670-1 change; DUI or RDI

SFC Stephen P. — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 16:56:30 -0400

The proposed Army uniform policy changes seem to indicate that the individual will now have the choice to wear the RDI, or through affiliation the DUI. I would personally prefer to wear my former infantry regiment's crest, but current policy prohibits me as an AG soldier. Is anyone else reading this the way I am? 

Edit to add:

From the 2005 edition of 670-1:
"“Authorization. Regimental distinctive insignia (RDI) of a design approved by the Institute of Heraldry, U.S. Army, are authorized and prescribed for wear by all soldiers affiliated with a regiment or whole-corps regiment, as described in AR 600–82 and NGR 600–82.”

2014 edition:
"Authorization. Insignia used to represent regimental affiliation consists of either the RDI or DUI of a design approved by TIOH. A Soldier’s Regimental affiliation using an RDI is based on a Soldier’s branch/corps/special
branch, as determined by PMOS or specialty. Soldiers may wear the RDI for their affiliated regiment or they may be approved to wear the DUI for a unit in which they are serving or previously served successfully. See DA Pam 670-1 for approval process to wear the DUI to demonstrate regimental affiliation.”

Edited again to add:

AR 670-1 dated 31 March 2014 superseded AR 600-82

Update for 1 July 2015 publication of DA PAM 670-1:
New guidance clarifies eligible former units and seems to remove the approval process.
"a. Authorization.
AR 670–1 authorizes insignia used to represent regimental affiliation to consist of either the RDI
or DUI. A Soldier’s Regimental affiliation using an RDI is based on a Soldier’s branch/corps/special branch as determined by PMOS or specialty. A Soldier’s Regimental affiliation using a DUI is based on a unit in which the Soldier is serving or previously successfully served. Soldiers may wear the RDI for their affiliated regiment or may wear the DUI for a unit in which they are serving or have previously successfully served based off their assignment history as indicated in their personnel record.
b. How worn.
The RDI or DUI, when worn as insignia to represent regimental affiliation, are worn as outlined in
paragraph 21–23."

Response by LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2014 5:04 PM

LT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 17:04:06 -0400

That's how it sounds to me.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2014 10:48 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 22:48:58 -0400

This is how it was explained to me earlier today!

Would you wear it for your DA photo for consideration in your current MOS?

If not then I would say don't wear it at all.

Response by SSG Anthony Schoepp made Apr 2 at 2014 11:58 AM

SSG Anthony Schoepp — Wed, 02 Apr 2014 11:58:46 -0400

I do not feel this will be much of a change as most branches outside of combat arms are required to wear an affiliation device to their branch, not regiment. Personally I am a medic and cannot be affiliated to the 12th Infantry Regiment even though I have spent six years and three combat tours with them. I have to wear the AMEDD crest. If someone is worried about what RDI they are wearing that means that they do not have much of a personal career and are trying to leverage a unit to their advantage.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Apr 30 at 2014 10:19 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:19:18 -0400

AR 670-1 does not cover Regimental affiliation, only the wear of the DUI or RDI you are authorized. AR 600-82 (The U.S. Army
Regimental System) covers the "hows" of affiliation.

Nothing in AR 670-1 negates the requirements of AR 600-82.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2014 3:30 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 May 2014 15:30:34 -0400

I have not looked at the change to see exactly what you are talking about but I will say this. In the past it has been that

1. You can wear the crest of the regiment you are affiliated with by nature of your MOS. Example for me is Ordnance Corps.

2. You can wear the crest of the unit that you are assigned to at the time. For example (other than DA photo) if you are assigned to the 26th Infantry Regiment you can wear the 26th crest. Once you leave that unit, you are no longer authorized to wear it.

3. An Infantryman can apply for regimental affiliation with an Infantry regiment of their choice. As a CSS Soldier (like myself) you are not authorized regimental affiliation with an Infantry (for this scenario) regiment that you are not currently assigned to.

Make sense SFC Pate?

Response by SSG Kevin McCulley made May 5 at 2014 10:17 AM

SSG Kevin McCulley — Mon, 05 May 2014 10:17:03 -0400

AR 600-82 has been completely rescinded. It is no longer on APD. My assessment is that you can wear the DUI of any unit you were previously in. I got wind of this change being in the works back in 2008 specifically so that non-combat arms MOSs who served in regiments can continue to wear that DUI. I've already submitted my 4187 to affiliate with an infantry regiment. I'll let you know how it goes.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made May 5 at 2014 10:26 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Mon, 05 May 2014 10:26:35 -0400

*Update* (SFC Pate, thanks for bringing the change to our attention)

Here's the DA PAM's piece on it. Emphasis on paragraph b.

21–24. Insignia representing regimental affiliation

a. Authorization. AR 670–1 authorizes insignia used to represent regimental affiliation to consist of either the RDI
or DUI. A Soldier’s Regimental affiliation using an RDI is based on a Soldier’s branch/corps/special branch as
determined by PMOS or specialty. A Soldier’s Regimental affiliation using a DUI is based on a unit in which the
Soldier is serving or previously successfully served. Soldiers may wear the RDI for their affiliated regiment or may be approved to wear the DUI for a unit in which they are serving or previously successfully served.

b. Approval Process. Soldiers who desire to wear a DUI (in lieu of an RDI) to represent their regimental affiliation
must make the request using a DA Form 4187 (Personnel Action). A Soldier’s unit personnel office must verify the
Soldier’s assignment history to verify eligibility before changing the Soldier’s records.

c. How worn. The RDI or DUI, when worn as insignia to represent regimental affiliation,

Response by SSG Kevin McCulley made May 5 at 2014 11:30 AM

SSG Kevin McCulley — Mon, 05 May 2014 11:30:42 -0400

For those with MilSuite access, here is the link to a discussion on S1NET:

https://www.milsuite.mil/book/message/509087#509087

The gist is that yes, affiliation is available to all soldiers regardless of MOS, however the software for EDAS hasn't been updated yet and is still preventing combat regiment affiliation for a non-combat arms Soldiers at this time. In other words, the 4187 can be approved but not processed to update the Soldier's ERB.

To do the 4187: In section III, check "Other" with the reason being Regimental Affiliation. In section IV, type: I request to be affiliated with the (INSERT REGIMENT NAME HERE)Regiment with a home base at (THE INSTALLATION WHERE YOU SERVED).

As long as you have the 4187 in hand, you should be good.... not that anyone goes around demanding proof of regimental affiliation.

SSG Mac

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 8 at 2014 12:10 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 May 2014 00:10:57 -0400

My question is...would it affect a centralized board if you are not wearing your RDI (IE the ones the board members are wearing)?

Response by COL Charles Williams made Feb 18 at 2015 11:27 AM

COL Charles Williams — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 11:27:39 -0500

The issue many of us have, especially non-infantry and armor types is that our Regiments are also our branches. So, MP, EN, CM etc. belong to those regiments. MPs for example never are assigned to a BCT. I like that Infantryman have a regimental affiliation, as do some others, but for many of us, we don't have that. For MPs, I like that we all wear the same Regimental Crest.

For you, the issue is similar to cord and the disks, in my view. You get to wear a blue cord and disks as an infantryman, but when you move on, you can no longer wear them. I also believe that when you move to a new MOS, you should wear their particular RDI.

I was an Armor Officer when I was commissioned, but I stopped wearing my stetson, my spurs, and my 37th Armor DUI when I branch transferred. Ever since, I wore the MP Crest, whether I was in 10th Mtn, 16th MP Bde, 1st Cav, 4th ID, 18th MP Bde, etc.

I think you should be part of the Regiment you are currently in.

Response by PFC Justin Edelmayer made Dec 16 at 2017 12:40 AM

PFC Justin Edelmayer — Sat, 16 Dec 2017 00:40:15 -0500

Curiou, does this mean that if I was still serving, and went to an infantry unit, I'd have the option to wear the crest of 4th Calvary ( my actual former unit)? Or the regimental crest of Quartermaster?

Response by SGT James Frazier made Feb 22 at 2019 11:31 AM

SGT James Frazier — Fri, 22 Feb 2019 11:31:08 -0500

Back when I was in (I ETSed in 1992) the question of the RUI and DUI was a simple matter. The first regimental unit you served with in your PMOS became your Reg. Unit affiliation if you were combat arms. If you were combat service or combat service support then you PMOS for the RUI was the crest of CMF regiment (i.e. AG, MI. ORD) and the DUI was from the BN. you were serving in at that time. So to clear things up for most the RUI you would wear above your pocket is dependant on your MOS (combat arms or not) the DUI, worn on the epulate was of your BN/BDG of the lowest battle flagged unit you are serving in now. Hope this helps unless 670-1 and DA Pham. haven't changed