Posted on Dec 22, 2015
When counseling dates are omitted, does that require any bullet points according to AR 623-3 or DA PAM 6-22?
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I'm being told this statement needs to be added to my NCOER under senior rater area (on the new NCOER form DA FORM 2166-9-2)
o rater failed to conduct performance counseling IAW with AR 623-3
I've looked thru both AR 623-3 and ADP 6-22 I wasn't able to find the answer please assist me on the matter thanks in advance.
o rater failed to conduct performance counseling IAW with AR 623-3
I've looked thru both AR 623-3 and ADP 6-22 I wasn't able to find the answer please assist me on the matter thanks in advance.
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Found the answer for anyone that wants is this was given to me by one of My Seniors
From DA Pam 623-3 dated 31 March 2014, towards the bottom of page 80:
"NCOER part III: block f-Counseling Dates
Action required: Enter the actual dates of counseling as documented on DA Form 2166-8-1 (YYYYMMDD). When counseling dates are
omitted, the senior rater will enter a statement in part V, block e [senior rater bullet section] explaining why counseling was not accomplished. The absence of counseling will not be used as the sole basis for an appeal. However, the lack of counseling may be used to help support other claims made in an appeal."
From DA Pam 623-3 dated 10 November 2015, towards the top of page 99:
"DA Form 2166-9-2, part II: block d1-Counseling Dates
Action required: Enter the actual dates of counseling as documented on DA Form 2166-9-1A (YYYYMMDD). When counseling dates are
omitted, the senior rater will enter a statement in part V, block b [senior rater narrative section] explaining why counseling was not accomplished. The absence of counseling will not be used as the sole basis for an appeal. However, the lack of counseling may be used to help support other claims made in an appeal."
So the truth is that "rater failed to counsel IAW AR 623-3" is not correct because it does not explain why counseling was not accomplished.
From DA Pam 623-3 dated 31 March 2014, towards the bottom of page 80:
"NCOER part III: block f-Counseling Dates
Action required: Enter the actual dates of counseling as documented on DA Form 2166-8-1 (YYYYMMDD). When counseling dates are
omitted, the senior rater will enter a statement in part V, block e [senior rater bullet section] explaining why counseling was not accomplished. The absence of counseling will not be used as the sole basis for an appeal. However, the lack of counseling may be used to help support other claims made in an appeal."
From DA Pam 623-3 dated 10 November 2015, towards the top of page 99:
"DA Form 2166-9-2, part II: block d1-Counseling Dates
Action required: Enter the actual dates of counseling as documented on DA Form 2166-9-1A (YYYYMMDD). When counseling dates are
omitted, the senior rater will enter a statement in part V, block b [senior rater narrative section] explaining why counseling was not accomplished. The absence of counseling will not be used as the sole basis for an appeal. However, the lack of counseling may be used to help support other claims made in an appeal."
So the truth is that "rater failed to counsel IAW AR 623-3" is not correct because it does not explain why counseling was not accomplished.
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SGT Kristin Wiley
If you're using the new NCOER form, I'm not sure this applies. As far as I can tell there isn't a Part V, block e on the new form. I'd check the HRC website to see if they released any information on regulation changes associated with the new form.
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CSM Carl Cunningham
There is a new AR and DA PAM 623-3 that is not effective until 1 Jan. You can find it on APD.
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CSM Carl Cunningham
Actually, you can put the rater failed to counsel IAW 623-3. I am confused in the situation though. Are you the rater or SR? And why are you SR'ing someone as a SSG. That really shouldn't be happening.
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CW3 (Join to see)
CSM Carl Cunningham in re-reading the original post, this is the rated soldier...and he's being told what's needed on his NCOER because he's probably being made to write it himself.
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