Posted on Jul 14, 2015
17C vs 25D: what's the differences, pros and cons?
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I'm looking at reclassing. I have been following 25D for a couple of years now, eager to reclass to that. I even tailored my college towards that end. While my schooling has been more about policy and management, I have no problem getting into coding and other aspects. I have added classes to my degree plan to help accomplish this. I was mildly surprised when 17C was announced and now I'm stuck...what are the big differences between the two new classes? What are the pros and cons of each?
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I graduated the 25D course in April 2015 and am assigned to the CPB. I switched from 25B to have a better chance at promotions. Nearly a 100% chance next year with my fist look as a 25D/17C. Also, the last update I got was that nearly all the 25Ds and 35Qs at the CPB will be automatically transitioned to 17C 1 OCT 2015 when the MOS officially is created.
As stated by CW4 Westbrook 25Ds are "Cyber Defense" and 17Cs are "Cyber Operations."
17C Critical Task List is more closely aligned with that of a 35Q than a 25D, but combining the skills into a single MOS provides the flexibility to legally "change hats" without having to switch seats for off/def operations.
In the near future 25Ds will be taking over all the IA/ COMSEC, and defense positions (mostly 25B slots) at the DIV/BDE levels.
I hope this helps. If you would like more info email me.
As stated by CW4 Westbrook 25Ds are "Cyber Defense" and 17Cs are "Cyber Operations."
17C Critical Task List is more closely aligned with that of a 35Q than a 25D, but combining the skills into a single MOS provides the flexibility to legally "change hats" without having to switch seats for off/def operations.
In the near future 25Ds will be taking over all the IA/ COMSEC, and defense positions (mostly 25B slots) at the DIV/BDE levels.
I hope this helps. If you would like more info email me.
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So both are groundbreaking and I recommend that if you are retirement minded and ready to blaze a new trail to get on board one of these MOSs now. You just have to look at the promotion to MSG for 25D to know that they will need to fill slots. That said, I would expect a trailblazer to give all they have to the profession to get it started and to build credibility for the new capabilities we expect from these specialties. From developing and refining METLs to performing actual operations, we cannot afford to have too long of a dwell time before we get these MOSs FOC and fully functional/effective.
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As SFC (Join to see) stated the 25D are supposed to be more defensive while the 17C can go off/def. I am reclassing to 25D in Aug and look forward to it, though my ultimate goal is to become a 170A WO. IMHO as I have been working with Cyber and Cyber Security for over 10 years now is that you can not truly know how to defend a network without first knowing how to break into one. So as the 17C are stated to be the ones that get taught both sides, I am anxious to see what the 25D school brings. I have been studying the offensive side for some time now as I have a CEH and CPT, so it is time to see what I can do in this course. If you truly want to know the difference one will require more Hacking the other will require more Vulnerability Mitigation and Incident Response.
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SSG Daniel Poulin (Retired)
lol can't wait till you attend the 25D course, and prove yourself right! You can't defend without knowing how to offend ... guess what you learn in the 25D course .. too? lol
have fun!
have fun!
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SSG Derek Scheller
I plan on it. I have heard good things about it. Hopefully, it leads me down the right path in the military.
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I am trying to re-class as well and trying to find more information about 17C and 25D. What was your biggest hurdle when trying to re-class. And what could have made it easier?
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Since no one has switched to 17C yet, the response to pros and cons can only be theoretical. 25Ds are supposed to be going out to the force, ie FORSCOM units, while 17Cs are supposed to be in Cyber Protection Brigade type units. 17Cs can also be both offense abd defense, while 25Ds are supposed to be purely defensive. On the other side, there is supposed to be more 25D slots which leaves more room for promotion.
I hope this helps.
I hope this helps.
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CW2 (Join to see)
I'm at the same dilemma, do I go 255S or 170a.. however the cyber protect teams need some good 255a's I just dont think I'm up to snuff to be a 255s
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SSG Michael Hathaway
The point of 25D slots being more abundant is theoretical too, yes? I saw In/Out calls for 25D but nothing listed for 17C. Or is it the assumption that since 25D is being pushed to units all over that there would be promotoin slots? Honestly, I'm just trying to retool my college to the requirements of either MOS so that I can get schooling for it done to make my packet a little better.
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SSG Daniel Poulin (Retired)
Chief, the approved FY16 TDA for the CPB has only '1' 255N per CPT, and the rest are 170As; 255Ss are sitting in as the 170A (Cyber Ops Planner) right now.
check the TDA on FMSWeb UIC: W6ZBAA
SGT, remember 17C doesn't go live till 1 Oct 2015, so you're not going to see anything for it till after it's active.
.. see if I can help here .. I am in UMUC's Cyber Security Degree Plan, and it doesn't matter, because the colleges are still behind the tech that we use here; sure it helps a bit, but I don't put all my eggs in that basket. If you think you're ready, Just Do It 'NIKE'
only difference at the moment is assignment possibilities; 25D is wide spectrum, and 17C is not.
check the TDA on FMSWeb UIC: W6ZBAA
SGT, remember 17C doesn't go live till 1 Oct 2015, so you're not going to see anything for it till after it's active.
.. see if I can help here .. I am in UMUC's Cyber Security Degree Plan, and it doesn't matter, because the colleges are still behind the tech that we use here; sure it helps a bit, but I don't put all my eggs in that basket. If you think you're ready, Just Do It 'NIKE'
only difference at the moment is assignment possibilities; 25D is wide spectrum, and 17C is not.
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