7 “In-Uniform Rules” Service Members Wish Their Spouses Knew. Any to add?

CPT Aaron Kletzing — Fri, 16 Jan 2015 16:00:20 -0500

With how busy so many Service Members are due to their military duties, it’s sometimes tough to ensure that our spouses are fully up to speed on rules and regulations that may be relevant to them, or to the time we spend together on the installation. Below, we list 7 of the most common “in-uniform rules” spouses should know.

Which ones would you change, and why? What else would you add to this list?

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1. PDA is typically prohibited, except for certain special situations.
Military regulations take public displays of affection (PDA) more seriously than many spouses realize, due to high standards for professionalism. Special situations like a return from a deployment MIGHT be acceptable circumstances for a quick “welcome home” kiss, depending on your chain of command.

2. My right hand is empty for a reason!
While in uniform, Service Members are typically expected to keep their right hand empty while in conditions that would require a salute, which is done with the right hand only. This may seem obvious to SMs, but many spouses do not know this!

3. I can’t talk on my cell phone while walking.
Talking on your cell phone while walking in uniform on base is one of the easiest ways to get jacked up as of late. It’s like putting a target on your chest. We’ve heard countless stories of Service Members witnessing a Senior NCO sprinting across the street to make this correction! Epic.

4. Why I say “no” when you offer me a piece of gum.
Many military units prohibit chewing gum while in uniform, especially while stateside. We’ve heard reports that this may vary depending on the military branch or command policy of the SM, including the degree to which it’s enforced. But just in case, it’s important to know this!

5. I can’t use an umbrella when it’s raining. Seriously.
Uniformed SMs typically cannot utilize an umbrella when it’s raining outside. They have wet weather gear for that, even though that gear still allows them to get soaked most of the time. We’ve heard reports that some female SMs may be allowed to use an umbrella under certain circumstances, and we also can’t confirm how strictly a SM’s chain of command enforces this. But beware that SMs using umbrellas is as squared away as a football bat.

6. Wearing my uniform items could get me jacked up, or worse.
This is a sensitive topic for some SMs, but there have been countless situations where a spouse wears the SM’s uniform items in inappropriate ways and is perceived as casting the military profession in a negative light. Enforcement of this policy also depends on the SM’s chain of command or installation policy, but PLEASE be thoughtful and considerate if you ever decide to put on your SM’s uniform items while outside of the home environment.

7. I still need to salute and greet while we’re together.
This aspect of the military profession occasionally irritates spouses, but when a SM is uniformed and on the installation he is still required to greet and salute IAW regulations, even if the two of you are enjoying a nice private walk together. This issue occasionally catches “new” military spouses off guard – meaning those who are new to the military culture, perhaps due to recent marriage or their SM recently joining the military.

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Which of these would you change, and why? What else would you add to this list?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2015 4:09 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Jan 2015 16:09:38 -0500

The one my spouse never really gets is why I have to go to parade rest when addressing a senior NCO. She doesn't really get military customs and courtesies in general, but that is another topic

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 16 at 2015 6:15 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Jan 2015 18:15:04 -0500

If soldiers want to use their umbrellas, they can do so in ASUs (per 670-1). As for me, it's just water.

Response by SPC James Mcneil made Jan 17 at 2015 12:04 PM

SPC James Mcneil — Sat, 17 Jan 2015 12:04:14 -0500

Numbers 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7 seemed to always cause trouble for me. She'd ask constantly why I never carried anything in my right hand, even to carry items into the house from the store. I'd stop to take a call, and she'd keep going and get annoyed that I didn't do the same. Ditto for when I would refuse gum or an umbrella. Her mother said one time that I was "too stupid to use an umbrella in the rain." That went over well. And saluting never really goes away.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2015 12:13 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 17 Jan 2015 12:13:41 -0500

So gum chewing is verboten and yet Bubba gets to have a skoal dip in his mouth? Can someone cite regs on this? Muchas gracias from San Antonio.

Response by SPC John Decker made Jan 17 at 2015 12:51 PM

SPC John Decker — Sat, 17 Jan 2015 12:51:30 -0500

Not having been married while I was in, I have no perspective other than this. #5. When in a dress uniform a SM should not be gigged for carrying an umbrella

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2015 1:59 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 17 Jan 2015 13:59:54 -0500

Great list! So very true. Another one is if my bose summons me, I have to end our conversation.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2015 9:08 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 17 Jan 2015 21:08:54 -0500

I've been in the Army for a year now and I'm still learning all the regulations. Is this in all branches or just army?

Response by SSG Adam Reed made Jan 18 at 2015 12:56 PM

SSG Adam Reed — Sun, 18 Jan 2015 12:56:01 -0500

While assigned to the 14th Engineer Bn at Ft. Ord 88'-91' we were required to say "Rugged" every time we saluted an officer, whether or not if that officer was in the BN.

Response by CPL Joseph Entrikin made Jan 18 at 2015 2:17 PM

CPL Joseph Entrikin — Sun, 18 Jan 2015 14:17:14 -0500

I never heard the gum rule i mean in formation yeah but just around the motor pool or doin paper work never got called out on it. I have been hemmed up for having something in my right hand though even though saluting a Lt with a water jug looks hilarious when you just spent 2 weeks in the field.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 18 at 2015 3:36 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 18 Jan 2015 15:36:20 -0500

another i would add to the list would be:
My military duty comes before anything. Deviations or exceptions are only made on the principle of my chain of command.

Response by SGT Armando Nunez made Jan 18 at 2015 7:17 PM

SGT Armando Nunez — Sun, 18 Jan 2015 19:17:42 -0500

During my stint with the 9th Infantry regiment, we have to salute officers by saying: " (1st, 2nd or third) Manchu Sir!" The officers must answer:" Keep up the fire!"

Response by TSgt Joshua Copeland made Jan 18 at 2015 8:41 PM

TSgt Joshua Copeland — Sun, 18 Jan 2015 20:41:01 -0500

AF allows the use of umbrellas....let the ribbing begin!

Response by SGT Monika Sloan made Jan 18 at 2015 11:36 PM

SGT Monika Sloan — Sun, 18 Jan 2015 23:36:29 -0500

No sunglasses in formation is another fun rule. Or how about if someone forgets part of their uniform (like gloves on a cold day) everyone else has to take theirs off. Said person gets mean mugged by the rest of the formation. I have never heard of the gum rule. No one ever bothered me for chewing gum. People dip inside buildings all the time with their nasty spit bottles. I know technically they're not supposed to do that in a government building, but it's rarely enforced. Spouses pick up on our strange rules and customs over time. Some mesh better with the military than others. My husband is still on active duty, so we both get the silliness that can come with it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2015 9:48 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:48:00 -0500

I need to look it up now, I was only aware that gum was not allowed while in formation.

As for the rest, it definitely took my husband a while to get used to not holding hands while I am in uniform and not to walk and talk on the phone. He took it all in stride, though, and now points out soldiers that are wrong when we are out.

Response by Sgt Brandon Palmer made Jan 19 at 2015 3:01 PM

Sgt Brandon Palmer — Mon, 19 Jan 2015 15:01:43 -0500

My memory could be off but I think umbrellas can be use by females in service uniform. Marines that is. I could be wrong since its been a while. I don't see anything wrong with any of those. A spouse should expect a different culture when dealing with the military. It might be shocking at first but they should understand.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2015 5:38 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Jan 2015 05:38:04 -0500

#1 and 4 are actually more relaxed than the article portrays the rest are pretty serious

Response by CPL John Anaya made Jan 20 at 2015 11:58 AM

CPL John Anaya — Tue, 20 Jan 2015 11:58:52 -0500

Another funny rule is, you can't smoke a cigarette and walk at the same time just like using a cellphone.

Response by SPC Eric White made Jan 20 at 2015 12:20 PM

SPC Eric White — Tue, 20 Jan 2015 12:20:15 -0500

All I can say is some regulations that don't meet the common sense rule I.E no umbrella, what if he's holding it for his wife. Also the all to often untactful way in which they are enforced, especially in public or in front of their family. It may seem petty but these are things soldiers get fed up with and decide to ETS.

Response by SPC Barry Askins made Jan 20 at 2015 7:07 PM

SPC Barry Askins — Tue, 20 Jan 2015 19:07:13 -0500

Umbrellas make sense when in garrison

Response by CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2015 7:20 PM

CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Jan 2015 19:20:41 -0500

Since this thread has also gotten on the "regs that no one follows" topic, how about consumption of alcohol is not allowed while on duty? Combine that with just about every formal Army event (including the injunction from commanders "this is your place of duty"). A good deal of what happens in the Army is not according to regulation, unwritten rules, and unwritten exceptions to regulations. It can be irritating at times, actually. I'd prefer if we just made some rules that made sense then stuck with 'em, but when that happens pigs will be flying and it'll be snowing in Hell, too.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2015 8:51 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 20 Jan 2015 20:51:22 -0500

New AR 670-1 allows for the use of umbrellas of both male and females. Of course there are certain exceptions, but it is allowed.

Response by SPC Danny Eldridge made Jan 20 at 2015 11:01 PM

SPC Danny Eldridge — Tue, 20 Jan 2015 23:01:40 -0500

When you and your significant other are at the PX or Commissary, or wherever on base when Retreat calls, why we freeze in our tracks and turn toward the flag. (I assume that's still the case, as it was 20 years ago when I was at Ft Campbell.)

Response by PVT Dominique Stewart made Jan 20 at 2015 11:05 PM

PVT Dominique Stewart — Tue, 20 Jan 2015 23:05:38 -0500

I personally would change the talking on the phone while walking rule. I never understood that one to be honest. Everything else is on point though, Sir

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 12:04 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 00:04:27 -0500

Chewing gum shouldn't be a problem, it does not show any unprofessionalism.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 6:52 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 06:52:36 -0500

All of these are fairly simple to mitigate. Even in the days when I worked 16-17 hour days I did not mix the military with my personal life, I have always lived off post I never travel off post in uniform or display military paraphernalia. With the exception to the on base hospital my wife had no idea how to navigate Fort Carson and refused to come on post or near my job, simply put when I am in uniform my wife never sees me.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 8:21 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 08:21:18 -0500

I heard that #3 (cellphone while walking) was changed because the higher ups would be on teleconferences, and such and they still had to to get from one place to another so the got rid of that rule. You still had to salute those who required a salute, and maybe put the phone down by your side for a second. I know you couldn't text while walking, that was still a no-no.

Can anyone else confirm that?

Response by TSgt Phil Textor made Jan 21 at 2015 10:20 AM

TSgt Phil Textor — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 10:20:31 -0500

#6 depends on whether it has any rank or official patches on it. If there is nothing indicating it is a piece of a uniform, it is just a piece of clothing. Federal law prohibits the wearing of any article of uniform. So, a BDU blouse with no insignia is NOT a uniform item. Some items, such as rain gear or socks, or boots, are allowed to be worn as long as there is no rank insignia on it.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 12:39 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 12:39:00 -0500

Being Supply, walking and talking on a cell phone can be beneficial while working. In my 1st unit that was quite the annoyance and having to run to and fro doing God knows what (as long as you use it in your left hand so you can show courtesies to officers).

I dono....you just can't please everybody.

Response by SGT Johnny Owens made Jan 21 at 2015 1:32 PM

SGT Johnny Owens — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 13:32:53 -0500

Uncle Sam didn't issue you a spouse :)

Response by A1C Mike Simons made Jan 21 at 2015 2:10 PM

A1C Mike Simons — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 14:10:47 -0500

I got chewed out by the base commander @ Lackland AFB for failing to salute his car when it drove by. His car drove by me while I had my jacket in my left hand & a cigarette in my right. By the time I figured out to drop the cigarette & salute, he had stopped & jumped out to meet me. He asked why I didn't salute. I told him "No one told me what to do about saluting while smoking!" He just grumbled and got back in his car.

Response by SrA Christopher Demitras made Jan 21 at 2015 4:21 PM

SrA Christopher Demitras — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:21:15 -0500

None! All are in place for a reason!

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 4:21 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:21:29 -0500

Are some of these Army specific? Because the Air Force has no prohibition on chewing gum (unless you are in formation), and no blanket ban on umbrellas (must be black or dark blue).

Response by SrA Christopher Demitras made Jan 21 at 2015 4:23 PM

SrA Christopher Demitras — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:23:08 -0500

None! These rules mostly reflect RESPECT & Discipline.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Jan 21 at 2015 5:28 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:28:56 -0500

"I'm sorry Mr President, but have you read RallyPoint's top 7?"

Response by Sgt Dustin Hibner made Jan 21 at 2015 5:37 PM

Sgt Dustin Hibner — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:37:43 -0500

This is funny. I've been out 5 years now and my wife still doesn't know why I don't use an umbrella... We weren't married when I was in. I always told her I didn't need one (because that's what I was told). I never thought that it was actually regs. Hahaha! Guess they really brainwashed this jarhead with that one!

Response by Sgt William Gregory made Jan 21 at 2015 6:03 PM

Sgt William Gregory — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:03:46 -0500

It's been 35 years since I served in the Air Force but back then the reg stated that if your hands were full , the proper way to address an officer was "Good morning , afternoon or evening sir" without saluting.

Response by SP5 Michael Rathbun made Jan 21 at 2015 6:14 PM

SP5 Michael Rathbun — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:14:41 -0500

Wow. Back when I was in ROTC, they only mentioned that officers NEVER carry an umbrella.

Response by PO3 James Conner made Jan 21 at 2015 11:29 PM

PO3 James Conner — Wed, 21 Jan 2015 23:29:05 -0500

The only thing I will say is that one of the failings of the military is the need to aggressively correct minor rule errors. It sets us up for failure when we transition to the civilian world as civilain leadership gets sued if they treat their people like this. Discipline is important but how we dispense discipline is important as well.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 8:16 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 08:16:41 -0500

Number 4 is wrong. Only while in formation its unprofessional to do so. If that was the case no SM could dip while in uniform and there is nothing on the regulation that states that.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 10:07 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 10:07:38 -0500

Do not be offended when someond calls you Sir or Ma'am. It is sign of respect.

I earned my rank. I wear the rank. It is my rank not yours. You cannot give my Soldiers orders.

Response by SPC Paul Rogers made Jan 22 at 2015 12:46 PM

SPC Paul Rogers — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:46:54 -0500

When I am talking to you on the phone and tell you "I gotta go." it means I gotta go not that it is time for you to ask me 20 questions "real quick"

Response by MAJ George Hamilton made Jan 22 at 2015 1:32 PM

MAJ George Hamilton — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 13:32:52 -0500

Please get rid of the hands in pockets rule in the same memo that you eliminate the umbrella rule. Both are absolutely ridiculous.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 2:21 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 14:21:06 -0500

Number two and seven are important and could include the idea of 'escorting'. In uniform a service member is allowed to escort their significant other, and discouraged from 'hand-holding'.

Response by PO1 Gordon Eatley made Jan 22 at 2015 2:52 PM

PO1 Gordon Eatley — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 14:52:51 -0500

The Navy permits the use of an umbrella. It must be black and carried in the left hand.

Response by PO1 Donald Hammond made Jan 22 at 2015 5:02 PM

PO1 Donald Hammond — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:02:05 -0500

The gum rule is because most officers can't breathe and chew gum at the same time. So they are jealous of the enlisted man who can and must stop them at any cost.

Response by PO1 Donald Hammond made Jan 22 at 2015 5:05 PM

PO1 Donald Hammond — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:05:48 -0500

"3. I can’t talk on my cell phone while walking."

The title there explains everything. I've seen too many people (military status has no bearing on this) who will walk in front of cars, into light posts or people, etc while blindly chatting away on their phone or worse texting.

This rule should be for everybody.

Response by PO1 Geoffrey Olufemi made Jan 22 at 2015 6:19 PM

PO1 Geoffrey Olufemi — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 18:19:20 -0500

MAYBE, 'The Umbrella Rule'& but, THAT's IT.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 7:11 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 19:11:01 -0500

A big one I'd add is that I have a general schedule which usually stays about the same. However, at least in some oversea locations it can deviate by hours or days with little or no warning. "Honey I'm sorry I'm back from PT an hour late... we had a multiple mile ruck march and extra miles were added on to it for training purposes" etc.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 8:53 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:53:03 -0500

One of these has changed. Army SM's are now allowed to use an umbrella while in their ASU's or mess uniforms regardless of their gender. They still can't use it in utilities unless they are not issued wet weather gear. However, even when SM's aren't wearing wet weather gear they typically still don't use umbrellas while in utilities because it paints a huge target on your chest.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 10:01 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 22 Jan 2015 22:01:08 -0500

Only a few of these are in the regs the rest are just like a lot of stuff unwritten rules and in the regs it gives reasons when you don't have to salute and hands full is one of them.

Response by SSG Mike L made Jan 23 at 2015 7:11 AM

SSG Mike L — Fri, 23 Jan 2015 07:11:15 -0500

I had to educate my wife on military rules and regs ....she thought we were out of our minds ...I had to explain that that's what set us apart from civilians was customs and curtosies of the military ....I still catch myself saluting the flag even after 15 yrs of being out ....some things you just don't want to forget

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Jan 24 at 2015 8:19 PM

LTC Stephen C. — Sat, 24 Jan 2015 20:19:30 -0500

CPT Aaron Kletzing, Neither my spouse nor I objected to "the seven" while I was still serving. Frankly, I think using an umbrella with a dress uniform is a little lame. I'm old school though, and I guess it's just as well, for me and the Army, that I'm retired!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2015 6:32 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 18:32:11 -0500

#3 is a big one, I even try my best to continue this habit while in civilian clothes, just so that I don't get into the habit of doing that at all. I don't want walking and talking or walking and texting to be in my muscle memory group.

Response by TSgt Phil Textor made Mar 12 at 2015 2:28 PM

TSgt Phil Textor — Thu, 12 Mar 2015 14:28:38 -0400

Umbrellas ARE authorized in the Air Force uniform. From the AFI: Umbrellas must be plain, black or dark blue, and carried in the left hand. No walk and talk on cell phones. No color restrictions on cell phones, and NO AFI on chewing gum in uniform. Though I don't think you would get away with chewing your cud in uniform. I hated guys who pinched snuff, spitting in any bottle available. Now that was gross.

Response by Maj John Bell made Aug 22 at 2016 10:53 AM

Maj John Bell — Mon, 22 Aug 2016 10:53:48 -0400

No sun glasses or photo grades, except in the field or when driving. No utilities off base, unless martial law has been declared or traveling on military transport as a unit.

Response by CPO Randy Francis made Nov 18 at 2016 11:57 AM

CPO Randy Francis — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 11:57:15 -0500

I had been in for awhile when I met and married my wife. We went to a Memorial Day ceremony and she wanted me to wear my chokers - I wanted to go in civies. I kept asking her to stand on my left but she "wanted to see better". When the National Anthem started I about put her eye out when I snapped to attention and rendered a smart and crisp salute. As an aside to that she already had a huge black eye because our dog had head butted her the day before. So as we walked through the side boys I heard the voice of a female sailor say, "Yep, she's a Chief's wife" and we both burst out laughing.

Response by SPC Jeffrey Reese made Nov 18 at 2016 1:22 PM

SPC Jeffrey Reese — Fri, 18 Nov 2016 13:22:20 -0500

Ya white socks?! One of the soldiers in my squad who used blousing rubbers would wear white socks instead of the issue wool! His excuse was his wife wouldn't wash his wool socks because she didn't like the feel of them and didn't see why he needed them any way! After he was counseled on why he was required to wear them and not white cotton socks while in uniform he must have made it clearer to his wife why he needed his OD green socks. For 2 months after that he had a sock inspection daily at morning formation. Also my wife at the time couldn't understand why I spent so much time on my uniforms. Every Saturday morning shining Boots washing and pressing uniforms to include Caps. Studying regulations and brushing up on different things. I tried to explain to her at the time if I expected to promote I had to project a professional squared away soldier's attitude and knowledge she would just give me a blank look and go on. Even though it was medical issues that ended it for me in the end. After writing this Man do I feel old!!!!!!

Response by SPC Larry Weigel Jr. made Apr 10 at 2017 4:34 PM

SPC Larry Weigel Jr. — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:34:57 -0400

A lot of this drove my ex crazy, especially not using both hands!! One question though, am I the only one who expects to hear bugles @ 1700?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2017 5:50 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:50:23 -0400

My rank IS NOT your rank

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2017 6:37 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 18:37:42 -0400

This list also belongs on (where is half of this in the regulation) I know the not talking on cell phone one and hand saluting or proper greeting on post but some of these are unit level or post level SOP the pda one as well is however one of the few on this list that is in regs

Response by AB Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2017 10:44 PM

AB Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 22:44:02 -0400

The only thing I find interesting is the gum chewing because chewing tobacco goes right under the radar in most every aspect.

Response by SSG William Bowen made Apr 10 at 2017 11:23 PM

SSG William Bowen — Mon, 10 Apr 2017 23:23:07 -0400

PDAs. It's funny how I always heard you can't do these things in all my years in the military, but when we were having "sensitivity training" a few years back (as a DA civilian) prior to the official implantation of allowing openly gay people in the military, we were informed there actually is not a policy or regulation pertaining to PDAs. I couldn't help but think, "Wow, so for all these years we are told we can't kiss our wife or girlfriend while in uniform, but now that gays can be in and its okay all of a sudden?!". Anyway, I found the attached article and it points out here is no actual regulation. It's just tradition and pretty much left up to your local command, including disobeying a lawful order. I also googled it and it seems no one can actually find a solid regulation dealing with it. I am for common sense, meaning you shouldn't be making out with your significant other in the PX like you need a room. But I am also all about the rule of law and the written policy. I always find humor and good debate when something comes up about a law pertaining to certain things and people want to argue what is the law and they never bother to find the actual text from a state website citing the specifics. They will tell you, based on emotion, what they "believe", and what they read on Facebook, what the law is, and when you find it many times they are completely wrong.

http://www.drum.army.mil/mountaineer/Article.aspx?ID=6100

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Response by SPC John O'Hare made Apr 11 at 2017 1:30 AM

SPC John O'Hare — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 01:30:20 -0400

No umbrellas

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2017 9:18 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:18:25 -0400

Let's not forget the whole hands in pocket thing that, which should just be deleted. Not to many 1sg or csm left in the army that even care to enforce that one anymore. Don't beleave me get up here to JBLM, land of no haircuts, and baseball caps.

Response by SSG Lon Watson made Apr 11 at 2017 12:26 PM

SSG Lon Watson — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 12:26:24 -0400

Let it ride! We have them for a reason!

Response by SrA Michael Geer made Apr 11 at 2017 2:24 PM

SrA Michael Geer — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 14:24:48 -0400

What branch doesnt allow their people to use umbrellas i know the army and air force lets you

Response by SGT Tony Shope made Apr 11 at 2017 6:01 PM

SGT Tony Shope — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 18:01:17 -0400

As a military police on many of the busiest bases in the world. You never carried anything in your gun dominant hand. On many bases as an MP we did not salute per commander directive as we never knew what was next. Simple verbal acknowledgement to same. As far as Umbrellas in my more that a dozen years in Class A or B uniform and while (only escorting) on duty we could bring a victims family in under cover of said umbrella. Always we asked if he/she the victim would carry same.

Response by SFC Barry Stiverson made Apr 11 at 2017 9:24 PM

SFC Barry Stiverson — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 21:24:54 -0400

Standing at attention before any movie at the base movie theater necause of the playing of the national anthemn!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2017 10:02 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 22:02:07 -0400

How about how it's unprofessional to put both your hands in your pocket but it's ok putting your thumbs in the loops of your bottoms and basically looking like you're grabbing yourself.

Response by PO2 Michael Sayre made Apr 11 at 2017 10:28 PM

PO2 Michael Sayre — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 22:28:14 -0400

2005: Returned to Fort Hood from a year long deployment (Iraq) in the National Guard. As soon as we land we turn in our weapons and if you have family to pick you up, you get to go on a 4 day pass. Otherwise you have no access to your car (personal vehicle) and get to stay in the barracks, on base, while everyone else is is home with their family.

The uniform regs state that you can't have any identifying marks (name tapes and unit patches) on uniform items while wearing them with civilian attire.

I end up stuck at Fort Hood, without access to my car, and it froze over. So I sterilized my cold weather jacket so that I could walk around base, while everyone else is at home with their families.

4 days later, everybody comes back and are standing in formation. 1SG starts questioning me why it is that I'm out of uniform. I ask him what kind of leader leaves his men stranded on base without so much as a number for cab while everyone else gets to go home to see their families. I then ask if I were expected to remain in uniform the whole time. I did the right thing by adhering to regulation and sterilized my uniform. He didn't say anything to me after that.

Response by SPC Jason Rueb made Apr 11 at 2017 10:38 PM

SPC Jason Rueb — Tue, 11 Apr 2017 22:38:58 -0400

I wouldn't change a thing. The military is getting too soft as it is.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2017 12:00 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:00:05 -0400

It's not on here but, hands in the pockets. I kinda see where this is frowned upon but in reality why have pockets on anything! Especially a your APFU? I think they should change it to " only while standing still, may you put your hands in your pockets. All customs and courtesies will be applied and enforced" that makes sense to me.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2017 12:36 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:36:17 -0400

Sadly, number 3 no longer applies in the Navy, it is allowed now. I won't do it because it has been drilled into my head. Thankfully though, my wife's dad was in the Marines, so she already knows all of that stuff lol.

Response by CMSgt Donald Felch made Apr 12 at 2017 7:22 AM

CMSgt Donald Felch — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 07:22:31 -0400

30 years and never heard the gum rule. Maybe it's an Army thing?

Response by SFC Wayne Theilen made Apr 12 at 2017 9:30 AM

SFC Wayne Theilen — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 09:30:16 -0400

None! Love it or leave it. No question

Response by PO1 Barbara Matthews made Apr 12 at 2017 10:59 AM

PO1 Barbara Matthews — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 10:59:01 -0400

I was Navy and was allowed to use an umbrella. In fact they actually sold in the Uniform Shop on base. It had to be a plain black umbrella and carried in the left hand. I got out in 2006 maybe it's changed since then.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Apr 12 at 2017 11:49 AM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 11:49:47 -0400

I think number 5 is not universally true. Air Force members are allowed to use umbrellas in uniform. Their Army and Marine friends may laugh at them, but the Air Force folks will enjoy being dryer. Probably doesn't apply in a combat environment. The cell phone thing is new since I was on active duty, but it makes sense from a safety point of view.

Response by SPC Nelson Spivey made Apr 12 at 2017 12:24 PM

SPC Nelson Spivey — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 12:24:40 -0400

Rules and Regs are in place for a reason. It is our duty to not question them and to follow them. End of discussion, Move out!

Response by SFC Christopher Gould made Apr 12 at 2017 1:02 PM

SFC Christopher Gould — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 13:02:46 -0400

Umbrella; make it an issued item for use in tropic and temperate enviornment when overcoat not apprpriate. 100 degree weather plus 100 humidity monsoon season comes to mind. Rain damaged ASU and awards is an expensive replacement and we all know the clothing allowance does not cover.

Response by Amanda Peterson made Apr 12 at 2017 5:12 PM

Amanda Peterson — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 17:12:15 -0400

I would change the gum rule because I love gum and it keeps me concentrated

Response by LCpl John Patrick Adams Jr. made Apr 12 at 2017 5:20 PM

LCpl John Patrick Adams Jr. — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 17:20:42 -0400

The "Spouse" part seems to be the only common denominator as to why the Service Member gets in trouble in the first place! Lol

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2017 9:02 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 21:02:53 -0400

The cellphone regulation is out dated. You are allowed to walk and talk on your phone as long as it in in your left hand and you bring it down when you render a salute

Response by Katie Boysen made Apr 12 at 2017 10:07 PM

Katie Boysen — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 22:07:00 -0400

Time and space for our military is needed! Yes it can makes us feel like they hate us or want to leave but we have no idea what they went thru! It's always best to give our loves who have served the space and time to reflect and get back to "civilian life" the best way they can! Cause to our second halfs, they will never be a civilian ! Because no matter what war that they fought may be done but it still fighting inside them in their minds and in their bodies. We must respect them and honor them and give them what they need ! If they need space give it to them don't banter them and make them even more stressed! Just be ready for when they need you! Cause they will! Trust me I just learned this and a military wife told me this when I was going thru it and I thought she was crazy but I did it anyways! And he is home and back! Everything she said worked! And it's simple! Give them their space and their time! And when they are ready they will be there and don't please don't make them feel bad for trying to fix a situation or problem! Just be happy it's fixed and love them! Cause I sure know I do and I will forever and always!

Response by MSgt Greg Szczepaniak made Apr 12 at 2017 10:13 PM

MSgt Greg Szczepaniak — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 22:13:17 -0400

I wouldn't change one. Suck it up dependasaurus. You chose these rules when you chose that BAH.

Response by CH (LTC) Robert Leroe made Apr 13 at 2017 8:29 AM

CH (LTC) Robert Leroe — Thu, 13 Apr 2017 08:29:02 -0400

No weird eyeglasses also.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2017 12:11 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Apr 2017 12:11:06 -0400

"3. I can’t talk on my cell phone while walking.
Talking on your cell phone while walking in uniform on base is one of the easiest ways to get jacked up as of late. It’s like putting a target on your chest. We’ve heard countless stories of Service Members witnessing a Senior NCO sprinting across the street to make this correction! Epic." I've seen officers violate this one numerous times. IDK if they changed it or not, but I've seen it, but since I'm out, idc.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2017 12:13 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Apr 2017 12:13:17 -0400

Number was recently changed, also FEMALE soldiers (not sure about other branches) could use an umbrella in their service uniforms, it's just guys couldn't until last year or so.

Response by AN Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 13 at 2017 3:59 PM

AN Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Apr 2017 15:59:31 -0400

If you put your hands in your pockets the whole world ends.

Response by MAJ Jr C made Apr 13 at 2017 4:26 PM

MAJ Jr C — Thu, 13 Apr 2017 16:26:49 -0400

I was going to say "gum"...but too many people don't know "how to do it" or when to quit and NEED an ass beating over it. Such as trying to talk, and failing, because you have a bunch of crap in your mouth.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2017 12:05 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Apr 2017 00:05:03 -0400

None

Response by PV2 Sharon Goff made Apr 14 at 2017 1:31 AM

PV2 Sharon Goff — Fri, 14 Apr 2017 01:31:00 -0400

Once broke my right wrist. Still a very young soldier, came our of hospital with cast on, to above the elbow, saw 4 officers, tried to figure out how to salute. They waved off and verbally and gently advised all I had to do was acknowledge them as long as I was casted.

Response by SGT Jaime Alaniz made Apr 14 at 2017 6:22 AM

SGT Jaime Alaniz — Fri, 14 Apr 2017 06:22:01 -0400

Your spouse earned their rank not you...Dependapotamous.

Response by LTJG Edward Bangor Jr made Apr 14 at 2017 10:30 AM

LTJG Edward Bangor Jr — Fri, 14 Apr 2017 10:30:03 -0400

On the Navy side, everyone is allowed an umbrella if you're in a service or dress uniform. The only times you can't would be in working uniforms or official PT gear. Though a lot of people don't seem to know this.

Response by SP6 Robert Watt made Apr 14 at 2017 7:36 PM

SP6 Robert Watt — Fri, 14 Apr 2017 19:36:03 -0400

Wearing of the camo uniform off post should not be allowed. It looks very unprofessional and casts a bad image to the public.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2017 9:05 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Apr 2017 21:05:02 -0400

And you know there's always that one "UPPER" chain of command reminding you that your out of uniform!!! Lol

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2017 9:42 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Apr 2017 21:42:22 -0400

I thought they changed the umbrella rule for men... women are allowed to carry an umbrella

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2017 12:43 AM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 15 Apr 2017 00:43:44 -0400

Navy can walk and talk on the phone the reg is gone now !

Response by SN Brian Fathke made Apr 15 at 2017 1:55 AM

SN Brian Fathke — Sat, 15 Apr 2017 01:55:28 -0400

#5 is a buch of BS, umbrellas are allowed to be used. In fact we were issued them in bootcamp.

Response by SrA Angela Waterman made Apr 15 at 2017 8:53 AM

SrA Angela Waterman — Sat, 15 Apr 2017 08:53:18 -0400

Rule #8 - the service member is married to military first, the spouse is second. Accept it, get over it, and find a job or hobby.

Response by SSG Jackie Samuel made Apr 15 at 2017 9:34 AM

SSG Jackie Samuel — Sat, 15 Apr 2017 09:34:40 -0400

I wouldn't change any. I missed the disciple of the Army that raised me (1997-2010).

Response by Alexus Washington made Apr 15 at 2017 5:53 PM

Alexus Washington — Sat, 15 Apr 2017 17:53:33 -0400

The umbrella rule should be changed.. everything else is reasonable

Response by SGT Drew Clark made Apr 15 at 2017 9:36 PM

SGT Drew Clark — Sat, 15 Apr 2017 21:36:00 -0400

PDA gets you skull drugged.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Apr 15 at 2017 11:44 PM

PO3 John Jeter — Sat, 15 Apr 2017 23:44:35 -0400

Navy regs allow salute with left hand under certain conditions..........I'll let y'all search that one out......*grin*

Response by SGT John Turner II made Apr 15 at 2017 11:47 PM

SGT John Turner II — Sat, 15 Apr 2017 23:47:52 -0400

I would not change a thing. In fact as a civilian for 14years I still do most to all of these. "Ruck up, and umbrage the suck"...

Response by PFC Kristin Ross-Newman made Apr 16 at 2017 4:05 AM

PFC Kristin Ross-Newman — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 04:05:16 -0400

It is all about professionalism. I understand them. I think civilians that live on base and frequent the battery/battalion areas should themselves be required to be covered. imo....

Response by SFC Jim Dorsey made Apr 16 at 2017 6:47 AM

SFC Jim Dorsey — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 06:47:29 -0400

Probably the chewing gum issue.

Response by SFC Jim Dorsey made Apr 16 at 2017 6:48 AM

SFC Jim Dorsey — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 06:48:13 -0400

If dip isn't forbidden bring on bazooka joe

Response by SrA Greg Miller made Apr 16 at 2017 11:47 AM

SrA Greg Miller — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 11:47:53 -0400

I got stopped and chewed out once at Grand Forks AFB while wearing out of regulation sunglasses while driving my car in uniform. I went to my 1st Sgt and asked about since I'd been wearing the same sunglasses for years and he told me if I'm in my car it does not matter

Response by Victoria Ziglar made Apr 16 at 2017 12:40 PM

Victoria Ziglar — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 12:40:52 -0400

I hate that no pda is ok. I tryed to hold my soon to be husbands hand at the marine corps ball and he was worried he would get in trouble

Response by CPT Jesse Diaz made Apr 16 at 2017 4:44 PM

CPT Jesse Diaz — Sun, 16 Apr 2017 16:44:30 -0400

I wouldn't change any of these. What are we asking people to do? Take pride in ones uniform and ones profession? Yes, and it's the small things in structure and decipline back on post that help create consistency and decipline in the field later...

Response by Raeann Johnson made Apr 17 at 2017 12:51 AM

Raeann Johnson — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 00:51:12 -0400

Don't change any of them. I grew up in a military family and was in myself. All of these rules make our military the respectful hero's they are.

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Apr 17 at 2017 12:47 PM

LCpl Kenneth Heath — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 12:47:56 -0400

I'd say that the only one I'd modify is the umbrella rule... if you're in Alpha's, Bravo's, Charlie's, or Blues, you should be able to use umbrellas to maintain the appearance of your uniforms... cammies? probably not so much.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 17 at 2017 1:22 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 13:22:42 -0400

when i was in, you couldn't roll your sleeves without permission.

Response by SrA Enoch Freels made Apr 17 at 2017 4:12 PM

SrA Enoch Freels — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 16:12:37 -0400

They are just fine the way they are

Response by Alissa Armstrong made Apr 17 at 2017 9:33 PM

Alissa Armstrong — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 21:33:01 -0400

Personally don't like the fact about pda of my significant other just got back after a year long deployment you bet your ass I'm gonna give them more than just a quick kiss

Response by SSgt Rodney Calloway made Apr 17 at 2017 10:25 PM

SSgt Rodney Calloway — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 22:25:15 -0400

It always made me cringe when spouses would wear uniform items around base, including the rank. I never liked the "dependa purses" that had the SM's rank on them, either.

Response by CPL Michael Bowers made Apr 17 at 2017 11:16 PM

CPL Michael Bowers — Mon, 17 Apr 2017 23:16:45 -0400

None we bring the highest honor to our as we serve

Response by Alexandria Baker made Apr 18 at 2017 7:32 PM

Alexandria Baker — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 19:32:54 -0400

I wouldn't change them, I do like knowing the rules so that I don't accidentally get my husband in trouble

Response by COL Charles Williams made Apr 18 at 2017 11:59 PM

COL Charles Williams — Tue, 18 Apr 2017 23:59:10 -0400

CPT Aaron Kletzing Very nice, but might I ask, what prompted you to generate your list?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2017 12:56 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 19 Apr 2017 00:56:49 -0400

Air Force members are allowed an umbrella in uniform as long as it is black and carried in the left hand.

Response by SA Natoshia Rieder made Apr 19 at 2017 6:57 AM

SA Natoshia Rieder — Wed, 19 Apr 2017 06:57:04 -0400

Honestly if you are with your SM spouse you should not be offended by any of these rules. You should be compliant and understanding of these rules, helping you spouse get ahead not dragging them down.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2017 9:28 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 19 Apr 2017 09:28:25 -0400

There is another. You can't eat or smoke while walking. Add that please

Response by TSgt Cindy Leonard made Apr 19 at 2017 2:20 PM

TSgt Cindy Leonard — Wed, 19 Apr 2017 14:20:46 -0400

I'd add the smoking policies! You can't smoke where ever you feel like it & in most cases, you definitely can't walk & smoke in uniform

Response by TSgt Cindy Leonard made Apr 19 at 2017 2:57 PM

TSgt Cindy Leonard — Wed, 19 Apr 2017 14:57:32 -0400

Ok, if you're married to someone, you should be having a conversation with that person

Response by Cpl Terry Cooper made Apr 20 at 2017 12:17 PM

Cpl Terry Cooper — Thu, 20 Apr 2017 12:17:42 -0400

Obama military. Things was changed. Smh

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 9:36 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 20 Apr 2017 21:36:57 -0400

That's false.... You just can't have it in your right hand.

Response by SN Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2017 10:00 PM

SN Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 20 Apr 2017 22:00:44 -0400

... im glad im in the navy moist these stupid rules dont get pushed I the navy...heck, half our officers dont even line being saluted bc then they have to continuously salute back... and everyone talks I their cell in uniform... people even walk and text I uniform on base...

Response by Darcie Pfleger made Apr 21 at 2017 10:33 AM

Darcie Pfleger — Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:33:55 -0400

Umbrella because if it's pouring down rain and you have a pier to walk down or get sick easily/certain medical problems, then you should be allowed to have an umbrella.

Response by MSG David Johnson made Apr 21 at 2017 11:24 AM

MSG David Johnson — Fri, 21 Apr 2017 11:24:42 -0400

I've never heard of the gun chewing while in uniform, maybe that just shows my age. OSUT had smoke breaks and chewing tobacco. But that was one place no chewing gum. 1983-2008.

Response by Billie Henry made Apr 21 at 2017 2:00 PM

Billie Henry — Fri, 21 Apr 2017 14:00:52 -0400

We are here to support, not detract. Semper Familia!

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2017 2:06 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 02:06:43 -0400

USAF authorizes umbrellas in uniform: AFI 36-2903 6.3.6. Umbrella. Umbrellas will be plain, solid colored black and carried in the left hand.
Gum chewing is also allowed but not when in formation (i.e. I frequently chew gum after lunch while in my work area).

Response by Kathy Burroughs made Apr 22 at 2017 3:17 PM

Kathy Burroughs — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 15:17:34 -0400

PDA as it would help soldiers to concentrate better on their jobs. There should be nothing wrong with a soldier and his/her spouse/fiance holding hands or kissing. It is natural for couples who are serious about their relationship

Response by April Marie made Apr 22 at 2017 6:40 PM

April Marie — Sat, 22 Apr 2017 18:40:42 -0400

None, it's all character building. The military doesn't need a bunch of cry baby whiny asses running around.

Response by Carol Gates made Apr 25 at 2017 8:34 AM

Carol Gates — Tue, 25 Apr 2017 08:34:24 -0400

I would add that spouses should know that unless in town on official business, service members are not supposed to wear their uniforms, especially PT gear. This can affect timing of a 'honey do' list. ;)

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2017 7:43 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 Apr 2017 19:43:57 -0400

The umbrella issue. What really chaps my skin is members of the military holding an umbrella for the president or other government official and maybe even a spouse of one. Seems to me there are others who can perform that chore when necessary.

Response by Cpl Eric Wong made Apr 28 at 2017 3:43 PM

Cpl Eric Wong — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 15:43:34 -0400

No hands in pockets...if my hands are cold and my pockets are warm...js

Response by MGySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2017 4:04 PM

MGySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:04:52 -0400

In Page 3-33 of MCO P1020.34G W CH 1-5, Paragraph 3035, the Marine Corps uniform regulation permits females to carry specific types of umbrellas: "Female Marines may carry an all-black, plain standard or collapsible umbrella at their option during inclement weather with the service and dress uniforms. It will be carried in the left hand so that the hand salute can be properly rendered. Umbrellas may not be used/carried in formation nor will they be carried with the utility uniform."

Page 135 of: http://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Publications/MCO%20P1020.34G%20W%20CH%201-5.pdf

In the same document (Page 1-8, or 58) the phone is also mentioned: "In order to maintain good order and proper military courtesies, conversations on cellular phones (to include the use of the earpiece), while walking
in uniform, indoors or outdoors, are prohibited. The use of electronic equipment (i.e. portable audio devices) is not authorized while walking/running in uniform except as authorized per command/facility regulations."

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Response by Gina Rodriguez made Apr 29 at 2017 6:36 AM

Gina Rodriguez — Sat, 29 Apr 2017 06:36:10 -0400

Spouses should be able to love their spouses in uniform in an appropriate and respectful way. They are a part of us just as the military is. We love our spouses and Country. If they can serve the Country so everyone can enjoy their freedoms and rights, the troops and spouses should be able to enjoy that God given marital right also.

Response by Christopher Deddeh made Apr 29 at 2017 4:53 PM

Christopher Deddeh — Sat, 29 Apr 2017 16:53:11 -0400

Not so much a response as it is a question, but i was curious about the last one. Does this mean that the SM must greet their spouse with a salute? Or the SM must salute other military personal even while with their spouse? I was just confused but this is very informative. I learned a lot about the do's and don't's.

Response by Mikaela Clark made Apr 29 at 2017 6:25 PM

Mikaela Clark — Sat, 29 Apr 2017 18:25:45 -0400

Number 3, talking in a cell phone is not a rule anymore...according to my husband :)

Response by PO2 Adrian Williams made Apr 30 at 2017 3:58 PM

PO2 Adrian Williams — Sun, 30 Apr 2017 15:58:48 -0400

I wouldn't change anything.

Response by Marc Pomaville made May 1 at 2017 10:35 AM

Marc Pomaville — Mon, 01 May 2017 10:35:01 -0400

My brother almost smacked me when I took his hat off as a joke while we walked around his place at camp pendleton, or when I tried to get him to take a bite of a hot dog while we were walking

Response by Jamie Funk made May 1 at 2017 11:20 PM

Jamie Funk — Mon, 01 May 2017 23:20:46 -0400

I would want the meetings after basic training or deployment to be given some time not a quick kiss or hug. It's hard to let some one go when you haven't seen them in so long. That's just my thought

Response by PO2 Michael Runkle made May 4 at 2017 6:02 PM

PO2 Michael Runkle — Thu, 04 May 2017 18:02:23 -0400

Sorry, Captain, but in the Navy, we can salute with the left hand if the right hand is so encumbered as to render saluting with the right hand difficult or impossible.

Response by PO1 Michael Bruner made May 12 at 2017 7:25 AM

PO1 Michael Bruner — Fri, 12 May 2017 07:25:19 -0400

Something I witnessed stationed in Misawa, Japan: an Air Force Colonel getting dressed down in uniform by his wife in the parking lot at the exchange. And he just hung his head like a beaten dog.

Response by SGM Frank Marsh made May 13 at 2017 10:21 PM

SGM Frank Marsh — Sat, 13 May 2017 22:21:39 -0400

the umbrella reg is pure BS...the AF allows it I know...who wants to get soaked running into work for a 10 hour shift? common sense IMHO. and also a dated reg IMHO.

Response by MSgt Hal Weeden, MBA made May 25 at 2017 11:04 PM

MSgt Hal Weeden, MBA — Thu, 25 May 2017 23:04:27 -0400

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member, I was walking through a parking lot at the BAQ with the sun squarely in my eyes reflecting off the Colorado snow and was vaguely aware there was a person walking in the next aisle over, but I couldn't really see them. As it was an enlisted housing area, I never even thought about that person being an officer. Soon, I heard a female voice shout, "Airman!" I turned between the rows of cars and walked over to a butter bar and gave her a salute. She demanded to know if I knew I was supposed to salute an officer I told her yes, as I just did so. She was not happy. I suspect if she had been two aisles over she still would have expected a salute.

Response by LTC Ronald Stephens made Jun 5 at 2017 11:20 AM

LTC Ronald Stephens — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 11:20:10 -0400

I was fortunate to be married to a spouse who was also a soldier, an officer and an ADC for CINCPAC at the time we were married so its safe to say that those caveats in the regs were never in question. Since it was a joint service position she had to deal with the regulations of all four services. Needless to say her duties came first as did mine and we both understood. As for which I would change? The answer is none. They are simple and when appropriate can be relaxed by local command if and when its necessary e.g. saluting in a combat zone, especially now.

Response by MSgt Sandra McKinney Dent made Jun 5 at 2017 10:22 PM

MSgt Sandra McKinney Dent — Mon, 05 Jun 2017 22:22:24 -0400

Sorry, it is not so much your OAO, SO or other terms of endearment, that can cause havoc.
Nope, it's the offspring, the "brats" and "minor dependents," "carpet crawlers" and all the other terms of endearment for our children.

Response by MSG James Hughs made Jun 11 at 2017 3:31 PM

MSG James Hughs — Sun, 11 Jun 2017 15:31:33 -0400

Any activity that either prevents retards or denigrates the service.... should be avoided....even if that denigration is trivial or slight. While serving at Fort Bragg I would never ride my motorcycle while in uniform..... my choice..... I ALWAYS tried to be aware that while in uniform I represent NOT just me....but the entire Army.....
Umbrella.... go to the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in the rain or snow.... take your clue from those Honor Guard troops.... they do not carry an umbrella ....trust me...been there; seen that

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Jun 11 at 2017 11:03 PM

CPT Larry Hudson — Sun, 11 Jun 2017 23:03:50 -0400

No changes, however, an orientation of new wives to customs and traditions would eliminate much confusion and embarrassment

Response by Sgt Mike Jacobi made Jun 20 at 2017 6:41 PM

Sgt Mike Jacobi — Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:41:28 -0400

Would like to see sm go back to khaki or class B or class A uniform when stateside. The BDUs should be for combat theatres. We did Khaki with tie and spit shine shoes for summer stateside. I think it felt good when in public to look sharp. Of. Course we wore fatigues in combat zones or for fatigue details.

Response by PO2 Buddy Stewart made Jun 25 at 2017 3:18 AM

PO2 Buddy Stewart — Sun, 25 Jun 2017 03:18:05 -0400

1. PDA... I never had an issue with that. But me and my ex, yes ex, didn't play grab ass in front of the Commanders office. Hugging and kissing after someone comes home from deployment....I don't see any issue with that at all. As long as clothes are kept on, I don't see a problem there.
2. Right hand empty, I've never had a problem with that.
3. Cell phones...lol, I guess I'm killing myself on my age here but I don't recall having one in the Navy. 88-94.
4. Gum. Well I'm not a chewer, but I am a smoker. I sure wouldn't walk down the pier to my ship smoking a cig, I'd expect somebody to jump my ass for that. I guess the same can be said about gum.
5. Umbrella? Well when I was on duty in dress uniform there were a lot of situations where an umbrella was good to go. Working unis around the ship, not so much. At a schools command I was at, umbrellas weren't a problem.
6. Spouse wearing uniform items. Well if my ex was wearing my Navy sweatshirt it wasn't a big deal. Now if she took a pair of scissors to a pair of my dress blues and turned them into fishnets to wear to the pier, that might be an issue.
7. I never had any issues with that. If I was on base and in uniform I rendered all applicable military customs and my ex knew it. Maybe she was smarter than some.

Response by SPC Eagle Sofranko made Jul 1 at 2017 8:20 PM

SPC Eagle Sofranko — Sat, 01 Jul 2017 20:20:43 -0400

Oooo-rahhh

Response by LCpl Tim Seekins made Jul 13 at 2017 9:45 AM

LCpl Tim Seekins — Thu, 13 Jul 2017 09:45:08 -0400

Forgot #8: We can NOT walk across the grass, no matter how hot it is and how far out of the way the sidewalk goes...
Wanna stop a Marine assault? forget moats, minefields and fences. Just plant a nice lawn...

Response by CPL Lisa King made Jul 25 at 2017 10:02 PM

CPL Lisa King — Tue, 25 Jul 2017 22:02:11 -0400

#1. I would change that. PDA should be the best thing a soldier receives. Makes ya feel like someone cares for ya.

Response by TSgt Jevon Fulton made Jul 30 at 2017 10:56 AM

TSgt Jevon Fulton — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 10:56:16 -0400

I got one for the Air Force guys! While stateside or a non combat environment you MUST wear that dang on reflective belt in the hours of darkness! That reg. needs to go ASAP! It's varies from base to base but almost all of them have it as a rule.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Jul 30 at 2017 8:39 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 20:39:46 -0400

Good we didn't have the phone prob back in my days in the AF..

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Jul 30 at 2017 8:49 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Sun, 30 Jul 2017 20:49:25 -0400

It would seem that the shoal dip shiould be also, Sir . I was at a base and noticd a Airman had a knot I n in his cheek.. I commented I hope you have a medical waiver for that knot in your cheek Airman, because some officer may inquire to that effect.. he found a recoptical and disposed of it.., there may have been a Regulation/guideline.. I was just looking out for him was all..!

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Aug 2 at 2017 3:42 PM

1SG James Kelly — Wed, 02 Aug 2017 15:42:23 -0400

That's why I married a WAC; can't stand civilians.

Response by SA Michael Hanson made Aug 14 at 2017 8:26 AM

SA Michael Hanson — Mon, 14 Aug 2017 08:26:45 -0400

When I was in the Navy (way back in the 60s and 70s) saluting with the left hand was permissible if the right hand was occupied. I don't know if this has changed since then. Another difference was that USN personnel do not salute while uncovered, while other branches do, so each branch may have their different rules.

Response by SGT William Nixson made Aug 25 at 2017 6:30 PM

SGT William Nixson — Fri, 25 Aug 2017 18:30:43 -0400

I would add SM's required responses to Reveille and Retreat flag ceremonies.

Response by CSM Eric Olsen made Sep 24 at 2017 2:14 PM

CSM Eric Olsen — Sun, 24 Sep 2017 14:14:07 -0400

Reference your hear-say about senior NCOs running across the road to make a correction, why does it seem like we are the only one's who make the corrections? Regardless, good article!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 28 at 2017 2:24 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 14:24:19 -0400

Something I'd like to see is a more clarified regulation regarding pda between a service member and a non-service member spouse. We go into such detail with those that are with in the ranks but not really when it comes to outside of our ranks. I'd expect that kissing yes would be a no no but how about hand holding with the left hand. I think most of these things could really be elaborated on in regs. Honestly I think the best thing to do is if you are not sure ask your self if you want to risk it and just admit you were wrong or decided the risk is just not worth the hassle.

Response by SGT Kyle Bickley made Sep 28 at 2017 8:21 PM

SGT Kyle Bickley — Thu, 28 Sep 2017 20:21:20 -0400

To my wife at the time, Cannon went off at 5, forgot to tell her ya gotta stop the car and get out with your hand over your heart as they drop the colors. Got to meet the Colonel the next day, that conversation did not go well, really loud!

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Oct 3 at 2017 3:30 AM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Tue, 03 Oct 2017 03:30:05 -0400

All these 7 items are true of all military branches. PDA, umbrellas, wearing uniform items, chewing gum, ect. All members of the military have to tell their spouses about the Serious Seven. Do this when you are dating, ngaged and then married. Maybe this spousal brief could save your relationship/marriage from falling apart after the first few months. The hardest part comes later when you're rasing kids.

Response by SP5 Howard Moore made Oct 6 at 2017 7:51 PM

SP5 Howard Moore — Fri, 06 Oct 2017 19:51:26 -0400

Saluting, after being jacked up by 1LT for failing to notice him while jogging from headquarters where I was assigned, to the motor pool after that made a point to always salute him and told him I would always from then on whether down range or in a war zone you will get a salute to me respect needs to be earned not demanded i spent to many down range exercises following a leader that couldn't read a map or take a suggestion from a lower ranking individual

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 9 at 2017 3:15 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 09 Oct 2017 15:15:55 -0400

I'm pretty sure I can think of something to add, but I have an instinctive response to smother/gut/skin the good idea fairy before we're all stuck with more unnecessary rules dreamed up by NCO's that would sprint across a street to correct a Service Member. Some soldiers live for this sort of thing, I do not. I recognize there are some time honored traditions that we should hold in accordance, however, we should practice care and reason, lest we revert to the level of cold war garrison stupidity that existed in the Reagan/Bush years that drove away many a good Joe.

Response by SPC Joshua Brumley made Oct 31 at 2017 1:09 PM

SPC Joshua Brumley — Tue, 31 Oct 2017 13:09:46 -0400

The umbrella rule. Wet weather gear is a universal joke in the military; sure, it keeps the rain off you, but you end up getting drenched in sweat anyway. In garisson, at least, SMs should be allowed to use an umbrella when not actually working outside, (police call, common task training, etc...).

Response by Lt Col William Poole made Nov 8 at 2017 5:58 AM

Lt Col William Poole — Wed, 08 Nov 2017 05:58:23 -0500

I miss the military but not my ex-wife.

Response by TSgt Gwen Walcott made Nov 12 at 2017 1:49 PM

TSgt Gwen Walcott — Sun, 12 Nov 2017 13:49:00 -0500

#4 --->
Might be an exemption when the gum is used for the administration of gum --- such as aspergum, or nicotine gum, or lidocaine gum for dental or mandibular problems ...
"Medically prescribed...."
NOTE also for #2 --- the right hand is THE weapons hand --- originating with the sword
"#8. I will always walk on the right, to keep my right hand free, unless accompanied by a legal superior, who will position to MY right."

Response by CPO Harry Stearns made Nov 17 at 2017 8:30 AM

CPO Harry Stearns — Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:30:14 -0500

Policies and regulations vary between services and even between commands. What is acceptable varies as well, even if not covered by a formal rule. In 20 years of service I have seen a change of command turn everything on its head. "Improvise. Adapt. Overcome"

Response by SFC Patrick M. made Nov 29 at 2017 9:41 AM

SFC Patrick M. — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 09:41:05 -0500

I still think the no umbrella rule is silly. My favorite story of someone charging up to me to make a correction was when I was Stationed on Ft Dix and they still had cook school there. I was a medic assigned to the Emergency Room and Ambulance section. We had a post commander exception to the hat outside regulation if on an Ambulance emergency. I am walking from a trainee mess hall back to my ambulance to get equipment and the post commander drove by. I saluted as I should. I heard a screech of brakes and a car door opening. Out of the corner of my eye I see the Post CSM running across the street. Just as he gets to me and starts to yell I reach the ambulance. As I open the door I hear 3 more car doors open and a CSM start to stutter. Out come the Post Commander. his Aide and driver ended up helping carry the injured soldier to the ambulance while the post CSM spoke with his family. It was a visiting day right before a Basic Training graduation. so 2 stars, 1 1st Lt, a Sgt,me, and a Spc carrying a stretcher while my partner carried our bag. The General thought we should cut across the field and the ambulance litter wheels wouldn't roll through the mud. I so wish I could have gotten a picture. The General and his aide where in dress uniform. The driver and I were in BDUs and not a hat on any of us. LOL

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 29 at 2017 9:39 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 29 Nov 2017 21:39:41 -0500

Personally I would not change anything and if we are good service members and a good communicating spouse than there will be no confusion. It is not "their" responsibility to keep up with rules and regulations. They are civilians. I know that is obvious but they are not paid to keep up with rules and regulations. We can't expect a civilian spouse to understand if we are too lazy or condescending to educate them. I cringe when I see the way some service members talk to their spouses because they do not understand military protocol. When the spouse goes to basic training then they can be responsible for the knowledge.

Perhaps the problem is not the spouse's knowledge of protocol but the problem is really the lack of respect by the service member for the sacrifices that the spouses make to provide a home by giving up careers and dreams to follow the service member to each assignment and the service member's assumption that they will learn it by osmosis.

Response by Col Jincy Hayes made Nov 30 at 2017 7:54 AM

Col Jincy Hayes — Thu, 30 Nov 2017 07:54:01 -0500

Do not walk while eating or drinking. No sodas or ice cream cones!

Response by SGT Rosi Teresi made Dec 10 at 2017 8:11 PM

SGT Rosi Teresi — Sun, 10 Dec 2017 20:11:12 -0500

There is no reason for forcing a SM to get soaking wet just because they are in uniform. It further makes no sense that they should have to don wet weather gear to go from their car to a building only to have to take it off when they get inside.

Response by CMSgt Donald Felch made Dec 18 at 2017 5:24 AM

CMSgt Donald Felch — Mon, 18 Dec 2017 05:24:40 -0500

30-year retiree here and never heard or saw any restrictions on umbrella use—must be a service-centric (or even a specific command) thing.

Response by AN Michael Wilder made Dec 29 at 2017 3:43 PM

AN Michael Wilder — Fri, 29 Dec 2017 15:43:40 -0500

I would slightly modify the first one on PDAs, but only in the homecoming situation. That is certainly a time for PDAs and are much needed by the SM and their families, especially when the SM has been deployed to hostile environments and has seen some ugliness. The only other rule I would like to see addressed with an eye to at least modifying some, is the cell phone rule, particularly when the SM is in CONUS. I am a staunch believer in military bearing and professionalism, but I also believe that the military in general should change and adapt to technology and the times as long as it's in keeping with good order and discipline. Having said this, what I mean is that as long as the SM can use their phone discreetly and as long as they can still maintain awareness of the potential for needing to salute or greet a superior, then there should be no problem.

Response by SFC Ken Heise made Jan 1 at 2018 10:05 AM

SFC Ken Heise — Mon, 01 Jan 2018 10:05:09 -0500

AR 670-1 authorizes an umbrella and DA PAM 670-1 details the use of an umbrella by male service members.

Response by PO1 Dinah Goodman made Jan 6 at 2018 10:26 PM

PO1 Dinah Goodman — Sat, 06 Jan 2018 22:26:34 -0500

I agree with all of the seven points. One of my biggest pet peeves is when spouses where parts of the uniform. I think they need to add "excessive use of the F bomb". Makes us look like unintelligent baboons when every other word is the F bomb.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2018 10:54 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 Feb 2018 22:54:51 -0500

I think the PDA policy is a little overbearing. I get the whole he doesn't' need to be having a make out session every day in the food court, but ya know, my hands are messed up so sometimes it hurt when I'd try to hold onto his elbow as we walked into the PX, especially in the cold. I finally said screw them, and held his hand. Sometimes it was even his RIGHT hand... it would be a loose hold so if I didn't notice the officer he was saluting or hear his warning, it was nothing for him to slip his hand out of mine to salute. But not a lot of people even noticed he was holding my hand, and the few who did didn't care. If I was really tired (especially when I was pregnant), no one cared if he wrapped an arm around my shoulders and let me rest my head on his chest. If I got a little excited some days and started jumping all over him, I'd get a tap on the shoulder and be reminded to settle down a bit, he's in uniform... but they didn't care that I still kept ahold of one of his hands and stood there and shook with excitement. He got yelled at more often for hands in his pockets than he did for PDA since most Senior Leadership weren't ball busters about it around us.

And while yes, he is required to salute and greet while in uniform, even when he's with me, that doesn't mean that 1900 as we're heading to our car to get to a meeting, that you need to pull him aside for a 15 minute conversation about stuff for next week's mission when you have FOUR duty days to address it... you didn't feel the need to keep him late at release, you didn't feel the need to CALL him before you walked past us as you were headed into the restaurant, so obviously, it wasn't THAT important that it couldn't wait until TOMORROW'S WORK CALL!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2018 10:16 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 21 Nov 2018 10:16:18 -0500

As far as umbrellas go, enlisted soldiers and female officers are authorized to use them, but male officers are barred. This originates in the early days of World War II, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain often carried an umbrella around, and his attempts to negotiate with Hitler, gave him the reputation of being a traitor. This led to the US Army instituting a regulation banning male officers from carrying umbrellas. This regulation has since disappeared, but it is still practiced. As far as utility uniforms, I'm sure someone using an umbrella would be the laughing stock

Response by AN Adam Bess made Dec 18 at 2018 12:03 AM

AN Adam Bess — Tue, 18 Dec 2018 00:03:18 -0500

I agree with all of the rules. always gotta remain squared away!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2019 3:54 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Feb 2019 15:54:51 -0500

I cannot carry my cell phone inside the SCIF...

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 16 at 2019 1:30 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Jul 2019 13:30:52 -0400

Not being able to walk on grass

Response by SFC Jaysin Smith made Sep 1 at 2021 2:01 PM

SFC Jaysin Smith — Wed, 01 Sep 2021 14:01:41 -0400

Private!! WHY DO YOU HAVE YOUR HANDS IN YOUR FUCKIN OOCKETS??? WHATS IN YOUR OICKETS THAT YOU HSVE YOUR HANDS IN MY UNIFORM LOOKING LIKE YOUR HANGING WITH YOUR BUDDIES ON THE BLOCK? AN I ONE OF YOUR FUCKIN BUDDIES? DO YOU THINK WE'RE FRIENDS PRIVATE?? WHAT? SOUND OFF PRIVATE! WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR POCKETS THAT YOU FEEL THE NEED TO HAVE YOUR HANDS IN THEM?? I KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR POCKETS PRIVATE!!! SOME FUCKIN PUSH UPS! GET DOWN AND BEAT YOUR DACE UBTIL I GET TIRED! AND THINK ABOUT THIS WHEN YOU FEEL THE NEED TO OUT YOUR HANDS IN YOUR POCKETS!
LoL sound familiar to anyone? Benning style all the way ladies and gentlemen.

Response by PO1 Charles Smith made Sep 2 at 2021 1:00 AM

PO1 Charles Smith — Thu, 02 Sep 2021 01:00:55 -0400

I had an officer try to jack me up for my spouse wearing what looked like a piece of my uniform. I asked him for written orders due to the fact that the item belonged to her not me and what he was ordering me to do was to force a civilian to follow his orders. I noted that we were not on federal property and I could not force her to follow a regulation that she was not contractually obligated to follow.. My spouse is not under contract and not subject to the UCMJ. he asked me why I wanted the order written and I told him that that was what I was told to do in a non emergency when given an illegal order to cover myself. he then asked for my unit and CO's name. I gave him that and my CO's home phone number. never heard about it again.
there are many things in service that persons think they can order you to do but do not really have the authority since you have a contract. There are many things the armed forces does to people that they think is wrong but IS in their contract. I was told I should have put in a request to get permission to become married; I asked where the articles on marriage were in the contract, and was told that they did not need such; I showed them court cases where the military was found in breach of contract for having tried this before. Sure there are things that are not worth contesting.But i will not tolerate being bullied in any way shape manner or form.