Posted on Feb 23, 2014
Public embarrassment for corrective training. When is it too much?
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I saw this photo on the Duffle Blog recently, posted via facebook. There was quite the debate in the comments with some arguing that it is simply corrective training and is perfectly okay, while others stated that it is hazing and completely inappropriate. Some argue that it is demeaning to the Soldier, while others argue that is the POG mentality of a softer Army. <div><br><div>Personally, I think that no matter whether people think it is hazing or corrective training, it is not professional. Having served as an 11B for 8 years and as a 35P for the last 6, I would stand by the argument that professionalism is the same regardless of MOS. As NCOs, we live by a creed that starts out saying "No one is more professional than I. I am a noncommissioned officer..." I would love for an NCO who is okay with this to please explain how this is a fine example of professionalism that meets our NCO Creed and Army Values. If this is the best solution an NCO can come up with, then that is a perfect example of bad leadership and that NCO should not be allowed in our Army.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Thats just my $.02, but what do you think?</div>
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I think some things need an extra little bit of flair depending on the situation, but this is way overboard. This is humiliating the Soldier, not correcting him, not training him, not making him better. And it looks like a reception center somewhere as if they are inprocessing Soldiers. Is this really what you want a "new boot" to think of the Military he JUST volunteered for?
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Right out the regulation TRADOC Reg 350-6 "Corrective training and corrective action are tools available to leaders to rectify minor deficiencies, simple infractions, and less serious breaches of discipline, to focus the attention of Soldiers, and to inspire compliance with Army standards. At no time is corrective action meant to demean, belittle, or embarrass a Soldier. The effective leader knows when to use permissible corrective training and NOT excessive or unauthorized physical activity to coach, teach, train, and mentor Soldiers who are not meeting the standard". <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Hazing is in opposition to our Army values and is prohibited and why would it be tolerated. How does this corrective training provide purpose, direction and motivation? How does this fall in line with out core leader competencies? it doesn't. </span><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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MSG(P) (Join to see)
SSG Garza, I just posted a response, and brought up similar points. Thanks for posting that from 350-6. I think that people often lose sight that corrective training is ok... it is allowed.... it does serve a purpose. However, over the top, "...corrective action meant to demean, belittle, or embarrass a Soldier" is totally unacceptable. You're right, it doesn't belong in the Army. I just worry that too many are afraid to offer ANY type of corrective training for minor mistakes, instead documenting problems straightaway, or ignoring the issue all together. Documenting minor infractions rarely carries significant weight with the Soldier being counseled, and ignoring the problem altogether just creates larger issues farther down the line.
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Well here is what you can do as far as corrective training goes. in Basic Training not sure if it applies to regular units .You cannot make an individual perform any time of exercise that is not in the PRT manual and even then there are some you cannot use. they can do five reps of a certain exercise or 30 second in a certain position.if that is not followed then someone is liable to get in trouble.<br><br>
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<p>SSG Ventura, I have heard that before. The limitations are obviously put into place to ensure that Drill Sergeants are not killing Soldiers or causing injuries. However, the whole 5 rep, 30 second rule is a bit over the top in terms of limitations. I mean come on... really?? How on earth did Soldiers ever make it through Basic Training prior to this sort of lunacy in limitations?? They must have been tougher or something. All this time I've been wondering how it is that Soldiers fresh from Basic could possibly fail the PT test... now I know. Soon, even organizational PT will be abolished, as we just can't force Soldiers to do PT as a team... that would be demeaning.</p>
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Not sure what is going on here either but he doesn't look to bothered by the situation as he is still texting on his phone.
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SPC David Wyckoff
<p>My first impression as well, Sir. <br>I had to look twice to see it was a cell phone in his hand. I got two phone calls in basic. One to call home for 18 seconds and tell them I arrive in good order and one from the red cross when my daughter was born. </p><p>I thought the point of BCT was to isolate the soldier from outside influence in order to have them focus on training.<br><br></p>
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SFC Lupece Howard Talley
you are so right! this is not corrective training are punishment. HE IS STILL TEXTING ON HIS CELL PHONE. What is the Army coming too. The sad part is people do not realize how much face book can hurt them. Where is the leadership?
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