mar 2022 15:13:17 -0500

General Eisenhower never served in a combat zone until he was a general officer, because he was needed in CONUS more than he was needed in France during WWI. BL: The ARMY determines where you go...not you. And I'd tell that "someone" to suck on something...

Response by SGT Charles Whited made Mar 12 at 2022 10:35 PM

SGT Charles Whited — Sat, 12 Mar 2022 22:35:58 -0500

Just value your sevice and sacifice. Thank those that see that.

Response by SGT Charles Whited made Mar 12 at 2022 10:47 PM

SGT Charles Whited — Sat, 12 Mar 2022 22:47:27 -0500

Thank you for your sacrfices.

Response by Cpl Jim Tubridy made Mar 14 at 2022 2:31 PM

Cpl Jim Tubridy — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 14:31:45 -0400

I love when civilians pass judgment on us from a place of total ignorance. I deployed to Japan as a USMC Airwinger during the Cold War. Never saw combat, but supported recon squadrons keeping an eye on the Soviets, China, and N Korea. I’ve never doubted my Veteran status but had a fraternity brother question it. Suffice to say, his spoiled ass got an earful of education that day and he’ll never question a Veteran’s status again. You committed your life to this country when must never do, so they’ll never understand. Fun story: the poet laureate for Biden’s inauguration had just finished and the commentator said she’s just 23 years old. My wife said, “23?! What were you doing at 23??” I gave her a couple seconds, then said, “Defending my country.” Her, “Yeah, bad example.”

Response by SN William Culotta made Mar 19 at 2022 6:16 PM

SN William Culotta — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 18:16:14 -0400

The hell with them. You did your obligation period

Response by SP5 William Jones made Mar 23 at 2022 8:26 PM

SP5 William Jones — Wed, 23 Mar 2022 20:26:31 -0400

So what???
You got paid, didn't you?

Response by PO2 Jamie Lawson made Mar 23 at 2022 10:10 PM

PO2 Jamie Lawson — Wed, 23 Mar 2022 22:10:20 -0400

Don't even reply to idiots like that, I can only imagine what type of person that would stoop so low to say that to anyone who wears or have worn the uniform. No doubt one of the woke crowd that was too cowardly to serve themselves. Be proud of your service, many who have served never deployed.

Response by SPC Dennis Sneed made Mar 23 at 2022 10:36 PM

SPC Dennis Sneed — Wed, 23 Mar 2022 22:36:18 -0400

I served during the Cold War, and while I sometimes may have a twinge of feeling that way, i remind myself that I signed on the dotted line to make the commitment that some won't. You got nothing to be ashamed of, you supported the overall effort. You served--they didn't, I'm just an old 71g, medical records clerk, they don't have the right to say you're not a veteran. I wouldn't give these***** the satisfaction, brother.

Response by SPC Dennis Sneed made Mar 23 at 2022 11:09 PM

SPC Dennis Sneed — Wed, 23 Mar 2022 23:09:32 -0400

I've answered elsewhere but my short answer is I wouldn't give these p***ks rhe satisfaction of questioning my military service because 9 out of 10, they didn't serve or else they wouldn't be asking that question to begin with. You served, you supported the mission in whatever capacity. And that's all they're entitled to know, at your discretion.

Response by SPC Helena Wallace made Mar 24 at 2022 12:11 AM

SPC Helena Wallace — Thu, 24 Mar 2022 00:11:38 -0400

My husband and son both were deployed but for me no I didn’t deploy. I have always felt that I was beneath them and everyone else that deployed. One day we got on the subject and when I told them the way I have felt; they both corrected me! They both were okay, you joined the military serving our Country honorably and were ready to deploy at anytime and almost did a few times. How many civilians would actually do the same that are your age and never served, be willing to drop everything right now and be willing to go defend our country? When I thought and replied, none or they would have before now since we are in our early 60’s. Then they asked, what would you do? I said immediately, I would leave everything as it lay and head out to defend our Country. They were like, exactly. Always and forever a military veteran, not just in words but in action as well. My husband was in Vietnam, didn’t retire, ETS’ed and our son served 22 years and spent 3/4’s of his time deployed. He retired 1 1/2 years ago. They both agreed that they would be my battle buddy if it ever became necessary no matter the age, always willing and ready to defend my (our)Country. The two of them are just as proud of me as I am them. While they have made me feel worthy of being a military veteran; everyone that served and deployed are forever in my heart! I am proud to be in the same “family “ a Military Veteran! Thank you to all of my “sisters and brothers.” God Bless

Response by MAJ Gregory Moon made Mar 24 at 2022 10:00 AM

MAJ Gregory Moon — Thu, 24 Mar 2022 10:00:48 -0400

You served big Army didn't send you anyplace that's the crazy crapshoot that life is and congress wrote the rules. The civilian was speaking out of his butt. I was on active duty for 10 years and didn't get deployed. Not until desert storm when the NDSM qualifying dates were changed I was not a "veteran". I had a trainee from my basic training company who left ended up in the Persian Gulf and came back with a combat patch in 6 months. I had almost 10 years. Your status as a veteran is a matter of law you serve during the times outlined and you get an NDSM. The law doesn't say where. Understand you put yourself out there when 98-99% of the country didn't. Just walk away from butts like that.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Mar 24 at 2022 2:08 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Thu, 24 Mar 2022 14:08:39 -0400

First Find Out IF They Ever Served..
Then, Is So, "Where Were You Stationed And What Was Your Job.".?....
If They're Civilians & Have n't Served, It's... " Ya Know What.? I Don't Recall Seeing You Anywhere Around At That Time...In Canada, Were You"?...

Response by SPC Rosario Olgin Aleman-Crawford made Mar 24 at 2022 7:10 PM

SPC Rosario Olgin Aleman-Crawford — Thu, 24 Mar 2022 19:10:28 -0400

Don’t worry about because civilians don’t know how it’s like to be soldier easy question to ask a soldier by say that but flip it around and ask them the same questions ( examples) have you been in military? Have ever been a
Soldier do have any idea what it’s like? Of course they answer No and they you can take charge and tell when you serve in military you know all the answers to your questions and smile and salute them goodbye and feel your worthy of being a Soldier like no other you best because you step up to plate . Now with this said stand tall and feel your are worthy of Thank You for serving and they didn’t. It’s the best in you that makes you who you are an individual like no other a SOLDIER for life.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 25 at 2022 7:56 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Mar 2022 07:56:56 -0400

First, ask him where he deployed. Second, what where the circumstances that led up to this? Third, while you didn't deploy you where ready to, and very well could have. I'm not sure of active duty protocols, but the National Guard maintains a list of those that want to volunteer for deployment. This is in addition to your unit being called up. It makes it easier when a unit being deployed needs soldiers of a particular MOS to meet optimal strength, and even over strength goals. I know a few who have volunteered two or three times and been deployed with different units. One of the medics I served with volunteered immediately after getting home, and was sent. If you're still in, or have the ability to reenlist, this may be an option if you feel a deployment will help you. Otherwise, you did everything in your power to make your self available and that is worthy of respect.
I will add to this that we, as service members, also need to remember that our service doesn't make us better then anyone else. There are many, who for numerous reasons, aren't able to join. And those who elect to serve others in many other ways. There is are many who fight unseen battles that require more courage then facing death in battle. What gives us value as human beings is what we each, individually do to help and lift others with in the scope of our capacity.

Response by Sgt Chas Coleman made Mar 25 at 2022 8:28 AM

Sgt Chas Coleman — Fri, 25 Mar 2022 08:28:37 -0400

The military is a choice to serve and follow orders which can be from unpredictable and harsh to boring and repetitive. Those who think its all risk and death are simply stupid and can be treated like the children they are, thanks in part to us, those who took responsibility for our country and them. Give them a chance to understand and if they don't or you don't wish to educate a simpler, lazier mind (given the info out there on the web, a little reading should have put them straight) then move on. You did the job, they didn't and any emotion they bring is jealousy on their part that they couldn't make the choice to serve you did.

Response by SFC John Gilmore made Mar 25 at 2022 8:59 AM

SFC John Gilmore — Fri, 25 Mar 2022 08:59:09 -0400

Whether you deployed or not is immaterial. When you raised your right hand and took the oath to "support and defend the Constitution"... you were saying: "Hey Uncle Sam, here's a blank check for everything up to and including my life if that is what is required of me." To put it in the words of a Marine MOH recipient in WW2: "You can take my life, but you can't take my Country or my freedom". You are part of a chosen and elite few... you are a veteran of the Armed Forces of the United States of America... don't ever let ANYONE demean or take that away from you. You earned it. Thus endeth the sermon...

Response by TSgt Ken Vandevoort made Mar 25 at 2022 5:17 PM

TSgt Ken Vandevoort — Fri, 25 Mar 2022 17:17:39 -0400

I was in a different situation. It was a job interview where I was being interviewed by an entire volunteer board of directors. By that time, I figured out that it was a setup interview to make things look good for the board and they already had selected their candidate. When discussing military service, I was asked, "Was what you did important?" My response was, "You are still here." I didn't ask them if they knew what failsafe was and what radio operators did as a part of it. The winning job candidate was announced in the newspaper before I received the reject letter. The only board member that asked an intelligent question later gave me a job in his factory.

Response by SSG James Knopp made Mar 26 at 2022 12:19 AM

SSG James Knopp — Sat, 26 Mar 2022 00:19:05 -0400

First, don’t feel ashamed of not being deployed. Whoever the dipstick was asking and telling you that your basically not worthy of being a veteran needs to do some soul searching as to why “they” never raised their right hand for their country. The problem with a lot of this “millennial society” is they think they are “entitled” and above the ranks of those who are willing to join the military in defense of our country. It’s being “politically correct” and bending to “counter culture” is what is going to bring down this democracy. That’s where that idiot is probably coming from.
Look, I served with the 101st Airborne, went to Jump School, then to Ranger School, AeroScout School. I was a mechanic on a Cobra, a Huey, an OH-6 and and OH-58. I became an Army Medic then went to Flight Medic School, and lastly a SERE instructor.
All of this training was to prepare me in case I was ever deployed to a combat zone. There were no wars to fight until after my retirement which leaves me to ponder was all that worth it? I’m still as much of a proud veteran as anyone who has been deployed and I probably have done more with my military career then most of the veterans who have deployed. I did two round outs during OIF, but that was after retirement as a “contractor”. So, thump your chest, be proud you served and ask them to step aside. Where else can you fire machine guns and throw grenades and get paid for it.
Lastly, I had an uncle killed on D-Day in Normandy and sometime wonder if it was “divine intervention” that I never had that experience.

Response by Cpl Gunner Stout made Mar 26 at 2022 3:50 AM

Cpl Gunner Stout — Sat, 26 Mar 2022 03:50:54 -0400

You volunteered your time, your service, and your life if necessary - Uncle Sam decides where and when you go and what you do when you get there. As one who served at the point of the spear, I would have been all but useless (and certainly dead) if not for the ones "back in the world" doing what they do to to "hold down the fort" and get us the stuff we needed to do what uncle sent us to do. You were as essential to the cause as the troops that deployed, in some cases perhaps more so. If you weren't there, "in the rear with the gear" handling the logistics or just standing by, at the very least someone who did deploy would have had to stay behind and do your job.
So, the proper response would have been "I was serving the troops who were tapped to go, that's what the brass decided. Did you deploy?" If he says "yes", just say "Your welcome for all the stuff we got you so you could do your job." If he says "no" then just grimace and tell him to "f.. off". If you served honorably you are a military veteran, if during a combat period, you are a war veteran. Anyone with a different opinion is not intelligent enough to warrant your caring what they think. S/F..

Response by Cpl Tammy Hooper made Mar 26 at 2022 6:56 AM

Cpl Tammy Hooper — Sat, 26 Mar 2022 06:56:43 -0400

That tells me he never even served. Those that count, your fellow service members, know the contribution you made.

Response by Cpl Ernest Thomas made Mar 26 at 2022 10:20 AM

Cpl Ernest Thomas — Sat, 26 Mar 2022 10:20:51 -0400

Ima give the simplest and easiest answer. FUCK THEM!!!

Response by PVT Mark Whitcomb made Mar 26 at 2022 10:52 AM

PVT Mark Whitcomb — Sat, 26 Mar 2022 10:52:02 -0400

The first question people ask me is what war did you serve in? As if we are always at war. I served during the cold war. We were all ready to defend our Country regardless. The fact is we stood up for that service and they didn't. Just because you don't have the campaign ribbon doesn't mean you didn't serve honorably.

Response by SPC Julio R. made Mar 26 at 2022 5:47 PM

SPC Julio R. — Sat, 26 Mar 2022 17:47:03 -0400

FIRST AND FOREMOST F THAT/THOSE CIVILIAN(S) POS.
SECOND THEY ALL CAN KISS YOUR BUTT. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO PROVE TO THEM. YOU DID YOU BID FOR KING AND COUNTRY AS I LIKE TO SAY AT TIMES...
THIRD YOU GOT HAVE NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED ABOUT. HOLD YOUR HEAD UP HIGH. YOU RAISED YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SIGNED ON THE DOTTED LINE. YOU SERVED YOUR COUNTRY HERO, SO THEY CAN GO HAVE A FLYING F DAY AND YOU GO BOUT 'YO BIDNESS.

I WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
"DID THAT POS FATTY CAKE EATING LATTE GRANDE SIPPIN SHT STAINED DRAWS HAVING YELLOW-BELLIED COWARD SERVE HIS COUNTRY?"
HONESTLY YOU DON'T HAVE TO "SEE COMBAT" TO CHECK THE BOX OF VETERANS. THERE IS A MULTITUDE OF THINGS THAT TAKE PLACE IN ORDER TO EARN THE TITLE OF VETERAN. COMBAT

VETERAN(S), DISABLED COMBAT VETERAN(S), DISABLED VETERAN(S), VETERAN(S)...
ONE IN THE SAME MY BROTHER OR SISTER OR PRONOUN...
I WILL ALWAYS HAVE YOUR SIX AND ALL YOU OTHER VETERAN BRANCHES TOO BOOT. ONE BIG HAPPY DYSFUNCTIONAL YET FUNCTIONAL FAMILY.
WE ARE NOT PERFECT BUT WHEN IT COMES TO US WE ARE A SPECIAL BREED AND THAT CIVILIAN OR THOSE OF THAT NATURE DON'T DESERVE OUR SECOND-GUESSING OF OUR SERVICE. UNLESS YOU WERE A BLUE FALCON CHEESE D THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BEAT YOURSELF UP ABOUT.
AS YOU WERE SPC... CARRY ON....

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Mar 26 at 2022 7:00 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Sat, 26 Mar 2022 19:00:54 -0400

I Wasn't Deployed Into A Combat Zone, And I've Always Felt Rather Uncomfortable And Guilty For It.
I'd Returned To The States From Living In Panama With The Intentions Of Joining And Heading Out To Vietnam...
I Was Totally Shocked To Be Assigned To A Security Position In SAC for 3 Years And 1 Year In South Korea.. OSAN AFB......
Both Were Cake Walks.. South, Korea Was A Vacation Spot... The Nations Did The Work While We "Supervised" Them... In Other Words, We Sat On Our Axxes, Accomplishing Nothing....ABSOLUTELY The Total Reverse Of Why I Returned From Central America.
When Individuals Thank Me For My Service, I Almost Want To Choke...I Feel Embarrassed...

Response by SP5 Andy G. made Mar 26 at 2022 9:18 PM

SP5 Andy G. — Sat, 26 Mar 2022 21:18:30 -0400

Taking the oath to defend the US against all enemies, foreign and domestic, is lifetime. Just tell the civi that you STILL serve as a trained military veteran, and you will act to preserve their right to protest, free speech, and even to protect his/her family if the US ever faces a Ukraine crisis - and you DON'T want to be thanked.

Response by SGT Judy Pomrenke made Mar 27 at 2022 12:37 AM

SGT Judy Pomrenke — Sun, 27 Mar 2022 00:37:57 -0400

You should simple state there are many parts involved to keep this country safe or in keeping other countries safe. I'm just on small wheel. So all the others are able to keep turning and keeping all safe. With out joint effects things couldn't be able to move forward and
accomplishments seen by the people . God bless

Response by Sgt Rich Lambert made Mar 27 at 2022 9:10 AM

Sgt Rich Lambert — Sun, 27 Mar 2022 09:10:07 -0400

I know some fellow Marines who feel less than me cause I went to Nam and they never had to serve in a combat zone.
I tell them this story.
So about 50 years ago a bunch of us are in the garage drinking beer and telling "stories" and the wives are in the house talking.
My wife comes out and says "I have a question to ask" . What do you call a person that goes into the service"?
I said a veteran.
She says no, no, what do you call a person that goes into the service and never goes to war?
I asked, "What do you call a person who goes into the service and never goes to war? Yes, she said.
I looked straight at everyone and said. LUCKY!!
The guys looked at me, started to chuckle. We raised our glasses in acknowledgement and went back to what we were doing.
BOTTOM LINE! we all served and "paid our dues" like all before us and those who come after.
Stand tall and carry on.
Semper FI !!

Response by CH (CPT) Antonio Arnold made Mar 27 at 2022 9:42 AM

CH (CPT) Antonio Arnold — Sun, 27 Mar 2022 09:42:50 -0400

I served over 18.6 years and never deployed outside the United States of America. Nether the less, jump status, mobilized for deployment and the war was over, volunteer for downrange and was your new unit say you must reclass first, sent to perform humanity operation for homeland and training operations in the end. I done my part to continue my command seccess and readiness. DD214 in hand and no regrets. Glad to serve my country. You took an oath so not to worry civilians watching too much television and movies. Thank you for your service.

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2022 12:36 PM

LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Mar 2022 12:36:25 -0400

You are a veteran, not a combat veteran but neither are the majority of military members. You are also like every other member of the military very valuable and appreciated for joining. I am speaking from a recruiting standpoint. In 2017 there were about 34 million 17-24 year olds the age at which most people join the military. 71 percent were ineligible to join for varying reasons such as obesity, education criminal record and health problems. You then joined and completed your contract (not everyone that joins completes training and they leaves early). All jobs have to be filled not everyone is going to be an action hero. So thank you for your service and be proud of your service.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Mar 27 at 2022 1:30 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Sun, 27 Mar 2022 13:30:02 -0400

There's a number of Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors, and Marines who have never deployed. But that doesn't take away from the importance of their military service. Moreover, the opinion of a civilian who questions your sacrifice WHO HAS NEVER SERVED is irrelevant. Added that last part just in case.

Response by MSgt Ed Larson made Mar 27 at 2022 4:03 PM

MSgt Ed Larson — Sun, 27 Mar 2022 16:03:52 -0400

Screw them you went where the Army sent you.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2022 4:11 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Mar 2022 16:11:03 -0400

First of all I suggest you banish the thought that you didn't even serve your country. Because you did! You took the oath, you put on the uniform and you were prepared to go where ordered. As to responding to such a comment/question from someone who never served, I don't think a response is deserved. After my 30 months of active duty in Germany (I guess I was deployed) I was assigned to the active reserve. While I was a company commander in the USAR one of my platoon sergeants called my troops a bunch of draft dodgers. I fired him. Why? Because he disparaged troops that took the oath, wore the uniform and obeyed orders. I personally believe the draft dodgers were those who went to Canada to avoid the draft. I also have heart burn today with those who do not register with the selective service at age 18 as they are required to do by law. And out esteemed government does nothing about it. I hope this comment helps. You are a veteran who volunteered to serve (among the 1% or 2%). Thank you and I salute you and your service.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2022 4:12 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Mar 2022 16:12:21 -0400

First of all I suggest you banish the thought that you didn't even serve your country. Because you did! You took the oath, you put on the uniform and you were prepared to go where ordered. As to responding to such a comment/question from someone who never served, I don't think a response is deserved. After my 30 months of active duty in Germany (I guess I was deployed) I was assigned to the active reserve. While I was a company commander in the USAR one of my platoon sergeants called my troops a bunch of draft dodgers. I fired him. Why? Because he disparaged troops that took the oath, wore the uniform and obeyed orders. I personally believe the draft dodgers were those who went to Canada to avoid the draft. I also have heart burn today with those who do not register with the selective service at age 18 as they are required to do by law. And our esteemed government does nothing about it. I hope this comment helps. You are a veteran who volunteered to serve (among the 1% or 2%). Thank you and I salute you and your service.

Response by SGM Major Stroupe made Mar 27 at 2022 7:21 PM

SGM Major Stroupe — Sun, 27 Mar 2022 19:21:10 -0400

Civilians usually don't understand the sacrifices of military service whether or not we served in combat. We all trained for war and put in the time and sacrifices just as any other soldier. The fact is that when we go to war in the military, we support those wartime operations in so many other ways that it's almost impossible to describe. Bottom line is: if you served our country in military service you have probably sacrificed more than most just by completing your training and service honorably. No other explanation needed.

Response by Sgt Russ Brayton made Mar 27 at 2022 8:35 PM

Sgt Russ Brayton — Sun, 27 Mar 2022 20:35:43 -0400

I was a Marine during Vietnam. My kid had a friend who was Army then and he was in country. I never was. I told him it made me uncomfortable around him having never gone to Vietnam. He asked if I was ver told to go. I told him I was not. So you obeyed your orders? Yes. Great. Because of you and others like you, I had a place to come back to. Thank you for your service…
He just died last week. I am very grateful for his insight, as I felt much like you.
Thank you for your service!

Response by SPC David Paine made Mar 27 at 2022 8:50 PM

SPC David Paine — Sun, 27 Mar 2022 20:50:14 -0400

I would tell them, Where did you serve? Did you even sign a contract? Well Mister I signed a contract and gave _?_ years of my life to deploy anywhere in the world in _?_ amount of time (mine was 18 hours), I trained day after day sometimes Day and night three weeks at a time so that you're un~happy azz could live free day after day night after night with out Coercion, tyranny or the fear of Death at anytime in you're sorry azz life. I stood my post waiting for the call to deploy, because it never happened is only by the grace of God, war is HELL mister, but I stood ready gear in hand, I would have gone in a moments notice, with out people like me we wouldn't have the great America we have now, we would be living like Venezuela, Cuba, or even Russia, Did you serve?? NO? lucky for me the powers to be are smarter than you, So back off pal...

Response by LTC Martin Metz made Mar 27 at 2022 9:12 PM

LTC Martin Metz — Sun, 27 Mar 2022 21:12:03 -0400

Don't let it get under your skin !!! That civilian would probably have questioned you no matter what you said. You raised your hand to enlist. You trained in your MOS and prepared to be deployed if the call came. That's a hell of a lot more than that civilian did who was trying to needle you. I served served 32 of my 37 years mostly as a Cold War soldier without deploying. I did spend a year in Korea and 3 in Germany, but not in combat. Only training for combat. It wasn't until I was 55 that I had a chance to deploy for OIF in 2006. Those years previously weren't wasted and I had a chance to work with a lot of good folks....some of whom never deployed either. That's fine. You volunteered without reservation, you served without incident, you did more in three years to serve your country than most civilians do in an entire lifetime. You deserve far more respect than you were rendered.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2022 11:26 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Mar 2022 23:26:31 -0400

Ask them if they are willing to go to a recruiters office and sign the dotted line right then and there. If they say “no”, tell them that they can fuck off. If they say “yes” give them a ride to the nearest recruiter, and if they back out, give them shit for it. 99.999% of the time, they will say “no”, get flustered and embarrassed, and quickly make themselves disappear.

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Mar 28 at 2022 8:27 AM

SGT Jeff Everhart — Mon, 28 Mar 2022 08:27:14 -0400

Tell them to go f themselves!

Response by SFC Marshal Gleason made Mar 28 at 2022 10:10 AM

SFC Marshal Gleason — Mon, 28 Mar 2022 10:10:16 -0400

For the uneducated in the ways of the military, I explain it like this. There is two types in the military, the warfighter and the support staff. The warfighters are just that, they defend or assault the enemy wherever that might be. Then there is the support staff, who may be stateside or right next to the warfighter in whatever shithole needs our help.

Support staff may never see combat but still have a vital mission of caring for the warfighter. Either medical, ammo, transportation, food and anything else that helps the warfighter complete their mission. Support staff may have to fire their weapon at the enemy at some point but that's not their mission. Hell, they may never deploy to a combat theater. But, without the support staff, the warfighter cannot do their job.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 28 at 2022 11:24 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Mar 2022 11:24:44 -0400

The real question you are asking is , how do you explain it to the person you see on the mirror?
TBH anyone else doesn’t really matter

Response by Robyn Morrow made Mar 28 at 2022 11:27 AM

Robyn Morrow — Mon, 28 Mar 2022 11:27:13 -0400

My son didn’t deploy either. I will tell you what I tell him. God had other plans for you. It wasn’t an action he wanted you to participate in at the time you served. You are a Veteran! You served! If civilians are to stupid to realize and question your choice. Then say i sacrificed my time and my time with your family because I chose to defend our country.. then say to the civilian “What did you do to protect our freedoms from foreign lands? “ then walk away. You don’t have to explain yourself to another person. Your life’s path is what you chose and you don’t have explain to anyone why. You are a Veteran be proud! I am proud you served and thank you for your service.

Response by PO3 Paul Roth made Mar 28 at 2022 11:52 AM

PO3 Paul Roth — Mon, 28 Mar 2022 11:52:51 -0400

I would look at him straight to his face and ask what branch he was in. You joined and know the cost it could have been to be deployed. You stood a line that he didn’t. You were fixing tanks! I don’t know if you were in a training command or not but something that you did effected the mission. If it be you trained someone that went over or fixed a tank that went you served. Society needs to remember that they have there freedom because of our service and commitment. The men and women fighting on the line would have nothing if it were not for the troops back home supporting them. So next time you get this type of flak just ask where they served and when they say they didn’t just smile and say F off.

Response by SGT Jeff Long made Mar 28 at 2022 6:44 PM

SGT Jeff Long — Mon, 28 Mar 2022 18:44:59 -0400

Welcome to America, man. It is these people you now serve. An opinion is just another freedom we fight/have fought to protect. I think the real problem is a “holier than thou” attitude because those who do not serve may not be physically or mentally competent to do so. I do not recommend burning bridges with anyone who hurts your pride because these are the same people that cause backlogs in the disability claim process.

Response by SrA Michael Webster made Mar 28 at 2022 7:25 PM

SrA Michael Webster — Mon, 28 Mar 2022 19:25:25 -0400

Some time ago someone overheard me talking about my military experience. They came up and asked me what war I was in. I replied, "The Cold War".

"That's so lame. That was nothing."

I calmly, quietly retorted with:

"Ty chto mumu yebyosh."

"What's that?" they asked.

"It's Russian."

"I don't speak Russian.'

"You're welcome."

I had to come to terms with being a "peacetime veteran". I figured that if you put on the uniform, you served. Whether on an active battlefield, or on the bulwark standing watch, preparing for the day when the Oath taken at Enlistment will be cashed in.

YOU ARE A VETERAN.

Response by SFC Jerald Bottcher made Mar 28 at 2022 9:12 PM

SFC Jerald Bottcher — Mon, 28 Mar 2022 21:12:31 -0400

The same way I would respond (I was in until I retired, US Army, Field Artillery) I signed the papers. I volunteered to put my life on the line. I was more than willing to go. However my unit was not called (My division was slotted to be in the 2nd wave during Desert Storm) but the conflict was over before we could be called. If someone were to make the same statement to me I would respond that who the "F" are they to even think like that. Because I was in the unit I was in, my sister unit was able to be there. When you join, you do not get to choose where you go. But I put my name on the dotted line and was more than ready to go take my place in the line.
I still had to perform all of the same training, make most if not all of the same sacrifices of the wartime deployed soldier (and yes I was deployed overseas several times during my carreer). I was there.

Response by SFC Tracy Donahoo made Mar 29 at 2022 8:50 AM

SFC Tracy Donahoo — Tue, 29 Mar 2022 08:50:36 -0400

First off, you have to truly value your own service without combat deployment. That will solve nagging feelings.

Second, people like this don't merit a response. There will always be those that won't value your service unless you pulled the trigger on OBL and even then they will have a "yeah, but...".

Response by SSgt Frank Howarth made Mar 29 at 2022 10:32 AM

SSgt Frank Howarth — Tue, 29 Mar 2022 10:32:38 -0400

I, too, never deployed to a war zone; but there was a war and I served in support (1965-69) in Texas, -again in Texas, then Labrador and Arizona. Great experience and happy to serve! My country means so much to me. Back then so many simply would not volunteer; yet I was so proud to stand with those other young men as we were sworn to service and went to places we never thought we'd see.
And oh yeah, while in the USAF I met my wife of 52 wonderful years. So my service gained me two bounties: They taught me to type and sent me to Abilene TX where I met her.
To serve my country was a duty and a blessing!
USA USA USA !

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2022 12:26 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Mar 2022 12:26:41 -0400

SPC, I agree with all who have said you’re a vet. I’m very open that I didn’t see action but I was in direct support of those who did. That was my mission, my duty and my job. That was what was needed. I got the ribbon, patch but no CAB or CIB. You’re a veteran, not because of what you did but what you’re willing to do for your country and other service members. That’s really what separates us from the civilian population who haven’t served; we always feel we can do more. That’s what makes you a veteran, the willingness to do and do more for others. Hold your head high. Your are a Veteran and my Brother!

Response by A1C Howard Evans made Mar 29 at 2022 5:50 PM

A1C Howard Evans — Tue, 29 Mar 2022 17:50:54 -0400

Serving in the U.S. Armed Services means (1) you volunteered; (2) were susceptible to being deployed to any hostile place in the world at any time without notice; (3) could be detained beyond your original term of enlistment at the convenience of the Government.

Most civilians have no idea why you would agree to (1); they would never agree to (2); and the thought of being subject to (3) is impossible for a civilian to comprehend. Surely there is something in the Constitution and/or The Bill of Rights that prevents the implementation of (3)? Sorry, Charley (as goes a certain canned tuna fish commercial of my era), but all three points stated above are true. When you sign up and take the oath of enlistment, you explicitly agree to all three points.

Most folks who voluntarily enlist for a certain fixed term don't realize this is a MINIMUM obligation. Go read the oath of enlistment that you agree to before serving. I did four years in the Air Force as an active enlisted man from May 1963 to May 1967 and two more in the inactive reserves after separation. This was during the height of the Vietnam war, and if my particular specialty (323x0E) was ever in critical demand, the Air Force could have deployed me anywhere at any time for as long as someone of higher authority thought it was necessary. They can still do this at my age of 77, but I doubt this will happen. They didn't deploy me overseas to Vietnam because I was a flight-line mechanic servicing the defensive weapon system on the then state-of-the-art B-52H. The retention officer offered me an insane amount of bonus money to "re-up" but I didn't accept, and quietly departed Kincheloe AFB, MI, in May 1967 to become a civilian again (except for my two years obligation in the inactive reserves).

So, did I serve, even though I was never deployed? You bet your ass I served! I froze my butt off for three years working outside during the perpetual winters of the upper peninsula of Michigan. After almost a year of tech school at Lowry AFB in balmy Denver, CO, my final PCS (Permanent Change of Station) assignment was to Kincheloe AFB (now closed). I was just a small cog in the huge SAC (Strategic Air Command, since dismantled) machine that included the B-52 bomber fleet and a few thousand tons of ICBMs (Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles) in various silos buried underground in the Heartland of America.

All of us cogs were necessary to keep half of those planes flying fully armed airborne alert patrols, 24/7 around the clock, each bomber carrying two nuclear-armed Hound Dog cruise missiles close to the chest, with one on each wing next to the fuselage, and God knows how many more thermonuclear bombs inside the huge bomb bays... well, I saw them being loaded and unloaded, so I know, but I can't say how many I saw.

Just one B-52 can carry more instant destruction than ALL the bombs dropped during WWII, including the two little atomic bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And our Wing had about two dozen of them, half fully armed and waiting on the alert pad for orders to fly. And fly they did when General Curtis LeMay flew in for an unannounced ORI (Operational Readiness Inspection). Woe to the Wing Commander whose team failed an ORI. SAC took the responsibility for waging nuclear war very seriously.

The B-52H is a truly wondrous flying and fighting machine, still flying today after many upgrades, but now armed with "conventional" bombs instead of the thermonuclear variety. I expect it will still be flying when my grandchildren are old enough to serve, and I would be very proud to see them do so.

What do you say to those ignorant (and hopefully few) people who think a veteran should have been deployed to a war zone in order to be considered a veteran? You say nothing, proud that you served your three years, and thankful you left the service alive. They simply do not know what they are talking about, so not worth talking with in my opinion. Life is short, so remember to always eat dessert first and waste no time on conversations with ignorant fools.

Response by SPC Steve Jones made Mar 29 at 2022 6:57 PM

SPC Steve Jones — Tue, 29 Mar 2022 18:57:38 -0400

I served for 4 years, 1980-1984, under arguably one of the Greatest CIC's ever. I never deployed, i never even went over seas. I volunteered to serve my Country with Prideand enthusiasm, my Country fortunately didn't need my services that way, anybody with enough balls to look me in the eyes and ask " how are you even a Veteran " better be ready to hear the answer, if they continue with their stupidty they might be looking at my outreached hand waiting to help them stand back up.

We are Veterans because we had the balls to volunteer to give every measure for OUR Country, we are Veterans because we believe in helping those not able to stand up for themselves, we are Veterans because WE SERVED, you, my friend, are a veteran, Thank you for your service!!

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Mar 30 at 2022 1:24 AM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Wed, 30 Mar 2022 01:24:20 -0400

Just smile and ask them... "So, you enlisted when?" When they give you an excuse for why they did not, then say this..."Well, I volunteered to serve and I am not standing here looking at a veteran and trying to make up an excuse why I did not"

Response by Cpl Michael Gorman made Mar 30 at 2022 9:48 AM

Cpl Michael Gorman — Wed, 30 Mar 2022 09:48:56 -0400

I was a Marine for 10 years! Most of the time I was making sure that all of our equipment was always ready for Combat! A few times during the year we would go out and work in the field as it were during a combat situation! We might not have been shot at by the enemy! But every thing else was like battle situation!

Response by Cpl James Henderson made Mar 30 at 2022 11:34 AM

Cpl James Henderson — Wed, 30 Mar 2022 11:34:26 -0400

CPL J Henderson USMC

Sometimes these Keyboard rangers who tell you, you aren't a vet if insert some ridiculous bs, that you signed a paycheck that included giving your life what they think does not matter.

Ask them if they feel so inclined to give their opinion on the matter of what a veteran is to go their local recruiter station, pick a branch then go to MEPS and endure the 14 plus hour day to even be considered to be apart the 1% of the nations finest.
After her or she makes it past that graduates basic and serves their 90 days in fleet endures all the wonderful that is the military come on back until then keep it pushing they can pretend all day they have the courage you do.

Response by 1SG Steven Malkowski made Mar 30 at 2022 2:01 PM

1SG Steven Malkowski — Wed, 30 Mar 2022 14:01:48 -0400

First of all, if you got an Honorable Discharge and did your duty while in, you have no reason to explain yourself to anyone. Second, no amount of explaining will satisfy these armchair quarterbacks, so why waste your time. I understand your feelings. I spent three years in Germany (1977-80) during the height of the Cold War. We trained and were ready to fight if need be. I then spent the next thirty years in the National Guard and USAR. After 9/11 I volunteered for the first mission to come along. It was a peacekeeping mission with the MFO in Egypt. Not a combat deployment. I then volunteered to go to Afghanistan in 2008. Prior to deployment, I blew out my ACL and was knocked out of that tour. By then it was time to hang up the boots and retire in 2010. The point is, I never heard a shot fired in anger. I have feelings of regret sometimes that I didn't have the opportunity to go. Didn't get a combat patch or CIB. I trained myself and trained others who did go. I owe no one an explanation or have any reason to hang my head. I'm proud of my 33 years of faithful service, and so should you be of yours.

Response by SGT John Partridge made Mar 30 at 2022 2:55 PM

SGT John Partridge — Wed, 30 Mar 2022 14:55:23 -0400

This isn't anything new. It is, in fact, a situation that King David dealt with somewhere around 800 or 1000 BCE. So, in the event that the civilian ignoramus is a church going person (I hope not, but it happens), remind them that King David said, "The share of the man who stayed with the supplies is to be the same as that of him who went down to the battle. All will share alike.” (1 Samuel 30:24)

Response by SMSgt Bob Wade made Mar 31 at 2022 10:27 AM

SMSgt Bob Wade — Thu, 31 Mar 2022 10:27:04 -0400

Here's the short answer. You, by signing up, were willing to sacrifice your life for your country regardless of what your country decided to do with you as an asset. Without being rude, ask them if they had, or would have been willing to do the same. And, of course, when they emphatically state the would have, just turn away with a little uh-huh.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 31 at 2022 11:14 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Mar 2022 11:14:00 -0400

I never step on Irak and Afganistan, but in 30 years of service the Army gave me the opportunity to serve in other different places and missions, and my service was with proud to be representing my country, my NCO Creed, and Army`s vission. The important is to be ready at all times, no matter what the mission is.

Response by MSG Chuck Pewsey made Mar 31 at 2022 12:58 PM

MSG Chuck Pewsey — Thu, 31 Mar 2022 12:58:04 -0400

So you didn't deploy. You were subject to being told to drop everything and get on the airplane 24 hours a day, regardless of whether you were combat arms or not.

Response by MAJ Glenn Lasater made Mar 31 at 2022 10:08 PM

MAJ Glenn Lasater — Thu, 31 Mar 2022 22:08:41 -0400

No one who has never served has the right to question a veteran's service because they haven't earned that right. Personally, a civilian who has the audacity to question my service isn't worth my time to respond, since I couldn't give two shits what some civilian thinks about me or the military. Turn and walk away knowing that that civilian lives under the cloak of freedom provided by better men/women than him/her.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 1 at 2022 12:33 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Apr 2022 12:33:06 -0400

It was not your place to decide when, where or why you deployed. The book answer is that you served during war time, even if you didn't deploy, you were still filling a needed roll while we were at war. The Veteran answer is somewhere in the ball park of asking them if they want to go to the wood line, but you do you.

Response by PO2 Joe Duerr made Apr 1 at 2022 1:06 PM

PO2 Joe Duerr — Fri, 01 Apr 2022 13:06:15 -0400

Get over yourself

Response by SGT Frank Hewes made Apr 1 at 2022 3:33 PM

SGT Frank Hewes — Fri, 01 Apr 2022 15:33:54 -0400

There are many MOSs that are mission critical but, never deploy to a combat theater. There are others that partially deploy, needing to be staffed state-side, in-theater and strategic points in between. You signed a "blank check" allowing the U.S. Military to send you where they thought you would be most useful, even at the expense of your life. Just because they didn't send you to war doesn't mean your service was any less meaningful than someone that did.
Be proud of your service to the country because, somewhere someone else's job was easier or a life was saved by the job you did.

Response by SSgt Aaron Richardson made Apr 1 at 2022 4:38 PM

SSgt Aaron Richardson — Fri, 01 Apr 2022 16:38:11 -0400

To be honest I struggle with that guilt too. My unit wasn't called up during Desert Storm 1. Also, I was a reservist so never activated for 180 continuous days. So when the invitation to stand and be recognized at events is given, I don't feel right standing next to those who did more.
However, there is something I did that a full on civilian never did. I handed the government a blank check for an amount up to, and including, my life. Just because the government didn't cash it like they did others doesn't make my sacrifices and willingness to sacrifice any less valuable.
The proper way to deal with a jerk like the one you encountered is to be nice and walk away. You could adopt a "Col. Jessup" attitude and inform them you don't feel the need to justify yourself to them and either way you don't give a damn what they think.

Response by CSM Thomas McGarry made Apr 2 at 2022 9:40 PM

CSM Thomas McGarry — Sat, 02 Apr 2022 21:40:43 -0400

This reminds me of something that happened when I attended the Sergeant Major's Academy in 2006. One day the Academy Commandant called us all into the Academy auditorium. When we got seated he stated he had heard some talk that some of those in attendance were saying that they didn't believe anyone who had not deployed to a combat zone should be allowed to attend the Academy. He stated, and as anyone who has ever served for any length of time knows, the Army sends you where your skills are most needed and often times that may not result in a combat zone deployment and it was certainly no reflection on those senior NCOs attending the Academy who had not deployed. He next stated that anyone one who didn't agree with their policy was welcome to get up and leave and arrangements would be made to get them back to their unit. Needless to say out of the over 600 NCOs in attendance, no one elected to leave and that was the last time any talk like that was heard.

Response by SSG Mark Newland made Apr 4 at 2022 9:50 AM

SSG Mark Newland — Mon, 04 Apr 2022 09:50:04 -0400

Wondering why is is so important to you to have their approval? For me, I could give two shits what any civilian that has never served thinks/believes about me.

Response by SPC Charles McFate made Apr 5 at 2022 1:59 PM

SPC Charles McFate — Tue, 05 Apr 2022 13:59:06 -0400

It all depends...
Do they have a DD-214 (honorable)?
No, then no right to question
Yes, Depending on time period, their may have been no conflicts going on.
When you raise your right hand and swear, sign your name, look at your brothers and sisters around you, all can be put in harms way.

I still believe we live in the best country in the world and I if called up again, I would take a bullet for it. Depending on who is standing behind me (current "top mgt") I may have to check the blouse of my boots when the bullets are coming...

Response by LTC George Morgan made Apr 7 at 2022 3:38 PM

LTC George Morgan — Thu, 07 Apr 2022 15:38:16 -0400

Apply the KISS Principal: Simply look them in the eyes and treat them with the ignorance they deserve: SMILE, SAY NOTHING, AND JUST PROUDLY WALK, NAY, MARCH AWAY!
Don't allow yourself to be drawn into their level of stupidity and ignorance. You know who you are, and we, your comrades, both serving and veteran recognise the soldier, YOU ARE. No one else matters!

Response by SMSgt Kent Brown made Apr 9 at 2022 10:39 PM

SMSgt Kent Brown — Sat, 09 Apr 2022 22:39:04 -0400

I've got two questions for you. First: did you go where you were sent? Second: did you do what you were told?
Then, my friend, you are a veteran of the United States military. Sleep well. And thank you for your service.

Response by SSG Henry Palmer made Apr 10 at 2022 6:12 AM

SSG Henry Palmer — Sun, 10 Apr 2022 06:12:11 -0400

Thats where people are wrong to feel like that. It takes people here for us to be able to do our jobs when we deployed.

Response by SCPO Victor Glaviano made Apr 10 at 2022 11:41 PM

SCPO Victor Glaviano — Sun, 10 Apr 2022 23:41:26 -0400

Yea... And about 50% of the rest of the military didn’t either! If you count combat, only 1% have seen actual combat! As long as your service is honorable, so what, not everyone is going to be face to face with the enemy, if I were you knowing what I know now, you should be happy, I wish I didn't have to deal with all of the issues that comes with combat, divorce, good luck on getting a decent job, stigma for being a combat veteran and the wear and tear of your body. So if you did the or doing the right thing, then your discharge will read the same as mine... Honorable!

Response by SCPO Victor Glaviano made Apr 11 at 2022 12:22 AM

SCPO Victor Glaviano — Mon, 11 Apr 2022 00:22:21 -0400

Also... How about the same people who are judging you, instead useless platitudes like "thank you for your service", how about a decent opportunity at a decent job! Instead they box you out and treat you like a pariah!

Response by SPC Patricia K. (Williams) Elliott made Apr 20 at 2022 8:47 AM

SPC Patricia K. (Williams) Elliott — Wed, 20 Apr 2022 08:47:43 -0400

I was in for 11 years and never deployed, except for 6 days in Topeka, KS. Don't let anyone make you question you're right to be a Veteran!!! You have earned that right by serving for 3 years and received a DD214 upon discharge. Civilians, most of them, have no concept of what it's like to be in the military and probably never will!! Stand proud soldier, you did your duty!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2022 7:37 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Apr 2022 19:37:58 -0400

I severed in the U.S Army for the better part of 13 years and in that time I never deployed and the truth of it is at any time I could have. But whether we deploy or not is really out of hands. What's important however, is that we all served with the knowledge that we could end up in a combat zone. In other words, we were willing to make the sacrifice which is something a civilian will never understand. When I took Basic Training back in 1973, the Vietnam War had ended but for those coming home it was a dark period for any Vietnam Vet. And while that has gotten better over the last 40 years, still it was hard for these vets who saw and did things that no one should ever experience which is why this really gets me and why I stive to set people straight who have no inking of what it was like.

Response by SSG David Angell made Apr 24 at 2022 9:16 PM

SSG David Angell — Sun, 24 Apr 2022 21:16:19 -0400

Title 38 of the Code of Federal Regulations defines a veteran as “a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service and who was discharged or released under conditions other than dishonorable.” This definition explains that any individual that completed a service for any branch of armed forces
So the next time someone asks you "How you consider yourself a veteran, tell them, that you served in the military and your job was to do what the military told you to do. You didn't have a choice, as to what job you were assigned, nor were you given a choice as to where you were being stationed. That was leadership responsibility.
But I have a question, for you. You served. You went to basic training. When you finished basic training, you were sent somewhere else for your MOS training. So essentially you were deployed. Just not in a war zone.

Response by SP5 Joel O'Brien made Apr 25 at 2022 3:30 PM

SP5 Joel O'Brien — Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:30:29 -0400

Both my parents served during WWII. Neither left the states during their time in service. I don’t believe anyone questioned their “veteran” status when they got out. I enlisted(to beat the draft!). No one shot at me nor did I shoot at anyone during my four years active. And no one has questioned my vet status.

Response by SGM Hugh Blake made May 19 at 2022 10:11 AM

SGM Hugh Blake — Thu, 19 May 2022 10:11:08 -0400

I have come to recognize that we cannot sustain over sea's without those that support us from bases here. The military is a big wheel with many spokes, we need all the spokes to maintain the hub. you can not provide everything once deployed, follow on's are need to support the cause. In WWII over half of the military served on US soil, but we could not win the war without them

Response by SPC Liliya Hartman made May 19 at 2022 12:15 PM

SPC Liliya Hartman — Thu, 19 May 2022 12:15:06 -0400

I would say "They wouldn't take me there (Iraq, Afg, etc) so I can protect your but here in US"

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2022 7:16 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 May 2022 07:16:57 -0400

Just explain to him that there's a difference between a "combat veteran" and a "veteran". And who cares what other people think. Ask him if he served, and when he says no...don't say anything back and just exit the conversation and never talk to them again.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2022 9:22 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 20 May 2022 09:22:50 -0400

Why will you ever bother to answer that kind of people? So many Soldiers served, some even retired and never deployed, as long as you served honorably you should not feel bad...you were a Soldier!!

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made May 20 at 2022 10:45 AM

1SG Patrick Sims — Fri, 20 May 2022 10:45:03 -0400

YOU FEEL LIKE A FRAUD----DON'T----I spent over 900 days in the Mekong Delta. I have nightmares and a head full of bad memories. Even after 52 years, they never went away. Be proud of the service you did for our country. You did your job; it doesn't matter if pushed a pencil or slopped food onto a mess tray. Trust me when I tell you--getting shot at and getting shot sucks--you can live without the experience.

Response by Capt Jim Lyons made May 20 at 2022 12:01 PM

Capt Jim Lyons — Fri, 20 May 2022 12:01:56 -0400

This subject goes beyond just the civilian stupidity. Sadly, I hear fellow Vietnam Era vets apologize about going to Germany, etc. I have a combat tour and my reply to them is this - there are no second class veterans. In the end we all did the same thing. WE WENT WHERE WE WERE TOLD, DID WHAT WE WERE TOLD to the best of our ability.
What we did and where was NOT a choice - there are no jobs in the military that are 'non-essential. If anyone does not do their job the mission suffers - cook, motor pool, supply, POL name them all - all necessary.
Hold your head high - you served!

Response by MSgt Philip Ogiba made May 20 at 2022 3:24 PM

MSgt Philip Ogiba — Fri, 20 May 2022 15:24:21 -0400

You were put into a situation where you were available for deployment to a war zone. They don't ask you. They tell you to go. Just because they needed you somewhere else in the world susceptible to danger, doesn't mean you took the safe way out. I spent 4 years in the Air Force, and 26 in the Air National Guard. I worked on many of the war fighters like F4s, F-100, and the A-10, to name a few. Many of these were in war zones, but I was not. I was in during Nam, but not there. I was readied for Desert Storm, but Bush called it off just before we were to be deployed. Whether or not you were in a war zone, you were ready if called. Where was this person who questioned your service? Probably in his or her mother's basement playing computer games. Take heart! You are a veteran who signed a blank check inscribed with the words " I promise to defend the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic so help me God" That oath does not end with your separation from Service if you are a true American.

Response by Sgt Ivan Boatwright made May 20 at 2022 6:06 PM

Sgt Ivan Boatwright — Fri, 20 May 2022 18:06:22 -0400

Serving is being in the military and willing to serve. I was in Vietnam for 32 months, 1965-to 1968. Trump, in his cowardly way, paid to avoid the draft and said those of us who served were stupid and said he would disinherit any of his children that served. That is the type of person to scorn.

Response by CPL Raul Perez Jr made May 20 at 2022 6:58 PM

CPL Raul Perez Jr — Fri, 20 May 2022 18:58:03 -0400

You had the b&&ls to wear a uniform. They live under the protection you provided. Hold your head up high and say “where’s your DD-214?”

Response by TSgt James Herslebs made May 20 at 2022 8:05 PM

TSgt James Herslebs — Fri, 20 May 2022 20:05:27 -0400

I too never deployed during my six year enlistment from 1979-1985. I too had a hard time thinking of myself as a veteran. I had the misconception that being a veteran required me being engaged in a conflict. Consequently it took 32 years for me to seek medical care from the VA. It took a friend who is a combat veteran to assure me I was right to seek the help from VA. You are a Veteran and hold your head high! Don't wait 32 years to seek help if you need it.

Response by MAJ Jim Hollingsworth made May 21 at 2022 12:08 AM

MAJ Jim Hollingsworth — Sat, 21 May 2022 00:08:16 -0400

I volunteered for GWOT five times. The needs of the Army, as they say, kept me in CONUS. My workweeks were quite often 90 plus hours. I did my duty. I did command a battery in Korea for over a year, but that is often overlooked even though it is still a war zone. You did your duty and owe no apologies to anyone. Carry on Soldier!

Response by PO2 Greg Donahoe made May 21 at 2022 4:22 AM

PO2 Greg Donahoe — Sat, 21 May 2022 04:22:53 -0400

You enlisted, went where your orders took you, and didn't really have a say in that. By volunteering you did something that very few Americans do. Don't let it nag at you.

Response by SSgt W. Aaron Gregory made May 22 at 2022 9:42 AM

SSgt W. Aaron Gregory — Sun, 22 May 2022 09:42:48 -0400

A nice solid punch right between the eyes should resolve any "avoidance" accusations.
Just kidding. Don't do that, no matter how attractive an idea it is.
You already know what the definition of "veteran" is; they don't.
So you can either take the time to educate this slimy civilian that already proved once that they don't care - because they stayed at home eating bacon, drinking horrible beer, bad-mouthing their country, and hanging out with "Jody" or "Suzy J. Rotten*elbow*", etc. - what makes the status of "veteran", or you can simply say that you volunteered, went everywhere that Uncle Sam sent you, and did everything that Uncle Sam told you to; but you can at least tell them that your nation is comfortable knowing that you volunteered, and are part of it's "secret weapon" - a rather selective, elite group of people that will do whatever it takes to make sure this nation stays relevant and free. But make sure you ask "what the **** have YOU done lately?".

Response by PO1 Charles Smith made May 22 at 2022 8:09 PM

PO1 Charles Smith — Sun, 22 May 2022 20:09:14 -0400

There is a reason Robert A Heinlein is one of my favorite authors. READ "Starship Troopers", ignore the movie. I do not care if you played tiddly winks your entire time in service; you were in the service and came out with an honorable discharge. Just going on a base can be as much as a deployment. People die in all sorts of ways in service. YOU signed a contract that one guaranteed one meal a day (not necessarily warm) and one hour of sleep a day ( not necessarily all at one time). And how many deployments did said civilian make? Just because you were not the pointy end of the spear does not mean that you did not perform things that kept the point sharp or supported doing the poking. "amateurs study tactics, professionals study logistics" While I was deployed I was dependent on all the other service members... not civilian weenies.
I still remember some civilian on a salary complaining that they could not get an early off like those of us on ships. The base commander tried to curtail early liberty... we sent him a letter with a contract saying that if she want our privileges, then sign on the dotted line... we highlighted a few items.

Response by SFC Scott Parkhurst made May 23 at 2022 7:12 PM

SFC Scott Parkhurst — Mon, 23 May 2022 19:12:57 -0400

First of all....DID THEY SERVE THEIR COUNTRY? Yes you did serve your Country! You went and signed up! You already put your life on the line by just going to a recruiter's station and signing an oath and you don't know whether or not your going over sea's or what! And again, you DID serve and went through training and was instrumental and helping and prepping and being there for all those did just happen to go wherever they had too!!!! So thank you for your service!!!!!

Response by SFC Howard Holmes made May 24 at 2022 12:08 AM

SFC Howard Holmes — Tue, 24 May 2022 00:08:16 -0400

Specialist, I completely understand. Believe it or not, I did a career and deployed, but never ended up in the zone, box, whatever you want to call it. I've dealt with depression over it. When Iraq kicked off, we were supposed to go in 2002, but right before we were even notified I tore the meniscus in my knee. I was going to try and hide this, because I had it diagnosed by a civilian Dr. and it was not yet in the system. I completely trusted my XO and pulled him to the side and discussed it with him. He told me that if I didn't disclose it they could send me back to the states and court martial me. I also volunteered twice to go to Afghanistan and was turned down due to the needs of the job I was doing within Recruiting Command. I've been retired for seven years and still feel like a turd at times. In fact, it's when I got denied the last time I volunteered for Afghanistan, I retired. I said all of that so that you understand that I know where you are at. If you are speaking about civilians, ask them, do you have any idea how many soldiers it takes to support each combat soldier? Last I was told, it was 11, but some that I can figure out include, Human Resources (predeployment, post deployment, and during deployment, payroll, unit liaisons (that report unit status to rear area parent commands; unit transition personnel (people involved in rotating units in and out of theater); medical personnel - both in the field, and rear area support facilities; Transportation personnel, supply personnel, armorers, cooks, maintenance personnel. There are also those involved at maintaining and ensuring operations and security of the home military base from which the unit deployed, as well as required medical personnel, human resource personnel, cooks and FORSCOM personnel. Bottom line, you signed your name on the line, took your oath, successfully completed BCT and AIT. You took the risk, and like me, your fate did not include that deployment. As long as you know that you did nothing unlawful, manipulative, immoral or dishonest to not deploy, you have NOT one reason to devalue your service, because you supported, in one way, shape or form, those who were over there, wherever there is.

Response by PFC Michelle Gauthier made May 24 at 2022 12:33 AM

PFC Michelle Gauthier — Tue, 24 May 2022 00:33:23 -0400

Asa a Vietnam Era woman Marine musician, when they question my deployment, I tell them I deployed to the Rose Parade because I did not want to come back with PTSD from doing things against my conscious. Tell them you are too smart to inherit their mental health problems..T e further away from civilian life employment your service, the more difficult to make the journey back again.

Response by Sgt Stu Kopelman made May 24 at 2022 8:30 AM

Sgt Stu Kopelman — Tue, 24 May 2022 08:30:26 -0400

I would respond with grace, thanking him for his service where it was more dangerous for him. Being a soldier is an act of service, no matter what opportunity and contribution that avails itself. Humility, not pride is greater.

I was drafted, but chose to enlist instead. I was taken out of an elite opportunity to graduate in a spectacular Physics program at the university I attended. I had high grades and wanted to be placed into the electronics program in the USAF. Instead, I served as a Package and Crater, wrapping up airplane parts to send overseas. At first, it was utterly humiliating, but I accepted my assignment. Instead of it teaching me about having a great reputation (something people see on the outside), it taught me to persevere with humility---a mark of character (something people see on the inside).

Jesus said, "The greatest among you shall be your servant." It was a hard lesson; we all want to be Generals, but don't despair. There are much greater lessons on the inside that put us to the test.

Response by SGT Christopher Sigafoos made May 24 at 2022 9:13 PM

SGT Christopher Sigafoos — Tue, 24 May 2022 21:13:13 -0400

Ignore them and carry on with your day. If this is not an option, remind them that all forces need support from stateside for things like logistics, supply, and reserve forces in case of casualties. You may not have deployed, but you still did your part to make sure the civvies stayed safe.

Response by SGT Jon Watt made May 25 at 2022 6:59 PM

SGT Jon Watt — Wed, 25 May 2022 18:59:22 -0400

There is a misconception of what a veteran is. As a director of a social service provider, I have had primary military personnel state, "I'm not a veteran, I never left the US, I was never in danger." I then explain to them that, "yes, you are a veteran." I had one father who served 8 years in the Marine Corps but never deployed to VietNam tell me how he felt less of a Marine for not going; especially when his son ended up 100% medically discharged after being in Iraq. I told him - "You enlisted, and then you re-enlisted. The Marines decided where they needed you the most - you had an important job to do (he had a Top Secret clearance position), so it does not matter that you remained in the US the entire 8 years - you were willing to go.
Some civilians are just like the veterans who thought they were not veterans simply because they did not serve in combat. For them, it is simply a matter of explaining that a veteran is anyone who served for any length of time as long as he/she was not dishonorably discharged (federal law). For any civilian who never served and who wants to get nasty and try to look down on a veteran because that veteran did not get deployed - and who does not change their opinion once informed - look them in the eye and say, "So, I heard about a guy the military wouldn't let in because he had a 3-inch wide yellow stripe down his back. Were you that guy - at least he tried to get in - but if you're not him - what's your excuse?"

Response by SPC Edwin Savoy made May 25 at 2022 7:37 PM

SPC Edwin Savoy — Wed, 25 May 2022 19:37:11 -0400

I was never deployed to a combat area, I did serve three years in Germany. I was on active duty stateside 1961-1963, 7th SF and 82d Abn Div 1/503 & 1/505th Abn Battle Groups and 1967 and in Germany 1963-1966 2/83 Artiilary. I consider myself a VETERAN, and so should you. You served your country for however long you were on active duty, or where, AKA a veteran. I thank you for your service! I was also in the Marine Corps 1972-1973 eight months twenty-five days with a Honorable Discharge I did not receive my "Eagle-Globe & Anchor" But My DD214 gives my MOS as 9900 Basic Marine, So am a Marine as well. So I say Veteran, Thank you for your service, I salute you! AATW Hooah & Semper Fi!

Response by Sgt David Scott made May 26 at 2022 1:40 PM

Sgt David Scott — Thu, 26 May 2022 13:40:44 -0400

You took the step forward, some of us on to those "Magic Yellow Footprints", yet are looked down upon by those who believe they are entitled to breathe the "Free Air" that is guaranteed by us. Remember you can't fix stupid! Hold your head high.

Response by PO1 David Kingsley made May 27 at 2022 4:57 AM

PO1 David Kingsley — Fri, 27 May 2022 04:57:23 -0400

the Military is a large Organization.
Not Everyone can be at the pointy end of the stick, some peoples job, is to reinforce the stick so it works better.
Air Force, you'd think that Every Officer in the Air Force is a Pilot.
You'd be wrong as at most 25% of Air Force Officers are actually Pilot's (that number may be as low as 10% are Pilots). My dad was a Pilot Engineer, his education was in Engineering and then Aerospace Engineering, but he was also Trained as a Fighter Pilot, he never flew any combat missions he originally assisted in Training the Chinese National Air Force and then flew an occasional AirCraft Ferry Pilot missions. He did piss off some of his Engineering Supervisors who weren't pilots, because he had to take One Day a month off, to Maintain his Flight Proficiency, to collect flight Hazard Pay.

Response by TSgt Chuck Mankin made May 27 at 2022 9:35 AM

TSgt Chuck Mankin — Fri, 27 May 2022 09:35:24 -0400

Ask them simply what they have done to serve our country over the last 20 years of war? I am sure you will get the story of "I'd have joined but I'd have kicked that drill instructors ass when he yelled at me" or some other BS. Very few folks have the stones to join especially during wartime. You had it to join and that makes you a vet and a brother or sister to me!

Response by SGT Tim Tobin made May 27 at 2022 9:33 PM

SGT Tim Tobin — Fri, 27 May 2022 21:33:08 -0400

At 18 I volunteered so I could get the job I wanted. As it turns out that's not where I ended up (long story) but when I enlisted the Vietnam War was going strong. I was trained in electronics, sophisticated for the time. And as a result I was sent to Germany and at age 19 I was in charge of a communication site the controlled all the nuclear weapon sites in Europe. I had a clearance and it was very sensitive site. But the closest I ever got to a war was when US bases were attacked and Jewish athletes were killed at the Munich Olympics. I was in a second time and this time after Vietnam and I was a medic. I served honorably to the best of my ability but for many years I was made to feel I was somehow less of a man for serving and less than that for not being in combat. Now 50 years later I have been able to look back on my life and feel a sense of pride for my contribution. As a medic and nurse I took care of my charges in a tent or in a hospital. After I was discharged I continued to serve to the best of my ability as a nurse.

Response by PO2 Gabriel Patterson made May 28 at 2022 4:13 PM

PO2 Gabriel Patterson — Sat, 28 May 2022 16:13:32 -0400

If it's a civilian that never served, tell him to eat a dick and choke on it. If it's a fellow veteran, just understand some of them have a god complex and think they're better than everyone else; it's part of some kind of trauma they endured but never received help for/with. You know the truth and that's all that really matters at the end of the day. Don't let it get to you.

Response by CPO Rob Cummins made May 28 at 2022 5:32 PM

CPO Rob Cummins — Sat, 28 May 2022 17:32:58 -0400

Tell them to fuck off. They didn’t raise their right hand and volunteer to serve.

Response by SSG John C Quigley II made May 28 at 2022 7:15 PM

SSG John C Quigley II — Sat, 28 May 2022 19:15:05 -0400

I would simply say, when did you deploy to combat? I served during Vietnam, but in Northern France. When JFK was killed we were locked and loaded and on the perimeter waiting for the Russians to attack, they never did of course. Was I deployed? No, the war was thousands of miles away.

Response by SrA Zo Evans Sr made May 29 at 2022 11:44 AM

SrA Zo Evans Sr — Sun, 29 May 2022 11:44:37 -0400

Bro! You did serve… Bootcamp alone is enough to make most people fold, yet You made it through. That alone is an achievement that you should be proud of. To have served and not gone to war is not a choice you made, it was your Command and those in charge who do. You can’t just walk up and say “ I want to go to war”… actually, you should be glad to not have gone…

Response by Maj John Bell made May 30 at 2022 5:12 PM

Maj John Bell — Mon, 30 May 2022 17:12:41 -0400

You can't fix stupid. Just smile and move on to more worthwhile activities.

Response by CSM William Payne made May 30 at 2022 8:16 PM

CSM William Payne — Mon, 30 May 2022 20:16:36 -0400

People are ignorant’ “40% of service members do NOT see combat, and of the remaining 60%, only 10% to 20% are deployed into the combat premise. Plus, the majority of these members enter the arena as supporting units” I have known active duty Command Sergeants Major with 30+ year careers that never deployed during their time of service. I guess they aren’t Veteran’s either. A few of them actively avoided being deployed. But the majority of them either held an MOS or were in a billet that was not needed during a particular time during our modern conflicts. We have been an all volunteer force since 1973. Since then everyone that raised their right hand and made that oath wrote a blank check of service that included the possibility of giving up one’s life in the service of their country. Most civilians can’t even begin to comprehend what that means. Today, on this Memorial Day, we honor those that gave who “gave that last full measure of devotion” in the service of their country. Say “We all serve(d) at the convenience of our country. I did that duty given me to the best of my ability” and drive on. Thank you for your service.

Response by PO2 Christopher Foss made May 31 at 2022 1:04 PM

PO2 Christopher Foss — Tue, 31 May 2022 13:04:25 -0400

As one veteran to another, Thank You for your Service!

Don't ever feel that, just because you didn't "deploy", you didn't serve. You accepted the responsibility, you made the element of the military you were responsible for function.

A Drill Instructor isn't deployed, yet they serve; Supply isn't deployed, yet they serve. If you fulfilled your assignment , then you served.

A parting thought - Insults are like poison, they only work if taken.

Response by PFC Ronald Rozewski made Jun 25 at 2022 12:16 AM

PFC Ronald Rozewski — Sat, 25 Jun 2022 00:16:17 -0400

Deployed, sheployed, you were a soldier ready and prepared to go where needed to serve your country. You were doing your DUTY, a word that has been forgotten for too long.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2022 9:33 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Jun 2022 21:33:16 -0400

This could only have been uttered by someone who's vast military knowledge consists entirely of what they've seen on a television set.
How much does this person's opinion really mean to you?

Response by SFC Tracy Donahoo made Jun 28 at 2022 1:29 PM

SFC Tracy Donahoo — Tue, 28 Jun 2022 13:29:40 -0400

You don’t.

They don’t want to know, they just want to provoke you.

Walk away and realize you signed that blank check to serve and they didn’t.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Jun 30 at 2022 10:16 AM

1SG James Kelly — Thu, 30 Jun 2022 10:16:56 -0400

Eat shit, bark at the moon, die and go to hell.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2022 5:31 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 30 Jun 2022 17:31:00 -0400

I’d just ignore them personally, even more so if they never volunteered for service themselves. Everyone has a job & a specific skill set in the army to support the overall mission of the army. That said not everyone conducts combat operations and not everyone deploys to a combat zone. You don’t have to deploy to be a veteran.

Response by PFC Steven Kleiner made Jul 1 at 2022 3:26 PM

PFC Steven Kleiner — Fri, 01 Jul 2022 15:26:47 -0400

You are a Veteran plan and simple! They could not do what you did! What we all did!

Response by PFC Martin Potashner made Jul 1 at 2022 5:35 PM

PFC Martin Potashner — Fri, 01 Jul 2022 17:35:25 -0400

I spent 18 months in the jungle I followed orders given me

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2022 9:26 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Jul 2022 21:26:53 -0400

Just reply: "I rogered-up to serve in the U.S. military and defend our country/constitution. What did you do that was worthwhile? Nothing - just what I thought." And then move on...

Response by MSgt Joseph Haynes made Jul 2 at 2022 4:04 PM

MSgt Joseph Haynes — Sat, 02 Jul 2022 16:04:40 -0400

I do not discuss my service with civilians much at all because of those stupid questions as previously mentioned. I have a retiree card that says I served far more than my "fair share". I'll take the shit talk from other branches about me being in the Air Force (except Space Force). I get more than annoyed when civilians call me Chair Force. I ask when, where and what branch they served. "I almost joined" stories are the best. So they didn't serve and I tell them where to shove their stupid attitude. The fact is you joined, we all had our part to play. I was medic, loved my job, but it also came with a price in nightmares because I can't unsee somethings and can't go back and change things. I love asking civilians to take my hearing loss, back problems, plantar fasciitis, PTSD, nightmares and loss of a testicle so I have "regular life". I just get blank stares. That civilian who's eaten you isn't worth your time.

Response by SFC Richard Darnielle made Jul 2 at 2022 4:44 PM

SFC Richard Darnielle — Sat, 02 Jul 2022 16:44:31 -0400

I say: count yourself fortunate for not having to have to deploy and having to come back in a bodybag. Realize that you don't need stripes to have honor. Accept the poor bastards in other countries willing to die for their country. Service to one's country is what you asked to do and not what you asked of your country.

Response by 1stSgt Les Ashe made Jul 2 at 2022 7:18 PM

1stSgt Les Ashe — Sat, 02 Jul 2022 19:18:45 -0400

Sounds like a Liberal Democrat? Wonder if the person has a real job or lives on the public dole? Definitely never served!

Response by SSgt Dan Moquin made Jul 2 at 2022 10:01 PM

SSgt Dan Moquin — Sat, 02 Jul 2022 22:01:59 -0400

In all wars there are those that don’t deploy, that doesn’t lessen your service. Everyone is needed, no matter where you are stationed. Guys at the front need supplies and reinforcements, maybe Uncle Sam decided that was your part to play.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2022 10:59 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 02 Jul 2022 22:59:22 -0400

Brace yourself rockstar, you might get a heavy dose of what you are wishing for:
a) lots of brand new armored-vics leaving the factories and taking trains to major ports.
b) Army Recruiters no longer require a High School Diploma, and will give a $35k bonus to those who begin the training process with a 45-day "quick-ship" process.
c) ratings/polls are not ideal
d)unspecified units are changing from routine Security deployments toward much/much sooner unspecified missions under a different Regional Command.
...I'm not SAYIN'~... this is all my little dumb-guy guess... but just sayin'... ;)

Response by SGT Kerry Sommers made Jul 3 at 2022 8:24 PM

SGT Kerry Sommers — Sun, 03 Jul 2022 20:24:24 -0400

Most civilians have no clue. You honorably served. Don’t waste your breathe on people like that. They will never get it. Thanks for your service!!

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2022 8:30 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 03 Jul 2022 20:30:41 -0400

Haters are going to hate. You don’t owe anyone any explanations for anything.

Response by SSgt James Mathews made Jul 5 at 2022 12:54 PM

SSgt James Mathews — Tue, 05 Jul 2022 12:54:37 -0400

I served 6 years on active duty, two years Army and four years air force and never deployed. My job was to see that all that did deploy had all of their records kept up to date and accurate. so they could get all the credit due them for their deployment. My job was to make sure that those that did deploy had all the modern equipment for their safety. My job was to make sure they were kept track of in case of any problems at home. I could go on and on about those that were not deployed. We that were not deployed had a job to do to keep the ones that were deployed safe in many ways. I am a veteran, when I joined I signed on the dotted line to go where I was needed and do what I would be trained for, I am a Veteran.

Response by SrA Don Oberlies made Jul 7 at 2022 7:53 AM

SrA Don Oberlies — Thu, 07 Jul 2022 07:53:59 -0400

We served we sacrificed we were ready to die for our country, we are veterans!

Response by LtCol Paul Bowen made Jul 7 at 2022 10:13 AM

LtCol Paul Bowen — Thu, 07 Jul 2022 10:13:32 -0400

Tell them John Wayne never deployed either.

In fact he chose to keep his acting career going instead of serving in WW2.

Clint Eastwood deployed to Fort Ord, California as the base swimming pool lifeguard.

We all can’t be lion tamers.

Response by CPT Jacob Michael made Jul 7 at 2022 2:58 PM

CPT Jacob Michael — Thu, 07 Jul 2022 14:58:34 -0400

I think this comes from a 20 year long campaign in the middle east. This created the mindset that everyone has deployed at some point at least once if not multiple times. Prior to 9/11 having a combat patch was much more uncommon.

Response by SGT Richard Mitchell made Jul 8 at 2022 3:57 PM

SGT Richard Mitchell — Fri, 08 Jul 2022 15:57:03 -0400

In the Vietnam War (1961-1975) period, especially in the later years of American involvement there, there was a lot of prejudice against ANYONE who served in the military; and, if one had been in the combat zone over there, you were looked upon as having acquired some sort of mental derangement during your service. It was so bad at times, that veterans who had served honorably during that period, (no matter where, no matter what MOS), would not list their service on job applications and such, to avoid such prejudice. There was a true negative feeling toward the government (in many cases entirely justified!), but why take it out on the poor shnook who served; that is beyond any rational thought. During that period, you either went into the service (drafted or otherwise... the draft lottery did not take effect until 1971), went to jail, or left the country. I showed my wife's great grandniece, who was working on a school project about veterans' experiences during those years, a copy of that "draft notice," similar to what my wife's brother received. The letter was very clear, "You will show up or you will be in deep dung!" Young folks today have no concept of "conscription" and what it means. I served three years in the U.S. Army (1968-1971), mostly in Germany. I put my life and my future on the line... I AM A VETERAN... and, I am very proud of it!

Response by MSgt Earl King made Jul 9 at 2022 5:24 PM

MSgt Earl King — Sat, 09 Jul 2022 17:24:53 -0400

I would respond, are you talking to me!!

Response by Cpl Tammy Hooper made Jul 10 at 2022 11:38 AM

Cpl Tammy Hooper — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 11:38:35 -0400

And these are the ones we protect...the irony.

Response by 1SG Steven Borts made Jul 10 at 2022 5:40 PM

1SG Steven Borts — Sun, 10 Jul 2022 17:40:05 -0400

I enlisted in 1973 and was an 11B Infantryman. Vietnam was still going on, but winding down. I was sent to Germany, not Vietnam. When people ask me if I am a Vietnam vet, I tell them straight out: "No, I am a Vietnam Era Veteran. I was one of the LUCKY ones that was sent to Germany." Being straight upfront about it tends to take the wind out of their sails. If they still want to say I'm not a veteran, well, then we need to have a discussion. You signed up, and were sent where the military wanted you to go. You had little or no say if you went to a combat zone or not.

Response by SGM Tim Kinsella made Jul 11 at 2022 7:12 AM

SGM Tim Kinsella — Mon, 11 Jul 2022 07:12:01 -0400

During the time I served (1963-2003) I missed the Viet Nam conflict and the Gulf war. I did one tour in Korea for 13 months. This has not diminished my military career. For anyone who asks me why I did not deploy, I ask them “did you serve anytime in the military ?” They then get this far off look in their eyes and give me some excuse about not serving like, college or marriage or some other reason. They generally have no concept about the hardships or consequences of serving like, being away from home and family, isolated, lonely or the other myriad of feelings you get while serving their country. After that conversation I stand a little taller and straighter and walk away. Let them mull that over in their mind.

Response by PVT Adrian Littley made Jul 13 at 2022 6:46 PM

PVT Adrian Littley — Wed, 13 Jul 2022 18:46:55 -0400

You Joined you passed you're Training you got the Beret, You worked hard, And You achieved to be part of a unit.. Ask that person this question "What have you achieved!! I served in Northern Ireland.. In Uk you are a veteran after one day of service.. After 6 months basic You are Now a Unit a team and family., You Earned this.. So Veterans are defined as anyone who has served for at least one day in Her Majesty's Armed Forces (Regular or Reserve) or Merchant Mariners who have seen duty on legally defined military operations. Hold you're head up High..

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Jul 22 at 2022 2:25 PM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Fri, 22 Jul 2022 14:25:40 -0400

Excuse me. Did you have a choice in where you went? I believe the military provided you with an assignment, and if overseas a DEROS. Most assignments are non-negotiable--you go, you serve. As long as you fulfilled the assigned obligation, screw them.

Response by CPO Bernie Penkin made Jul 27 at 2022 12:44 PM

CPO Bernie Penkin — Wed, 27 Jul 2022 12:44:34 -0400

When I hear stuff like that from civilians and former combat veterans, I just remember that we all serve. Even those who watch and wait. Don’t feel bad about it brother. Ignorant people aren’t worth the time and effort. You served and that is all that matters.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2022 4:22 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 02 Aug 2022 16:22:01 -0400

1. no need to explain
2. your DD214 says otherwise (manner of service....Honorable)

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2022 9:54 AM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Aug 2022 09:54:12 -0400

I'm coming up on 15 years and never deployed. I was assigned to logistics support which was non-cyclic. I am now assigned to an instructor unit, again non-cyclic. Not my fault I didn't get to go down range. That path of service was simply not in the cards for me. No I don't feel badly about it. Would I have gone had I been called to? In a heartbeat.
As for the asshat that questioned your veteran status you can do a few things. Tell them "my dd214 says otherwise". Tell them to go pound sand in their ass (or any other colorful statement). Tell them they are an ignorant fu$$twit and walk away. Or educate them on the fact that you signed a blank check made payable to this nation that was payable up to include your life should that be the case. In your case, as in mine, our checks were cashed without us having to go down range.

Response by SN Walt Boyer made Aug 4 at 2022 4:27 PM

SN Walt Boyer — Thu, 04 Aug 2022 16:27:49 -0400

You are among the 1% of Americans that even serve in our military. You are more unique than that civilian that never served. You ARE a veteran regardless of what an unintelligent, uninformed candy ass, civilian bully thinks. Who determined that that person's opinion was even important?

Response by SP5 John Fitzgerald made Aug 4 at 2022 6:06 PM

SP5 John Fitzgerald — Thu, 04 Aug 2022 18:06:30 -0400

Dude, you put yourself in the queue for whatever assignment you had or could have had and that is far more than some dipshits that would question your service. You handled the cards dealt to you and be proud of it. I'm a Vietnam vet that was steeped in horrible crap and I AM PROUD that you are a part of the long green line.

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made Aug 5 at 2022 2:11 PM

PO2 Mike Vignapiano — Fri, 05 Aug 2022 14:11:32 -0400

So the one who was spineless & never enlisted, never was willing to take the oath, to lay down his life, or take a life to preserve our freedoms, had the balls to say that? What sacrifices did he make? I’m sure you weren’t home with mom& dad & siblings from Day 1. You stood watch! You trained! You were ready & willing! Just because you weren’t called or your MOS didn’t require it. My job was Shore Comm Tech. A sailor whose job is to stay ashore. I faced similar comments. My comment back was always, “At least I was a MAN! Did the doc never cut the cord to your mommy?”

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Aug 5 at 2022 3:09 PM

LCpl Kenneth Heath — Fri, 05 Aug 2022 15:09:52 -0400

Look them squarely in the eyes and say "Fuck You."... do not flinch, do not avert your gaze, make them look away first!

Response by SSgt Don Porter made Aug 5 at 2022 5:46 PM

SSgt Don Porter — Fri, 05 Aug 2022 17:46:17 -0400

Good question! Last thing we need is social classing within the ranks. I say no BIG I’s or little u’s

Response by SPC Elbert Comstock made Aug 6 at 2022 12:30 AM

SPC Elbert Comstock — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 00:30:50 -0400

Any "Veteran" who takes his oath and honorably serves has done something a non-veteran has never done. You have sacrificed a portion of your life to stand and defend this great country. You have given the US government that time from your life while the non-vet has never made that sacrifice. "WE ALSO SERVE WHO STAND AND WAIT."

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Aug 6 at 2022 3:59 PM

SGT Jeff Everhart — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 15:59:51 -0400

Tell them to go screw themselves!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2022 4:23 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 16:23:37 -0400

Service means a lot more than deployments. The stress on relationships and families has life altering consequences, good or bad.

Also, if you helped to train, motivate, and elevate the Service Members around you, then you had a direct impact on how well our forces were able to operate.

Be proud of your service and your self, we all contributed something and we're all better for it.

Response by SPC Curtis Kennedy made Aug 6 at 2022 7:12 PM

SPC Curtis Kennedy — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 19:12:18 -0400

The response should be..."I was waiting for the chance which never came, but am glad that I served regardless."

Response by SPC Victoria Coe made Aug 6 at 2022 9:29 PM

SPC Victoria Coe — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 21:29:32 -0400

I would of asked if they served first...if the answer was a no, I would tell them to f**k off and go serve. If they did serve, I would tell them to f**k off. I deployed and I would never talk to any veteran like that. We all took that oath and you were willing to do what most wouldn't. There is nonshame in your service.

Response by Pvt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2022 10:58 PM

Pvt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 06 Aug 2022 22:58:51 -0400

Best of luck

Response by Sgt Diane E. made Aug 7 at 2022 5:58 AM

Sgt Diane E. — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 05:58:31 -0400

I usually point out that I VOLUNTEERED to serve my country up to and including that I would give my life, just because I wasn't in combat doesn't mean I wouldn't have SERVED if I had been sent there.

Response by SFC James Buckley made Aug 7 at 2022 6:45 AM

SFC James Buckley — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 06:45:33 -0400

"How are you even a veteran then? You didn't even serve your country." Id say thank you for your service. The new world of woke idiots Yes ive lost many friends. from battle. 1974

Response by TSgt David Marti made Aug 7 at 2022 6:14 PM

TSgt David Marti — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 18:14:02 -0400

I can understand where you are coming from. I feel it every day and there are days I feeI like my 20+ years of service was a joke! I went to join the American Legion and was laughed at! I looked at joining the VFW because I meet the criteria under Korean service, and then decided against it. It was all the things that weighed heavily on me, and we're reasons I didn't want a retirement ceremony. I never really went anywhere or did anything. I never heard a shot fired in anger. I was always the backup crew to the backup crew. Or part of the team that was deployed to take up another teams peacetime mission so they could deploy to some hotspot.

I was a Cold War warrior for the first 5.years of my service. That meant my job was to standby to get nuked by the evil empire of the Soviet Union. Today, I don't talk about my service, I don't wear any military type clothing or even like to acknowledge that I'm a retiree. I even hide my shadow box and retirement flag. I really don't think that I made a difference by serving.

Response by SPC Tracy Murdock made Aug 7 at 2022 7:42 PM

SPC Tracy Murdock — Sun, 07 Aug 2022 19:42:47 -0400

When you stood up and declared your oath to serve, did you take the oath under any stipulation that you would not see combat? NO, you didn't. You took the oath knowing, if the Country needs you, that you would go. I served 7 yrars. All peace time. Do I feel bad about that? Hell no! Joe pogue didn't even offer himself up. All I can offer is, FU€K that guy. Thank you for serving, VET.

Response by Cpl Samuel Pope Sr made Aug 8 at 2022 2:07 AM

Cpl Samuel Pope Sr — Mon, 08 Aug 2022 02:07:14 -0400

I stopped using the terms necessary to fit this situation a few years after I separated from the USMC.
So...
"Deployment isn't the point, service is. I didn't hide from my pledge of allegiance, and break my oath to this flag and this republic. Did you? I went where I was sent. I served my country everywhere I went in her service. America called and I answered. I served honorably and was separated Honorably. Did you serve... at all? No? This conversation is over. You don't have the right to question a Veteran. You don't rate anymore answers."

SPC(Anon): A king once said: "They who stay behind and guard the Stuff gets the same reward as those who fought in the heat of battle. For what would it do us and how would we live, if after winning the battle, we die because an enemy found the camp and destroyed our Food and Supplies?"

Response by PO3 Kathy Getchey made Aug 8 at 2022 5:49 AM

PO3 Kathy Getchey — Mon, 08 Aug 2022 05:49:24 -0400

Its not easy to recognize a civilian challenge, but that question was one. Civilians never get it. Some vets don't get it either. Never let ANYONE (especially a civilian)diminish your time in. If you weren't needed in the ranks, you would not have been IN the ranks. If you feel a need to respond, ask how long they were in the service. Answering a question with a question is totally acceptable, so, dont hide under a asked because you weren't in combat.

Response by 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2022 1:25 PM

1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 08 Aug 2022 13:25:53 -0400

I don't know why RP feels the need to bring up old posts rather than feed new ones to my email, but here's my response:
Ignore their ignorance and move on. Don't get offended at their lack of understanding of military life. Your service serves a purpose in the overall strategic and operational realm of the military. In my 16+ years of Reserve service, I have yet to be deployed anywhere. It's 2022 as I write this, and China is on the verge of following Russia's lead and invading Taiwan. Ukraine is on fire. Global tensions are high. A single wrong move may precipitate world war. None of us in our right minds want that. Thousands or millions of people, fellow human beings, many of whom are trying to just live their lives, will die because of the ambitions of a few despots. As a Soldier in the employ of the United States Army, you are filling the gap when the vast majority of your peers would not or cannot because they are not fit for service.
Semper Fidelis. Keep those Caissons rolling along.
-First Sergeant

Response by SPC David Elzinga made Aug 8 at 2022 2:54 PM

SPC David Elzinga — Mon, 08 Aug 2022 14:54:57 -0400

Thankfully I have run into more people that are very great full for people that serve and have served, it’s up to Washington if you get deployed or not
Long as you raised your right hand and put on the uniform, served your country, makes you a Veteran no matter where you went

Response by SGT Stephen Jaffe made Aug 8 at 2022 11:59 PM

SGT Stephen Jaffe — Mon, 08 Aug 2022 23:59:39 -0400

US Army 02/65 - 10/68. MOS 72B. Spent two years in Japan. 3mo at Ft. Wolters. Year at Tan Son Nhut Airbase with a top secret signal unit. Because I wasn't a'trigger puller' some folks might think I'm not a Viet Vet. Sometimes people ask me if I fought in Vietnam. I tell them I fought the way the Army told me I was going to fight. 'Chuck' didn't care what MOS I had. He wanted to kill all Americans.
As to the original question, you're a veteran. Don't let anyone tell you otherewise.

Response by SFC Terry Bryant made Aug 9 at 2022 8:34 AM

SFC Terry Bryant — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 08:34:46 -0400

Very simple. By understanding their ignorance is not your ignorance. It is not about whether or not you deployed but the fact that you were ready if you were called upon. You joined, you did your time, and you did your duty. Deployments are not icing on the cake of service to your country. The fact you joined said everything about your character and courage. Because from day one you always knew there was a great possibility of you sacrificing all. So just because ignorant people get hung up on the little fact you were not deployed does not mean you should either.

Response by CPT Vince Buonocore made Aug 9 at 2022 8:59 AM

CPT Vince Buonocore — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 08:59:30 -0400

We all took the same oath, to put our lives on the line to preserve and protect the Constitution from all enemies. Every one of us were ready to do that if called on. What commitment did this idiot take?

Response by MSgt Brian Williams made Aug 9 at 2022 2:34 PM

MSgt Brian Williams — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:34:49 -0400

The fact that you took the oath and stayed however long you stayed makes you a veteran. If the questioner never served why the fuq would you care what he/she thinks about your commitment? FUQ'em.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Aug 9 at 2022 2:37 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:37:30 -0400

You're going to have to get over it. You sat on the bench during the superbowl. You have the ring, but didn't play in the game.
It is what it is. Make your peace and move on.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Aug 9 at 2022 4:41 PM

PO3 John Jeter — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 16:41:17 -0400

I responded to this before but I realized I left out the most important part - Being a Veteran has ZERO to do with where, when, or how you served. It has everything to do with the fact that you DID serve. Peace, war, whatever, you put your name on the dotted line for the sake of others. "Greater love hath no man..." Next person who asks, tell them to attend a mission with their local Patriot Guard Riders.

Response by SFC Charles Miller made Aug 9 at 2022 5:10 PM

SFC Charles Miller — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 17:10:15 -0400

So would you have went if called to deploy!? EVERY one of us that wore the uniform at the point of taking the oath wrote a check for the price of our lives. You’re a Veteran!

Response by Pvt Oral Stallings made Aug 9 at 2022 5:27 PM

Pvt Oral Stallings — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 17:27:35 -0400

you let them know that all who serve and wear the uniform are as much of the service to them as some one who is deployed..

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Aug 9 at 2022 8:33 PM

SGT Joseph Dutton — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 20:33:35 -0400

I wouldn't fret over it. There is more important things to worry about than the dumb stuff. Everyone in the military deploys whither directly or indirectly. It is all for one and one for all.

Response by SFC Keith Gardner made Aug 9 at 2022 11:05 PM

SFC Keith Gardner — Tue, 09 Aug 2022 23:05:14 -0400

Okay, this is easy. Ask the person asking this question if they served. But you: A) Signed a contract at a MEPS station and took the oath B) Reported to basic training/ROTC/OCS and completed that training C) Wore boots for a living D) Marched, did PT, passed a PT test, stood inspection, and any of the other myriad seemingly bizarre tasks required of us, E) received a DD 214.

I spent 20 years, 5 months and 19 days in the United States Army. It took 4+ years before my first overseas tour (Korea) and 3 more before my first (of several) deployments. I (or any other Soldier) didn’t get to decide when or if I deployed. The United States Army made those decisions. You did more at the MEPS station than all those private freaking civilians ever did. I’ve been asked if I “saw any action” or if I “ever killed anyone”. They don’t get an answer— just a cold dark stare that burns straight through the skull. Deployments are not a prerequisite to earn the title “Veteran.” Service does. If they still don’t get it DM me and send them my way or I can come to them. After a little eyeball to eyeball counseling they’ll never ask that question of anyone ever again.

You served. You’re a veteran. Wear that with pride.

Response by SPC James Drury made Aug 10 at 2022 1:58 PM

SPC James Drury — Wed, 10 Aug 2022 13:58:18 -0400

Some years back as a Police Officer I was called to remove an older gentleman from a public office who was being disruptive. When I arrived, I said to the older male, "Sir, let's go outside and talk about this, okay?"

When we got outside he turned to me and in a challenging loud aggressive voice yelled, "So, I bet you don't know what a 214 is, do yah?"

I responded quietly, "Do you mean a Military Discharge, Sir?" "Yes!" he replied surprised He then shook my hand and walked away proudly. He never asked where I served, what branch I was in, how long or if I was drafted or enlisted. Knowing the document was enough.

One can say as much or as little as they wish, knowing their service alone is enough qualification to be a veteran who has served his or her country.

Response by SA Steven Biggio made Aug 10 at 2022 9:32 PM

SA Steven Biggio — Wed, 10 Aug 2022 21:32:36 -0400

Man I get this all the time!
I'm a Viet era vet, served overseas, but not Nam, in the Navy watching the 1973 October war in the Middle East under General Quarters the entire cruise.
I tell them, "I enlisted, what did you do, dodge the draft?"
They curse me out as they walk away.
I laugh and say guess you're one of those who support Veterans, only when they have been KIA...
I'm a Proud Vet, you aren't.
I am also reminded of what we got... A Postal stamp Cancellation stamp that said "Your Best Bet Hire the Vet"... Gee, couldn't get work because I was mediately considered one of those crazy Vietnam Veterans.
My favorite movie is First Blood (the only one) because it was closest to how we were treated, wether we were in-country or not.
These days I just smile at their contrary beliefs and go live life.
I am a life member of VVA.

Response by 1SG John V. made Aug 10 at 2022 11:24 PM

1SG John V. — Wed, 10 Aug 2022 23:24:15 -0400

Ignore them. You served, did what the military asked of you. What others think shouldn’t matter.

Response by SPC Paul Barwick made Aug 11 at 2022 9:43 PM

SPC Paul Barwick — Thu, 11 Aug 2022 21:43:01 -0400

People who want to differentiate between those who were deployed and those who were not are not worth the effort of thinking about. I, who served 18 months in Vietnam, know that every service member, in every branch, who has ever donned a uniform is a Veteran, and is my brother or sister. You were willing to go where ever your company needed you. You owe no one any excuse for doing what you were ordered to do. Thank you for serving!

Response by SN Russell Helberg made Aug 12 at 2022 2:01 AM

SN Russell Helberg — Fri, 12 Aug 2022 02:01:12 -0400

you do not have to deploy to look death in the face. i joined the coast guard in 1962 when nam was getting started and spent the whole four years in the frisco bay area. in that time i was on a lot of S,A.R. missions in the bay and out at sea. picked up the jumpers off the golden gate bridge and a lot of bodies that had been in the water a bit to long-------

Response by MSgt George Murray made Aug 12 at 2022 5:23 AM

MSgt George Murray — Fri, 12 Aug 2022 05:23:43 -0400

I would ask them, why didn't you serve? I can bet you won't get an answer. I've come across this situation a few times.

Response by Sgt Ed Bowers made Aug 12 at 2022 9:18 AM

Sgt Ed Bowers — Fri, 12 Aug 2022 09:18:58 -0400

Were that me I would ignore the question, turn my back on that idiot and just walk away. So many civilians have NO clue about the military. You put your hand up took the oath and served. While all that civilian did was put up his hand and picked his nose!

Response by CPO David R. D. made Aug 12 at 2022 3:21 PM

CPO David R. D. — Fri, 12 Aug 2022 15:21:55 -0400

Interesting to see that this initial post was started on 31 Jan 2015, and it still keeps popping up, and here we are in August 2022.

My 2 cents, we had a saying in the Navy, of which I retired from Active Duty service in 2016. When someone started whining and crying and complaining about how bad their job was or how good other Sailors had it, the saying goes like this;

"Pick your Rate, Pick your Fate".

My first visit to MEPs resulted in my first contract stating I was going to be a Data Systems Tech (DS). Three days before I was scheduled to depart for Boot Camp in San Diego (Jan 1991), my recruiter called me and said I could switch to CTR or he was going to cut up my contract and I would not be allowed to Enlist. I told him I had to talk to my wife, because I didn't know what a Cryptologist was or did. My wife wasn't home, but I immediately called my dad, a retired AMSC ('58-'79) and asked him was a Cryptologist was/is. He didn't know. I then called a family friend, an Active duty Commander, long family heritage of Navy service, his dad was a Pearl Harbor survivor and was on the USS NEVADA during the attack. He told me I would be a "Spy", have a really high security clearance, and best of all, I wouldn't have to go to Sea. Cryptologists had a OCONUS/INCONUS rotation, not a SEA/SHORE rotation.
I called the recruiter back and told him to make the switch, having been a Navy dependent, I could totally handle being in the Navy and NOT go to sea.

After completing Recruit Training at Orlando, FL; "A" school at Ft Devens, MA, and "C" schools in Pensacola, FL, guess where my first command was. USS ARKANSAS (CGN-41). I thought my friend had lied to me, CTR's weren't supposed to go to Sea. My 24 years on Active Duty saw me serve on four ships with shore duty assignments sprinkled in between.
I would have to say, the ARKANSAS was and will always be my best tour.
I honestly believe what made my tours amazing, where the people that crossed my path. Granted, Puerto Rico and Hawaii, were pretty amazing tours when it came to "Liberty" time, just something about island and beach life.

I'm so glad I didn't pick an engineering rate, those guys are worked to death and beaten into the deck, especially before an ORSE or INSURVE or any other ATG guided inspection. I usually got to go home at a normal time when the ship was in port, and my work center, as a Cryptologist, was always in an Air Conditioned space, which was mighty nice while the ship did circles and squares in the Persian Gulf. I mean really, we were wearing foul weather jackets in SSES, while the BM's and Deck Seamen were outside in the 120 degree temps.

Again, "Pick your Rate, Pick your Fate".

Bottom line, if a person serves their country honorably, never be ashamed of the assignments you were given. A veteran, who served honorably, can stand with Pride and Joy in that service to this country.

. . . . anyway, just my opinion.

Response by SPC Donald Charlson made Aug 12 at 2022 3:37 PM

SPC Donald Charlson — Fri, 12 Aug 2022 15:37:59 -0400

As a veteran, you, like everyone else who served, went where they were ordered.

Response by Cpl David Fulks made Aug 13 at 2022 5:36 PM

Cpl David Fulks — Sat, 13 Aug 2022 17:36:05 -0400

Don’t worry about it! You know what you did that’s what counts!

Response by SGT David Burns made Aug 14 at 2022 5:49 PM

SGT David Burns — Sun, 14 Aug 2022 17:49:39 -0400

So what if you weren't deployed or saw battle. You volunteered for it which is more than I can say for the civilian. I never saw battle or was deployed but I was involved in the longest running and probably the most dangerous war. The Cold War over Nuclear weapons. I'm just as proud as if I has been deployed to battle. If war was to start on our soil you better believe I will be 100% fighting with my veteran brothers.

Response by MSgt Bruce Hutchinson made Aug 18 at 2022 7:00 AM

MSgt Bruce Hutchinson — Thu, 18 Aug 2022 07:00:48 -0400

My question to the original poster, why the hell are you worried about what others think of your service? My original AFSC was finance, definitely not a combat troop but we all had jobs to do to serve the defense of this republic. My second afsc wasn’t combat either, but I was closer to it all. I deployed multiple times and am proud of it, however my contribution in garrison was just as important, your contribution was important too. So if someone is giving you a hard time about not deploying, turn around bend over and tell them to kiss you ass

Response by SPC Susan Glass made Aug 18 at 2022 7:41 AM

SPC Susan Glass — Thu, 18 Aug 2022 07:41:04 -0400

I feel that anyone that puts on the uniform is a step ahead of the general population. We are willing to deploy if we have too or provide the support at the commands at home . Every job done in the military is a integral part of the mission. The fact that you served state side is just as important ! The commands at home provides the support and expertise that soldier's abroad would not be able to function effectively without.

Response by SGT Peter Cabrel made Aug 21 at 2022 12:07 PM

SGT Peter Cabrel — Sun, 21 Aug 2022 12:07:44 -0400

What do We call those veterans that served during WWI?
What do We call those veterans that served during WWII?
What do We call those veterans that served during Korean War?

Response by CW5 William Gasaway made Aug 24 at 2022 8:41 AM

CW5 William Gasaway — Wed, 24 Aug 2022 08:41:02 -0400

When I was in, I gave birth month classes that said, Ignore idiots who don't know how important you are to the entire effort. If the best doctor in the world walks into a dirty OR and does his best job, his patient has a 50/50 chance of dying from infection so how important is the housekeeping staff? His normal death rate is 98%. If the same doctor in that same surgery asks for a suture and clamp to stop an artery bleed and nothing is there, his patient has a 100% chance of dying so how important is that supply chain soldier?
The point, SPC, is we are a team and no matter how lowly your tasks or where they are done then the team fails if YOU don't do your part. The next time some idiot denigrates your service, simply say "At least, I was willing to volunteer and do MY part to keep the team operational. I did what was asked and needed by the team. What's your excuse?
BTW, I was deployed several times and shot at more than once. Didn't like it. Did I kill anyone? Who knows? I never looked, although the incoming fire did stop when I fired. What I can tell you is almost all the time and certainly every time I got deployment orders I asked myself "Why can't I be one of those lucky b@#$%rds who get to stay home?" Rather than doubt yourself or let one of those "non-volunteers" denigrate your service, I suggest you bless your luck in not getting deployed. You can bet I would give up my Bronze Star if it meant I didn't have to ever be deployed. Honestly, I don't know anyone who liked or volunteered for deployments. Everyone I knew complained about them or worried about them and family.

Response by SP5 Carl Hollander made Aug 30 at 2022 6:07 PM

SP5 Carl Hollander — Tue, 30 Aug 2022 18:07:06 -0400

According to the dictionary --Veteran is " One who has been a member of the Armed Forces" Those civilians don't know the definition of "veteran" and I wouldn't waste my time trying to teach them.

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Sep 11 at 2022 9:47 PM

MAJ Hugh Blanchard — Sun, 11 Sep 2022 21:47:25 -0400

You have every right to be proud of your service. When you signed that contract, you signed a blank check made out to the United States of America. That check was payable on demand by the U.S. Government and the amount to be paid was up to, and including, the cost of your life.

How many of these privileged professional critics ever volunteered to do anything unpleasant or hard? How many of them have stood guard mount with live rounds on a rainy night in a thunderstorm due to a terrorism alert? Or done a long cross-country march with a 60 pound pack, followed by maybe three hours of sleep and another march the next day?

Hold your head up, you stood your post while others slept in warm comfort, and they were made safe by the efforts of better men. And those better men include you.

Response by LCpl Stephen Arnold made Sep 21 at 2022 7:26 PM

LCpl Stephen Arnold — Wed, 21 Sep 2022 19:26:36 -0400

You signed a contract, without a pistol to the back of your head, and joined an ALL VOLUNTEER force, which that pinhead (my usual language gets me in trouble!) could very well have done as well and didn't. Kindly remind him (or her) that they couldn't carry your jock and move on. Now, if a decorated Ranger or Marine wants to give you some good heard shit about it, that's a different story. You're only given a finite amount of f()<KS in life, this prick should be given ZERO! Thanks for your service, Man (and, in the future, tell the prick "YOU ARE WELCOME FOR MY SERVICE" and wink at his wife cuz she knows she married a pussy!

Response by SrA Anita Baker made Sep 22 at 2022 6:23 AM

SrA Anita Baker — Thu, 22 Sep 2022 06:23:23 -0400

I believe that the 2% that actually raise their hand and say to our country, "I write you a blank check up to and including my life in service to you and your citizens" is a veteran whether or not they have seen combat. I think you, like myself asked yourself questions like "am I willing to die to protect the people I love, the country I love and the way of life we have in the United States" before joining, and that is the important part: you were willing to die to keep others free. I will tell people that since only 2% of Americans are willing to serve, means that I am in a very elite and honorable group and I would not have it any other way.

Response by SP5 Lynn Circle made Sep 22 at 2022 11:03 AM

SP5 Lynn Circle — Thu, 22 Sep 2022 11:03:29 -0400

Tell him to go fuck himself. You signed the blank check, just like the rest of us, and went where Umcle Sammy sent you.

I served two years in Asis, but never in a combat zone and in a unit which no longer exists (Army Security Agenxy). So. I am not a combat veteran, but i AM a veteran, just like you.

Response by SMSgt Matthew Hoyer made Sep 22 at 2022 5:31 PM

SMSgt Matthew Hoyer — Thu, 22 Sep 2022 17:31:43 -0400

Give em the old golf-fox-yankee

Response by LCpl Odell Taylor made Sep 23 at 2022 9:37 AM

LCpl Odell Taylor — Fri, 23 Sep 2022 09:37:41 -0400

Every LOYAL American, whether it be the tinker, tailor, Indian Chief, or candlestick maker, that contributes positively toward the advancement and furtherance of WE, the PEOPLE of the GREATEST NATION to have ever existed upon this earth is IMPORTANT! That would include BOTH, Civilian and US Military Personnel...regardless of where their LEGAL and HONORABLE occupation and/or situation has them positioned in the greater scheme of life. And...that SCHEME should always be put before SELF!

As for your reluctance of considering yourself worthy of being classified as a US Military Veteran, with limited benefits earned, SOMEONE had to do the job you did. Why not it be YOU? Research the LEGAL definition set in place by the US Military and the criteria that must be met to qualify to be recognized by those that make the decisions as such. Consider yourself blessed and fortunate to have never had to face such adversity! Btw...I speak from the vantage point of experience...with no shame.

Have A Nice Day...Molon Labe...Semper Fi

Response by PO3 John Fahrer made Sep 23 at 2022 12:05 PM

PO3 John Fahrer — Fri, 23 Sep 2022 12:05:36 -0400

I did not make any choice as to where the Navy sent me. I did not go aboard a ship, and was a dry land Sailor. I was a Aircraft Firefighter. I worked many hours at a time with no sleep (up to 40) standing by to rescue pilots who crashed while learning to land on a simulated aircraft deck. I did my part, worked very hard, and went where I was sent. I deserve as much respect for my service as anyone else.

Response by SGT Gary Stemen made Sep 26 at 2022 3:16 PM

SGT Gary Stemen — Mon, 26 Sep 2022 15:16:38 -0400

There are many other manners in which you as a military member provides service to the public not the least of being on call 24/7 for the duration of your tenure... Can't count the number of times I was on alert due to storms or other natural disasters, sometimes as traffic control, others as construction, shoring up, or razing structures lost to fire, flood or wind... That does not include alerts for actual deployment offshore.... If they have not been there, they will never understand....

Response by SPC Terri Robards made Sep 29 at 2022 5:27 AM

SPC Terri Robards — Thu, 29 Sep 2022 05:27:02 -0400

Boy this question really Hit Home with Me ...... I also Served by Choice, (Enlisted Delayed Entry 9 Months before I Graduated High School in 1978, and Then went Active in 1979
Did Basic and School, then off to Germany, and a couple years ago I learned that I can identify as "Cold War" Veteran ..... But in addressing Your Question, I also would like to see what Answers show up ..... Because My Son in-Law made a similar Statement to Me ..... Had the Nerve to say I wasn't a REAL Veteran because I didn't go to Combat .... I told Him that I served during Peace Time, Volunteered to help Keep the Peace in Europe while The "WALL" WAS STILL UP (Not Pink Floyd's)
But I can Identify as a Proud (Female) Veteran ..... But he Couldn't ....... And I served and Trained along side Men ..... The W.A.C.'s disband in 1978
I can proudly say That My Mother was One

Response by SGT Ruben Lozada made Oct 1 at 2022 6:22 PM

SGT Ruben Lozada — Sat, 01 Oct 2022 18:22:44 -0400

But They forgot that You served this country.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 7 at 2022 5:43 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Oct 2022 17:43:47 -0400

Stand your ground because you are wearing that Uniform which has a long and respected history of Service to Country, smile and tell them " At your Service " whether you like it or not

Response by PO2 Christopher Foss made Oct 12 at 2022 6:41 AM

PO2 Christopher Foss — Wed, 12 Oct 2022 06:41:49 -0400

It does not matter that you never deployed, it matters that you were willing to.
Insults, and that is what this was, are like poisons; they only work if taken.
Thank you for your Service!

Response by Sgt Steve Williams made Oct 20 at 2022 4:46 PM

Sgt Steve Williams — Thu, 20 Oct 2022 16:46:20 -0400

Like every veteran, I went where they told me,when they told me.

Response by SGT Jonathan Ewell made Oct 26 at 2022 8:55 PM

SGT Jonathan Ewell — Wed, 26 Oct 2022 20:55:36 -0400

There's a Bible scripture regarding an ancient King in Israel where even the other soldiers were telling the one's that stayed behind to guard the equipment that they could not participate in the spoil. King David said that those that stayed with the gear receive the same reward as those that saw combat

Response by SPC John Williams made Nov 2 at 2022 10:59 AM

SPC John Williams — Wed, 02 Nov 2022 10:59:34 -0400

I feel lucky I was not deployed. I am blessed and thankful to know many who were. If someone thinks less of my service... they might be a dumbass.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Nov 2 at 2022 11:13 AM

GySgt William Hardy — Wed, 02 Nov 2022 11:13:38 -0400

Once you are in the military, where you serve is depending upon where the military deems you most in need. Your friend is grossly ignorant of how the military works and the definition of a veteran. Anyone who serves 6 or more months is a veteran as per the DOD requirements for being eligible for Veteran Benefits. I had served 2 years stateside before I finally got orders to Nam where others left their training and were shipped to Nam within 5 months. One of my co-workers was drafted into the Army and was sent to Germany as a clerk. That wasn't his choice, that was the draw of the straw.

Did your civilian friend ever serve? I doubt it with that stupid statement. You can always say you served and you could have been called up for hazardous duty at anytime. Your civilian never had the nerve to do that much.

Response by SFC Larry Jones made Nov 3 at 2022 1:26 AM

SFC Larry Jones — Thu, 03 Nov 2022 01:26:46 -0400

I served 20 years and never deployed, largely because my last eleven years were in Recruiting Command. I was providing the strength to our Army so we had people to send down range. I ruined my health while doing so and am now a completely disabled veteran. No one will tell me I am not a veteran. As Colonel Stoneking so aptly points out, ask the wimpy civilian when, where, and in what branch he served. When he can answer that question, maybe, just maybe, you can provide him an answer. Make no mistake. You are a veteran and no one can take that away from you.

Response by SGT Erick Holmes made Nov 3 at 2022 10:04 AM

SGT Erick Holmes — Thu, 03 Nov 2022 10:04:39 -0400

So for some or many of us our units either didn't need us to go go overseas or other things came up that prevented us from going. For me the first go around on not getting deployed was I just joined and needed to go to basic training. The 2nd time was an aviation unit was looking for a welder to go with them but he or she needed to be an aviation certified. I wasn't certified and nor was that unit going to send someone to school and miss the whole deployment. The third time was I was getting out and they just change the rule that stop loss was not happening anymore. With what I said does that make me a sh^tbag Soldier? Some say yes others will say no. The point that I'm making is that I served honorably for 9 years. Although I never deployed I worked with units that were deployed and they needed stuff from satellite cell phones to supplies to getting their children into the dentist for a routine checkup to finding a babysitter in a moments noticed. A VETERAN is someone who will defend the constitution of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA against ALL enemies foreign and domestic. If that means that some Soldiers has to stay behind in order to help other Soldiers and their families while they are overseas then so be it. To me that is a Veteran. A person who is ready on the ready. I could 1000% wrong but for those who never served do not understand it.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Nov 3 at 2022 10:50 AM

1SG James Kelly — Thu, 03 Nov 2022 10:50:24 -0400

I'd tell ya but it would all be redacted.

Response by 1st Lt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2022 11:25 PM

1st Lt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Nov 2022 23:25:35 -0400

"How are you even a veteran then? You didn't even serve your country." I'll take s**t that never happened for a $1000 Alex. I have 0 % confidence that anyone actually said that to you. Maybe instead of making up obvious bs victimhood scenarios, you ask yourself why you never volunteered to deploy? It is clearly bothering you. Don't badmouth imaginary people to make yourself into a victim. "how can I stop this feeling nagging at me?" Man up and own your decisions.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 4 at 2022 7:59 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Nov 2022 19:59:42 -0400

Dude I did deploy and I still feel like there was no value to my service. Don't let the idiot who didn't even sign up to try, bother you.

Response by PO3 Andrew Kelly made Nov 5 at 2022 12:27 AM

PO3 Andrew Kelly — Sat, 05 Nov 2022 00:27:55 -0400

I spent most of my time in the Navy in an outfit where the first thing they told us was that neither our unit nor anything we did would ever make the news unless things hit the fan in a rather grievous manner. (our sister unit learned that the hard way). Our operational personnel went to their tasks unarmed knowing that if things turned hot they were a priority target yet they flew their missions day in and day out without fail. We had/have nothing to prove to anyone, anywhere, and are/were content to know we have served well and were doing a job every bit as important as any line infantry grunt or fighter pilot.
Every posting adds to the effectiveness of the whole. I was not some model Sailor by any means but I take pride in the time I served and the job I did. The details are not up for discussion, service is service. Especially if the other party never took the oath and signed that blank check to our nation signed in our blood and sacred honor.

Response by SFC Robert Strickland made Nov 5 at 2022 11:08 AM

SFC Robert Strickland — Sat, 05 Nov 2022 11:08:24 -0400

Merriam Webster online definition 1a of a Veteran ": a former member of the armed forces"

There were those I was aware of that did actively duck out of deployments but if one's number just didn't come up that's just the luck of the draw. If one was there and would go if selected, there is NO shame in that.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 6 at 2022 12:44 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Nov 2022 12:44:13 -0500

I think the first question you have to ask yourself is "why do I think this person deserves an answer?". The next question you have to ask yourself is "who is this person that is asking and why does he/she think he/she deserves an answer?" Civilians who have no idea about military service have got their ideas from movies that have no relationship to reality. Any given military operation has more people supporting it than people on the line. And of the people who ARE on the line, not everyone gets involved in actual combat... and of those who do... well, you get the idea.

"Military service" entails involvement in every single step of the process: from the person flying recon drones from an air conditioned control room in Arizona, to the person involved in procurement planning in the Pentagon, to the person pulling guard duty in a CONUS base, to the logistics planning person who never left the Green Zone, to the person assigned to a unit that was not deployed, and so on. Everyone has a mission. Sometime that mission involves deployment. Sometimes it doesn't. "Military service" refers to being willing to serve and fulfill the particular missions you were assigned. "Veteran" means having conducted your military service - whatever and wherever it was - honorably, and being willing to accept the potential sacrifices required if they are asked of you. It is that WILLINGNESS that defines you are a veteran who has served his country.

What you do specifically is not for you to decide. That will depend on the nation's needs at any given moment. That need might be maintaining a vehicle at a US depot prior to its shipment someplace. Or it might be helping people who are stuck in flood areas. Or it might be holding a defense line somewhere. But they are ALL legitimate needs and they are ALL legitimate service.

You need to understand the "big picture" to understand what your role in it was. The military is a huge organization. Not everybody gets deployed, and [again] you - personally - do not make that decision. Of those who get deployed, not everybody goes to a combat zone. Of those who go to a combat zone, not everybody is involved in direct combat. In fact, overall, about 90% of US soldiers are NOT even involved in direct combat. Out of every 10 soldiers, only 1 is involved in direct combat. So... are we now going to argue that 9 out of 10 soldiers (90%) "didn't serve"? Or "are not really veterans?"

But the main issue here is that you have put "power" in somebody else (someone who DIDN'T serve - who DIDN'T have the WILLINGNESS) to define the nature of your honorable service. Who gave that person that power? No one, to my knowledge, unless YOU give it to them. The quality of your service is not defined by the latest movie script as developed by some anti-war hack. It's determined and defined by YOUR willingness and the job YOU did... no matter WHERE you were assigned.

You certainly have my full respect for having had the guts to step up and say "Here I am; send me!" (to quote Isaiah). Don't let anybody take that away from you. It is a step many are not willing to take.

Response by PV2 Lora Blankenship made Nov 6 at 2022 4:45 PM

PV2 Lora Blankenship — Sun, 06 Nov 2022 16:45:25 -0500

My response would be: Well first they taught me how to skillfully kill people. Then they taught me how to put your guts back in and stabilize you until the Medics arrive. And last, after all this, they taught me how to function and have a real job in life while being prepared to deploy and save your a** at any moment in time that our leadership in government asks or demands me to do so. Have you deployed????????Hurah!

Response by SGT Charles Holmes made Nov 6 at 2022 5:26 PM

SGT Charles Holmes — Sun, 06 Nov 2022 17:26:30 -0500

Every job/duty is serving your country! I went in Army Air Defense in 1969 - I never deployed, but was stationed on a dual Nuke Site (24 Nukes) I was part of the 2 man safe for the code books - We were at 5 minute launch status at least once a month - So if somebody questions me - they can kiss where the sun don't shine - thanx for your service! Be proud!

Response by CW3 Susan Burkholder made Nov 6 at 2022 5:42 PM

CW3 Susan Burkholder — Sun, 06 Nov 2022 17:42:24 -0500

Never mind, a post from 8 years ago. Stupid Rally Point.

Response by SGT James Hunsinger made Nov 7 at 2022 1:02 AM

SGT James Hunsinger — Mon, 07 Nov 2022 01:02:30 -0500

Not everyone deploys and that yahoo that said that to you damn sure didn't. You wrote the blank check by taking the oath and signing the dotted line. You are a veteran and that guy is a nobody that knows nothing and just wishes he could say he was a veteran. Sounds like jealousy to me. One percent of us knowingly put our lives on the line by volunteering, not knowing what the geopolitical environment would be from moment to moment or where we might be sent or even if harms way would just find its way to us on its own. But you showed up for the show and you played your part until the end of your act. That is all any of us can ask of one another, and who gives a damn what anyone who has not served has to say about it? They don't and can't understand the sacrifices each and everyone makes and they don't have a clue how important each one of us is to the others. We are a unique family that understands what it means to be a part of something larger than ourselves that is so important.

Next time you run into that simply ask back "Have you served?" When they say no, close it with "Then what would you know about it?" Then leave them hanging because anything else they say at that point doesn't matter.

Hang tough brother. We all need to have each others back, that's what it is all about.

Response by PO1 Roger VanOrman made Nov 7 at 2022 8:43 PM

PO1 Roger VanOrman — Mon, 07 Nov 2022 20:43:16 -0500

Truthfully I wouldn't worry about it. I served 20 yrs in the Navy and never a day on a ship so some would say I'm not a real sailor. There are plenty of jobs that don't take you to the front lines. Even if your job would have taken you there, there are just so many positions there to fill. You did you service. Take solace in the fact that you did serve to the best of your abilities and don't let some small minded pin head make you feel otherwise.

Response by Cpl Craig Howard made Nov 8 at 2022 12:34 AM

Cpl Craig Howard — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 00:34:00 -0500

I see no where that you owe anyone an explanation, unless you want to give one. I was deployed during the 1st Gulf War. Not everyone who was active duty was deployed. There were so many people in all parts of the world that supported the effort in the Gulf. We would not have done what we did if not for that support. As long as you served with dignity and honor, hold your head high and know we are with you as you were with us. Thanks for your service.

Response by SSgt Michael Bowen made Nov 8 at 2022 7:19 PM

SSgt Michael Bowen — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 19:19:44 -0500

To Civilians you don't need to value your service to anyone that has never served . As for not being deployed the value of your service is not where you served it's how you served . So you don't need to value your service to us that have been deployed because we already know your value is your service .

Response by SSgt Michael Bowen made Nov 8 at 2022 7:24 PM

SSgt Michael Bowen — Tue, 08 Nov 2022 19:24:11 -0500

To Civilians you don't need to justify the value of your service to anyone that has never served . As for not being deployed the value of your service is not where you served it's how you served . So you don't need to value your service to us that have been deployed because we already know the value of your service is your service .

Response by LtCol Paul Bowen made Nov 9 at 2022 8:17 AM

LtCol Paul Bowen — Wed, 09 Nov 2022 08:17:39 -0500

Tell them Clint Eastwood served his enlistment as a swimming pool lifeguard at Monterey, California.

We all can’t be lion tamers.

Response by LCpl Glenn Kellar made Nov 9 at 2022 1:50 PM

LCpl Glenn Kellar — Wed, 09 Nov 2022 13:50:24 -0500

We know how important the functions of POG's. Knowing pay records are correct, beans and bullets are being replaced and effective medical is available if needed. Yeah, those folks are not dodging bullets but are integral to the bullet dodgers efforts. Any one who honorably wore the uniform deserves recognition

Response by SFC Kandi Temple made Dec 10 at 2022 12:48 PM

SFC Kandi Temple — Sat, 10 Dec 2022 12:48:24 -0500

People are jerks. You served your country, no matter where you served your country. I know Vietnam-era vets who always feel to make it a point that they didn't get sent to Vietnam, or that they requested to go to Vietnam, but was sent elsewhere. I tell them I'm so glad they didn't get deployed. Look at the damage war, especially that one, does to Soldiers. When you signed up, the willingness was there, and that's all that matters when it comes down to it. You just can't worry about what other people think. It's hard, but their opinion doesn't matter.

Response by PO1 Mike Wallace made Dec 10 at 2022 8:34 PM

PO1 Mike Wallace — Sat, 10 Dec 2022 20:34:49 -0500

I'd say you obviously are ignorant of what a veteran is...and walk away.

Response by MSgt George Murray made Dec 11 at 2022 7:08 AM

MSgt George Murray — Sun, 11 Dec 2022 07:08:16 -0500

You don't have to deploy to serve your country. As soon as you raised your hand and to the day you received your DD214 you became a veteran. Non-military people, or a least some, don't understand.

Response by SPC Justine Blankenbeckler made Dec 11 at 2022 1:24 PM

SPC Justine Blankenbeckler — Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:24:55 -0500

One thing I learned in life is to Never care what other's think of what you did or have done. I was never deployed. My husband was. You are letting someone else disrupt your life while you should be enjoying it. They may know that they are getting under your skin, ignore it. Childish!!. Go on with better things. Happy Holidays!!

Response by CPL Chase Hobson made Dec 11 at 2022 2:21 PM

CPL Chase Hobson — Sun, 11 Dec 2022 14:21:30 -0500

Hey man, thank you for posting this. It's been very encouraging to see all the comments below. I commend your courage in posting it , and you should be proud.

Response by SPC Kenneth Reason made Dec 11 at 2022 2:27 PM

SPC Kenneth Reason — Sun, 11 Dec 2022 14:27:12 -0500

Respond ! Don't . My hopes are that you did a job. A job you learned . Gained friends that you worked with. I would suggest to remember that you volunteered for service to our country. So just smile if you can. Walk away from what ever fool that said this to you . They who stated this to you may be a non- military person or military person. They are not you . Be happy with the job you did . Because it is for your country . My Country ...

Response by SFC James Corona made Dec 11 at 2022 7:40 PM

SFC James Corona — Sun, 11 Dec 2022 19:40:36 -0500

You answer and reply; "you took a solemn OATH TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION" etc .......and followed orders to you were needed.
If it was CONUS, OVERSEAS, or COMBAT ZONE, you served and ARE A VETERAN. You don't need to explain anything to them just like John Wayne (war movie star) or Sylvester Stallone (Rambo) who never served in uniform.

Response by SPC Anna Larson made Dec 11 at 2022 8:25 PM

SPC Anna Larson — Sun, 11 Dec 2022 20:25:01 -0500

I'm an in-between wars veteran. I was on "stand-by" once. But I was also injured on duty and have a VA assigned disability rating. I guess because I'm female, no one questions it. I spent my 4 years active duty at Ft. Huachuca AZ while my hubby was deployed to Bahrain, and Korea in those 4 years. In some ways, it depends on the MOS and the needs of the service. I've had people doubt my service solely based on my gender, but I don't let it bother me. Let it roll off your back. Or else, just say I was station based on the needs of the military, and leave it a that.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Dec 11 at 2022 11:29 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 11 Dec 2022 23:29:49 -0500

F@ck them and the horse they rode on.

Response by COL Carl Jensen made Dec 12 at 2022 9:51 AM

COL Carl Jensen — Mon, 12 Dec 2022 09:51:52 -0500

Spent my time as a REMF state side. OK, I was profiled out of danger, but the Army allowed me to stay and serve regardless. My talent was in demand. Not as an artist, but as an instructor. Every time I went away to a school course, they wanted me to stay on as an instructor. I started in the Army as a drafted school teacher. I ended up teaching C&GS but attached to the USAR. Most of the military is not deployed because someone has to handle the rear, and there is a lot of rear to cover to support the front. Being in is being in no mater what your MOS was. You were there to serve and prepared to go anywhere you were needed. Many would prefer being mobilized and having their ticket punched, but momma Army said, nope we need you here.

Response by SGT Mary G. made Dec 12 at 2022 2:49 PM

SGT Mary G. — Mon, 12 Dec 2022 14:49:29 -0500

How about questions as a response . . . something like . . . You think that choosing to put my life on the line when I signed up doesn't make me a veteran? Why is that?

Perhaps you could mention something about trusting civilians to require government to make the right choices for our nation that do not include misuse of our military . . . and how that hasn't worked out so well . . .

Response by MSgt Frank Askins made Dec 12 at 2022 5:50 PM

MSgt Frank Askins — Mon, 12 Dec 2022 17:50:28 -0500

"some kind of princess who can't get up and brush himself off"

Trying to not offend anyone by calling a "princess" a "himself"?

To answer your question....why do you feel it necessary to defend yourself to someone who probably knows nothing about "serving". They probably think that anyone who "served" was in the actual battle and don't realize that all those supplies, food, etc., didn't just magically appear. It takes people 'in the rear with the gear" to make sure the battle can be fought in the first place. Ignore them!

Response by MSgt Mike (Lobo VNV Original) Morrow made Dec 15 at 2022 3:13 PM

MSgt Mike (Lobo VNV Original) Morrow — Thu, 15 Dec 2022 15:13:54 -0500

You served even if you didn't deploy. Look the numb nuts in the eye and ask what they did for our country. Of course, you could just ignore the idiot.

Response by Cpl Roman Makuch made Dec 19 at 2022 10:16 AM

Cpl Roman Makuch — Mon, 19 Dec 2022 10:16:44 -0500

I had an uncle who arrived at Normandy on D+1, whit the Big Red 1. He was a Combat Lineman. Was awarded the Silver Star at the Bulge. His best friend was a radioman that spent the war in England. There were two things that would set him off. A claim that someone's service didn't really count because of what the did or where they were stationed. He also despised the veneration of Purple Heart recipients. He got his PH while sleeping.
At his VFW Post, he would go off on fellow WWII vets, that would tell the Vietnam vets that they were not welcome because they lost their war. He insisted that all veterans be treated the same. 10 years ago he passed away, but his legacy remains. That Post is still going strong and all veterans are welcome, you just need to qualify to join.

Response by SN Russell Helberg made Dec 25 at 2022 10:48 AM

SN Russell Helberg — Sun, 25 Dec 2022 10:48:19 -0500

in my day they used to call us baby killers now they thank me for my service, all i can say is---screw em all and move on--russ helberg united states coast guard 1962 to 1966

Response by SSgt Edward Collins made Jan 14 at 2023 1:03 AM

SSgt Edward Collins — Sat, 14 Jan 2023 01:03:23 -0500

Opposite spectrum same way we delt with them when we returned from Vietnam. 71-72 Cam Rahn Bay Air Base

Response by SSG William Hommel made Jan 19 at 2023 11:40 AM

SSG William Hommel — Thu, 19 Jan 2023 11:40:25 -0500

I can relate to your feelings. I was active nearly 11 years. I was an interrogator, but had grown computer and programming skills through special assignments and developed a rash dream that I could 'get rich' working in that industry. I otherwise would have remained a lifer; I was on the ANCOC list and would probably have been E7 in my 12th year. But I did ETS to chase that foolish dream.

In all my active years, I often wondered how I would hold up if I were ever deployed to a war zone. When the sh!t hit the fan in the middle east, it REALLY ate at me. A lot and for a long time.
But I eventually realized that my years of grinding way with tiny paychecks were service. I and all my sisters and brothers were indeed serving, ensuring America was at the ready to defend itself. Also, this helped me to decide I could keep helping through Wounded Warrior.
Civilians often don't have a clue what peacetime service can be like. I think it's worth calmly explaining when asked, but if they don't immediately demonstrate a sincere interest in learning, walk away and keep your head high, brother vet. The uninformed opinions of an ignorant few are meaningless.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2023 12:32 AM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Jan 2023 00:32:31 -0500

I think this is the situation where you should employ those three magic words...

Go F...

Er, sorry...

"Bless your heart."

Response by SPC Rich Tadrzynski made Feb 4 at 2023 3:25 AM

SPC Rich Tadrzynski — Sat, 04 Feb 2023 03:25:36 -0500

I served from 1959 to 1962. Prior to viet nam but during the same era. I would NEVER tell someone that I served in Viet nam because I didn't. I suppose I did nothing memorable in service, but you know what? I SERVED. So did you. The assholes that ask you what you did, you can tell them I did something you didn't do, I served I did it because it was my duty. If you feel you served so that other people who did not can voice their opinion, so be it, As far as I'm concerned, LET THEM SERVE, then tell me what for.

Response by James Miller made Feb 9 at 2023 2:44 PM

James Miller — Thu, 09 Feb 2023 14:44:16 -0500

Just remember inside that uniform is a civilian waiting to get out and get a government job. The VFW used to have a deployment to a foreign conflict in order to join. I think that rule has changed. Being a civilian for 41 years, I deployed twice. Afghanistan 2002 and Iraq 2003.

Response by LTC Myron Opfermann made Feb 10 at 2023 2:56 AM

LTC Myron Opfermann — Fri, 10 Feb 2023 02:56:41 -0500

Your DD214 confirms your honorable service to your country, some civilians will never understand.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2023 10:49 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:49:07 -0500

You were a hero the day you raised your right hand and swore the oath! When I was a young soldier in the 80s there were many Vietnam vets who gave us crap. I could not help that there wasn't a war at that time. After serving in many deployments since I'm glad there wasn't. You served and that's all anyone can ask.

Response by SMSgt Jeff Kyle made Feb 19 at 2023 11:14 PM

SMSgt Jeff Kyle — Sun, 19 Feb 2023 23:14:58 -0500

I served for 25 years. Four in the Marine Corps and 21 in the Air Force. I started in the early ‘80’s during the height of the Cold War. We were prepared to go wherever, whenever they told us to go. The Cold War ended, we won. No victory medals for us. Then Desert Shield/Desert Storm. My unit was serving here in the States. We deployed but not to a war zone. That’s all I can talk about that particular tour. All the bouncing around in the 90’s, I was stationed at one location up until I got a short tour to Iceland. I was part of the Iceland Defense Force and then Air Forces Iceland. Then we got to the 2000’s. 9/11 found me in the Washington DC area. If I could, I’d tell you where I was and what/why I was there for. Than the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Once again, I was assigned to a base that did not deploy. In 2005, I was sent with a made up squadron to Hurricane Katrina relief to do what we could for the survivors. Then I got hurt and I retired.
After all that I’ve done for God and Country, I more than earned the title Veteran. One summer day, not too long after I retired, I had one of my many casts on my arm. I was wearing my Marine Veteran hat. We were yard sailing and at one sale, a young lady asked me which war I was in. I didn’t go to war. Their response, “how can you be a Veteran if you’ve never been to war?” I was flummoxed. What the f$&k? A civilian thinks they can determine whether or not I was a Veteran? Bovine excrement! I didn’t go where I went to avoid war. I went where I was told and I did my very best to accomplish the mission.
You served. You were trained, prepared and equipped to go to war at anytime. A clueless civilian doesn’t determine your status. When you meet id10ts like that, just walk away. They ain’t worth your time nor energy. When they walk a mile in your shoes, then and only then can they critique your service.
SFMF

Response by MSG Darren Gaddy made Feb 24 at 2023 6:31 PM

MSG Darren Gaddy — Fri, 24 Feb 2023 18:31:25 -0500

The real fact of the matter is, is that only 0.727% (percent) of American citizens ever serve in the Military as of this year (2023). This is across the 5 military services, so it's irrelevant as to which one has the most people. As of 24 Feb 2023 the US has 336,126,223 citizens legally living in it, so you can see how small of a number the military actually represents. You let him know, that you were part of an elite group that he will never know anything about. A deployment doesn't make your service time relevant, serving your country and fellow man does.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2023 12:08 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Feb 2023 12:08:10 -0500

Ngl, fuck them. You raised your right hand. You did your time. Not everyone who joins the Army deploys.

Response by SN Arte Mccollough made Feb 25 at 2023 12:31 PM

SN Arte Mccollough — Sat, 25 Feb 2023 12:31:23 -0500

I’m 83, and still today very proud to have had the privilege to serve in the Navy.. I entered at 17 and my tour molded me into who I am today, yesterday and tomorrow. It’s easy for someone who didn’t serve to have an opinion about those that have,…. I’ve learned that an “opinion “ is much like a dog peeing on a fire hydrant…. It only matters to the dog…

Response by SCPO Rev. Dr. Thomas Peavy made Feb 25 at 2023 4:59 PM

SCPO Rev. Dr. Thomas Peavy — Sat, 25 Feb 2023 16:59:11 -0500

There are no "Second Class" Veterans. We serve where we are posted and that is sufficient. Honorable service knowns no combat parameter to qualify. The person you encountered Pi$$ed on your service and all WWII, Korean, Cold War, Vietnam Era, Gulf War and other veterans who served honorably and did not deploy or served in rear echelon.

Response by SFC Fernando Campos made Feb 25 at 2023 7:30 PM

SFC Fernando Campos — Sat, 25 Feb 2023 19:30:00 -0500

You tell those ignorant people that the minute you received your honorable DD214 you are a Veteran. Anyone that thinks that because a soldier did not deploy somewhere is not a Veteran can simply go to hell. I want anyone to look at a Cold War soldier, or any soldier that was involved in counter drug operations and utter the words "you are not a veteran" and watch your teeth get knocked out for complete ignorance. I get so tired of hearing that there are people out there so lacking in knowledge. Off my box now.

Response by SN Nicola Poitras made Feb 26 at 2023 7:31 AM

SN Nicola Poitras — Sun, 26 Feb 2023 07:31:25 -0500

Look them dead in the eye and say "I did what every good soldier does. I went where I was needed most. If that offends you, then why don't you sign up and take my place next time?"

Response by SPC Michael Fouche made Feb 26 at 2023 1:46 PM

SPC Michael Fouche — Sun, 26 Feb 2023 13:46:15 -0500

I was fortunate not to be deployed to a combat zone during my enlistment. Yes, i said it.
I was on gate duty in Stuttgart the day we bombed Libya/Gaddafy for blowing up the Berlin disco (yes, it was actually called a disco).
They bombed 232 (79 US soldiers) to kill 3 (2 US soldiers).
Thats the day i realized i was in The Army, not on holiday trying to get drunk/get laid as an 18 year old, when a local national stopped his car (as instructed), got out (as instructed, then started walking away (NOT INSTRUCTED) as I'm searching for a bomb in his car with ZERO ammo in my M-16 (pre M-4 era) or spare mags.
The lesson? I was not the target, the uniform/flag was/is. EVERY FUCKING DAY ...
I served honorably. Mostly followed orders, and was an asset to each unit i was assigned to.
All of which gives me the ability to tell asshats like your buddy Bruce to put on a uniform or fuck ALL THE WAY OFF.
It probably helps that i meant it when i swore that oath and still mean it today.
Fuck em.

Response by MAJ Montgomery Granger made Feb 26 at 2023 2:18 PM

MAJ Montgomery Granger — Sun, 26 Feb 2023 14:18:50 -0500

Ignore them. We are ONE TEAM, ONE ARMY. Each has our own piece of the mission. Accept it and then move on.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Feb 26 at 2023 4:02 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Sun, 26 Feb 2023 16:02:02 -0500

Did that civilian serveat all? No?!? Okay, they can kick rocks!

Response by SPC David Paine made Feb 26 at 2023 10:12 PM

SPC David Paine — Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:12:34 -0500

Ironic how you show military personnel in a C-17 or was it a C-5A? no matter the answer, the fact remains that I never went to war, and I thank my 'GOD' I didn't, but I was there just as you were my friend, we are all at our "Commander in Chiefs" orders #POTUS demands/request, so even though I sat on Pope AFB NC. for six hours to jump into Zaire in 1978 which never occurred to conquer the Shaba II which was a brief conflict fought in the Zairian province of Shaba (now Katanga) in 1978. The conflict broke out on 11 May 1978 after 6,500 rebels from the Congolese National Liberation Front (FNLC), a Katangese separatist militia, crossed the border from Angola into Zaire in an attempt to achieve the province's secession from the Zairian regime of Mobutu Sese Seko. The FNLC captured the important mining town of Kolwezi.[2] conflict which is now the DRC, Democratic Republic of Congo, So I "DON'T" consider myself "INELIGIBLE to be WORTHY" of the 'TITLE of VETERAN' and neither should you Specialist... we are all a team effort and I was dependent on your service, So Hold the line and hold ur chin up... here is my Salute to you Specialist, most of these liberal thought process are a real thing... they don't want us to "B" PROUD of our service chit Killaryu Clinton hated Military personnel... LoL... There all just all Maxine Water, Pelosie followers that have been 'BRAINWASHED' by Main Stream Media ie: CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC and of course CNN the COMMUNIST news Network... LoL... (JMO) and a BIG thanks to you sir for your "Consultation at Gold Coast Veterans Foundation" AIRBORNE SOLDIER... You are you Soldier, "B" all you can "B"...

Response by 1SG Joseph Dartey made Feb 27 at 2023 1:07 AM

1SG Joseph Dartey — Mon, 27 Feb 2023 01:07:26 -0500

Just look them in the eyes, say God Bless You and have a nice day.

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Feb 27 at 2023 5:11 AM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Mon, 27 Feb 2023 05:11:51 -0500

I Was Living In Central America From 14 - 16.5....
I Returned Stateside At 16.5...Waiting To Be 17.
At 17 ~ At Noon On My Birthday, Is When I Enlisted.
Assuming I'd Be Going To Vietnam. ~ Never Happened.
And I Must Admit, I've Always Felt Somewhat Guilty And Ashamed,
For NOT Serving My Country As I'd Intended....
While Others Gave Their Lives For My Country......

Response by TSgt Maria Morrison made Feb 27 at 2023 8:16 AM

TSgt Maria Morrison — Mon, 27 Feb 2023 08:16:05 -0500

Hey, I served 25 years and never deployed. Heck, I never even left the country! You ARE a vet!

Response by SSgt Derick Brock made Feb 27 at 2023 11:42 AM

SSgt Derick Brock — Mon, 27 Feb 2023 11:42:17 -0500

You know the old joke about the "chair force", right. Well, not only was I Air Force, but I was MWR, so even our peers made jokes about us. Even though I spent much of my career in less than favorable situations I still get it My standard reply was that long stare of confusion that kind of fades away and then I ignore them. Like the Col stated below- Don't waste your give a F&#*.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Feb 27 at 2023 4:10 PM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:10:29 -0500

"Go piss up a rope" would be a good answer. During the Viet Nam conflict military members who were "drafted" served in Germany, Korea, Japan, etc., but not Viet Nam. Now with that said, remember you go where you are assigned. For you it wasn't in the cards to "play in the sandbox." You served your country--that's what counts.

Response by SPC Ronald Grabski made Feb 27 at 2023 10:44 PM

SPC Ronald Grabski — Mon, 27 Feb 2023 22:44:21 -0500

Don't bother to respond. You could have been deployed at any time. There are many vets from WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and numerous lessor known conflicts that were never deployed. You and they are real vets if not necessarily combat vets.

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Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2023 12:22 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 28 Feb 2023 00:22:19 -0500

Don’t give civilians or bro vets any power over you to demean your service. You served that’s what matters. Don’t sweat the aholes dude.

Response by MSgt Janice Trojan made Feb 28 at 2023 4:39 PM

MSgt Janice Trojan — Tue, 28 Feb 2023 16:39:09 -0500

Pick me, pick me. What Col Stoneking said. And, it's a crap shoot. I was active when Desert Storm hit. Because I was on the West Coast, they activated the reserves. I was miffed. Not very kind to the reservists that didn't want to go (those thoughts were in my head). Then as a reservist, and Mobilization NCO I got to call the folks to go to war 2003. By the way, the plan was beautiful: most were home and answered their phone. Being deployed unless you are in a particular career field like Spec ops, infantry, tanks etc. Is like a bingo ball, one just pops up. I still work with vets here and met 2 nice gentleman that didn't have to go to Korea. Both were married, someone in their administration just lost their files... An intentional thing both men very nice fulfilled their time and went on.
SPC Anonymous thank you for your service.
PS How beautiful was the plan? When we returned from Duty Iraq/Afghanistan we stopped for fuel in Scotland. We could get off and have a frost cold pint in the Airport-Cheers.

Response by PFC Thomas Pendley made Feb 28 at 2023 7:45 PM

PFC Thomas Pendley — Tue, 28 Feb 2023 19:45:03 -0500

Ask him how many holidays did he give up because he had duty. Ask him how many nights sleep he gave up for guard duty or cq duty. Ask him how many nights he slept on the ground without shelter because of field problems. Then tell him to take a flying f... At a rolling donut.

Response by SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman made Mar 1 at 2023 1:50 PM

SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 13:50:20 -0500

On the day I walked into the Army recruiter's office (1967) and signed "the papers". I had no idea where the next days would take me. On that day, I summoned up every bit of courage knowing that I must be prepared to give the "final price". That is the definition of a Patriot. That is what separates you and me from those who chose to remain in the safety and comfort of their living rooms. I was certain that Vietnam was in my future, and it was.. My mother survived the Blitz in 1943 London. She knew war. On the day I deployed to Vietnam, my mother wept as I said goodbye at the airport. Facing the terror in my mother's eyes was more difficult that facing the terror of combat. I would suspect that most veterans remember the moment they pulled Mom aside and told her that they had enlisted. On that day, I/you/we... "deployed".

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Mar 1 at 2023 9:11 PM

SSG Eric Blue — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 21:11:55 -0500

I may have already answered this, but I'll answer it again: Your sacrifice, no matter how big or small, means more than the civilian WHO HAS NEVER SERVED! Their feelings about your sacrifice are irrelevant!

Response by CPT David Medley made Mar 1 at 2023 9:34 PM

CPT David Medley — Wed, 01 Mar 2023 21:34:57 -0500

You have to love this nation. You serve any way you can. I got activated 3 time's and never got deployed , buy was ready to go ! Be ready to serve at all time's !

Response by SP5 Hank Vandenburgh PhD made Mar 2 at 2023 12:52 AM

SP5 Hank Vandenburgh PhD — Thu, 02 Mar 2023 00:52:21 -0500

If you enlist, you are at risk.

Response by SPC Rebecca Cann made Mar 2 at 2023 4:26 AM

SPC Rebecca Cann — Thu, 02 Mar 2023 04:26:58 -0500

I'm a lifetime member of DAV (Disabled American Veterans), and I never deployed to the sandbox, Desert Storm (1990-91). My sister told me that I couldn't be a veteran because I never served over seas. I told her upfront that she didn't know enough about the military to even be in a conversation with me. I informed her that service organizations, such as VFW and DAV, have nothing to do with my DD-214, which reads just like every other Desert Storm veteran no matter where they served (US, Middle East or Germany): "Completed tour of duty in support of ODS/ODS (not for training). HONORABLE DISCHARGE." Then I informed my sister that I was medically boarded out because Army refused hospitalization for post-vaccination damage to immune system / cardiovascular, which persists in total debility today. I didn't quit the Army or get out of Reserve medical of my own accord. When I decided to work civil service briefly for Navy, I was granted 10 points preference over all other applicants: 5 points for veteran; 5 points for disability. Moral to the story: I can't do anything with stupid. And you can't either.

Response by SPC Rebecca Cann made Mar 2 at 2023 1:51 PM

SPC Rebecca Cann — Thu, 02 Mar 2023 13:51:27 -0500

DoD regulations specify that any service member who served on active duty during war-time is a veteran. Time on active duty for Desert Storm was shortened to 90 days from 180 days required before that short, "most toxic war". On the back of my DAV applications for membership are the following dates: From WWII thru May 1975; then anyone serving August 2, 1990 to current. Anyone who served between June 1975 and July 1990 is retired military. I am lifetime DAV member and past adjutant for Kingsville, Kleberg County, DAV Chapter, MS3 Ronchester Manangan Santiago of the USS Cole: KIA terrorist attack on October 12, 2000. I served at Fort Hood TX for the duration of Desert Storm. Anyone who served on active duty for training during those war-times is not considered a veteran. That would include most Reserves who completed basic / advanced training, and then continued as Reserve enrolled in university and / or non-deployable because of the type of Reserve unit to which they were assigned.

Response by Sgt Peter Strumolo made Mar 2 at 2023 5:47 PM

Sgt Peter Strumolo — Thu, 02 Mar 2023 17:47:28 -0500

You could always say something like this. I never had the opportunity to serve overseas. Any negative comments from them could be met with and how many years did you serve. If they answer none, you could always respond with "thought so".

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2023 12:18 PM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Mar 2023 12:18:22 -0500

You wrote that check that listed "Up and including my life", you answered the call, you went where you were told. You are as much a Veteran as the Medal of Honor recipient, Thank you for your service. I never deployed, but I answered the call every time it was made. I did my job as best I could and I am sure you did as well. Stand tall you earned it. You can't Fix Stupid.

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Response by PO1 Benjamin Nageotte made Mar 3 at 2023 6:58 PM

PO1 Benjamin Nageotte — Fri, 03 Mar 2023 18:58:57 -0500

You are a Veteran, you took the oath and made sacrifices for your country. You may not have been deployed into direct contact of a war or conflict , but you were training all the time in case the call came in. Plus you know that there are many things that go on at home that supports those whom are deployed. Not every one needs to be deployed to be part of the action. So don't feel like you are not a veteran. Just take the pride that you did your volunteer service and we're ready to take the call if you were called up to deploy and that the civilian did not .

Response by Sgt Stu Kopelman made Mar 5 at 2023 4:34 PM

Sgt Stu Kopelman — Sun, 05 Mar 2023 16:34:56 -0500

Once, a beautiful and talented singer asked a very sincere question: "When on Tuesday I sing before large audiences, people cheer and give me standing ovations. I often wonder what will happen afterwards, on Friday. I think about that upcoming performance and ask how I will feel when I can no longer measure up to the audience's expectations. It frightens me."

I think it frightens most folks. If men do well and please others, they lead a good life; but if they do poorly in the eyes of others and are looked down upon, they lead a lousy life---so they think. Yet nine billionaires have lost their way (some even taking their own life) because money, status, and position were never filling the emptiness in their hearts. External things never do.

A postman came back on Sunday on his own time to deliver a piece of mail to me he had overlooked. A rich man whose money was falling from his pockets bilked his customers and stole from them. The first one can lead his life with a head held high. He never went to Vietnam, but cared about and loved others---and it was noticed.

Response by MSG J G. Sandy Phillips made Mar 5 at 2023 8:45 PM

MSG J G. Sandy Phillips — Sun, 05 Mar 2023 20:45:24 -0500

When you take the oath, whether Active or Reserve/Guard, you pledged you life to be available for that deployment when ever, where ever, without the recourse of saying "I don't think so" or "F**k you, I Quit!" for what ever period of time. Those who question your service didn't do that. Remember that Military Service is public Service, and you didn't have the luxury of not running for reelection, or what ever sort of public service you might envision. Never feel you are not a Veteran - you stood ready to respond.

Response by SP6 Wesley Garnes made Mar 6 at 2023 5:38 AM

SP6 Wesley Garnes — Mon, 06 Mar 2023 05:38:06 -0500

I served 27 years with only one combat deployment to Iraq. One deployment to Homestead Florida after Hurricane Andrew hit. We all go where we're told when we're told. That is it. You served honorably and no civilian can judge your service other than what your Discharge reads. And as a veteran we get priority hiring over those who didn't serve. And thanks for serving btw!

Response by PO3 Bonnella Smith made Mar 6 at 2023 8:05 AM

PO3 Bonnella Smith — Mon, 06 Mar 2023 08:05:57 -0500

Sorry but not sorry!! I look them dead in the eyes and say: AT LEAST I HAD THE BALLS TO ENLIST! NO MATTER WHETHER I WAS ON LAND OR OVERSEAS, I DID THE JOB I WAS ASSIGNED TO DO! WHERE WERE YOU WHEN MY FELLOW SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN WERE IN THE MILITARY? SOME OF US HAD TO BE STATESIDE! UNTIL YOU HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT, DON'T, DO NOT, JUDGE US!! WHETHER YOU DID 1, 2, 3, 10, 20 OR EVEN 30 YEARS, YOU HAVE EARNED THE RIGHT TO BE A VETERAN OF THE UNITED STATES MILITARY!! GOD BLESS YOU!!

Response by SFC James Watters made Mar 6 at 2023 9:23 AM

SFC James Watters — Mon, 06 Mar 2023 09:23:29 -0500

First, you have to have the understanding and then just explain to them - it is the Providence of God. He is the Higher Authority and has Sovereignty over all creation, and He did not have you deploy because He had other things for you. His time is not our time, His ways are not ours, nor are our thoughts His. We trust Him, as He will take care of us.

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Response by SP5 Robert Kennedy made Mar 6 at 2023 10:23 AM

SP5 Robert Kennedy — Mon, 06 Mar 2023 10:23:51 -0500

Hey buddy, don't fret the small stuff. YOU ARE A VETERAN, nobody can take that away from you. You went through the training to be ready to go wherever the next political screwup sent you. Here's my perspective on this whole American drama that's rolling out... it seems like everything meaningful to our freedom and liberties is evaporating. Society as we once knew it is morphing into something our forefathers never anticipated... Almost all Americans know their rights - pretty remarkable, but only a few are willing to exercise the responsibilities required to keep it. You, dear man are one of THEM!

Response by Sgt David Scott made Mar 6 at 2023 3:35 PM

Sgt David Scott — Mon, 06 Mar 2023 15:35:36 -0500

Never really had a civilian confront me with this dilemma on his part, but serving in a deployment in a "War Zone" or one that is not, i.e. Okinawa, Guam or even Texas, you still were deployed as you were gone from your home and loved ones to Serve Our Country. All Stations are important in order to keep America Free.

Response by SPC Michael Rusnak made Mar 16 at 2023 9:00 PM

SPC Michael Rusnak — Thu, 16 Mar 2023 21:00:57 -0400

Michael Rusnak drafted seventh one to seventh three proud to be in US Army don't know where you are going and I ended up in Alaska and can be sent to war at any time I'm proud to be an American Veteran thank you for everyone service Michael

Response by PFC Sammie Collins made Mar 20 at 2023 1:38 PM

PFC Sammie Collins — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 13:38:54 -0400

You did step up, you did serve your country. There are so many positions in the military from the guys in country to those at the top making the big decisions like a finely tuned machine. You stepped up and enlisted and did your job. You have to understand though, it's hard for civilians to relate to where you have been and what you have done. The military world is not the civilian world and we have walked in both in some capacity. You hold your head up. Remember your time in service and don't let one persons opinion make you doubt your honorable service to this country and for your brothers and sisters you served beside. I can only image what combat/war zone service is like and hold those vets in a special place too BUT for those of us who were in uniform and doing the job out of country, we did our part too. You hold your head up.

Response by CW5 Roger Jacobs made Mar 24 at 2023 5:54 PM

CW5 Roger Jacobs — Fri, 24 Mar 2023 17:54:20 -0400

There are a lot of ignorant people in the world. You served honorably and got your DD214. We all serve at the needs of Army or whatever other branch of service. Most people who never served are totally ignorant of military service. It is up to you how you deal with whether you got deployed or not, but don't base that on what someone who never served thinks or says. Hold your head up and be proud that you served!

Response by TSgt Don Dollinger made Mar 26 at 2023 5:35 PM

TSgt Don Dollinger — Sun, 26 Mar 2023 17:35:35 -0400

I did 20 years service and retired and I never deployed. Only ever asked that question once and I looked him in the eye and said "asks the civilian who has never served a day in his life" and then walked away.

Response by SN John Dilley made Apr 12 at 2023 11:51 PM

SN John Dilley — Wed, 12 Apr 2023 23:51:52 -0400

Don't let the a**holes of the world get to you. The Service never sent you into Afghanistan. I'm sure you would have gone if they had, right? Screw 'em!!

Response by PFC Edward Krinsky made Apr 13 at 2023 11:16 AM

PFC Edward Krinsky — Thu, 13 Apr 2023 11:16:53 -0400

Simple answer is the best NO protracted conversation. Just say " I was present to do what my country asked of me. Were you?" No further comment from you is required! Repeat if the idiot doesn't understand......

Response by SSG Bob Robertson made Apr 14 at 2023 8:57 AM

SSG Bob Robertson — Fri, 14 Apr 2023 08:57:42 -0400

You punch him right in the nose.

Response by SPC Ken Roberts made Apr 14 at 2023 9:00 AM

SPC Ken Roberts — Fri, 14 Apr 2023 09:00:11 -0400

As a Peace Time veteran, I always tell people that it's not my fault that no one was brave enough to start a war with us while I was in.

Response by PO3 John Fahrer made Apr 14 at 2023 11:13 AM

PO3 John Fahrer — Fri, 14 Apr 2023 11:13:50 -0400

I am a 100% totally Service Connected Disabled Vet. I never left the USA. I served as a Crash-rescueman Aircraft firefighter. At Crown Landing NALF in CA. We worked very long hours while jet jockeys learned how to land on a simulated Aircraft deck with landing signal system. Very night hours. In addition to daily work activities. I somehow got soil fungus in my lungs. I nearly dies and spent 11 months in a Naval hospital, They treated me with a toxic drug daily, and many spinal taps. It severely damaged my kidneys, and some other organs. I am now almost 78 and my health was so damaged because of my time in the NAVY. I have suffered greatly most of my life. I was forced to go on Dialysis, for a few years, and I am just so close to going back on it. I have had cancer twice form the chemical's that was sprayed around the runways.
Now the US NAVY made the choice where I was told to serve. I did my best. I did what I was trained to do.
If anyone is so rude to suggest my service was anything less important that those who went out of the US, I have a story to make them humble. I have never had anyone be so rude. I live in Missouri where Vets are truly honored.
The Service branch is no stronger than it's weakest member. Most Service members do their best wher ever they are assigned.

Response by MSgt Laura Marbut (aka Roberts) made Apr 15 at 2023 6:49 PM

MSgt Laura Marbut (aka Roberts) — Sat, 15 Apr 2023 18:49:21 -0400

I don't know what your career field was, but there were many that were not combat assignments. I started off in Admin before I became a Recruiter for the majority of my time in. That was not a combat assignment, but I sure was proud of the kids who enlisted to wanted to serve their country. Having been an Admin person, come time when our folks got deployed, I got to cut orders and serve in the outprocessing line, assuring those people were qualified to go. I don't know how many times messages came down from AF, looking for Admin people to volunteer for overseas duty; just for my bosses to tell me up front that "no", don't even ask to go. "You're needed here." So see, there's also a great need for those who have to keep the home front going, and that's just as big a responsibility. Be proud of who you are and what you've done in serving our great Country. God bless you.

Response by CPT Keith Hood made Apr 16 at 2023 1:18 AM

CPT Keith Hood — Sun, 16 Apr 2023 01:18:49 -0400

The world is full of idiots and you will wear yourself to a frazzle if you give a @#$% what idiots think. Just shrug, say "FIDO", and go back to drinking beer.

Response by PVT Lorin Hunter made Apr 16 at 2023 2:25 PM

PVT Lorin Hunter — Sun, 16 Apr 2023 14:25:50 -0400

tell them you gave them your ablity for 3 years what did they do

Response by SGT Kenneth Partyka made Apr 16 at 2023 4:51 PM

SGT Kenneth Partyka — Sun, 16 Apr 2023 16:51:44 -0400

You signed that blank check. Did they? What if something did happen in those three years? You would have gone. They would have been playing video games and drinking Starbucks. You VOLUNTEERED to protect THEIR rights. What have they done? Probably zip.

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Apr 17 at 2023 12:22 AM

PO1 Kevin Dougherty — Mon, 17 Apr 2023 00:22:45 -0400

You signed the same blank check payable in blood as everyone else. If they have not served, and with a comment like that it's a pretty safe bet they did not, they have not earned the right to speak and are not worthy of your consideration in this.

Response by CPT Ian Stewart made Apr 19 at 2023 9:13 AM

CPT Ian Stewart — Wed, 19 Apr 2023 09:13:45 -0400

Given that less than 1% of the population put on the uniform, they have no grounds to say that you aren't a veteran. I did 23 years and I don't care if you stacked blankets in Camp Swampy for your entire hitch, you served and are as much a veteran as this old warhorse!

Response by SPC Jacob Swindell made Apr 26 at 2023 6:58 PM

SPC Jacob Swindell — Wed, 26 Apr 2023 18:58:21 -0400

Know you are blessed. Thank God you also were never deployed to a combat zone. Thank Him again you never lost a Battle Buddy. Or see death or dealt it. Seen stuff and or did you'll never get over. If you still have all your limbs; Consider your self Blessed each and every day.
And never think you didnt matter. And never think you didnt do your job to the fullest.

Response by PO3 Gregory Hott made May 7 at 2023 10:20 AM

PO3 Gregory Hott — Sun, 07 May 2023 10:20:30 -0400

I served during Vietnam and I knew a WWII veteran. I never served in Vietnam and he never left the U.S.A. We both have guilt feelings! BUT if you served you had very little control over where you were stationed, BUT if you had been sent I am sure you would have gone! YOU COMITTED YOUR LIFE TO SERVE THIS COUNTRY AND BLINDLY DID YOUR DUTY AS YOU WERE TOLD AND THAT TOOK A LOT OF COURAGE!

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Response by CSM Todd Smith made May 10 at 2023 12:34 PM

CSM Todd Smith — Wed, 10 May 2023 12:34:52 -0400

You can ask the civilian what branch of service and how many years he/she served. If they say they never served you can dismiss them as an a$$hole. Maybe by asking him/her that they might figure out that was a stupid thing to say. If not don't worry, you can't fix stupid.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2023 12:54 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 May 2023 00:54:39 -0400

People don't understand what you have done.

Like they say 9 soldiers do things so the tenth one can fire a bullet. They should just be happy you didn't have to deploy.

Response by SPC(P) Brandon Jenkins made May 11 at 2023 11:24 AM

SPC(P) Brandon Jenkins — Thu, 11 May 2023 11:24:20 -0400

Forget that guy. People who don't serve don't understand the concept that you can be called to deploy at anytime to anywhere, regardless of your mos or feelings.

Response by SSG Jason Blakeman made May 11 at 2023 1:19 PM

SSG Jason Blakeman — Thu, 11 May 2023 13:19:26 -0400

When a military member signs the "Blank Check" of enlistment/commission up to an including death and completes that obligation to the BEST of their ability they are a 100% veteran no better or no worse than any other. It's up to the government where and how you serve.

Response by SGT John Overby made May 11 at 2023 1:31 PM

SGT John Overby — Thu, 11 May 2023 13:31:12 -0400

You were enlisted to the deployment potential, but you were not the one making the deployment decisions. I was active during the Vietnam era and was "deployed" to Ft. Riley, KS. Not my decision.

Response by SSG Douglas Shaffer made May 12 at 2023 12:24 PM

SSG Douglas Shaffer — Fri, 12 May 2023 12:24:01 -0400

It is easy to respond to that,
"While I myself didn't deploy to those areas, there are other ongoing US Missions that somebody has to do and in doing so I supported those who did deploy. Did you yourself ever deploy?"
Now, you have tossed that ball into their court leaving it to them to respond as to their lack of service to this country.
You served your country well, no matter what your mission or duty assignment was somebody had to do that mission, not everyone gets to deploy. I was a combat instructor at Ft. Benning during the first Gulf War. All of us in the unit wanted to deploy with all those who were going. However, we were trained to instruct new soldier coming into service, it takes weeks to teach new instructors and more time later to instruct the section they are going to cover. We had a job to support that new mission, we took pride in the training those young men were getting was going to bring them home.

Response by SPC Judy Glore-Calloway made May 12 at 2023 12:50 PM

SPC Judy Glore-Calloway — Fri, 12 May 2023 12:50:51 -0400

As a Veteran I used to get the crazy questions but most times I don't even say I'm a Veteran unless I can use my military ID to get a discount. I prefer talking with other Veterans.

Response by PVT Tony Notimportant made May 13 at 2023 10:54 AM

PVT Tony Notimportant — Sat, 13 May 2023 10:54:25 -0400

Don't waste your energy worrying about some leg civilian who never thought outside themselves. Your most likely talking about a person who never left four county, you served this great country. The experience you received in the military is priceless and will get you far. The negative feedback from those who don't have your experience is just part of life. Focus on your life don't worry about other's perception because quite frankly they don't know sh*t.

Response by SrA Lawrence Baiocco made May 13 at 2023 9:23 PM

SrA Lawrence Baiocco — Sat, 13 May 2023 21:23:36 -0400

I served, I’m proud I did, and don’t give two shits what people think that have never served. I did not serve in combat. It takes thousands of people to support those in combat. Those people are morons and not worth the conversation.

Response by SSG Robert Chiarello made May 13 at 2023 9:56 PM

SSG Robert Chiarello — Sat, 13 May 2023 21:56:30 -0400

If you have nothing better to do, explain that in the military you go and do whatever you are ordered to do. Personally, I'd just as soon try to teach pigs to sing, except it annoys the pig and wastes my time. You don't need to respond to that crap.

Response by SN Russell Helberg made May 14 at 2023 4:03 PM

SN Russell Helberg — Sun, 14 May 2023 16:03:50 -0400

wearing the uniform should be enough to prove your commitment to your nation its hard enough just getting to that point---russ

Response by SrA Lawrence Baiocco made May 14 at 2023 7:06 PM

SrA Lawrence Baiocco — Sun, 14 May 2023 19:06:05 -0400

Tell them to take the Oath for a minimum of 2 years and then come back and talk to you.

Response by SGT Tim Tobin made May 17 at 2023 8:25 AM

SGT Tim Tobin — Wed, 17 May 2023 08:25:03 -0400

Civilians in general have no clue. So they should be given the same consideration.

Response by SSG Chris Gursky made May 21 at 2023 1:47 PM

SSG Chris Gursky — Sun, 21 May 2023 13:47:02 -0400

All good responses from everyone below. I agree mostly. Unfortunately for me I got to deploy. But anytime anyone questions my service I look them in the eye, give them a big smile and a hearty GFY.

Response by SPC David C. made May 21 at 2023 10:22 PM

SPC David C. — Sun, 21 May 2023 22:22:14 -0400

Why do you care what some fuck stick civilian thinks?? Does a lion care about the opinion of a sheep?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2023 11:14 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 May 2023 23:14:34 -0400

Well I never deployed either. It was peace time when I went in. Only thing we almost had was the Falkland Island thing that blew up for a bit. We got put on alert and has to stay on post til it was decided what was going to be done.

1st off We are the ones that did what HE didn't do. Sign up to serve this country. Then we had to pass both written and physical tests just to get the OK to go to Basic Training. Then we took an oath that we said we would follow the orders given to us by our superior officers even if it meant that we knew we likely would die. Then we got to go to basic training so we could learn how to carry out those likely orders. And IF we made it through Basic then we got to go AIT or our job training.

So U do not think I should be a vet or have veteran services just cause I didn't happen to have deployed. I would ask them if they ever tried to sign up for the military? If so why didn't they serve, what shortcomings, physical or mental that kept them from getting in?
Oh and did I forget to mention that they can wake me up at anytime while I am serving. Have me go fight fires or fight in mock wars so that I keep up with my basic training. And have to live in the field while doing that. Or the can say. Well Ur off to Alaska in the middle of winter to play war in the cold and the Snow and have to deal with moose that are 6 foot tall or buffalo and maybe a wolverine or bear thats 10 ft. tall or more that has a paw that the padded part of it is bitter than ur head. And it can get to -75.
Or they can send me to train in Jungle warfare or dessert warfare. That if needed they can keep me in longer than what I signed up for. Do u have a job that can do that to u. Oh and that u have to qualify on ur weapon and if u do not hit the right score they can throw u out.

Does ur job have the right to do any of that to u? No! Come talk with me when ur job can do all of that and order u to give up ur life for this country.
See guys like Me are the ones that stepped up when we didn't have to just in case. U didn't do that or u could not make the grade, I did on both.

Response by SGT John Schmelzkopf made May 22 at 2023 1:37 AM

SGT John Schmelzkopf — Mon, 22 May 2023 01:37:22 -0400

As long as you are honorable about your service, Stand Proud. You did fill an Important slot even if Stateside, as they needed Troops for Support, Replacements and many other reasons. Now Dirt Bags like Blumenthal (Former AG and Senator) are a different story, I always refer to him as "War Hero" when his name comes up.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2023 6:16 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 May 2023 06:16:04 -0400

9 times out of 10 the person asking never served. Therefore their opinions don't matter. Every service member may not deploy but that doesn't make them any less a veteran. You made a choice to serve your country so always honor that. Also remember we prepare for war but we don't wish for it. Understand that deployment dies not define who we are as people or soldiers. So don't let that bother you. You do more by 0800 then most do all so don't worry about what they say

Response by SSG Harry Herres made May 22 at 2023 4:34 PM

SSG Harry Herres — Mon, 22 May 2023 16:34:52 -0400

If it civilian, ask them if the served, when they say. Ask them why not, are you too good or do you let others insure your safety and right to be an American. If its military, look them in the eye and simply state, I wrote the same check you did. I follow orders as you. I was not called but I supported your ass. Remember that! And then walk away, you served you did more the 96% of Americans!

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2023 6:16 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 May 2023 18:16:04 -0400

You did your service to your country. Most won't. Hold your chin up high and keep on keeping on. I for one salute you.

Response by PFC Vernita Bennett made May 22 at 2023 10:55 PM

PFC Vernita Bennett — Mon, 22 May 2023 22:55:25 -0400

That oh remind them yourself your unit was not called entire army ECT not everyone goes just the amount needed would you through all of your money into a wishing well no u gotta live reserve the fighting force not all go to the front of the line gotta hold some for the next round all your rounds for 1 man nope gotta save for the next guy

Response by SP5 Larry Boggs made May 24 at 2023 11:32 AM

SP5 Larry Boggs — Wed, 24 May 2023 11:32:28 -0400

I can identify with your question especially the statement “The worst part was I had this feeling he was right, and it’s been eating me up since.”

I was drafted in 1968, trained in a combat support role as a field wireman I was sent to Vietnam in that MOS in 1969, but was assigned as a clerk at USARV Hq at Long Bing Post I was happy to have gotten that assignment when I did, but I have felt guilty ever since that I was a REMF and didn’t didn’t share the pain those in the field or in far less safe places. That guilt was magnified because a best friend in college who had a wife and child was KIA in Vietnam.

Over the last few years with the anniversary of going and especially this year with the anniversary of the end of our war there, I
have I come to grips with that guilt and my friends death. My view is I am not a hero, and make that clear, to anyone I speak to about my service, but I wasn’t a coward either I did not run or hide I went to Vietnam and it was pure luck with my MOS that I wasn’t sent into the field, but I did nothing to get that “bennie” post. Like all others I wanted to survive as whole as possible, but I would have done whatever assigned, as you would have, and I knew that when I got on the plane to go.

Hold your head high, as I do now. Don’t let 60 years go by before you do. You did what was expected, and you did more that that civilian did. You were a part of the effort, and thank you for your service.

Response by PO1 Janice Ritz made Jun 12 at 2023 7:58 AM

PO1 Janice Ritz — Mon, 12 Jun 2023 07:58:31 -0400

Tell them to shove it up their ass. Ask them why they didn't sign on that dotted line. When they give you some excuse, smile and walk away. They don't deserve your attention.

Response by 1stSgt Rick Ensenbach made Jun 20 at 2023 9:48 PM

1stSgt Rick Ensenbach — Tue, 20 Jun 2023 21:48:43 -0400

You gave up a part of your life to serve in the military. You couldn’t come and go as you please or decide to give up and move onto a different job like you do as a civilian. Anyone who asks that has no idea what it’s like to be in the military, nor do they understand that those who don’t deploy still serve the cause. Sometimes we don’t have a choice as to whether we deploy or not, but we are still serving our country and supporting those who do deploy. Don’t waste your time with these ignorant people. Instead, ask them why they didn’t serve.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2023 9:36 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Jun 2023 09:36:12 -0400

If you went around giving a shit what everyone thought about you, than you would be in a world of trouble. Most of the people who ask that question just don't understand what the meaning of "Serve Your Country" even means or care to know what it means. The media has changed so many people around us and its for the worse. They are just ignorant and ill-informed, the fact you even volunteered to join your service of choice and was ready and willing to do whatever you had to do speaks numbers amongst those who did not. We all took the same oath and that's what matters, what does not matter is whether you deployed or not. That is completely irrelevant and requires no explanation to anyone as to why you did or did not deploy..HUA!!!

Response by SPC David Hubbard made Jun 30 at 2023 2:29 PM

SPC David Hubbard — Fri, 30 Jun 2023 14:29:10 -0400

I get this more from combat soldiers than civilians. I just say,"Well, I was an airborne Infantry Paratrooper who served between wars and conflicts (1984 - 1987). What were you? A clerk typist?"

To the civilians, I simply say, "I was fortunate to have served between wars and conflicts."

Response by SSG Jay OConnor made Jul 1 at 2023 3:20 PM

SSG Jay OConnor — Sat, 01 Jul 2023 15:20:08 -0400

I would have told that person "You obviously don't know the definition of a veteran" or. " Did you serve? I thought not" Weather you've deployed or not, you are still a veteran. And as for your own self deficating feelings....everyone's service has its own ebb and flow. It's not your fault that you happen to be in the ebb of your service at this moment. Don't worry what people that have never served thinks as they don't matter anyway.

Response by SGT Craig Johnston made Jul 1 at 2023 6:55 PM

SGT Craig Johnston — Sat, 01 Jul 2023 18:55:26 -0400

There is no “I” in team. The word Team implies everyone does their part, no matter where or how they supported the team, no matter in what capacity they supported their team. We all do our job, we all do our duty. If a civilian asks if we went to Iraq or Afghanistan or saw combat of any kind and then questions our service just because we didn’t deploy or see combat, I would ask the thin skinned civilian where they were when we stepped up, joined and served? We waited for them, but they didn’t show up, they didn’t step up. Do not waste your time with these weak individuals. Until they serve, until they sacrifice as we all have, they have no place. They didn’t wear The Uniform, we did. Just smile at them, ask them where their DD-214 is. When they ask what’s that? Say “exactly” and walk away. Whooha!!!

Response by SPC David Young made Jul 2 at 2023 5:23 PM

SPC David Young — Sun, 02 Jul 2023 17:23:49 -0400

Back in 98 or 99, I had a similar issue with a caseworker at my local Veterans Services office. I was a Desert Storm veteran and he was in Vietnam. He was extremely rude and arrogant. He said something like, "I have a Purple Heart, a couple of Bronze Stars and 2 tours in 'Nam. You're an Army cook who served in the Gulf. You're not even even a real veteran in my opinion!"
I'll just say that he was an asshole and his opinion didn't matter. I got the help I needed that day in spite of his ignorance and went about my business. People like that don't even warrant any response. Go on with what your life and they can go f*** a goat!

Response by MAJ Montgomery Granger made Jul 3 at 2023 10:10 AM

MAJ Montgomery Granger — Mon, 03 Jul 2023 10:10:48 -0400

If you served honorably, you are a proud veteran, no matter what anyone else says. When you look at a "team" of any sort, everyone has a role to play. Offensive linemen on a football team are notoriously overlooked for their contributions, yet without them, no running back, quarterback or receiver would ever score. Your question is like someone asking a lineman how many touchdowns they scored. Ignore them and be confident in YOUR achievement of service. Hooah!

Response by SPC Dan Phariss made Jul 3 at 2023 10:49 AM

SPC Dan Phariss — Mon, 03 Jul 2023 10:49:00 -0400

I tend to ignore. I had a friend, who hid out in college and one day, at a gun show, he tells me he wished he had gone (Vietnam) since he felt he had “missed something”. This was about the time VN vets were no longer openly considered dog sh!t you see. I considered this something akin to an insult, disgusting anyway. But I did not tell him what I REALLY thought. So rather than risking my running off the rails I just told him all he missed was a chance to stop a bullet. My wife was in AF com. TAC base. I met her working as a civilian contractor on base. If I tell people in Costco to thank her as well I get told to not ever do that again. He father WW-II infantry Europe, her husband, her son and my Dad (Pacific) ALL fired shots in anger. I suspect our sons Afghanistan tour was harder on her than me. She had a critical job. But Alaska was still part of the US and she feels her time in uniform was nothing in comparison. I think she is wrong, but thats her idea. she knows what war did to he Dad, as a kid she asked him what he did in the war and he slapped her, her husband and her son both with disability from injuries. I often think of Rudyard Kiplings poem “Tommy”. “…For its Tommy this an’ Tommy that, an’ “Chuck him out the brute!”
But its “Savior of ‘is country” when the guns begin to shoot;….”
These people, civilians, will never understand that the military, even at a job like my wife’s is not “safe” like working in some office in small town America. And for many it actually puts them YEARS behind their civilian “peers” in earnings. Those who never served will NEVER really understand. nor can you make them so I don’t bother. I once met a Navy vet. He was a naval courier from Saigon to DC or DC-Saigon. He was on the wrong end when Tet 68 broke loose. He was given an M-16, ammo and put into the fight. He told me, with tears in his eyes, that he killed kids in Saigon about the age of his kids at home, but they had AK-47s and were put out to fight by the commies. So much for his “safe job”. It has plagued him, I am sure, to this day.

Response by PO1 Robert Ryan made Jul 3 at 2023 11:33 AM

PO1 Robert Ryan — Mon, 03 Jul 2023 11:33:54 -0400

A lot of Vietnam Eras vets have asked the same question who did not go to Vietnam. Simple answer you were a soldier following your orders. That makes you a veteran. I spent 3 tours in Vietnam. Yes i am a Vietnam vet. But my brothers and sisters who didn't serve in Vietnam are still veterans. Likewise now with the new generation of Veterans who served in Iraq or Afghanistan and others did not. We are still all veterans.

Response by SPC Helena Wallace made Jul 3 at 2023 11:47 AM

SPC Helena Wallace — Mon, 03 Jul 2023 11:47:44 -0400

I am a Peace time veteran and I have battled with this as well. Actually to the point I was thinking that I didn’t deserve any credit for my efforts and serving in the military. Then I had a war time veteran lace me up side then the other. No matter if you were in during Wartime or Peace Time, you were prepared to fight for your Country and Freedom! Peace time Veterans are not any less important, serving your Country is important and not every citizen in America has done that but you have so stand proud! My take on the matter is that we are all children of God but a select few been willing to give some and many have gave all! So hold you head up high and know you are somebody because you are, you are a child of God and a Military Veteran that pledged allegiance to our Country and Freedom for all!

Response by SGM Art Hudson made Jul 4 at 2023 9:51 AM

SGM Art Hudson — Tue, 04 Jul 2023 09:51:20 -0400

You do not have to prove to anyone your service. A vet is a vet no matter what. be proud of your time serving our great Country. Because some will never serve anything but their mouth.

Response by PO1 Gerald Wood made Jul 4 at 2023 2:20 PM

PO1 Gerald Wood — Tue, 04 Jul 2023 14:20:40 -0400

You volunteered, the military gave you a job, you served where you were ordered to serve,....
you faithfully and dutifully executed those orders,....
"that" civilian can volunteer to stand the post or STFU,...
end of story,....

Response by SSgt Sandra Keranovic made Jul 5 at 2023 5:11 AM

SSgt Sandra Keranovic — Wed, 05 Jul 2023 05:11:11 -0400

I had an EX civilian boyfriend that told me I wasn't a real veteran because I never carried a gun. I am a Medic and a Nurse. 1. I asked him, 'How did he think we secured our precious supplies and keep our unit safe from unexpected undesirables?" I added, Yes I was trained in assisting and have performed vasectomies but my side arm works so much quicker!" Weapon, or no weapon - I am a Veteran! What did you do for your country?

Response by PO1 Don Uhrig made Jul 5 at 2023 11:43 PM

PO1 Don Uhrig — Wed, 05 Jul 2023 23:43:00 -0400

YOU do not have control over the detailers (that's what we called the personnel specialists in the Navy back in the day). My 20-year career ended up with less than 1-year of "sea time". That cost me E-7. I was judged by my record to that point. But I had no control over that. I obeyed the orders that were assigned to me. Was I less of a veteran? NO! In fact, I ended up serving in active combat in Iraq in 2004. I spent a majority of my 20-years overseas - just not on "sea duty" that would have lead me to E-7. Not being 'deployed' is not under your control. YOU do not have to justify the little details of your service that you have no control over to ANYONE. I have been judged for my lack of sea-time - regardless of my actual documented COMBAT time. Shame on them. Shrug those people off and know that YOU SERVED. It doesn't matter "where" you served - regardless of how they judge you on recent campaigns.

Response by PO2 Donna McIntosh made Jul 7 at 2023 1:25 PM

PO2 Donna McIntosh — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 13:25:27 -0400

Not a lot of civilians ask me if I ever deployed. Don't think 2 weeks TAD to Omaha for training counts! When I first joined the Navy in 1978, women were not on ships at all. Now there are women commanding them and more. I am proud of my service, especially now - I work in a senior living facility with a number of military veterans (love listening to their stories).

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2023 5:31 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 17:31:46 -0400

Pretty simple. If you’ve never done anything you don’t get credit for anything

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2023 7:39 AM

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Response by SSG Angelita Dobson made Jul 8 at 2023 11:28 PM

SSG Angelita Dobson — Sat, 08 Jul 2023 23:28:45 -0400

Not every true soldier went to war. Just like with other teams, the players on the court can't do it by themselves. If it were not for the show of force of the soldiers on standby, America would be overran.
That fact coupled with what many of us went through to train and serve our country in preparation for deployment to a war zone is more than enough. How dare someone who never made any sacrifice to stand in defense of their country question anyone who did.

Response by SGT William Bowers made Jul 9 at 2023 12:27 AM

SGT William Bowers — Sun, 09 Jul 2023 00:27:50 -0400

I can't say it better than General Patton did in his speeches to the Third Army
(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton%27s_speech_to_the_Third_Army, where he said, in part, "All the real heroes are not storybook combat fighters. Every single man in the army plays a vital role. So don't ever let up. Don't ever think that your job is unimportant."

We all did what we were told to do, when and where it was needed. No further discussion or explanation needed.

Bill

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Response by SGT Kerry Sommers made Jul 9 at 2023 5:40 PM

SGT Kerry Sommers — Sun, 09 Jul 2023 17:40:00 -0400

Don't respond. Just feel sorry for them. They do not understand service.

Response by SGT Kerry Sommers made Jul 9 at 2023 5:40 PM

SGT Kerry Sommers — Sun, 09 Jul 2023 17:40:29 -0400

Don't respond. Just feel sorry for them. They do not understand service.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Jul 9 at 2023 8:46 PM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Sun, 09 Jul 2023 20:46:19 -0400

Well, not everyone gets to deploy to a war zone. I was in the same boat after Desert Storm happened. However I went to Bosnia and Iraq years later. Look, weather you deployed or not, you still served the Country.

Response by SPC Kenneth Berry made Jul 9 at 2023 9:18 PM

SPC Kenneth Berry — Sun, 09 Jul 2023 21:18:22 -0400

Let's see. You volunteered that was the first step, you raised your hand and swore an oath, you went to training that setup you up to do your mos. You were sent where Uncle Sam needed you, another word you were deployed maybe not in a combat theater but where you were needed. You are a veteran. End of story. Where were they deployed or better yet when are they going to raise their hands and sign a contract to Uncle Sam.

Response by SP5 Timothy Cooper made Jul 9 at 2023 10:56 PM

SP5 Timothy Cooper — Sun, 09 Jul 2023 22:56:02 -0400

Ask them wait have you done then walk away head up high like a trooper.

Response by SrA Bob Galley made Jul 10 at 2023 12:53 PM

SrA Bob Galley — Mon, 10 Jul 2023 12:53:32 -0400

As it was explained to me, "You wrote a check to the United States government of your very life. They didn't cash it."

I too never deployed. Once out of tech school, I was sent to a software shop. I hung tapes, collected printouts, and made sure the old-as-I-was mainframe didn't catch on fire. That doesn't sound very heroic. But the software our officers wrote for the DSP protected servicemen abroad in a number of ways.

As the others here state, we peacetime vets took that oath. We were willing to give up however many years of our lives in service of the country, with the very real possibility of dying in that service. That we were never needed in that capacity does not diminish the value of the offering.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jul 10 at 2023 2:30 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Mon, 10 Jul 2023 14:30:23 -0400

Unfortunately, some people have the constitution of assholes and bitches. You can't fix stupid.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2023 12:06 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Jul 2023 12:06:45 -0400

I've never had another veteran question it. They understand that some MOS's or in my case AFSC's just aren't frontline jobs. My deployments were to Spain (Moron AB) in support of Ensuring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom where I worked in the computer shop and on the Computer Help Desk. But my training included being able to go to a bare base an set up all the commmunications; I was just never tasked to do it.
So when a civilian asks me how I can even be considered to be a veteran since I was never on the front lines... and I'm a woman, I always ask them about their military service. When they start to stutter, I tell them that I signed over 30 years of my life to serve this country in whatever capacity it needed.
It doesn't matter how many years you served, or where you served, you gave part of your life to potentially defend this country.

Response by GySgt Charles O'Connell made Jul 12 at 2023 9:28 AM

GySgt Charles O'Connell — Wed, 12 Jul 2023 09:28:37 -0400

I’m not too bothered when asked this by civilians, given their general lack of knowledge about the military. I have on occasion taken the time to try and explain the complexities of the military, and how they come together in support of the ground evolution. But usually I wind up smiling condescendingly, patting them on head, and walking away. Sure in the knowledge that my years of service, CONUS and Overseas rates the title Veteran.

Response by SSG John C Quigley II made Jul 20 at 2023 6:26 PM

SSG John C Quigley II — Thu, 20 Jul 2023 18:26:27 -0400

My first tour of duty was during Vietnam, I went to northern France instead, I was still on active duty when JFK was assassinated, 19 years old, we had to get our weapon, and ammo, put on our combat uniform and guard the area we were stationed at. They did not tell us what had happened just that we were on alert. When I left the service after that 3 year hitch, some folks did not like the fact that I had been in the Army. I just walked away, I knew these were the cowards of our nation, many of them went to Canada. They were worth my time because they would not have listened anyway. When I re-upped later on, 1976 it was peace time, but there was some stuff on the horizon. We had to be ready to go where we were called. As a SSG I left the service in 1983, still trying to get my service disability but that is another story.

Response by PO3 Robert Buckels made Jul 22 at 2023 5:54 PM

PO3 Robert Buckels — Sat, 22 Jul 2023 17:54:45 -0400

Tell them you signed the check and gave it to the united states government. If they chose not to cash it, you still signed it and that means you are a veteran, just not a combat veteran. Someone had to do the job you were assigned to, but at anytime during your three years and for a set time (don't remember how long) after that you could have been deployed or recalled to service and deployed as an inactive reservist (unless you got out on a disability). You could also say at least you did something unlike them who did nothing.

Response by LT Michaline Schalton made Jul 31 at 2023 4:00 PM

LT Michaline Schalton — Mon, 31 Jul 2023 16:00:59 -0400

You signed up to give your life for this country. Just because this country didn't take your life in war doesn't mean you are deficient in any way or "not really a veteran". Hold your head high and be proud of your service. Because of you, many others were supported and probably came home alive because of some small thing you did that you've forgotten. That's what the military is -- a gigantic team.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Aug 3 at 2023 1:17 PM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Thu, 03 Aug 2023 13:17:13 -0400

Simple. You go where the military tells you to go. I have a friend, during Vietnam, who joined the Navy to "see the world" after his Vietnam tour. His first and only assignment was in Hawaii. Hey, he is a Vet during the Vietnam Era conflict.

Response by SFC Toby Northen made Aug 3 at 2023 2:55 PM

SFC Toby Northen — Thu, 03 Aug 2023 14:55:39 -0400

38 U.S.C. § 101(2) provides: The term "veteran" means a person who served in the active military, naval, or air service, and who was discharged or released therefrom under conditions other than dishonorable. (ref: https://www.va.gov/OSDBU/docs/Determining-Veteran-Status.pdf )

Bottom line: You served. You were honorably discharged. YOU. ARE. A. VETERAN. The only person you have to convince is yourself (probably the hardest part). YOU ARE NOT ALONE.
People who ask those questions, ask out from an ignorant standpoint and have a complete lack of understanding of 1) Who a veteran is and 2) What is sacrificed in being a veteran (deployments, combat, or not).

Determining-Veteran-Status.pdf

Response by PO2 Andrew Szumilo made Aug 3 at 2023 10:52 PM

PO2 Andrew Szumilo — Thu, 03 Aug 2023 22:52:11 -0400

You put on the uniform, they didn't. F them. Not your fault the military had other plans for you. You are a veteran and no one can ever take that away from you.

Response by SFC Curtis Ross made Aug 4 at 2023 9:42 AM

SFC Curtis Ross — Fri, 04 Aug 2023 09:42:51 -0400

get up and leave you deserve better, i have deployed 4 times and did not have fun on any. you signed the agreement with the armed forces, the deployments are not up to you. also you should be very proud to have make this commitment to your country regardless of their opinion. I retired in 2021 and get disrespected by those who have no clue.

Response by 1SG Thomas Driscoll made Aug 4 at 2023 10:25 AM

1SG Thomas Driscoll — Fri, 04 Aug 2023 10:25:38 -0400

You were there to do what was asked of you. Where was he/she? A service person cannot choose where they go if the branch requires you to do something different. You can volunteer all you want. If they say you stay, you stay and that is that. You owe no one an explanation. All service is important irrespective where or what. Reserve and Guard as well. Thanks for what you do or did for all of us.

Response by 1LT Kevin McKernan made Aug 4 at 2023 6:44 PM

1LT Kevin McKernan — Fri, 04 Aug 2023 18:44:13 -0400

If you have a DD214 you’re a veteran, even if you have a general discharge. I served during the Cold War era and was never deployed in combat even though I was in the Infantry. As another poster noted, you have little to no control over if, where and when you deploy. While I don’t put myself in the same category as those that saw combat, every veteran signed a blank check over to Uncle Sam for any amount up to and including their life, so be proud of your service!

Response by MSgt Craig Gauger made Aug 4 at 2023 10:41 PM

MSgt Craig Gauger — Fri, 04 Aug 2023 22:41:31 -0400

This may not be acceptable, but I might say "go pi$$ up a rope and have a nice day".

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2023 4:20 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Aug 2023 04:20:44 -0400

You may not be a combat veteran, but you are still a veteran. Some people wished to serve and were not allowed to. Some people wished to serve and they were not qualified. You still went through the training and could have seen combat, circumstances just did not allow for it. Not your fault. Went through the same. I was never able to deploy due to issues in the command strutcture at Benning, but I was there and I was ready for it.

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Aug 5 at 2023 12:01 PM

Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis — Sat, 05 Aug 2023 12:01:27 -0400

"One team, one fight." Not all of us can have the "glamourous" jobs. I served for 28 years, and never deployed. My younger brother also served a similar time and deployed at least twice. Neither of us have considered the other to have had the "lesser" service.

Three years is often not long enough for a selection for deployment. You have nothing to be concerned about, and much to give you pride for honorable service.

Read the first two sentences of this response. That's what you can say.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2023 2:23 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Aug 2023 14:23:42 -0400

Do nothing. Its their problem, not yours. If you have a honorable discharge you are good.

Response by LTC Myron Opfermann made Aug 5 at 2023 4:04 PM

LTC Myron Opfermann — Sat, 05 Aug 2023 16:04:58 -0400

While it is hard to get exact numbers but in both WW2 and Vietnam 40%-60% of all members of the armed services were in combat or combat services or were close enough to be under fire. Their are a large number of personnel necessary to support the deployed forces (supply, training, medical, administrative, etc.) plus the other areas of the world that we must station forces to meet our commitments to our allies and our own strategic needs. You volunteered as everyone does since 1973 and you have your DD-214. You have no need for apologies, just tell them "I served where I was needed" and walk away.

Response by CPL David Widding made Aug 5 at 2023 4:13 PM

CPL David Widding — Sat, 05 Aug 2023 16:13:39 -0400

First ask how many times did he deploy. (Probably none because he was never in the military) Then politely ask how he considers himself an American if he never served in the military

Response by SP5 Wick Humble made Aug 5 at 2023 5:45 PM

SP5 Wick Humble — Sat, 05 Aug 2023 17:45:25 -0400

Consider the source, and ignore it -- move on! Ask to see his ear collection!
During Vietnam, nobody said that, and everybody lost friends in that morass! You served -- and a lot more than some politicians we could name! Thx!

Response by MSG Lonnie Averkamp made Aug 5 at 2023 6:02 PM

MSG Lonnie Averkamp — Sat, 05 Aug 2023 18:02:09 -0400

I believe that many of us (especially in Combat Arms related fields) have a Deployment-Shaped space in our souls. It is probably because that is the REASON that we train: it is our essence. However, every person who proficiently does his/her job is supporting the mission of our Military. It is figured into the Pentagon's numbers, that for each number of troops on deployment, there will be a number in training, support, or in-reserve.

You "may not have the T-Shirt", but you did participate.

Response by SSgt Ajhadriel Galbreath made Aug 6 at 2023 1:39 PM

SSgt Ajhadriel Galbreath — Sun, 06 Aug 2023 13:39:28 -0400

Focus on your Career Knowledge and Skills. When you’re asked “have you ever deployed”? It could mean that this is a “fishing” technique to determine whether you might be a risk to the organization: suicidal, raped, brain damaged (potential behavioral disorder risks to an organization).

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2023 2:08 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Aug 2023 14:08:37 -0400

Ignore them like the POS they are. At the same time start ridding yourself of the self loathing that the pseudo intelligentsia has convinced you of. Always remember that there are lefties even among people who work for a living. Don't drink their Kool-aide.

Response by SP5 Peter Hawkins made Aug 6 at 2023 2:22 PM

SP5 Peter Hawkins — Sun, 06 Aug 2023 14:22:14 -0400

I repeat to myself, I stepped forward, raised my right hand, swore the oath, I was ready. Then I say, I didn't see you out there.

Response by AA Loreen Silvarahawk made Aug 7 at 2023 7:40 AM

AA Loreen Silvarahawk — Mon, 07 Aug 2023 07:40:26 -0400

I too never deployed and, due to the policies in place at the time, was not allowed to complete the full term of enlistment. You served and therefore due the same honor and respect as everyone else.

Response by 1SG Dean Mcbride (MPER) (CPHR) made Aug 7 at 2023 8:03 AM

1SG Dean Mcbride (MPER) (CPHR) — Mon, 07 Aug 2023 08:03:05 -0400

It is not difficult, it is impossible to respond to an idiot! I might have told him "I appreciate and understand your thoughts. However, seeing as you never served, I can understand your complete ignorance as to what is takes to be a veteran." Deployment does not make a veteran nor does it make anybody "better" than those that did not deploy. The military requires support from all sides - battles that are fought and won can only do so with the support of everyone. What you and others do in a non-deployed state contributes to the overall success of the mission. Hold your head high - I appreciate you and I appreciate your service!

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Aug 7 at 2023 8:57 AM

1SG James Kelly — Mon, 07 Aug 2023 08:57:35 -0400

23 years mostly combat arms never deployed.
I tell them to:
eat shit
bark at the moon
die
and go to hell

Response by SPC Michael Budzinski made Aug 7 at 2023 2:45 PM

SPC Michael Budzinski — Mon, 07 Aug 2023 14:45:41 -0400

Something I can’t stand! People forget that most of the military is support services and mostly out of harm’s way. Not judged on deployment but, service during conflict.

Served during Regan Administration at the end of the Cold War were either in Korea when it sucked drinking Formaldehyde beer or Germany. Were always down range, NTC or reforger, had real PT and scheduled 11hr normal days at home.

Was a Tank mechanic. Turned in all the the M60A1 and M60A3 POS Tanks both stateside and Germany. When down range wasn’t unusual for almost every vehicle in a company was broke down and worked 18hr days. Remember had a moving target for tank crew qualification, a joke. Was a Jeep rigged with a piece of plywood on it that rode on train tracks. So since the Jeep would fall off the rails or need a new piece of plywood? We were positioned in a dirt burn ready to fix the Jeep when fell off tracks, days of stupidity. Laid for hours at night with Tank rounds flying over our heads.

No glory. Worked my ass off. Deadline Report went in daily. Only non NCO (maybe entire Army?) with qualifications for both hull and turret, 63N and 45N. Won the Division Maintenance Award which was for vehicle readiness having the best dead line report meeting the Army’s IG. If heater went out in tank? Would take out which was a big pain and send out sometimes not seeing for 6 months meaning froze your ass off. Had a deal with the Tankers. Chief got me the parts, Tankers pulled their own heaters, I would rebuild and they would reinstall. If an officer was being an ass and heater went out or something broke not in my echelon description of my MOS? Would let stand deadlined down range quickly becoming friends.

Was I deployed where there was live fire? No. How many mechanics repaired vehicles when bullets flew? Waited until safe and then towed out. Worked hard, always away or working extended hours all the time. Reservists which are plentiful? Deployed and then came home to a regular life when active duty came home to keep soldiering.

100% SC P&T because climbing out of a Tank some idiot thought fun to play with the Turret control for the machine gun throwing me off landing on the motor pool floor. Stayed in with a PT exemption finishing my enlistment not crying about it.

Was I deployed into live fire? Clint Eastwood has a war time ribbon and was a lifeguard stateside at a pool in the Air Force. So many never seeing jungle or sand.

Question my service for not being deployed? GFY

Response by SPC Mark Washburn made Aug 7 at 2023 5:24 PM

SPC Mark Washburn — Mon, 07 Aug 2023 17:24:03 -0400

Tell then to screw off first I didn't deploy either 14 years states side was on alert twice but I was always ready when or if ever called and I hold my head high for being a vet and training I gave and everything else to some of those little asses that was deployed come home whinging and even have hurt them self to collect disabilities sad to say that but it's true

Response by PO3 Michael MacKay made Aug 8 at 2023 12:36 PM

PO3 Michael MacKay — Tue, 08 Aug 2023 12:36:18 -0400

Well, Princess ( and you did open that door :) ) their opinion means nothing.

You are a brother in arms and you gave three years of your life in the service of this country and that is all that matters.

Response by SSG Merry Metzler made Aug 8 at 2023 8:57 PM

SSG Merry Metzler — Tue, 08 Aug 2023 20:57:27 -0400

You are a vet! All signed up & trained to go. Where's their training, their readiness? Just ask them when they served!

Response by MAJ Alan Montgomery made Aug 8 at 2023 10:17 PM

MAJ Alan Montgomery — Tue, 08 Aug 2023 22:17:53 -0400

Why not ask those who asked you if you went to Afghanistan if they ever served or went to Afghanistan? I suspect the answer will either be a made-up "Yes" or an honest "NO."

YOU served, and the last time I checked once to took the oath, you were obligated, under penalty of courts-martial, to do as you were ordered: deploy to Afghanistan, Kuwait, Vietnam, Bosnia, Beirut, or the Pentagon. Hell, you could have been assigned to be part of the Obama, Trump, or Biden presidential detail.

The problem with being in the Military, any branch of the Military, is that you were assigned where the MILITARY NEEDED YOU based on your occupational specialty, not where or what you wanted. I don't recall anyone asking me, during my career, where I wanted to serve or what I wanted to do during my assignment, wherever the DOD chose to send me. I made my druthers known, but in the end, it was DOD MILPO that made the final assignments.

Take pride in the fact that you had the cojones to serve. I suspect the person asking didn't, so why bother with his or her question? Those who don't, or didn't serve, don't deserve enough of my respect to give them an answer. What I did, where I did it, how I did it, with whom I did it, even how long I served is between me and GOD, and if I choose those I served with. I don't have enough respect for anyone who doesn't put on the uniform, whether it's a Military uniform, law enforcement, or firefighter's uniform, to answer the question.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2023 11:56 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Aug 2023 11:56:02 -0400

I know what you are feeling to a degree. I joined in 1998 and served my first stint with the Army Rangers heading to Afghanistan at the very end of 2001. I was an expert rifleman and a member of the Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) team for my entire time there. However, I was kept in the rear with the supplies and my number was never called. I never left the FOB in Kandahar. I never took fire or fired a shot in combat. I continued my service upon returning home with the CA National Guard and spent most of my remaining years (22 in total) in training units preparing others for deployments. I would have taken whatever position I was offered, but this is where my promotions took me. I sometimes feel less than because I "didn't really do anything"... But I served for 22 years, deployed, and trained thousands of soldiers including as platoon sergeant for the Directorate of Logistics for one of the largest training bases in the country. I wrote the check, they chose not to cash it in. I now serve my community in Federal Corrections and face life or death every day I go through those gates. It is what it is. Only you know your intentions.

Response by SSG William Zopff III made Aug 13 at 2023 11:06 AM

SSG William Zopff III — Sun, 13 Aug 2023 11:06:39 -0400

SPC Anonymous, as a Army Radiology Specialist/NCO, I served 22.5 years. I served in the 10th CSH and the 86th CSH, for a total of 5 years; never deployed to any combat zones. I did serve from 1983-Invasion of Grenada, Panama, both Gulf Wars, Iragi Freedom and Afghanistan. Working hospitals, clinics, field hospitals, recruiting and as a Radiology instructor; from the Cold War to Arab Insurgency I still serve with distinction just like you did! Be proud of your service. To the civilians I ask, were you able to serve, when they answered no! I acknowledged its not for everyone. To those that did serve, I thank them for their service. Thank You, SPC Anonymous, for your service.

Response by SSgt Stephen Lindsey made Aug 14 at 2023 3:17 PM

SSgt Stephen Lindsey — Mon, 14 Aug 2023 15:17:27 -0400

First off…thank you for your service. Now then, you do not ever have to justify the value of your service to anyone, especially someone who never served. Those who wore the uniform and stomped around in combat boots are all part of the same rock and roll club regardless of where one served and whether or not is was during peacetime or war. Everyone took the oath and put themselves in harms way if that became necessary…ever ready and always able. Just know who are and who you represent…all of us…past present and future.

Response by Sgt Melinda Pamphrey made Aug 18 at 2023 3:40 PM

Sgt Melinda Pamphrey — Fri, 18 Aug 2023 15:40:28 -0400

My sister-in-law's husband had "F--- You" tattooed on his right hand in case he "had" to go into the service and salute an officer. He avoided being selected by changing his course of study at university for several years in order to avoid being selected for Vietnam! He was never selected to go and had the tattoo removed. He has also sucked on marijuana for many years, drug addict in my mind. I really have to bite my tongue and play nice to him and my sister-in-law even though I consider him to be a coward and not much of a man for his actions.
Trust me, you Are a real veteran and a brave man. I never deployed either and the best I can say is I'm a Gulf War era veteran. There is absolutely no shame in not having deployed. That is Not what make you a veteran. You are a veteran because you chose to put on a uniform and serve your country with honor, integrity and dignity. You put your life on the line for your country and that includes those jerks that are trying to bring you down by saying you aren't a veteran just because you didn't deploy. You could have deployed if circumstances had been different or, heaven forbid, some foreign country like North Korea had decided to attack the United States. You have no reason to doubt your service or status as a veteran. You should be proud that you had the courage that jerk lacked.

Response by GySgt Dennis Slack made Aug 23 at 2023 8:43 AM

GySgt Dennis Slack — Wed, 23 Aug 2023 08:43:26 -0400

I understand how you must feel. However, you have to understand that what you did, what your job was and the fact that you were willing to serve during a time of war or peace regardless of where you served is just as important as if you were in a combat zone. You helped make our mission happen. Never diminish your position just because you were not deployed into a combat zone. You are a Veteran Era serviceman/woman in every aspect.
Dennis Slack
Gunnery Sergeant, USMC
Vietnam Veteran
Semper Fi

Response by SSG James Peterson made Aug 23 at 2023 8:57 PM

SSG James Peterson — Wed, 23 Aug 2023 20:57:37 -0400

Well I would tell you , Hold on there soldier. Where is the Esprit de Corp in that attitude? You know as well as I do that not everyone that serves deploys. Does that mean that you did not serve? I have been out of the U.S. Army since 1993 after serving 16 years on active duty and I never once thought I did not serve. I saw the purpose and the need for me to be there and wear my battle dress uniform. The US Army has gone through a lot of changes over the years and unless you were planning to go AWOL if called to deploy I salute you as a soldier that would have gone if called upon to do so.

Response by PO2 Morio Tanigawa made Aug 28 at 2023 12:29 AM

PO2 Morio Tanigawa — Mon, 28 Aug 2023 00:29:33 -0400

All you have to say is, " I have a DD214, not all have to be deployed. There's plenty to do stateside to support my brothers and sisters in arms. " Most of the times I hear this is from civilians who never served, I don't give them much credence, I ask them, "And what branch did you serve in? " That pretty much surfs them down. It's not that you could and others couldn't, it's that you did and others didn't. Be strong, veteran strong.

Response by CW3 John Himes made Aug 30 at 2023 6:49 AM

CW3 John Himes — Wed, 30 Aug 2023 06:49:19 -0400

Smile at them give them a wink and let them know they don't know sh*t about what a veterans is then go on about your day giving thanks that you are not on a totally new plain of stupidity that they are stuck on. I just happened to be thinking when the last time a carried about what a civilian thought of my veteran's status and it was never. Now my brother and sister vets, that's another matter.

Response by SP5 Robert Kennedy made Sep 3 at 2023 2:37 PM

SP5 Robert Kennedy — Sun, 03 Sep 2023 14:37:22 -0400

The way I see it is that YOU joined the military to be ready to fill whatever post needed you most. You were trained, ready and willing to do whatever was needed, wherever is needed. Then ask them what they've done for America.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Sep 7 at 2023 4:01 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Thu, 07 Sep 2023 16:01:19 -0400

The question is; what is a good reply when someone challenges you, because you never deployed, and claims are not a real veteran
Make it perfectly clear that you do not fault him for knowing nothing about the military. Then continued to explain. You took the oath; you made it through basic. You went where they told you and you were ready to do what they told you. In an eight-man squad going into the jungle. One man takes the lead, that does not mean the other seven are not real veterans. Whether you are stateside for your duty, in a great assignment like downtown London, or some godforsaken spot like Greenland or Afghanistan you were ready to do the job they called on you to do. That makes you a veteran.
Not every veteran gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, or any other metal for that matter. But if you took the oath, made it through basic training, left the military with the DD-214 listing you as honorable or medical then you are a veteran.
The problem is not with you is with the person who asked you the question.

Response by LT William Pellegrini made Sep 11 at 2023 11:52 AM

LT William Pellegrini — Mon, 11 Sep 2023 11:52:59 -0400

It is not up to us whether we are assigned to an active combat zone or, serve on a carrier in the Pacific Ocean, or get stationed in Alaska. That decision is not something the individual has any influence over. The THING that is IMPORTANT is you SERVED!. The first thing out of my mouth if someone had made that comment to me is, "Where did you serve?" Most of the time the answer if there is one will be well I didn't, but....... At that point drop another question one him. "What gives you the right to critique my service to the United States when you didn't have the guts to volunteer as I did to serve your country?" After a brief period of silence I would smile and walk away. You are not less of a man/woman because you didn't get to serve in combat. You stood on that wall and stood guard, knowing that at any time someone might attack our country and you would be required and willing to stop them. If you want to know about a true coward look no further than Donald Trump who did everything that he could to NOT serve. You are a HERO because you DID SERVE!

Response by SGT Beth Day made Sep 14 at 2023 1:32 PM

SGT Beth Day — Thu, 14 Sep 2023 13:32:04 -0400

Pfft. I just say I wore the uniform, it was Uncle Sam's choice on where to send me. Of course in my day, women weren't sent to combat zones anyway (cough, cough).
I also just laugh and say my military career was stellar for missing absolutely everything ... I enlisted AFTER the Vietnam War, I was serving elsewhere during Panama and Grenada. After active, I joined the Guard. They declared peace in Desert Storm 2 weeks before we were to deploy, then I got out right before it went to Bosnia (not by choice). Oops ...

Response by CAPT Edward Schmitt made Sep 14 at 2023 1:57 PM

CAPT Edward Schmitt — Thu, 14 Sep 2023 13:57:32 -0400

You served and did what you were ordered to do. I am proud of your service

Response by SP5 David Cox made Sep 14 at 2023 2:53 PM

SP5 David Cox — Thu, 14 Sep 2023 14:53:39 -0400

I never deployed, but then again, I never got orders to deploy either. I went were they told me. Funny how that works, isn't it? After Basic and AIT, the Army sent me to Arizona. I spent the rest of my 4 years of active duty time there, then ETS'd. I don't remember the exact numbers, but I think the Army has something like 6 to 10 support people for every 1 front-line soldier. For everyone deployed, there are a large number back stateside supporting then. There is no shame or dishonor in being one of those. FWIW, even after ETS I continued to serve by working on many defense projects, including 3 years in West Berlin. Even as a civilian, I had to get orders assigning me to the Berlin Brigade. We were all 200k behind "enemy" lines, civilian and military. I may not have deployed while in uniform, but I'm proud of my lifetime of service, both on active duty and afterwards. You should be too!

Response by PFC Lisa McDonald made Sep 14 at 2023 8:10 PM

PFC Lisa McDonald — Thu, 14 Sep 2023 20:10:45 -0400

Point out we seem to do better at winning in "peacetime"! Grenada, Panama etc! Also, as many died in service in 1980 and 1981 as the worst years of fighting in the war on terror! Over 4700! Mostly in peacekeeping in the Sinai! All through the eighties the rate of in-service deaths was high! Really the biggest difference between a "peacetime Vet" and a War time Vet is whether the President acted under Authority alone or did he seek the Congress to Declare War? I would also argue pre "War on terror" there were far more attacks! They were just less deadly. See all of them but also the LaBelle Disco bombing and Lebanon bombings!

Response by Louann Thomas made Sep 14 at 2023 10:29 PM

Louann Thomas — Thu, 14 Sep 2023 22:29:39 -0400

You signed on a dotted line for ME, for America! Thank you for my freedom, thank you for your service!! You are a HERO to me...

Response by CPO Melvin Miller made Sep 15 at 2023 9:09 AM

CPO Melvin Miller — Fri, 15 Sep 2023 09:09:44 -0400

Not everyone gets deployed. We are all part of a team. Every part of the team needs to work together to make a cohesive military. When you put on that uniform you become part of that team. You then become a veteran everyday. You sacrifice your time and your youth to be in the military. The duty days the stationing away from home. Not the same benefits and pay that many others get in the civilian world. For those of us that did deploy we need that structure to protect our loved ones and the country. We need them to provide us with materials etc. I could feel safe in knowing that there was friends at the bases at home that would help and support my family when I could not because I was deployed. You put that uniform on and they did not. You could be deployed at anytime and they would be sitting at home watching. Be proud you are part of our American military. I salute you for puttingon the uniform and having the backs of those that do deploy. Thank you.

Response by Sgt Craig Waldron made Sep 15 at 2023 11:44 AM

Sgt Craig Waldron — Fri, 15 Sep 2023 11:44:18 -0400

Stop giving any consideration to that person's opinion. They don't deserve any. Or you could say something along the lines of "Thank you for letting me know your opinion." Immediately flush that garbage and don't give the person or their comment anymore thought or your time. You served your country in ways that person will never understand. Move on.

Response by CSM John Cartwright made Sep 15 at 2023 4:13 PM

CSM John Cartwright — Fri, 15 Sep 2023 16:13:53 -0400

NO RESPONSE NECESSARY,JUST SIGN LANGUAGE

Response by SPC Priscilla Whitt made Sep 16 at 2023 10:55 AM

SPC Priscilla Whitt — Sat, 16 Sep 2023 10:55:41 -0400

You VOLUNTEERED to serve your country in any way that was needed! Sometimes that means deployment and sometimes not. But you still served! Even reservists and nation gaurds are serving! Ask these civilians what did they sign up for? Oh that's right... NOTHING! YOU DESERVE the title VETERAN! Wear it proudly! And laugh at those that chose not to serve! YOU ARE AMAZING! YOU ARE A VETERAN! I AM PROUD OF YOU! THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!

Response by SGT Doug Blanchard made Sep 16 at 2023 8:29 PM

SGT Doug Blanchard — Sat, 16 Sep 2023 20:29:21 -0400

I have had civilians try to tell me the same thing at times. I am a Cold War Era Veteran. We trained just as hard as if the balloon was going to go up at any moment.
But I digress. Do not let this frigging idiot get under your skin. He, she or it is not worth it. Don't let them live rent free in your head like you are doing. They are trying to bring you down to their level, all because they were too damn chicken s**t to serve in one of the branches of the U.S. Military.
Hold your head high, and be proud that you did something that way to many others in this country never have and never will do.

Response by SGT Kevin Taber made Sep 17 at 2023 11:17 AM

SGT Kevin Taber — Sun, 17 Sep 2023 11:17:32 -0400

I would have told him to eat a dick sideways and walked out. How dare him

Response by SPC David C. made Sep 17 at 2023 2:20 PM

SPC David C. — Sun, 17 Sep 2023 14:20:17 -0400

You have two options. Option one...You can ask why they think they have the right to question you since they didn't even sign on the dotted line to begin with or, option two...my particular favorite...you can tell them to fuck off.

Response by SFC Edward Traxler made Sep 17 at 2023 3:42 PM

SFC Edward Traxler — Sun, 17 Sep 2023 15:42:40 -0400

One time in Germany I was Staff Duty NCO and just finished checking doors etc. in the Motor Poll. On the way back I slipped on black ice and lay there for a while dead center of a road. Pitch black, wind whistling, a tinkling clatter of ice crystals dancing along the ground. I just lay there and contemplated my navel until I got my wind back. That was service, that was duty. I was doing my job. I have as much respect for that as having been in combat. You did your job? Good. Thumbs up my brother or sister.

Just for a note .. because of a 15 year break in service I served in Vietnam 18 months (72B Commo Van), Desert Storm (19K gunner M1A1) and 55B/89B in Kuwait .. and ALL the bits in between some 22 years total. In that time I served with good people both overseas and conus ... and bad people in both places. If you gave honorable service then that is "good nuff". JMO.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Sep 17 at 2023 3:52 PM

GySgt William Hardy — Sun, 17 Sep 2023 15:52:48 -0400

To serve your country in the military is but one of many ways to serve your country. To serve in a public office/job is serving your country. To be in law enforcement is to serve your country. The list goes on and on. You do not have to be in the military. Yes, being a veteran, especially a combat veteran, means you were willing to put your life in harm's way, but you do not have to put your life on the line to serve.

Response by SFC Kevin Childers made Sep 18 at 2023 8:01 AM

SFC Kevin Childers — Mon, 18 Sep 2023 08:01:08 -0400

Most people aren't combat veterans because others stood ready to defend their nation and their enemies dated not rouse them to arms.

Just because the dogs are sleeping doesn't mean they won't or can't bite.

Response by SGT Kenneth Cook made Sep 18 at 2023 11:17 AM

SGT Kenneth Cook — Mon, 18 Sep 2023 11:17:26 -0400

Because we are brothers in arms I will defend you against any civilian. Also, as a brother in arms, you didn't deploy so I'm better than you. Never sweat what a civilian has to say.

Response by Rosemarie Beall made Sep 18 at 2023 1:02 PM

Rosemarie Beall — Mon, 18 Sep 2023 13:02:30 -0400

My deceased husband served during the Korean War statesidetesting and maintaining and repairing planes used during that War.
He lost his hearing because of that and committed suicide as the dementia got worse and problems associated with his service surfaced more and more.
Do not tell me, he was not a Veteran.

Response by PO3 Jerry Earl made Sep 18 at 2023 4:13 PM

PO3 Jerry Earl — Mon, 18 Sep 2023 16:13:57 -0400

Serving is like giving a blank check to our country. If they cash it you serve,if they don't you got lucky and you would have gone if they called. At least you were there

Response by SSG William Hull made Sep 18 at 2023 10:39 PM

SSG William Hull — Mon, 18 Sep 2023 22:39:47 -0400

I think it is simple, "All gave some, Some gave all". Did you receive an Honorable Discharge? You stepped up and did the duty. You can be proud of service. Less than 5% of Americans serve in one form or another and of those that do, the vast majority are in non-combat fields. Stand tall, it does not matter what anyone who has not put boots on the ground thinks.

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Sep 19 at 2023 4:45 PM

CPO Kurt Baschab — Tue, 19 Sep 2023 16:45:17 -0400

who is he to question your service?
I would have stated I do not Give one F What he thinks,

but seeing how you asked here my answer I would have given after telling him I do five one F

tell him you are Dam PROUD OF BEING A Veteran ,
Unlike him , you did not hide behind MAMMA SKIRT,
The US Gov new exactly where you were
The US Gov Knew you were Ready to be deployed around the world and you where ready to be deployed where ever they sent you. no question asked .

you were Proud to do your job wherever the United States Gov deployed you & I did it to the best of your ability!
So ladyboy Instead of Questioning me on weather Or not how I can call myself a veteran , I prefer you just say Thank you for my service, so I can politely reply to you with a thank you & say Politely
you and your family were worth it.

Instead you question my Loyalty to my country , my fellow service members & my manhood .

so this forces me to become impolite, & ask this question of you ?
I Believe you should be looking inwards towards yourself young ladyboy.

because I truly believe you are Projecting your lack of manhood & self-worth upon me,
by questioning my service to you and this country . no matter how you cut it, I served , you did not !

So I Truly believe you are questioning your own self-worth & manhood for never serving!
that ok, not everyone can be a man , some grow into young Ladyboys much like yourself , later in life might realize we all cannot grow up into men like those who served .

the real Question, that you should be asking yourself Ladyboy, is How you can you call yourself a Man for never serving?

when you answer that question, & are ready to just say thank you for your service then comeback and talk to me, and I will be polite and treat you like the young man you want to be.

Response by PVT Ted Rodosovich made Sep 20 at 2023 1:32 PM

PVT Ted Rodosovich — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:32:48 -0400

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”. Mark Twain

Response by SSG John Smith made Sep 20 at 2023 1:46 PM

SSG John Smith — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:46:30 -0400

The .hell with them. You have my respect. Anyone who put on a uniform gets my respect. Regardless of where you served or if it was combat. You put on a uniform when others did not want to. Remember, You served while others were in collage or working in a job. Don't worry about the other ones. Be Proud.

Response by PO1 Zaven Yekiazariab made Sep 20 at 2023 8:26 PM

PO1 Zaven Yekiazariab — Wed, 20 Sep 2023 20:26:51 -0400

The simple answer is that you don't. It's not worth your time. Some jackass that never served a day in their life running their mouth about your service is meaningless in the grand scheme of your life. My advice is that you don't waste time worrying about what other people think of your service. Worry about your current goals and focus on what's important like your responsibilities and your friends and family.

Response by LCpl Mary Pullin made Sep 21 at 2023 5:18 PM

LCpl Mary Pullin — Thu, 21 Sep 2023 17:18:53 -0400

As a woman in the USMC in the late 70's, I faced something similar from my fellow Marines, in that they resented that I was not deployable on ships (I was a CH-53 electrician). I told them, contact your Congressional reps, CHANGE the law!! When 9/11 happened, we were living in Mexico, couldn't get back into OUR country until 9/14 - when we got into Texas, I went straight to the local USMC recruiting office, to volunteer (had a GREAT plan for capturing bin Laden, involving a squad of menopausal women Marines!

Response by SrA Don Oberlies made Sep 22 at 2023 12:29 PM

SrA Don Oberlies — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 12:29:02 -0400

Why do you even care what this ass hole says?

Response by Cpl Craig Howard made Sep 22 at 2023 8:51 PM

Cpl Craig Howard — Fri, 22 Sep 2023 20:51:38 -0400

The only difference here is this is not an internet troll. Idiots exist all over the place. Walk away if you don't feel the need to correct them. As a combat Veteran Marine, I am thankful for all who stayed at their post in support of those deployed. There are so many important jobs to be done other than carrying a rifle and kicking in doors. I have a neighbor who served in the V.N. era in the Air Force. He was in Texas protecting some very important assets to the war effort. Is he not also just as much a Vet as you and I? If the DoD says you are a Vet, and you served with pride and integrity, I am proud to have served with you. Thank you.

Response by PO3 Ted G made Sep 24 at 2023 12:55 PM

PO3 Ted G — Sun, 24 Sep 2023 12:55:01 -0400

Remember that 99% of all Americans never served in the military at all. How dare anyone who never even served judge your service?

Response by Sara Lucas made Sep 24 at 2023 3:33 PM

Sara Lucas — Sun, 24 Sep 2023 15:33:19 -0400

Did they serve? Or lose a friend or family member?I'm a vet and served less than two years due to Mt fathers death..I never left my first posting...the bottom line us...you volunteered to serve your country in whatever role you had..thank you for that..

Response by Cpl Rosemarie SantaAnna made Sep 25 at 2023 9:52 PM

Cpl Rosemarie SantaAnna — Mon, 25 Sep 2023 21:52:11 -0400

You were NOT in Charge of What Government Needed You at!...
Those who serve should remember that!...
If Civilian complaining or negative Remark, First you SERVED & they didn't so END of that!...
I Served in NONE WAR time (Regan) and been remarked....
Yet as a Female that has been remark (only thing I could do is Paperwork or office, true)...
Yet today after 40 years out, I can collect Health Benefits & more....
So that shut most Big Mouth Up!...

Response by Cpl Charles Bacon made Sep 25 at 2023 11:51 PM

Cpl Charles Bacon — Mon, 25 Sep 2023 23:51:50 -0400

I didnt tell anyone in the last 41 years l was a veteran. I served 1979-1982. No deployments in those years. Still suffer with ptsd due to restless disgruntled chain of command above me. Im thinking if they couldnt go to war, they brought the war to us.
In retrospect, this wasnt the way to have handled it.

Response by LTC Lance Headrick made Sep 28 at 2023 3:30 PM

LTC Lance Headrick — Thu, 28 Sep 2023 15:30:46 -0400

Why do you even consider there comments relevant in the first place. People say and think those thing because they have a lack of self worth...they have imposter syndrome and attack you to feel better about themselves.

Look them in the eyes and say "Well bless you heart." Then live your best life.

Response by PO2 Paul Dempsey made Oct 5 at 2023 3:31 PM

PO2 Paul Dempsey — Thu, 05 Oct 2023 15:31:39 -0400

Look you served. So many didn't. You are at the mercy of the detailor who sends you where you are needed. You are making yourself into your so called princess but not acknowledging your own service. That person who was busting your balls about deployment probably is jealous. Next time just feel free to tell them your DD 214 weighs the same as his/hers.

Response by HA R K made Oct 12 at 2023 11:28 AM

HA R K — Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:28:45 -0400

I dealt with the same question for years until I very astute veteran reminded me of the same thing. 7 years of service in the Navy and the luck of the draw on deployment (1963 to 1970) by going to the east coast and a Med tour. I now proudly share my experiences

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2023 6:33 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Oct 2023 18:33:34 -0400

I completely forgot about this post I made so long ago. I still struggle with this, and though I didn't realize it at the time this happened, I believed it. I still do, but I'm trying to work on it. I'm trying to find purpose, trying to justify my service was actually worth something, all to myself. Nobody else. You know what they say, YOU are your worst enemy. Believe me, I know. I know all too well.

Response by PO1 Woody W. made Oct 14 at 2023 10:06 PM

PO1 Woody W. — Sat, 14 Oct 2023 22:06:31 -0400

I'm kinda late to this topic..... so better late than never....
The correct response is..... Based on current US Statute, serving on Active duty for 180 days or more on any one branch of the US Armed Forces. If anyone has a problem with those parameters or criteria.... then write and complain to their State Representatives. It's That simple.

Response by LCpl Michael Cappello made Oct 15 at 2023 10:02 PM

LCpl Michael Cappello — Sun, 15 Oct 2023 22:02:11 -0400

Ask them when and where they served. Then inform them that blowing military members does NOT count as serving.

Response by SPC Brian Stephens made Oct 16 at 2023 9:02 PM

SPC Brian Stephens — Mon, 16 Oct 2023 21:02:08 -0400

Whether you deploy or not is not up to you. Your job is to train as if you will be. I missed action in Saudi when the powers that be picked VII Corps in Europe to go to Saudi and fight Saddam. Most of V Corps stayed home. I had nothing to do with that.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2023 7:42 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 17 Oct 2023 19:42:03 -0400

You handle this by telling them to “kindly fuck off.” You then walk away.

You raised your right hand, you served the nation, you are a veteran regardless of deploying or not. Not everyone who serves deploys.

Response by Sgt Sheila Malec made Oct 19 at 2023 3:25 PM

Sgt Sheila Malec — Thu, 19 Oct 2023 15:25:01 -0400

The worst thing is when other veterans ask that question. Pisses me off. I served over 8 years on active duty. I ask, Who do you think did all the work while others were deployed?!? It's not like all of that stopped while you were gone.

I also served half that time during the Cold War. Many feel that time doesn't count. It's because of our service and show of force, that our Nation was safe. People need to wake up on this issue. I usually roll my eyes and just walk away from stupid.

Response by SFC R. Lee Linebarger made Oct 19 at 2023 8:12 PM

SFC R. Lee Linebarger — Thu, 19 Oct 2023 20:12:41 -0400

Tell them to go to hell. You had the courage and conviction to enlist and serve.

There is large group of veterans that never deployed either. Many who enlisted in the 70s and 80s.

Piss on any $.0.B. who says yiu are not a veteran, especially of they themselves never had the guts to say "I will seeve and defend".

Response by SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman made Oct 21 at 2023 3:11 AM

SP5 Larry (Lawrence) Pitman — Sat, 21 Oct 2023 03:11:16 -0400

On the day we entered the US military, we were fully aware that we about to enter a dangerous arena. We had no idea where that arena might be, Korea, Vietnam, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, Germany, Fort Benning, Fort Ord, or San Diego. Whatever the job given to us, there was likely to be some danger associated with it. As far as I'm concerned, the moment we left the safety of Mon and Dad's living room, said goodby to our family and friends, and put on the uniform, we were "deployed".

Response by Sgt Greg Nowark made Oct 21 at 2023 5:15 AM

Sgt Greg Nowark — Sat, 21 Oct 2023 05:15:00 -0400

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member - I had a viet-vet toady that was a local legend for sucking up to our draft-dodging vet-hating boss. I always wondered which had the least, and I hoped someday both could earn a measure of selff-respect instead of the arrogance they used; but I couldn't stand to be around either one.

Response by PO1 Don Benson made Oct 21 at 2023 11:58 AM

PO1 Don Benson — Sat, 21 Oct 2023 11:58:37 -0400

The phases “Go piss up a rope”, or “Go pound sand in a rat hole” are appropriate in these situations.

Response by SPC Kenneth Deery made Oct 21 at 2023 1:00 PM

SPC Kenneth Deery — Sat, 21 Oct 2023 13:00:56 -0400

What a douche bag. It is not your fault that there was no war "opportunity" for you to get in on. You took the oath, you were present, available and willing. Don't let that bullshit bother you at all. Let me tell you my recent story. ( I need to vent. )
Sitting at my local VFW, I was called out by a war vet. This guy mocked me for not being a member. I am an Auxiliary VFW member because I served in peace time 3 years Army and 4 years NC National guard but my father and Uncle served in Korea and Nam. I said excuse me and I pointed to the VFW Auxiliary badge that I was proudly wearing. He goes "Ppbttt - Auxiliary". He was mocking my Auxiliary status. I said, "Dude, did you just mock me for serving in peace time? You got a lot of nerve. I could have punched his lights out. Had to walk away. The world if full of assholes.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 22 at 2023 3:33 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Oct 2023 15:33:17 -0400

Shortly after I retired from the Navy (in '97) I met a man at church who told me he felt like he never did much during his active duty service. He was drafted after the Korean War ended and finished his tour and left before anybody ever heard of Viet Nam. I told him, Ken, that just is not true. You served. You were in the Army; you were assigned to an air defense battery; you were posted to Japan, and you did your part.

EVERYBODY who has ever worn the uniform has served their country. It does not matter what you did or didn't do during your period of service. Back in that day I was able to add, Ken, you might not have seen a shooting war -- be glad for that! -- but you and everyone else, put together, held the line against a communist dictatorship. I am absolutely convinced that in the future historians will puzzle and debate how a free, democratic society was able to hold the line against a dictatorship for 47 years.

Remember, WE WON THE COLD WAR. I would say it was never obvious that a free people would be able to muster the determination, the will, and the patient endurace for two and a half generations to pay the taxes, buy the defence, put on the uniform, and stand solidly by to prevent all-out-nuclear war. We did. The Cold War never went hot, and eventually our adversary went away.

Whether you served during the Cold War or since, the point remains the same. You served. You don't owe any explanation, or anything else, to anyone else. All of us veterans are pleased to call you brother (or sister) and those who have never donned a uniform are clueless. Don't waste your time on them. You don't owe them anything ... but they owe you a heartfelt "thanks."

Response by Sgt Javier Romero made Oct 22 at 2023 11:37 PM

Sgt Javier Romero — Sun, 22 Oct 2023 23:37:14 -0400

can't really add more to what some of the other veterans have said. Ignore the idiots you paid for them to be allowed to say that by the sacrifices that you made. You sacrificed being with family, friends, loved ones etc. To answer your question

"A veteran is someone who wrote a blank check made payable to the United States of America for an amount up to and including their life.”

Response by SPC Michael Tierney made Oct 23 at 2023 6:38 AM

SPC Michael Tierney — Mon, 23 Oct 2023 06:38:40 -0400

Only you can stop the “feeling “ from nagging at you. If you give it legitimacy, it will survive forever. The reality is that you have a job to do. Wherever you are ordered to go is where you serve. That is where you are presumed to be needed to support others in your branch of the military.
Just do the best you can wherever you are stationed.

Response by SP5 John Brown made Oct 24 at 2023 10:47 AM

SP5 John Brown — Tue, 24 Oct 2023 10:47:14 -0400

Such an absolute, insensitive remark for some one to say. I am ARMY (67 - 69 ) I was a Helicopter Crew Chief, and i was Deployed. Our phrase " back then" , ( with our country in Chaos, because of the War ) was " ALL WE HAVE,...IS EACH OTHER. " I am Proud, of whom i believe You to be.
I don`t really know You, but i am proud to think of you as My Brother.!

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Oct 24 at 2023 10:49 PM

Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis — Tue, 24 Oct 2023 22:49:14 -0400

Personally, I did my entire career in R&D, without deploying. I am proud of my service, and I wear a baseball cap with the words "AF Retired" on it. I get thanked for my service on an almost daily basis.

In order to answer your question, you should consider how your service contributed to the defense of the nation. Everything from Administration to Zookeeper would have been a benefit to the US overall defense strategy. If you did your job, and you got decent PR's out of it, along with an Honorable or a Retirement, then you can be proud of your service.

If deployment was not a central part of your position (or you just did not get the chance while you were "in"), do not hand your head. Just simply recount the contributions you did make. Not everybody deploys. You can say that, too.

Response by SGT Tim Lay made Oct 25 at 2023 10:35 AM

SGT Tim Lay — Wed, 25 Oct 2023 10:35:33 -0400

You were willing to make that sacrifice for your country if ever you were called upon to do so. This civilian wasn't and has no right to speak on any matter regarding military service or your standing as a veteran when they weren't even willing to do the same themselves. Let it roll off your shoulders Veteran.

Response by MSG Dennis Lane made Nov 11 at 2023 11:52 AM

MSG Dennis Lane — Sat, 11 Nov 2023 11:52:06 -0500

For many of us from my era, service was a requirement. For you, who joined the military for your own reasons, I have great respect. You took the oath, and like so many others, volunteered to put yourself in harm's way should you be called upon to do so. That you were not called doesn't detract in the slightest from your courage or your sacrifice. Thank you for your service. You have fully earned the title Veteran. Happy Veterans Day!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 11 at 2023 2:45 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 11 Nov 2023 14:45:14 -0500

Ignore them.

You must cultivate the attitude that inoculates you from other people's ignorance.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Nov 14 at 2023 8:33 PM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Tue, 14 Nov 2023 20:33:41 -0500

Not everyone gets to deploy to a war zone. As long as you served honorably while in uniform, that's all that should matter.

Response by SFC Howard Holmes made Nov 16 at 2023 1:04 AM

SFC Howard Holmes — Thu, 16 Nov 2023 01:04:51 -0500

You think doing a 3-year tour without deploying is bad? Try doing an entire career. Nobody has to question the value of my service, because I beat myself up constantly. I feel a totally incomplete because every time I was supposed to deploy there was something that interfered. There were times we were loaded on planes and didn't go, but the worst was, I blew out my knee. I was using a civilian doctor, so it wasn't yet in my military record. When we were getting ready to process to go to Iraq, I pulled my XO aside, as I truly trusted him. I told him what was going on and he said if I don't report it, and something happens and they find out, they will redeploy me and probably court martial me. I disclosed it and the head of the med dept. DQ'ed me from deployment. I applied for three waivers, and they were all denied. By the time the surgery occurred and I recovered and was cleared, my unit was two months from re-deployment. I was put into a high level job working with D.A. and working with recruiting command in getting potential recruits cleared of legal issues that were holding them back from enlistment. This turned out to be a high priority position, especially during the height of the engagements OEF and OIF. I put my name on three lists to voluntarily deploy, and the command denied the request because I did my job too well and it was a high impact job on recruiting efforts. Fortunately, though I've been retired for quite some time, I haven't had anybody ask me, but they don't have to, I'm in a one man Battle Royal and Cage Match, it tears me apart and feel horribly inadequate and unworthy. In your case, if somebody asks you, just ask them if they are aware that it takes 11 soldiers to support one combat soldier. From supplying gear, ammo, transportation, medical, personnel issues, pay, family support, etc. Then explain to them that you were one of those 11.

Response by SGT Steven Bolander made Nov 16 at 2023 8:23 AM

SGT Steven Bolander — Thu, 16 Nov 2023 08:23:08 -0500

Ignore them. If they have the nerve to question your service, they do not deserve an answer of any sort.

Response by CPT Weaver Gaines made Nov 16 at 2023 11:34 AM

CPT Weaver Gaines — Thu, 16 Nov 2023 11:34:56 -0500

Well, I spent 1969-70 in the Republic of South Vietnam, but was assigned by the Army to a rear-echelon position despite being an Infantry officer. And while I don't think my sacrifice or hardship equaled that of my friends and comrades who were trampling through jungle and delta, I went where the Army said and did what it told me to do. You did too, so brush off the idiocy of your interlocutor; you did your duty, and more important, recognized that you had a duty.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 17 at 2023 1:30 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Nov 2023 13:30:52 -0500

Tell them exactly what I tell them when people ask me why I did not deploy. Tell them that you wanted to, but that was not up to you. I joined the service to serve my country and protect it from enemies both foreign and domestic. While I was preparing for my career and Functional Area, and setting my goals I ran into enemies domestic in the US Army officer corps that decided that they would abuse their discretion and have me removed completely from military service based on a lie that a peer wrote on sworn statement paper without giving me the chance to defend myself. I found that these type of officers run rampant in the US Army, ones that, when given the opportuniy to do the right thing, do not. I had to sue ms. Hall in federal court and prove that she lied. She was just in for her "college money" and lied bcause she did not want to be recyled. US Army Board of Corrections falls into the ememies domestic category as well, as they refused to even acknowledge the situation let alone fix the injustice and unequitable issue - ms. Hall got her "college money" and I lost my career. She got out soon after. I am still a veteran and I would have deployed if I had been alowed to. Anyone who says different can take it up with the DMV where I got my little red indicator on my license that states "veteran" as well as my military plate. Use whichever parts of this that can help if you want to. But as for me, I am still fighting and I have a book that is now in the process of being published. It is nonfiction and names are named.

Response by SGT James Hunsinger made Nov 18 at 2023 2:37 PM

SGT James Hunsinger — Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:37:54 -0500

Yeah, this is easy and forgive my bluntness about it, to Hell with them. You signed the blank check and you put your hand up to take that oath just like we all did. We ALL did the part that the military asked us to do. You had the same chance as any of us to deploy into those theaters of operations. It just wasn't in the cards and that's nothing to EVER be ashamed of. Don't you ever let someone saying that you are not a veteran, just because you didn't deploy, get to you. If the the person is a veteran saying it to you, then they are just an ignorant dirt bag. If they are a civilian, what the hell do they know anyway? The closest they ever came to deploying was seeing it on TV. Remember, most soldiers who have deployed should be fully aware of just how much those that didn't deploy support them in so many different facets. No one who served to the best of their ability should feel any less a soldier or veteran simply because they didn't deploy.

Response by SCPO Almoe Mason made Nov 18 at 2023 11:08 PM

SCPO Almoe Mason — Sat, 18 Nov 2023 23:08:26 -0500

Well whether you deployed or not you served. Just think of all the stuff you had to endure that most civilians don't have to endure. And if ordered, you would have been in combat. I was in the Navy for 21 years riding SSBN submarines. No boat I was on ever fired a shot. Nobody better tell me I am not a Veteran.

Response by 1stSgt John Harrison made Nov 19 at 2023 3:12 PM

1stSgt John Harrison — Sun, 19 Nov 2023 15:12:55 -0500

Dear Civilians who never served, or attempted to,
You are the problem of all the world troubles today, I’m sorry to say. I served and retired from military service boot camp, basic training and ordered to various posts in the USA and abroad, always available always on duty and I never threw a live handgernade fired a round at a living person, BUT I WAS AVAILABLE TO GO. Where were you? Partying with your friends, smoking weed, snorting cocaine, MAN UP AND SHUT THE F*&k UP.

Response by SGT Kerry Sommers made Nov 19 at 2023 8:13 PM

SGT Kerry Sommers — Sun, 19 Nov 2023 20:13:50 -0500

Ask people like that if they joined to serve the country. 99% will say no do do you can say “you know where to stick it”

Response by CAPT Kevin M. McGuinness made Nov 19 at 2023 10:54 PM

CAPT Kevin M. McGuinness — Sun, 19 Nov 2023 22:54:08 -0500

My response: I’d explain it to you but first you should probably think about why, at your age, you don’t already know what it means to be a veteran.

Response by CPT John Bower made Nov 20 at 2023 2:32 PM

CPT John Bower — Mon, 20 Nov 2023 14:32:19 -0500

I was in the 101st Airborne for 2 years. I got off active duty in April 1965 and the first elements of the division went to Nam in June. I would have been in that group. I was in active reserve Special Forces for 14 years after that. My number never came up, but it certainly could have. For those civilian and military combat vets who find fault with that, I can only say, "I will take your insults as compliments and judge your ingnorance accordingly".

Response by Sandy Linden made Nov 21 at 2023 6:16 PM

Sandy Linden — Tue, 21 Nov 2023 18:16:30 -0500

I think many tie POST 9/11mw PTSD claims

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Dec 6 at 2023 11:59 PM

1SG James Kelly — Wed, 06 Dec 2023 23:59:53 -0500

Sucks being a vet.
Sucks being a civilian a whole lot worse.

Response by SPC Julia Jaworski made Dec 25 at 2023 8:57 AM

SPC Julia Jaworski — Mon, 25 Dec 2023 08:57:52 -0500

Dear fellow service member hold your head high straight and forward, there's no discharge on the ground. This should be your natural response giving any ignorance spoken to you of someone who's not served themselves, or maybe someone who has served and thinks they're service is somehow better or greater. The point is we who have served can hold our head high because we had the guts enough to put our life on the line instead of sit on the couch. The willingness to serve and the sacrifice of military duty is what matters because that's what put us either on the front line the secondary line or at post until our service time was complete. Never question or doubt yourself, no matter what other's do, it's not healthy for you and may not be healthy for others. Consider the source that such ignorant comments come from, a person who did not have the fortitude and guts and willpower to actually serve. So what does it matter what they say or don't say. A non-serving person otherwise known as a civilian would be A better person if they would defend the Constitution by voting in every election and their lifetime in a knowledgeable manner. I ask no one to put their life on the line for me, but if you haven't served in the military I do ask that you honor military peoples service to you and everyone else who's not served by voting to defend our Constitution. A civilian who votes doesn't have to put their life on the line like we have done. Matter of fact, if they don't vote I think they should lose their citizenship in our great country. We must vote knowledgeably and visit those in office instead of letting them loose in the candy jar. Let them know we're looking over their shoulder, because we can vote them out of office just as easy as we voted them into office. This very comment makes any public official very nervous because they know it's true. We need not threaten or act on civil, just let them know you have the power of the vote and you're willing to use it. Every time someone says thank you for the service I tell them I appreciate your thoughts but you would better serve the country and military by making sure you vote knowledgeably in every election of your lifetime to defend our Constitution. Our elected officials are not our country; our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, and our Declaration of Independence documents establish us as a Nation/Country. We need to make sure the credit due goes where it's supposed to, and be an oversight to secure those who are trying to manipulate it or let it go to waste. Vote knowledgeably or run for office yourself as our greatest protections to our country outside of military service. But there's no reason why every military person shouldn't be voting while in service. Take care buddy.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Dec 28 at 2023 5:14 PM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Thu, 28 Dec 2023 17:14:00 -0500

This type of question always irritates me. Mainly because the person who is asking, somehow thinks that they are better than the rest of us.
If you entered, and made it through basic training, and then received a DD 214. At the end of your service, your veteran. There are many different classes of veterans. For example, veterans who receive the Congressional medal of honor get special treatment. Of course, rank has its privileges all the way up and down the line. Each of us think our service was the best.
But to imply that some other veteran did not serve, or did not deserve recognition for serving is both arrogant and insulting. Taking one example; a Navy seal is one of his most specialized trained and recognized combat fields. When the seal goes into combat, he or she takes quite a few things with them. Weapons and ammo, communication, and a lot of training.
Someplace out there in the world. There is a supply sergeant that made sure that weapon and ammo were ready and serviceable. In another office was a bunch of service people doing paperwork and communicating what was needed and where to go. Everybody badmouth the cook, but were all glad that he or she is there, so that we can eat.
If you got ordered to a base 50 miles from your hometown, or 8000 miles across the world you went and very few cases did you have any personal input into which base you sent to.
The pilot might fly the airplane get all the credit. The ship’s captain may sail around the world. But neither one is going anywhere without a hell of a lot of people supporting them.
On an aircraft carrier There are 6000 people, about 200 of them are flight crew. All the rest, or support personnel, including the captain of the ship.
There is no one-man army. Everybody is a team member.
If someone disrespects your service, the two choices that I see are 1) laugh at them and say you do not know anything about anything. Or 2) challenge them to defend their own service. Just because you were deployed does not mean you did anything special when you got there.

Response by Jason Bowen made Jan 6 at 2024 4:43 PM

Jason Bowen — Sat, 06 Jan 2024 16:43:35 -0500

I imagine it took a lot of restraint to keep from smacking that idiot. Those kind of people thoroughly piss me off, and I am a civilian that has friends that went to Iraq and Afghanistan, and friends and family that didn't have to go to Vietnam.

Response by SSG James Knopp made Jan 21 at 2024 12:14 AM

SSG James Knopp — Sun, 21 Jan 2024 00:14:30 -0500

If you honored your commitment to serve your country honorably for those three years then yes you are a veteran. Being deployed doesn’t make you better than the next soldier. Whether it be Afghanistan, Germany, Iraq, or Korea, you’re still a veteran. Most soldiers deployed to combat zones never partake in combat operations. So if for some reason think they better than you, then I would just ignore them and ask them to move on.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2024 8:31 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jan 2024 20:31:18 -0500

Why do you even give a wombats shit about what someone who never served says? Your response should be "Ask your wife".

Response by SGT Robert Betancourt made Feb 12 at 2024 11:07 PM

SGT Robert Betancourt — Mon, 12 Feb 2024 23:07:22 -0500

Dugway Proving Grounds USATECOM was my first base. In there I tested Tatum Sarin BZ( LSD) in the field. There is constant doubt of e being "voluntold" to do this in active service. Threats have subsided as the DIS agents who hounded me have passed on. The Great Salt Lake desert will be forever contaminated and the cancel culture of the Civil Air Patrol still goes on. will be still part of the long grey line and the memories of forgotten of those who served with me and died in CONUS. Such is the life which I continue. Just like Coyote who appeared to me when Eric McKean walked into the forest with his silver star. So, I go as Nicholas Black Elk into history.

Response by SGT Richard Cook made Feb 21 at 2024 12:10 PM

SGT Richard Cook — Wed, 21 Feb 2024 12:10:42 -0500

Look that Jody/Karan dead in the eye and say "I sign the check, What did you do?"
Then to drive the point home snap to attention do an about face and walk off. you dont need peop;e like that in your life

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Mar 3 at 2024 12:36 PM

Cpl George Matousek — Sun, 03 Mar 2024 12:36:28 -0500

Igore them, you are a vet because you served, not your problem if you didn't deploy you did your job. Semper Fi

Response by SP5 Donna Barr made Mar 5 at 2024 12:20 PM

SP5 Donna Barr — Tue, 05 Mar 2024 12:20:13 -0500

Well, first of all, that's a 12th-manner, like to a football team. They've been fed the patriotical BS, and now we face the result. We all know we joined for goodies and to get out of town. And to fight for oil. BUT - she outrank you. We're public servants, right up to and including the president. Her taxes feed and clothe and supply you, your unit, and your family. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. And all this nonsense about who is "serving" is something we started, and is coming back to bite us in the butt. Thank You For Your Service.

Response by SGT Tim Tobin made Mar 5 at 2024 4:24 PM

SGT Tim Tobin — Tue, 05 Mar 2024 16:24:16 -0500

I was a medic. I served as the NCOIC of a clinic that served flight crews ans their families. I never saw combat but I saw my share of blood and death. I also spent a lot of time helping my patients, and I hope I improved the lives of some of my patients. Am I not a veteran??? I might be inclined towards violence if someone said crap like that to me!

Response by CW2 Robert Troop made Mar 21 at 2024 12:54 AM

CW2 Robert Troop — Thu, 21 Mar 2024 00:54:14 -0400

In response to deployment and being a Proud Veteran, you served your country for 3 years and I salute you others just like you who serves our nation. Being in United States Military and that you did not go overseas to fight, mention to those and most importantly to those who ask this question (civilian or other service members), "How are you even a veteran" while you were in military, you'll them that your duties and performance was just as important behind the scenes, and that you served with honor; .... and while those soldiers who fought overseas, who were badly injured, or died for our country's freedom, was a big sacrifice to all, to help keep you safe from harm and especially to keep your freedom. I would not give them any details where you were stationed or what your duties were while you were in service, for it really is none of their business what your duties were.

You ask me ... why Im telling you this story, because your story is like my story even today what I went through. I also, did not go overseas to fight, but my assigned duties contributed even behind the scenes. I enlisted in service (1973) when Viet Nam had just been declared over, (officially over 1975). I remained in the reserves for 17.5 years, until my retirement in 1994. So now you know the "rest of the story"and what to tell others. Good Luck

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Mar 23 at 2024 4:19 PM

CPO Kurt Baschab — Sat, 23 Mar 2024 16:19:08 -0400

I had this Happen to me once,
I looked at the guy, and I asked him when & Where did you serve?
he said he did not, My Reply was, Figured.

then I asked him ,
do you know the % of the American population, that is currently serving in the
United States Military?
he did not.
so I went on to inform him that it is less than 7% of the American Population, and he was of the 93% that benefited from the 7% that worked hard in ensuring his freedoms .

I told him, of that 7% that is currently serving, approximately 3% have been deployed to combat zones.
approximately 4% have not see combat, for they were sent & served in other parts of the world,
where the united states Gov needed them to be. unlike him we have joined the service, of are choice, & were not hiding, from the American Gov, or from the danger around the world.
for we are following all lawful orders, and going to where we are ordered to go.

I told him how others service members were busy providing support, to the front line service members, ensuring they had the proper Military clothing, Food, Water, Ammunition, medical supplies, etc, etc, etc, for without this support the front line service members would not Survive.

how other service members were being deployed for search and rescue, around the world, & here in America, helping American citizens in distress, due to a natural disaster, other were responding to a man made Disaster such as a oil spill, train accident. with a chemical spills, Illegal Immigration , human trafficking, etc

I then asked this person who never served, where were you when these things happen ?
my Government knew where I was, for I WAS TRAINED AND READY TO SERVE and WENT WHERE MY Government sent me, where my Gov felt they needed me the most.

then I said to him, unless you are going to say thank you for my service, I prefer you just remain silent, and keep your uniformed & Ignorant thoughts to your self.

Response by PO3 Richard Banks made Mar 28 at 2024 6:34 AM

PO3 Richard Banks — Thu, 28 Mar 2024 06:34:10 -0400

I feel the same way about my service during Vietnam. I wasn't State side, I was on an overseas assignment, however, it was not in Vietnam. I didn't see combat, I wasn't shot at, I didn't go to jungle school. So when I stand up at memorials or events and and say I am a Vietnam Veteran I do feel that perhaps I should remain seated. I spoke with my father-in-law about this as he had served in WWII, Korea and in Vietnam. He won the Silver Star for his action in WWII as a Navigator/Bombardier. He said that while not everyone deploys to a combat zone each and everyone of us answered our Nation's call. We stood up, we did our bit, whether drafted or volunteered we went and we served. It doesn't matter what we did or where we did it, it is the fact that we took the oath and we were willing to do whatever and whenever needed to be done. RWB USN ETR3 69-72.

Response by PO3 Richard Banks made Mar 28 at 2024 6:51 AM

PO3 Richard Banks — Thu, 28 Mar 2024 06:51:27 -0400

I am 74 years old and still have feelings of guilt for not going to Vietnam during my service from 1969 to 1972. I didn't go to Vietnam although I was stationed overseas, I didn't go to jungle school. I do go to events that honor the service of those who served during Vietnam (and other wars) but usually stand in the back, don't make eye contact and leave quickly. When I got out of the Navy I put my uniforms aways and didn't say much about my service to anyone because the Nation's sentiment at that time was not in our favor. Many years later while traveling on business I saw a large crowd gathered at the gate at a major airport. When the doors open to the gateway and a large number of military people came off the plane the crowd was cheering and applauding them. I thought to myself that "hey, I am a Veteran too and I should be proud of what I did!" I spoke with my father-in-law about my feelings. He had served in WWII, Korea and in Vietnam. He was awarded the Silver Star for his bravery as a Navigator/Bombardier and I respected his opinions which he didn't share very often. He said that it doesn't matter where I served or what I did...what matters most is that I answered the Nation's call, I took the oath and was prepared to do whatever my country asked me to do. Stand tall, be proud.

Response by SSG Brian G. made Apr 3 at 2024 9:25 PM

SSG Brian G. — Wed, 03 Apr 2024 21:25:53 -0400

Ok, the way you deal with that is the same way you should deal with a lot of things. Look at them, smile and walk on. Water off a duck. By their very statement they are ignorant and double down with being an asshat. You could go into a statement that anyone that makes it out of basic and AIT (or whatever it is for other branches) is a veteran. That it does not take being deployed, being in a combat zone or even seeing combat. But to do so would be you wasting your time, effort and brain cells on someone that never got it, never will get it and nothing you say will help them to get it.

No matter what branch you are, no matter what your job is, your service had or had value. You might not realize it but it does. Look at it this way. While we service members might look at certain individuals and maybe even certain jobs and at one point or other wonder why the military has them as they seem redundant or even useless... they are not. People might be useless sacks of shit but the jobs they are trained to do are not. From the cook to the truck driver to the infantryman to the Surgeon. They all have their place, their niche, their job and purpose in the war machine.

Don't let another person write the narrative for how you feel about your service. Whether you deployed or not, saw combat or not. That is irrelevant. I deployed several times and also know many that never deployed.

Take for instance the "Old Guard" who are primarily in and around Washington DC. Spit and polish, dress right dress Infantry. Many of whom never deployed. Why? Because they have what might be the roughest duty in the Army. Not just guarding the Tomb of the Unknown but when one of us comes home on their shield as the Spartans put it... they are the ones detailed to render our final honors...

At the end of the day... if nothing else sticks. Cling to this.

What another person thinks about you or your service to our country, to the branch, to the unit etc... doesn't fucking matter. You know you served, what you did and that others depended on you to do your job so they could do theirs and get the mission done. To hell with what anyone else thinks or feels about that.

Response by 1stSgt John Harrison made Apr 4 at 2024 1:36 PM

1stSgt John Harrison — Thu, 04 Apr 2024 13:36:54 -0400

I am a retired military veteran and if anyone needs to know anything about my career beyond my statement of “I served “ I will tell them it is still classified! I then walk away.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Apr 7 at 2024 8:31 AM

GySgt William Hardy — Sun, 07 Apr 2024 08:31:39 -0400

Screw them! Listen, I deployed back in 1969 and again in 2006. In 2004 I asked to be moved from the inactive reserves to the active reserves for the specific purpose of being deployed to Iraq. So, in my 50s I was granted my request and deployed. There are thousands that never deployed. The very fact that a person joined and served their country is enough for me. We serve where we are sent. In some cases, our request for transfer gets us to where we want to be.

If you get flack from a fellow service member, I question the character of that service member. If it is a civilian, asked them why they didn't serve? They could have had the same chance at being deployed as you did.

Don't let anyone get to you. You served and that's a lot more than a vast majority of the population can say. Glad you are a fellow Vet!

Response by Sgt Michael Clifford made Apr 8 at 2024 8:21 AM

Sgt Michael Clifford — Mon, 08 Apr 2024 08:21:49 -0400

I would ask them what their definition of a veteran is? Do they consider the air crew who die in a training mission when their ship soesn't return to base,, veterans? Do they consider the Coast Guardsman who dies while looking for some civilan who has disregarded storm warnings, a veteran? Do they consider Marine embassy guards posted around the world protecting our diplomats veterans? How about those young men who were not on duty but who intervened,preventing a terrorist attack and saved lives on that Paris train. Will they be veterans?

All who take the oath and serve honorably recognize that they may be summoned at any time to risk their lives in defense of the U.S. They are aware that their presence is not required like the other 99% of Americans, yet they stand ready to serve for the benefit of all.

Response by SFC Dave Nutter made Apr 12 at 2024 2:53 PM

SFC Dave Nutter — Fri, 12 Apr 2024 14:53:09 -0400

you wrote the check, he did not. fuck him

Response by SSG Steve Knox made Apr 18 at 2024 4:34 PM

SSG Steve Knox — Thu, 18 Apr 2024 16:34:34 -0400

You took an oath to serve this GREAT country both foreign and domestic after you enlisted, correct? Hold your head high Warrior, Every Warrior wasn't deployed during 911 because someone has to take care of the home front. Take great pride in your service be it stateside or deployed. you are a part of the RARE breed of American called Warrior. Only you can take that away from you.

Response by SGT William Bowers made Apr 22 at 2024 5:31 PM

SGT William Bowers — Mon, 22 Apr 2024 17:31:08 -0400

Read Patton's speech to the 3d Army (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton%27s_speech_to_the_Third_Army), particularly the parts about "an army is a team" and "Don't ever think that your job is unimportant". No one can say it better than he did.

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Response by SFC Justin Gragg made Apr 23 at 2024 11:09 PM

SFC Justin Gragg — Tue, 23 Apr 2024 23:09:53 -0400

I overheard that comment from a few combat deployed service members that they felt if you didn't serve in a combat zone you weren't a real veteran, to those assets I simply reply "Go f**k yourself!" I served and I'm a VETERAN, regardless of what you think.

Response by SPC Dwight McCullough made Apr 25 at 2024 8:21 AM

SPC Dwight McCullough — Thu, 25 Apr 2024 08:21:08 -0400

My advice is, Just ignore this IGNORANCE! I served in the MN Army Nat'l Guard. [1963-69] I had a cousin who served regular army who said the national Guard is not the REAL service.. My answer to him was, I went through the same training, except for length of time active. My total time in my 6 years years of enlistment was 18 months. Read this; https://prologue.blogs.archives.gov/2022/03/10/contact-brawls-and-chambering-the-combat-action-ribbon/#:~:text=Not%20all%20service%20members%20in,are%20assigned%20a%20combat%20role.

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Response by PFC Stephen Trynosky made Apr 25 at 2024 10:52 AM

PFC Stephen Trynosky — Thu, 25 Apr 2024 10:52:26 -0400

You can tell them they are a stupid jerk. Had a dozen uncles who served in WW 2 from Omaha, (Nebraska, not Beach) to Okinawa and the Hurtgen Forest. Several never left the states and one did not get to the ETO till the fun was over. Were they less than a veteran? It was always the luck of the draw. Uncle Sugar decides where you will go and what you will do.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Apr 26 at 2024 1:59 AM

MSgt Allen Chandler — Fri, 26 Apr 2024 01:59:10 -0400

How you respond depends on the time and place, and who is asking or talking to you.
In my opinion. If it’s a civilian down playing your importance, or just being plain disrespectful and insulting, then politely tell them they don’t know what they’re talking about and walk away because it’s not worth your time to try and educate them. If it’s someone you personally know, then you can take the time to explain that everybody that takes the oath, is subject to go where there ordered, you did your part in supporting the big machine. The soldier on the front line would look real silly if supply didn’t have uniforms for him to wear. The food, paycheck, and a thousand other things that are needed by the military are supplied by the support teams. The pilot may be in the airplane alone, but there were 100 or 1,000 mechanics that made things work. The soldier or Marine in the foxhole might be alone, but the person that made and maintained his gun, supplied them with the ammo and all the other things he needed was vital to the mission. Some of us get congressional medal of honor, but most of us just do our job.