22 a day: More than just a number

PO2 Corey Ferretti — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:00:35 -0500

22: That is the number of veterans that END their lives every day. That is 8,030 veterans that are no longer with us come December 31, 2014. Too many veterans are dying each year and we need to do better as a nation to battle this statistic. I, for one, almost became part of that statistic last year. I was lucky my wife somehow figured out something was not right because the VA did not help me. Instead, they kept me on a zip-lock bag of medications that I told them made me feel numb and zombie-like. The medications were the reason I was ready to take my own life. They said my medications were not the problem, I just needed to get used to the “new me”. I almost accepted their reasoning, and it would have killed me if I did.

The big problem is the stigma that goes with mental health problems. I just heard someone say the other day, “people who commit or attempt suicide are some of the weakest people.” No, we are not. Some of us have been in dark places for years and ultimately see no light at the end of the tunnel. We think the only way to feel better and alleviate the burden on our families is to end our own lives. In my mind, the stigma won’t ever leave until the whole country is educated about the mindsets of suicidal people.

We need to be more proactive in our treatments of depression and mental sickness. We need to be educated on the side effects of the medicines prescribed to us. I was guilty of taking whatever the VA prescribed me without question. It seemed like for the first 2 months, every time I turned around, more medications kept being added to battle the side effects of another. Or they would ask, “Are you still angry?” and I would say yes, so they would keep upping the dosage.
I ask you all to be a good friend and look for the red flags. If you wondering what some red flags may be, I would say listen to “Red Flags” by Soldier Hard. It is a great song that will educate those who don’t really know what to look for. Don’t be afraid to talk to your friend if he looks like he needs help – realize that a veteran who seems like he is going to hurt himself, wants and needs help whether or not he admits it. I can tell you I was afraid to admit I needed help because I felt it made me look weak.

From my personal experience, I felt lost in life because after retirement, I felt like I lost who I was. To me, I was BU2(SCW) Ferretti - Navy Seabee. I did not know how to be Corey Ferretti as a civilian. I also felt like I lost my mission in life and I could not easily get hired. When I finally did get hired, I had troubles adjusting to working there since it was so different than everything I knew. They were great employers, but I just walked out because I could not deal with my own life. I think if more veterans knew to focus on finding a new mission in life once they got out, it would help them so much. There are many veteran-focused groups out there, like Team Rubicon for example, who provide disaster relief. Find something that you love and find a way to make it your work. For me, horses saved my life. I am now apprenticing as a Farrier - I have a lot to learn, but I get to work with horses every day and they are my therapy.

I’m sure there are others on RallyPoint who wouldn’t mind sharing their stories in order to help those who might be in a bad place but don’t want to bring it up. If you’re in a bad place, I would be happy to talk more about my story if you have any questions. A question to other veterans: how have you found your new “life mission” after leaving service?

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Dec 17 at 2014 2:33 PM

SGT Michael Glenn — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:33:17 -0500

We will never overcome this issue nor any other issue of the like as long as we as a people do not finally stand up to a corrupt government and right the wrongs done to both the poeple and the laws that are supposed to govern this once great counrty. We have no business invading ANY country when we cannot or more likely will not address and solve issues at home 1st and foremost. As a disabled vet I am confronted with actually seeing how much my supposedly caring government actually cares for me, it was attempted to bust me down to the lowest rank they could muster when I was going through medical separation to reduce the amount of disability I would receive back then. In 96 I recieved a final letter from the VA stating that even though I filed all paper work properly back in 92 that because I was not living in the continental US I was not eligible for ANY type of medical or disability.Once getting back state side in 2010 I was told I WAS entitled and was helped to re-submit all forms and yes I requested it back dated to 92 since I did it all properly back then and just had a corrupt system to deal with but was only awarded from 2010 because the letter stated that I more or less was crazy if I thought that the VA was gonna pay me all those years for their mistake and neglect. Current day I have to fight with the VA on everything, have to put up with snot nosed interns with attitudes tell me to shut up and I have no say on how my medical treatments will be done, I have to put up with setting in the ER for 4 hours with heart attack symptoms, only to find out I had a stroke too and that there must have been some miscalculation at the front desk. I have to put up with being told I will be escorted out of a VA facility if I disagree with my PCP one more time, they treat you like shit knowing we have PTSD and other issues and wonder why you get pissed only to leave the VA feeling unwanted and unloved like you are a burden to them. So yes I can Honestly see why we loose so many brothers and sisters to a non caring system.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 2:34 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:34:34 -0500

Thank you for sharing your story. You touched on a subject that many do not or are afraid to talk about. I really commend you because it is not easy to tell your story. I believe we all deal with a dark side from time to time. But the difference is how one deals with it. I hope for the best for you in your new career. And if you ever need a ear we are here to listen. God bless you PO2 Corey Ferretti

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 2:46 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:46:51 -0500

That number would be too high at one. While suicide prevention is adressed and counseling and help offered, improvements still need made. Often times starting with family and friends just paying attention and listening. Then when families or friends do try to get help for individuals they often run into barriers or are not heard. It is wonderful to hear that your wife identified the issue and helped save your life. God bless you, and thank you for speaking out.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 2:52 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 14:52:35 -0500

I believe it comes down to finding a purpose greater than self, be that family, God or some worthy cause. That’s the first step, the second is having a strong support network. People that love you, know you, accept you and understand that the combination of your injuries and medicines can put you in a state that makes death very attractive. I think the solution would be making sure every Veteran had those two things, I have no idea how we could do that.

Response by Sgt Terry Hall made Dec 17 at 2014 3:22 PM

Sgt Terry Hall — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:22:23 -0500

I had no idea! I don't know anyone that I served with who chose to end their life. It's not common for my MOS to experience direct combat, so that may be why.

Response by SSG Robin Rushlo made Dec 17 at 2014 3:28 PM

SSG Robin Rushlo — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:28:42 -0500

It means that 22 have felt by the treatment or lack of treatment no one CARES how they are or feel. No one wants to help.

Time to stop this and vote the stupidity away. Starting in OK

Response by PO3 Brendan "Smitty" Smith made Dec 17 at 2014 3:50 PM

PO3 Brendan "Smitty" Smith — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:50:17 -0500

It means we haven't done a very good job looking after our brothers and sisters who didn't come back whole. Because the stat has actually gone up to 23 per day. That's why I've joined groups like http://www.warriorpointe.org and http://www.battle-bro.com

The VA hasn't done their job and I have no confidence they will get better. It's up to us. We are our brother's keeper.

Warrior Pointe

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Response by SFC Boots Attaway made Dec 17 at 2014 4:55 PM

SFC Boots Attaway — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:55:59 -0500

Glad you are still with us brother.

Response by PO2 Jonathan Scharff made Dec 17 at 2014 6:01 PM

PO2 Jonathan Scharff — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:01:59 -0500

Honestly, reading this actually made me a little sick to my stomach. I can't say that I am surprised. I certainly don't remember a time in my life that we have taken care of Veterans and I am sad to say that I don't know if I am ever going to see a time that we do. The VA seems to continue to take one step forward and two steps back. Everyone is so outraged time and time again when they hear the atrocities that are committed in the VA system. So what do we do? We appoint a new Secretary and we think we have fixed something.

I have said this before and I will say it again. What is more important then a country taking care of those that put their lives on the line in defense of their country?

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 6:25 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:25:07 -0500

Bless you for being brave enough to share your personal experience. I'm glad you are still with us brother. I believe until the stigma is removed, more folks will hide in the shadows ashamed to have their conditions known and fearful of the potent medications.

Response by SSgt Todd Ricker made Dec 17 at 2014 6:31 PM

SSgt Todd Ricker — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:31:21 -0500

WOW, thanks for sharing your story Corey. Took a lot of courage to share your experience, thank you! I have lost 2 very good friends to suicide and looking back, I wish I would have been more in tune with their needs, and seen the signs.
Looks like you have found your new "mission", at least on RallyPoint and in your day to day contacts.
Stay strong and encouraged!

Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Dec 17 at 2014 8:10 PM

SPC(P) Jay Heenan — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:10:36 -0500

Stories like yours will help end the stigma of mental health problems, but for most of society, until it directs effects them, they will carry the same view. How sad it is. Those of us who serve (or have served) understand that when you are talking about 13% of the population, 22 a day is a pretty big deal. Going through the MEB right now, mental health doctors who evaluate you are now using a different diagnosis instead of PTSD, they are using 'Major depressive disorder, recurrent, mild to moderate with anxious distress'. They switch out 'mild to moderate' to adjust to whatever severity required. See what they did there? I think during our annual training, instead of a suicide power point, bring in real survivors and make it a forum based discussion. Actually talk to those who have been down that dark road and (thank God) made it out the other side.

Thank you for sharing your story, I hope you continue to get better and find your reason to say hello to the sun each day! God Bless you brother!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 8:23 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:23:08 -0500

This music group has gone a long way to help with Veteran donations and awareness regarding aspects of homelessness to PTSD. There are agencies listed at the end of this video to contact for help. This song means a lot to me as well as the band. More influential people need to help bring the 22 a day number down to 0. http://youtu.be/o_l4Ab5FRwM

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Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 8:27 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:27:25 -0500

PO2 Corey Ferretti Thank you for having the courage to share your story with us. I don't know why but I am almost indifferent to most of societie's woes. However, whenever I read about the trials and tribulations that our service members and fellow veterans deal with just to get treatment from the VA it always brings tears of rage to my eyes.

I personally have avoided contact with the VA as much as I can, having seen first hand the BS my mother has had to deal with from the VA.

I've made a resolution that in the coming years I will become actively involved in helping vets in need be it from depression/PTS or homelessness. I think vets should be able to look to each other for help and the system can be damned.

I think it's awesome that you've found working with horses to be therapeutic! Bravo Zulu my brother!

Response by LTC Benjamin Gonzalez made Dec 17 at 2014 8:47 PM

LTC Benjamin Gonzalez — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 20:47:35 -0500

I fully support Team Rubicon as a vehicle for veterans to find that connection. That connection helps move away from that suicide danger zone.

Response by SGT Charles Vernier made Dec 17 at 2014 9:17 PM

SGT Charles Vernier — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 21:17:59 -0500

I almost took my own life last Christmas after a nasty divorce that left me with nothing but a pile of debt that my ex wracked up. Now I wear this shirt because I was fortunate not to be one of the "22" that day. If any of you are struggling please reach out!

Response by Sgt Adam Jennings made Dec 17 at 2014 10:08 PM

Sgt Adam Jennings — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:08:11 -0500

Check out this organization. Spread them all over Facebook. They help get the word out and raise awareness for this issue. It is something I strongly believe in. It breaks my heart every time I hear of a brother or sister taking their own life. It really ticks me off when I find out they sought treatment through the VA and were either turned away or put on a "list".

Response by Sgt Adam Jennings made Dec 17 at 2014 10:10 PM

Sgt Adam Jennings — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 22:10:25 -0500

Oops, forgot topmost the link.

http://www.22kill.com

Response by SSG Tim Everett made Dec 17 at 2014 11:52 PM

SSG Tim Everett — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 23:52:32 -0500

Critical legislation that would address the epidemic of veteran suicide was blocked in the Senate by a lone senator two days ago. The Clay Hunt Suicide Prevention for American Veterans (SAV) Act was effectively shut down by Senator Tom Coburn (R-Okla), an outgoing senator who seems to actually revel in his status as a senator that blocks legislation.

Funny, Senator Coburn sure as hell voted to send us to Iraq and Afghanistan, but when it comes time to support veterans he spits in our face. Send 'em to war, boys! Screw 'em if they make it home! Personally I'd endorse an executive order mandating that Senator Coburn personally dig the graves of every veteran who commits suicide. No, not hyperbole either.

Response by SGT Charles Vernier made Dec 18 at 2014 12:02 AM

SGT Charles Vernier — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 00:02:03 -0500

Here is the back of the shirt I wear frequently. They are available through rangerup.com and a portion of the sales goes to Team Rubicon.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2014 8:13 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:42 -0500

Some experts say that number may be as high as 27 a day. We need to be more involved with our folks in the service and after they leave. We cannot be afraid of this because these people want our help.

Response by LTC Jason Strickland made Dec 18 at 2014 8:13 AM

LTC Jason Strickland — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:13:28 -0500

PO2 Corey Ferretti, thanks for your transparency in this blog post - very much appreciated! I work for an organization that has had tremendous results addressing suicide. Project Sanctuary (http://www.projectsanctuary.us) offers therapeutic retreats for the entire family. We've helped families just like yours address many of the concerns you mention. Let me know if I can be of service in any other way.

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Response by SSG Trevor S. made Dec 18 at 2014 8:43 AM

SSG Trevor S. — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:43:13 -0500

What it means to me is that not only is our "system" of benefits failing us, we are failing ourselves. WE ALL have that buddy that needs a friend. If "THEY" (VA, health care professionals, Chain of Command ect...) refuse to do anything to help more than CYA briefs, we as friends need to step up and be all that we can be.

Response by SSG Tim Everett made Dec 18 at 2014 9:04 AM

SSG Tim Everett — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 09:04:04 -0500

I'm sort of a big advocate for transparency and support on veterans issues. I support several initiatives that try to address issues like suicide among veterans and troops, for example. So the more I think about how badly a single senator has screwed us over on a suicide prevention bill, the angrier I get. It feels like heartbreak. I assume we all know what that feels like.

I'm going to say something, make a sincere gesture, that I hope will resonate within this community, that I hope will make the rounds and inspire others to do the same. All of us have served (as far as I know). Many of us have served in OEF and/or OIF. Many of us could potentially be a statistic. And this is not okay -- it doesn't sit well with me, but that's how life is.

If any of you -- ANY of you, no matter how old, what gender, what branch, what war, what rank -- are ever getting close to the edge and you need to talk to someone... particularly those of you who secretly fear that your career will be affected... if you guys need to talk to someone, REACH OUT. You can call me any time of day or night, and I'll stay on the phone with you and we can talk it out. My hand is extended for any of you. All you need to do is send me a message and I'll give you my phone number.

Response by LTC Scott O'Neil made Dec 18 at 2014 10:04 AM

LTC Scott O'Neil — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:04:43 -0500

Suicide is a problem for those who serve and served in the Armed Forces It gets worse around the holidays. Why, the feelings of being alone and depressions are amplified by the cheer and happiness of others. I have pondered this subject and jotted down some thoughts from thoughts and stories shared with me over time. If you see a brother or sister in arms who look like they are in distress. Don't ignore them give them a hug and tell them they are never really alone and there are others out there who feel the same way and people who want to help.

This short story is entitled "Will Any One Miss Me"

Two year ago, every day I would fall into formation with my brothers and sisters in arms, we would joke and smoke together. During those days I was never alone, everyone watched out for each other. We fought together not because we had to we did it for the person to the left and to the right. We gave our all for each other; sometimes we gave the ultimate sacrifice for each other. We were never going to let one of our own die alone.
In combat we fought together, slept together and sometimes cried together. I was never alone; there was always someone to my right or to my left. I could count on that person to cover my ass. I would give my life for those I shared those moments with. I would give my life for one of them and they would do the same for me. If I were to die on the battlefield, I would be missed by my brothers and sisters in arms.
Today, I am alone all the time, there is no one in the foxhole next to me, no one to my right, no one to my left. There is no one out there who would die for me. My family doesn’t understand me, the doctors tell me I am depressed and I suffer from PTSD. They prescribe me medication and I go to group with others and share my experiences, not the good, only the bad.
Yet, it is just the lonely feeling I have and no one to share it with. Is there no one out there who would cry for me if I were to die today? Yes, I have a family. They do not understand why I miss being in uniform, why I miss the comradery of combat and being in the Armed Service. If I were to die today is there anyone out there who would miss me.
Yes, I am alone, there are days I sit and remember my Squad Leader, my older brother. I look to the sky for advice from my Platoon Sergeant, my father. I await the motivational speech from the” Old Man” as he was affectionately call, my Commander. The words never come they just ring in my head in dreams of days gone by and places with names I cannot pronounce.
If I were to take my life today, would anyone miss me or would I become another statistic for the Veterans Administration to quote. Will I be laid to rest in a grave where I will never be alone? Will I again be with my brothers and sisters In Arms laughing and joking in an eternal formation? Will I be laid to rest in uniform again, with someone to my left and someone to my right? I want to be laid to rest in Arlington. If not there, then lay me to rest in another military cemetery where I will never be alone again. I want to feel at home again with my brothers and sisters in eternal formation at rest, yet never alone and never missed.

Response by PO1 Chris Crawley made Dec 18 at 2014 1:30 PM

PO1 Chris Crawley — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 13:30:30 -0500

It took years for the military, VA, and other health care and mental health professionals to take PTSD seriously with Vietnam vets. Why it has taken so long with Afghanistan and Iraq vets, when we already had the Vietnam example, is inexcusable, but we are now turning that corner.
Unfortunately, our best weapons in this fight are not those professionals, but rather our brother and sister vets, our families, and our friends.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Dec 18 at 2014 2:30 PM

MSG Brad Sand — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:30:32 -0500

1 a day is too high. 22 is a tragic crime that should not be hidden from the Nation.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2014 3:16 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:16:44 -0500

http://www.financial-planning.com/news/practice_management/landmark-military-suicide-prevention-study-approved-by-congress-2691414-1.html

Interesting points brought up in this future research. Seems if a trillion dollars are being invested, there will be some clinical pearls we can share with our troops.

Stand by for the results...

Landmark Military Suicide Prevention Study Approved by Congress

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Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2014 5:53 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 05:53:48 -0500

This is going to sound harsh and I know it is. But 22 a day really doesn't hold that much meaning to me. Before I get slammed with others telling me I'm cold/callous etc. please hear me out.

I have dealt with PTSD since returning from Desert Shield/Storm in April 1991. It has cost me one marriage and maybe a couple jobs. In 1991 we didn't have all the mental health programs that we have in place today. Like the Viet Nam vets before us, we were left to deal with our problems the best way we could. I was depressed, lonely, guilt ridden. Every day I returned home from work it was a struggle to not sleep in my vehicle in the garage with the engine running and windows down. My wife at the time didn't want to hear about my experiences. In her words "that was before us'. I couldn't afford to seek professional help and in 2003 she divorced me.

I was diagnosed with PTSD in 2008 after returning to active duty in 2006 after seeking help while assigned to the Ft. Campbell WTB as a squad leader.

In the years I have struggled to come to grips with what happened in the desert of Iraq I am proud to admit that I never succumbed to using alcohol or drugs in order to deal with daily life and my demons.

The reason why 22 a day doesn't mean a lot to me is this; my door is always open, my phone is always on, my ears are always available to listen. I may not have the answers (hell, I don't even have all the questions) but I know how to find a Soldier the help they need. Or I will just listen if that's all they desire.

I understand what it's like to not want to continue to live. To struggle day to day. To be alone even when in a crowded room. With all the programs today, I feel there is no excuse to suffer in silence.

No, I don't enjoy reading about a Soldier taking their own life. But I have survived almost 24 years with PTSD. Yes even with therapy some days are still a bitch.

I do care about the welfare of Soldiers. And if they're suffering and don't want to talk to me about it, I pray they will seek someone to talk to or allow me to get them the help they need.

Response by PO2 Steven Erickson made Dec 19 at 2014 5:55 PM

PO2 Steven Erickson — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 17:55:08 -0500

It means I need to get off my ass and help in any way I can. I'm going to find my role in this mission.

Response by SSG(P) Matthew Bisbee made Dec 24 at 2014 9:00 PM

SSG(P) Matthew Bisbee — Wed, 24 Dec 2014 21:00:25 -0500

I live every day with the dark specter of suicide hanging over my shoulder. Soldier Hard, Stephen Hobbs, J-Duece, and the rest of the RedCon-1 music group have been a Godsend. If you don't know who they are, search for them on Youtube or iTunes. I don't like rap or hip-hop music, but the message these guys send is life saving.

Response by SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS made Dec 25 at 2014 9:57 AM

SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS — Thu, 25 Dec 2014 09:57:43 -0500

PO2 Corey Ferretti Thank you for having the courage to share this story. Life is a struggle. For many of us, life becomes a daily one after we depart active duty. Like you, when I departed active duty I felt lost, in most ways I still do. I look backwards and am convinced that the majority of my life’s accomplishments happened while I served and now, I have little to look forward to.

I have attained two great jobs since I left active duty and retired. The first one was as a civilian Army CID Special Agent. I investigated sex crimes, crimes against children, and child death cases. I lasted sixteen months before I burned out and flamed out. Now I work for the US Department of Homeland Security in an innocuous position which I somewhat enjoy, but feel vastly under employed and at times as if my position does not matter.
My therapy is my dog, Zora. She has been a true gift. Zora is a very happy dog; she was a rescue from a Shelter near Fort Bragg, NC. In the end, she rescues me more often than I ever could her. The wag of her tail, the light in her eyes, and her jumping on me is stress reducing and she occupies a large place in my heart.

I still struggle, and believe I always will. Living to fight another day is still the goal. I wish I felt more appreciated for what I do and also had a sense of self-accomplishment in my career. I keep plugging away, being cautiously optimistic. My best friend for over a decade is a statistic of the 22 a day. He mixed alcoholic beverages and potent pain killers. He just couldn’t deal with his issues adjusting. We had just talked and he showed no signs at all.

So, to answer your question, have I found my new life’s mission? Yes and no. Yes, because taking care of my canine companion is very important. No, because from a career perspective what I have now is just a job, not a calling.

Response by PO3 Maria Flasher made Dec 27 at 2014 1:09 AM

PO3 Maria Flasher — Sat, 27 Dec 2014 01:09:50 -0500

I have considered, more times than I care to admit, having seriously considered killing myself for one reason or another. I think that many veterans feel put out by their government, that they feel those in the highest tiers of the government, don't care about their wounds whether they be internal or external. Worst yet when I left that active duty military ranks, there were a lot of things that no one told me about as far as getting help and becoming a productive member of the civilian community. I was still very young and couldn't have known the right questions to ask and that made the whole thing even more difficult. The desire to hurt myself these days has become more rare; not because of medications or support groups, but because I have something worth living for now. What would I like to see done for my brothers and sisters still out there serving? That they never have to be burdened with the many questions that I was left with and that the government starts to take veterans more seriously.

Response by SFC (CA) Roland Dell made Dec 27 at 2014 7:07 AM

SFC (CA) Roland Dell — Sat, 27 Dec 2014 07:07:19 -0500

It means to me that veterans have lost hope, is the simplest way to put it.
Everything on earth is geared towards "one's success in the world", (especially today).
I am reminded of what an old boatswain's mate chief once told me, about growing up in the depression. He said when many of the "affluent" lost all their material possessions, and status in life: he remembered many diving out of skyscraper windows...

He looked at me and said; "you would make it though" - ... It seems he was able to "read in me", the "hope" which was present within, despite the hardships of life.
I ascribe this to my faith in my Lord, who has blessed and kept me from "cares of the world" which can overwhelm many. I'm not saying I have all the answers; only what has given me strength and comfort within my life.

Response by SSG Dedrick Benson made Dec 27 at 2014 10:24 PM

SSG Dedrick Benson — Sat, 27 Dec 2014 22:24:38 -0500

It is horrible to know that 22 veterans end their lives daily. I feel that our country should do more to help those who suffer from mental problems. We ask many men and women to serve their country whole heartily but what about serving them whole heartily after they return. This has always been a touchy topic.

Response by SGT Charles Vernier made Dec 31 at 2014 1:18 PM

SGT Charles Vernier — Wed, 31 Dec 2014 13:18:50 -0500

I have been off of here and most other aspects of my life the last few days 12/28/2013 was the day that I tried to end my own life. It was a difficulty few days to get through, even with help. I pray that more of our veteran reach out, and that more people reach out to our veterans to get that number down.

Response by SGT Forrest Stewart made Jun 7 at 2015 4:26 PM

SGT Forrest Stewart — Sun, 07 Jun 2015 16:26:25 -0400

There's an excellent message here. Never give up. Reach out for help. The help is available if you only ask. We are all here for each other. No one is alone....

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jun 7 at 2015 9:31 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 07 Jun 2015 21:31:00 -0400

It was more informative of the problems that exist, however, their paradigm was inaccurate as the Vietnam era veterans are committing suicide at about 15 per day vs 7 for the 9-11 veterans. We can't just wish away the 15 per day.

Response by PV2 Abbott Shaull made Jun 12 at 2015 5:53 PM

PV2 Abbott Shaull — Fri, 12 Jun 2015 17:53:27 -0400

I think as SM, Retirees, and Veterans we are doing Piss Poor job in having the back of our brother and sisters in arms. With that said, the Command of the Units of SM, Tri-care, the VA, and local Mental Health are failing big time for they are the secondary net that is suppose to catch them after we fail. The Fail Safe as it were. Just sad that may of us seem to lose to hope and have to take their lives.

I myself was there earlier this year, but that was after years of being bullied by my wife, and her family. She had learned I was diagnose with Depression when I was in the 82nd. I think to this day it was PTSD, but that another story. Well for short story, after she found out, for years she had been riding me about little things. When she did this she would trap me in our bathroom where I didn't have no way out, she knew I wouldn't raise hand to her. She yell and badger me until I walk past her, and walk out the door. With her scream I wasn't man for not staying to settle what ever this fight was about. Usually it was bullshit.

During this time I was taking classes at Lake Superior State University for Computer Science BS degree. Well when I was to graduate she knew we would have to move, I believe she was doing lot of this so she and kids could stay in the U.P. of Michigan. Well anyways, I had money saved about time to graduate, so we could move after I had secure employment. Well about time I started my last term of classes. Her brother and sister-in-law who lived in Arizona broke up. She took the car and kids to PA, and he had nowhere to go, so he moved up to where we lived. We lived with her dad, since he was unable to live by himself due to auto accident several years before. Well a month later his wife calls up and tells him, he has to come and get the kids. So he heads out to bring the kids back, the thing is we don't have any room to sleep the three kids with our two without getting bunk beds. Also her brother doesn't have money to go out to get the kids. So we loan out money, and go out buy bunk beds...err... October and the kids show up no heavy coats, shoes, boots, hats, or gloves. Clothes they had weren't good for school...Remember the money I said I had saved up. Well it was going fast... Within two weeks his wife calls and now she needs a place to say and needs gas money.

Well his wife gets there, and then my wife dad gets to the Hospital, he has staph infection, three balls of it in his belly they need to drain. Well they couldn't deal with it at the Hospital at the Sault Ste. Marie, MI where we live, so they sent him to the Hospital in Petoskey. 120 miles away and across the Mackinaw Bridge, well her dad didn't want to go, Jennie had to send her down, and it broke to send him. He never forgave her for it, yet I was her rock even though she had kept nagging me for the previous years. I had hope we would get closer.

Well her father was in hospital out of town for 3 months. They found about dozen things that could of killed him. He came home just after I graduated, and was 100% care. I went out tried to land job down in Lansing and Detroit Area, but no luck later to come to find out I have Seizure disorder but not find that out for another 7 years. Well we had one sister-in-law who was staying with her while I was out of town, and she wouldn't take her meds or go back home for her doctor appointments to get her meds. So I had to quit leaving town, and stay home to drive her and her dad around to appointment 4 to 5 days a week. Kinda hard to get a job when the appoints were spread out throughout the day. He also developed a habit when he needed something at home, on Jennie could get it. Even if she wasn't home, she was the only one who could so it for her. It was getting so bad, one night he intentionally fell to the floor. It took three of us to lift him back into his chair, three times because he was throwing himself back down. Last time he did, I told him if he landed back on the floor again, I would be calling 911 and he would be back in ER, because he must have some type of ear infection affecting his balance. He stayed in his chaired and straighten out, funny how former RNs hate going to the ER.

Well we went out see Jennie other Sister for Christmas, and at this time left the other Sister at her place. When we went home, shortly there after her father came out and said he wanted to move out to be near his other grand kids. So Jennie made the arrangements and had found 4 bedroom townhouse unit that nears her sisters we could move into. During this time Jennie started to nag again, due to the stress. Her dad new complaint had been for long time had been we had stop paying rent, but since he was out of the hospital, we were doing lot more for him. Before then he taking care of himself, doing much more, I was getting funding to go school. Afterward with having to drive him to appointments at all hours of the days, having to keep an open schedule so help get him scheduled for his appointments when they had openings. He didn't quite understand that concept if he had to have someone else come in he would be paying them we were doing free more or less, we provide meals and took care of our and our kids needs.

Well we moved, and he suddenly decided he wasn't going to pay anything. Even though it was his idea to move in the first place. This caused more stress, and Jennie and her sisters would start nagging at me. It became past time, where Jennie and one sister or her mother would sit there nag all the time over all sort of things. Well there happen to be fight between me and her father over the fact he kept knocking for things, and Jennie wasn't up, and he didn't want anything and waiting for Jennie. I told him he the one doing without not me. Pissed him off, and then her sisters came down and we had blow out. I was called everything but white. I was threaten that if anything happen to Jennie that they would see that I would never see my kids again ever.

Well after that my wife found that life easier her dad moved out of the house down to her sister. She decide she would take him to show me that her dad wasn't the problem and that I was. Well after first week she found he was the royal pain, but Jennie wouldn't take him back. She realize that the tension she had was gone, we weren't at each other throat. Seems like she had forgotten about trying to drive me out of her life for the time being. About 3 months later he found himself in nursing due to out of control blood pressure spikes. Drove Jennie over the edge, and she said she would like break so I took time at cousin for a while. Before I went down and while down in Saginaw I had tried to go see V.A. mental health worker. Jennie and her sister who suffer from Depression were insisting that I see one for my Depression, which the claim I was suffering from (well yeah from their games). Well the time I was in Saginaw was the time the news broke out about Pheniox. Came back her dad spent 9 months in the nursing home before he died. I think Jennie was starting to have mental break down. My daughter at 13 was starting to have mental breakdown too, she had lived with her grandfather all her life.

Well after his death the nagging started again, with Jennie and all the Sister and Mother. It got so bad Jennie was demanding that I see someone about my mental health, which I didn't think I needed too. I didn't want to non-VA mental health work, and didn't trust talking about what was happen in home life due to the fact that one of my abusers actually went to the same clinic. I am sure I was already label as the abuser, so no sense of trying to throw that label off my back there. Well around Thanksgiving and Christmas she kept hinting she wanted nothing more than have gone, stop having anything to do with me. Really think about this time she had found another lover, but that another story. About the same time her nephew had gf throw him out just before Christmas, and she with her sister called this gf who was family friend everything, but a friend of the family.

Well out wedding anny is Feb. 14. On Feb. 4th I came back home to told that I had to move out, and I would be out by the weekend, she could care less I just paid bills that were only in here name out account in my name only that left me next to nothing to live on for 3 weeks. Or the fact, that my name was still on the Rental Lease, so technically she had to give me 30 days. The fact, is I couldn't take the mental abuse, and she kept harping and said more than once I should move to Saginaw Area since I had family there and VA Hospital there. So I left, in hindsight she was baiting me to leave.

Since then I have seek counseling and much calmer. No longer under the stress of being needle all the time. Filed for Divorce and trying to get partial custody of my kids. Found out I do suffer from Seizures too. Will be filing for 100% non-service connected unemployable here shortly. Trying to stabilize myself, and trust people again.

Look for that some out there who loves me for me. Not acting as gold digger.

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Jul 21 at 2015 12:02 PM

SPC Margaret Higgins — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:02:00 -0400

Indeed, THAT IS THE NUMBER OF VETERANS THAT COMMIT SUICIDE PER DAY.
By clicking on this link, you will get straight to my Group for Suicidal Active Duty and for Suicidal Veterans; on Facebook. http://www.facebook.com/groupforsuicidalactivedutyandforsuicidalveterans

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Jul 21 at 2015 12:05 PM

SPC Margaret Higgins — Tue, 21 Jul 2015 12:05:25 -0400

YOU ARE NOT WEAK IF YOU NEED HELP; NOR ARE YOU WEAK IF YOU ASK FOR HELP. YOU ARE HUMAN. WE ALL NEED HELP.
THE NUMBER FOR THE NATIONAL SUICIDE PREVENTION HOTLINE is: [login to see] .
DIAL 1 FOR VETERANS AND ACTIVE DUTY.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 16 at 2015 4:50 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 Aug 2015 16:50:34 -0400

These facts are staggering i don't know how to comprehend them. I personally had issues after my second tour of Afghanistan after being wounded on the tour. One thing i noticed was that i was scared of what people would think. I was fortunate to have a really good chain of command that was approachable who straight away noticed me and that things where going wrong and they put me into the correct care and after a period of time i was fine and still serve today. Whilst still serving it comes down to that you need to know your men as leaders and the minute that your men stop coming to you with their problems then we as leaders of men have failed them. Within civilian life I'm not too sure of what can be done but the same level of care should be afforded to veterans and serving members alike. Another comment states that one person doing this is too much and the system has failed them... outstanding comment too true.

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Aug 17 at 2015 7:24 AM

SPC Margaret Higgins — Mon, 17 Aug 2015 07:24:44 -0400

PO2 Corey Ferretti, I have a Group for Suicidal Active Duty and for Suicidal Veterans- on Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/groupforsuicidalactivedutyandforsuicidalveterans

Response by PO3 Steven Sherrill made Aug 17 at 2015 11:34 AM

PO3 Steven Sherrill — Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:34:36 -0400

PO2 Corey Ferretti thank you for sharing your battle, and you nailed it! Even the way we refer to it mental health "issues" makes it seem like it is something that can be swept aside like it is a personal problem as opposed to the serious medical condition that it actually is. Once we remove the stigma that goes along with these serious conditions, then we can start the healing process. I will say it until it happens the only acceptable number is ZERO! The VA not helping is sad, but not surprising. There are so many with easily identifiable physical injuries, and those physical injuries are so much easier to treat than an injury to the soul.
The first thing that needs to be established is trust. The injured party needs to trust that the care giver is genuinely trying to help, and not simply paying "lip service" or even worse judging that injured person. If the person who needs help doesn't feel that they can trust the care giver, they will never open up to the care giver. If they won't open up to the care giver, then they cannot begin the healing process. Even worse, if the person in need of help feels that they are being judged, they will close up, internalize more, and then their condition deteriorates instead of improving.
We need a system where first off mental health before, during, and after the active duty cycle of a Sailor, Marine, Airman, and Soldier are treated as an important part of the overall health of the service, rather than as the punch line of a joke. Second, those who will be providing care must be thoroughly vetted to ensure that those individuals understand the differences between dealing with a civilian and a military mindset. Third, there need to be peer support groups where a service member can go, and open to people with similar experiences without the fear of being judged for what they say.
I do like to refer to these types of conditions as mental health issues, or even conditions. I think that it goes far deeper than that. I think that what it really amounts to is an injury to the soul. If a soldier is wounded in combat, the wound is going to be treated, medication may be administered to manage other symptoms that come along with the injury, such as pain, inflamation, and infection. The key is that the life threatening injury is addressed first, medication administered second. I think that a similar approach should be taken when dealing with injuries to the soul. First off, 22 veteran suicides a day says that these are life threatening injuries. So they should be treated the same way. Deal with the injury first, add medication after if necessary. I think it is just easier to say, "oh you feel sad, here take a pill." It does not address the root condition, it simply addresses a symptom of the problem. If you watch TV, you may have seen commercials for psychotropic medications. One of the main side effects is that they can increase suicidal ideation. So the medicine that is supposed to help with your mood actually can cause the person to want to kill themselves. How is this in any way helpful?
So now we get to the hardest part of all. How? How do you treat an injury that cannot be seen? How to you heal an injury that cannot be repaired with stitches or surgery? How do you help a person that may not feel that they have anyone they can confide in? This is where a change in our culture needs to occur. Instead of attaching the stigma of crazy, loopy, psycho, mental, head case, or whatever negative connotation is normally associated with a soul injury, try addressing it as a serious medical problem. Instead of looking down on someone who comes forward and says "hey I need help." we need to applaud them for having the courage to admit that they cannot do it alone. We as a society need to be working toward that ZERO!

sorry for the long post, but this is an important subject.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Aug 17 at 2015 2:32 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:32:08 -0400

1. I scan for PTSD soldiers and Veterans to see if they want my help.
2. When it comes to medication, one should state which meds are making life worse.
3. Some of the therapy can't show Veterans how to get out of the dark place. Future recovery is predicated on a Veteran to get out of the dark deep place.
4. Don't give a rats ass what others think.
5. Did you get an unemployability rating?

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Aug 17 at 2015 6:31 PM

SSgt Alex Robinson — Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:31:41 -0400

This should never happen. I pray for my fellow vets. If you see one of our brothers or sisters in need do everything in your power to get them help.

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Aug 17 at 2015 7:21 PM

LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow — Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:21:55 -0400

Until they all come home...

Response by SN Alex Tufail made Sep 23 at 2015 9:15 PM

SN Alex Tufail — Wed, 23 Sep 2015 21:15:13 -0400

I have had 3 suicide attempts in my life. I was almost a statistic.
If I may give an opinion from a person who has been and still struggles with depression on a daily basis. Here's what I think:
Losing Purpose, losing yourself to your thoughts of what could have been, or what was. The feeling of waking up alone, and no one will ever be able to understand where we have been and to understand where we are coming from. When we come home and are finally "free" at first it's nice because we no longer have the stress and responsibilities to deal with. However, those stresses and responsibilities were keeping us together because they gave us something to work for and towards.

This is exactly what Expedition You Are Not Alone wants to focus on. We want to be the inspiration that even after service you can still build true, lasting, and meaningful relationships even with non service members. That you can find purpose and drive with another aspect of human behavior. Mine was adventure Education and Wilderness Leadership. Each Veteran who feels lost and useless is not, they just can't let go of what the Service did for them in terms of Structure, Discipline, and Job Satisfaction.

One of the Vets in the video said "Why couldn't I be that Vet that came home and unaffected." The truth is that everyone is affected, just in different ways. That affect could be no affect in the present moment, but decades down the road those thoughts and memories of was great, terrible, hard, intense, fun, scary will come back to mind.

Not being able to get away from the thoughts of loss, pain, suffering and stress are also factors that affect Veterans and their well being. Many of the individuals I met while in a Psychiatric Ward of the VA told me that they want to kill themselves to kill their thoughts. A lot them can't find any other source of escape from their memories and the only option is Death. The physical death is just a by product of the mental release that they are searching for. If we look at the number of Veterans who want to find peace, but can't you would find the same number in a obituary as a result of Suicide.

One of the biggest statements I hear out of people is "Talk to someone" Who the hell am I going to talk to? Someone who is trying to make me see the positive. I don't want to see the positive, I want to see the truth. Being positive and being realistic are two different things. While having a positive outlook can give perspective, it also gives a sense of ignorance. Not everyone is OK, not every Vet is Fine and just "going through" something. This is real pain, that if not dealt with will have very real and depressing consequences.

Talking doesn't help, taking action helps. Knowing that there is someone just like you who hurts just as much, and they won't leave your side helps. Finding purpose outside of the Military, and finding your Civilian equivalent in yourself helps. The hardest part is unlocking that behavior. How do you tell someone that they are destined for greatness when they believe they are worthless and purposeless? The answer is that you DON'T TELL THEM!!! YOU SHOW THEM!!!

The one thing I learned in the Navy was to never quit, and yet that's what we who hurt feel like doing every day, and the feeling of knowing you quit when you're not suppose to quit drives one further into insanity and the downward spiral continues to get worse and worse until there's a breaking point. The real solution is what will that breaking point be? Death/ Suicide, or an in depth, inward reflection of who one is as a person, and adjusting accordingly? Do we quit because we're tired or do we just give our bodies and mind a break by focusing on the present moment rather than a reoccurring thought that never seems to go away?

Everyone I have ever talked to about my suicide always say's "stay positive" WTF!!! are you kidding me? I can barely get out of bed on a good day and force myself to function because all I want to do is curl up into a ball and no longer exist.

The change will come when we can make the effort to let go of what was, and focus on what is. that is also a tough challenge because what is is this: A veteran who spends the day in classroom with kids who can't wipe their own ass and ask mommy and daddy for help in every step of their lives, a job that takes zero thought to complete and then you start to think to yourself: what the hell am I doing here? I went through 8 weeks of basic, and years of deployments and professional development in the military to work with these idiots? no that is not a very good present moment to come to realization to.

How do we make a change? how do we stop the self destructive behavior and turn it into something productive for everyone involved. Especially the guy who's about to jump off a bridge, or the mother of 2 who never has a gun in her hand and locked herself in the bathroom? How do you save people at the very last moment?

That's an easy one: Talk to someone who has been in your shoes. Someone who has deployed, someone who has lost comrades in combat or on deployment. Talk to someone who cares to listen because they want you to hear their story too. We need to be here for each other. Not just online and over email, but in person. Once you get someone out of the moment of desperation and little more stable, then focus on developing a perspective where are useful to their families and friends. Help them find jobs that fit their personality and provide training for those jobs. Provide resources that go beyond formal education, and into trade schools and other types of education systems where Veterans can become the person they have always wanted to be with or without the Military. Provide Free non VA psychiatric help. Non Pharmaceutical based. Not every Veteran is going to React well to medications, not every person is going to like talking to a psychologist.

We need to create an individualized holistic treatment platform that can give those who hurt a chance to know what life without pain, or limited pain is like.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Sep 23 at 2015 10:26 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Wed, 23 Sep 2015 22:26:04 -0400

It seems it is how veterans are instead of how suicide can be prevented.

Response by CPT Endre Barath made Oct 13 at 2015 1:56 PM

CPT Endre Barath — Tue, 13 Oct 2015 13:56:27 -0400

What a tragedy and the worst part is this is not in the main stream media's focus.... instead less important events like who is wearing what dress in the Hollywood Elite or who is dating whom...clearly misplaced priorities....we need to focus and put the spot light on this national tragedy!!!

Response by Cpl Ronald Wiemelt made Oct 14 at 2015 1:13 AM

Cpl Ronald Wiemelt — Wed, 14 Oct 2015 01:13:30 -0400

I too just about became a statistic because of VA care if it wasn't for my wife I wouldn't be here either

Response by SSG Michael Scott made Oct 25 at 2015 3:25 PM

SSG Michael Scott — Sun, 25 Oct 2015 15:25:30 -0400

Pray, check on a buddy, listen, call your congressman and tell him or her to stop funding middle east countried and fund mental health.

Response by SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL made Oct 25 at 2015 3:27 PM

SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL — Sun, 25 Oct 2015 15:27:42 -0400

SSG Mike Sommer I say more agencies e.g. DAV, American Legion, VFW and the Veteran Affairs must make a stand on suicide and advocate programs to help Veterans.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Oct 25 at 2015 3:31 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 25 Oct 2015 15:31:29 -0400

Let's look at the challenges. We don't know where they are at, nor can we identify those who are at certain risk of the time. We have control when they go through therapy, however, we don't know who is going to pull the trigger.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Oct 25 at 2015 5:27 PM

SSG Warren Swan — Sun, 25 Oct 2015 17:27:38 -0400

Mindset change from the top down. Make saving lives as much a focus as taking them. We spend HOURS, DAYS, MONTHS, YEARS making sure that our troops are ready and able to kill if needed. We do not spend anywhere near the same amount of time trying to help these troops to turn the switch off, and try to become who they were before. We want them on "kill" mode all the time, and that pressure isn't needed all the time, everyday. We don't really "support" these troops like we should, we tell them the "right answers"...go to mental health, we have your back, this won't hurt your career, but once you do, it does have an immediate effect on your mind, and on your career. We can help those still serving by giving them our full support as leaders. Reinforce that we're here in this together, and we'll go the extra mile to help. For those who are out, the same applies. It's up to each of us looking out for each other, listening intently, looking through the laughs for the "hidden" signs. And be there when they crash. We as leaders need to make sure that every troop knows they are not alone, and that no matter where they are, someone they can trust can get to them in a time of need. Too many feel alone or shut out and they shouldn't. Let these troops know that in their darkest moments, the time they feel most alone, call out for help and look above, the helps coming down to you.

Response by LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow made Oct 25 at 2015 6:13 PM

LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow — Sun, 25 Oct 2015 18:13:05 -0400

All agencies that help veterans in trouble have been talking about this for ages. Veterans need to feel safe asking for help; far too many don't...

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Oct 26 at 2015 6:39 AM

SPC Margaret Higgins — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 06:39:26 -0400

PO2 Corey Ferretti, I am so very sorry about what happened to you.
I used to feel so hopeless, isolated, unloved, etc., such that I was constantly committing suicidal gestures.
On one final day, I tried to take my own life. The paramedics did come, however, they did not know that my wound was self-inflicted; until the end of our conversation. (I was ever so glad; as I did Not want to be locked up.) I have never been so scared in my entire life; as when I saw my blood spurting out of my wound. I panicked while I was on the phone with the 911 operator. I have never tried to commit suicide again; after that SCARE.
I have since formed my group: http://www.facebook.com/groupforsuicidalactivedutyandforsuicidalveterans

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Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2015 8:34 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 08:34:52 -0400

SPC Margaret Higgins How many veterans commit suicide every day is what that number means to me. :-(

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2015 9:16 AM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 09:16:36 -0400

I once called our hotline to request an appointment. I was given the run around and they were talking next month. I replied today, because I don't think I will be here tomorrow unless I get help. I got an appointment. I had to drive 20 miles to see the counselor. I had made up my mind that if I encountered a semi on the way I was going to cross the centerline into its path.

Thankfully I did not encounter one.

Folks, if you need help reach out NOW.

Response by MAJ Jim Woods made Oct 26 at 2015 12:44 PM

MAJ Jim Woods — Mon, 26 Oct 2015 12:44:50 -0400

22 too many!

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2015 4:48 AM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Oct 2015 04:48:43 -0400

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/expose-the-fbi-do-not?source=c.em&r_by=10913546

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Oct 27 at 2015 7:36 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Tue, 27 Oct 2015 19:36:11 -0400

It means a lot of them have hearts with holes in them we did not fill.

Response by Sgt Bonnie Shaw made Oct 29 at 2015 3:58 PM

Sgt Bonnie Shaw — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:58:07 -0400

The info behind those numbers are flawed. It could be more or less than 22. First, the information was taken from death certificates in only 21 states. Second, the death certificates do not normally denote whether the deceased is a veteran. Third, of those Suicides, how could they extrapolate that their suicide is related to their military service. Fourth, they even admit that their information is not complete and/or accurate.

Caveat: I am not saying the number is wrong, but we do not have all the information, so before you shoot the messenger, consider what I have said before you start firing rounds in my direction.

Response by Sgt Bonnie Shaw made Oct 29 at 2015 4:00 PM

Sgt Bonnie Shaw — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 16:00:42 -0400

I am glad you are still with us and that you have found the help you so greatly deserved.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Oct 29 at 2015 5:52 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Thu, 29 Oct 2015 17:52:48 -0400

I am always looking for people who have broken hearts and minds stuck in the darkness of hell. If they are willing try, I have a gift to give them and that is hope. Hope is a requisite to healing.

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Jul 2 at 2017 12:23 PM

SPC Margaret Higgins — Sun, 02 Jul 2017 12:23:44 -0400

PO2 Corey Ferretti: Twenty Two Veterans per day: is ONE Veteran too MANY!
There are feelings of: isolation, hopelessness, desperation, lack of Love, etc., that are concomitant with suicidal ideations.
The link to my: 'Group for Suicidal Active Duty and for Suicidal Veterans' is the following:
http//:http://www.facebook.com/groupforsuicidalactivedutyandforsuicidalveterans
If you are: (1) SUICIDAL (2) In an emotional crisis (3) or, if you just want to talk-
PLEASE CALL THE NATIONAL SUICIDE PREVENTION LIFELINE AT: [login to see] . BE SURE TO PRESS 1 FOR ACTIVE DUTY/VETERANS.
The counselor at the other end of the line: will keep everything you say to him/her- absolutely CONFIDENTIAL.
Also, the LAST RESORT for your counselor, would be to call the Police.
PLEASE HANG IN THERE FOR ME. PLEASE KEEP YOURSELF DECIDEDLY SAFE AND SECURE FOR ME.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SELFLESS SERVICE AND FOR YOUR BRAVE, BRAVE SACRIFICE.
MUCH, MUCH OBLIGED.
-With All of My HONOR, RESPECT, SUPPORT, COMPASSION AND LOVE,
Margaret C. Higgins U.S. Army Retired: Coach

See posts, photos and more on Facebook.

Response by LCpl Donald Faucett made Oct 8 at 2017 8:20 PM

LCpl Donald Faucett — Sun, 08 Oct 2017 20:20:41 -0400

It's cause nobody listens, or has all the answer, no compassion, mocked or made fun of, Subject to abuse, name calling, bullied, or otherwise taken advantage of. It gets worse every day. It's not a game. Actually, very dangerous to be messed with, because kill, still rings in my head

Response by SSgt Harvey "Skip" Porter made Nov 18 at 2017 1:23 AM

SSgt Harvey "Skip" Porter — Sat, 18 Nov 2017 01:23:25 -0500

Its absolutely stunning for that number to be so high for Veterans. It's absolutely absurd that our government hasn't really put forth a better effort to come up with a solution to really address this. These are human beings ending their lives that have served this country. This should be alarming to the people in DC. However unfortunately they so busy fighting and throwing mud at each other they can't focus on the real issues facing Vets. We are sick and tired of lip service from these sorry A** politicians. One off this countries first order off business should be to take care of the men and women currently serving in the military and those that have served. It shouldn't be a partisan issue it's an American issue. Let's not waste so much money on their pork belly unnecessary projects in their home districts and use some of them funds to see that the military and it's Veterans are better taken care of. I call on Congress and the Senate to get up off your A** and stop arguing over this nonsense that's making headlines daily. Do the jobs you were elected to do. These Vets are calling out for help and unfortunately they feel no one is listening and cares so unfortunately they take their lives. If these were politicians taking their lives I assure it there would be a major response to that.

Peace!

Response by SSgt Harvey "Skip" Porter made Nov 18 at 2017 2:53 PM

SSgt Harvey "Skip" Porter — Sat, 18 Nov 2017 14:53:03 -0500

I would rather be a healthy peasant than a rich king

Our Health is the greatest of all our possessions. That's why it's imperative that the VA assures that Veterans care is improved and get rid of the Manager's that are falsifying records on appointments and their facilities are providing sub par care so they can receive bonuses how selfish is that. These unscrupulous Manager's put their bonuses above the life's of Veterans. That's very cold blooded. We know that in battle serving some of us will never return home alive. However that shouldn't be case losing lives of Veterans because they couldn't get an appointment. We must contact our elected politicians and let them hear it from us that we will not stand for Veterans to continually be mistreated and receive sub par care.

Just because I receive good care from the VA facility in Martinez California. It doesn't make me feel any better knowing that somewhere out there a Veteran died because he or she couldn't get an appointment or they committed suicide because they were so frustrated with the system.

Keep in mind how long did our government deny agent orange? I wasn't there but I talked to so many guys that explained how the herbicide was all over the foliage and everything around them. Now let's fast forward almost 700,000 of us were sent to the Persian Gulf in 1991. Many returned with illnesses that couldn't be determined what they were. Headaches, nausea and rashes etc. Later to know as the Gulf War Illness. Most of the Veterans are having a heck of a time with the VA Benefits system again because the government is in denial.

This is not right it's unacceptable and should not be happening at all! Although the system has improved there is still a lot of work to be done. Again I say we as brothers and sisters we must hold these so called Veteran friendly Politicians accountable to deliver not on promises but on what's right. Let's not let them continue to play Russian roulette with our health care. Because our health is the main source off our wealth!

Peace!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2018 5:31 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:31:55 -0500

Yes , I have. I started a non-profit 10 years after my 19 year old gunner died in a Rollover accident in Parwan Province in 2004 http://www.Neverforgottenmemorials.org and I work with multiple Veterans Organizations throughout CFL. Now, I am launching a Internet Radio Show called "Remember The Fallen With SGT Dave. http://www.KLRNradio.com "Liberty and Reason Still Reign . Yes I found my new "life mission after service!

www.Neverforgottenmemorials.org

Response by SPC Charles McFate made Nov 24 at 2020 1:54 AM

SPC Charles McFate — Tue, 24 Nov 2020 01:54:18 -0500

I have been purchasing from Til Valhalla Project for a couple years now.
Owned and started by a vet, employs vets and gives free memorial plaques to families.