A LTC denied entry walking his daughter into school because he was in uniform. Told it could be offensive. How would you react?

2014-09-10T20:06:20-04:00

A Lieutenant Colonel was escorting his daughter to Rochester Adams high school in Michigan, when the man in uniform was rudely informed that he would not be permitted to enter the premises.
The reason that the military officer was given? His uniform ‘might offend people.’
The security personnel hired by the school told the 24-year veteran Lt. Col. Sherwood Baker that if he wanted to take his daughter inside the building, he would have to go home and change clothes.
Lt. Col. Baker’s wife Rachel Ferhadson told WJBK, “before he was allowed in, the security guard stopped him and said sorry you’re not allowed in the school. Security told him men and women in uniform weren’t allowed because it may offend another student.”
The school superintendent Robert Shaner, who is a military veteran himself, went out of his way to apologize to the family for the misconduct of the security personnel.
But the question that should come to mind about protecting students from ‘taking offense’ at a soldier in uniform: what about offending a military officer in the U.S. Army with a long career of service defending Americans from enemies of the country, while putting his life on the line to do it?

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/09/176381-army-officer-walking-daughter-school-rudely-told-cant-enter/

An Army Officer Was Walking His Daughter to School But is Told He Can't Enter for 'Offensive'...

"Before he was allowed in, the security guard stopped him and said sorry you're not allowed in the school"...

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2014 8:29 PM

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SSG Robert Burns. Never disobey security in a sensitive environment . . . like an airport . . . or a school . . . or the next thing you know someone in another uniform may try to take you down and/or out completely. Best to do what was done in this situation . . . withdraw . . . consult higher authority . . . get deeply sincere apology . . . and change the interpretation of policy and/or the underlying policy.

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/26491600/army-officer-is-told-he-cant-enter-his-daughters-high-school-because-hes-wearing-his-uniform

Per the School Superintendent there was a mistake in interpretation of the rules by an outside firm's contract security guard . . . which has been remedied . . . and this will not happen again.

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Response by SSG Robert Burns made Sep 10 at 2014 8:31 PM

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I wonder how offensive my uniform would be if the school was attacked and the Armed Forces needed to come in and save the day for the "security guard?"

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Sep 10 at 2014 8:37 PM

2014-09-10T20:37:22-04:00

Unfortunately the correct answer is to abide, because especially in uniform you have to be the bigger person. If you go with answer A, the press gets wind of it and you've just ended your career. Hopefully this no talent, ass-clown, rent-a-cop is now doing security detail for a port-a-john company.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Sep 10 at 2014 8:42 PM

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"Stupid is as stupid does"

Response by MSG Wade Huffman made Sep 10 at 2014 8:44 PM

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I most certainly would NOT have made a scene there at the school in front of the children, that would make me just as wrong as the 'guard'. I would also have ensured that everyone from my child's teacher, all the way up to the President of the School Board (and everyone in between) was made aware of the situation and would not feel the least bit guilty if, and when, that pea brained 'security guard' was fired.
I'm very pleased that this story is making the news wires. People need to see the ineptitude of this individual who has been hired to 'protect' our schools and our children!

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Sep 10 at 2014 8:46 PM

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Now that I think about it, I probably would have had my first formation there the next day.

Response by SFC Nestor Nievesmoran made Sep 10 at 2014 8:46 PM

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As a professional and representative of the military I would request to talk to the principle, if that was not possible go to the superintendent. We must always have in mind that any time a Soldier wears his uniform he no longer represent himself but he represent the military and the country. If he disrespect that security guard the news would have been different. Next show and tell I will ensure my child talks about the military hahaha.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Sep 10 at 2014 8:53 PM

2014-09-10T20:53:05-04:00

if you listen to the news report posted by 1LT Sandy Annala, it sounds like they all tripped over themselves trying to egregiously and profoundly apologize in the nick of time before this went the way of the Ray Rice fiasco.

Response by CPT Jacob Swartout made Sep 10 at 2014 9:03 PM

2014-09-10T21:03:34-04:00

The school board committee needs to relook their policy. So some people may be offended by the uniform while they live under the blanket of freedom. I have no patience for pacifist in today's society. This happens to a 24 yr veteran Lieutenant Colonel who may have been asked to bring his daughter to school to see the guidance counselor or a teacher before he went to work. Someone there needs to put some real thought process in school policies and rules. Before you know it, #2 pencils will be banned from school premises.

Response by CMSgt James Nolan made Sep 10 at 2014 9:04 PM

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And.....along with what MSG Wade Huffman was saying, it would go up the chain and back down the chain and I would be finding my way to where the instruction originated.

What country are we living in where the sight of a service member in uniform "may be offensive"?

Stop the insanity PLEASE. AMERICA needs to wake up from this craziness.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2014 9:06 PM

2014-09-10T21:06:18-04:00

I'm not really sure on this one. Either the security guard was going out of his way to be a politically correct as possible, is completely confused, or a simple dumbass. I wouldn't like to think that a SCHOOL would hire an individual who happens to be a confused idiot, so I am going to force myself to think that he was trying to be PC.
Now, where he got the idea that soldiers in uniform are offensive to school-children, I have no clue. I haven't heard any controversy about it, but thanks to the world-wide web, I can research it.

Response by LTC Hillary Luton made Sep 10 at 2014 9:19 PM

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And explain to my daughter in front of the security officer, "I'm sorry honey, I am unable to walk you into the school today, because there are people in this country who think its still acceptable to discriminate against others because of their gender, skin color, culture, or in your mother's case, because of the uniform I wear as part of my commitment to defend their very freedoms. Maybe someday we will live in a country free of discrimination." I would then give my daughter a hug and kiss, sending her on her way, stand up, look the security officer in the eye, smile, say "have a good day", turn around and walk away.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2014 9:35 PM

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Request to speak with his boss or school officials

Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Sep 10 at 2014 9:40 PM

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Offensive to who per se?

Response by Sgt Packy Flickinger made Sep 10 at 2014 9:52 PM

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First, I would have got their names, then I would have went off on those UnAmerican SHITBAGS. I'd then contact the news and plaster their names all over the media!! How pathetic an un patriotic have Americans become.

Response by SFC Nestor Nievesmoran made Sep 10 at 2014 10:29 PM

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This people are totally waste of sper... that like to still Americans oxygen. I have a simple saying, those that get offended for the flag, military, patriotism have a very simple choice call 1800 LEAVE my country. Too many sensitivity and compassion that it is disgusting. It is time to stop pleasing everyone because they get offended...

Response by SPC David S. made Sep 10 at 2014 10:35 PM

2014-09-10T22:35:05-04:00

I would have told him "Its all good you see as I play defense so its defensive." and continued walking. If the guard insisted that i not enter then I would have taking off my uniform and then I would have said "Now this", pointing to myself in my skivvies "is offensive."

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Sep 10 at 2014 10:42 PM

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I wonder what the security guard was wearing. Hmmmm

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Sep 10 at 2014 10:46 PM

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The "situation" was resolved in about 10 minutes. This isn't a news story. Just typical Fox News poop stirring...

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2014 10:48 PM

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Wait, wait, did I see a keyword: MAY offend?? What a doooooouche.....

That man deserves face palm of the day [drumroll]

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Sep 10 at 2014 11:09 PM

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I nod in agreement and go as far as I'm "allowed" without causing a scene and bringing shame to my uniformed services. After big hugs and high fives and the kids are ALL inside, I get "escorted" to the principle and I don't leave until we get to the origination of the policy. I have never sued anyone for anything but this calls for an attorney. I get an attorney on retainer and take no action until I make sure my C of C knows exactly what transpired and advise them that I have already attained counsel. Not one red cent will be taken from the taxpayer, but rest assured that that behavior and decision making will be put on blast. Point blank.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2014 11:13 PM

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Say ok only because he is only doing his job but ask to speak to school principal or superintendent on the spot and ask to be shown where it says in their policy / rules and regs that a person in uniform can be denied entry to the school.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2014 11:38 PM

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I would have abided by the officers' request because I was in uniform. However, I would have went to the principal with my concerns and then to the school board and as high as needed to get a resolution.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2014 12:05 AM

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Unfortunately being a representative of the armed forces you must abide. That being said it would be hard holding your tongue and not decking the security guard. Hearing things like this make you wonder whats happening to these United States.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2014 12:50 AM

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I strongly suspect my daughter (who is definitely daddy's girl) would make an on the spot correction.
She might even throw in a knife-hand - I saw her "correct" her two-year-old brother just today with the knife-hand.
I didn't condone it, but I couldn't stop laughing.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2014 1:05 AM

2014-09-11T01:05:29-04:00

My reaction as I read this...continue to march forward and tell him to stop me. My blood was boiling! But, as I am a professional, I counted to 10 and thought the same thing that most of you have already stated. Best thing to do is to turn around and take the issue up with the proper school authorities. Of course, I'd be sure to invite the local press to join in my conversation as the principal, the superintendent and the school board try to explain and justify this egregious abuse of power. I might even have to contact my attorney in light of the severe emotional trauma my children and I suffered from the security guard's actions and words. I might even have to turn in claims of being offended that worthless sacks like this get to breathe the same air as my children. Am I upset? Words don't even begin to describe...and I've met some ignorant "locals" in Temple, Texas who just have no culture or respect for other people, but this takes the cake!

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2014 1:05 AM

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Media and a lawsuit

Response by SSgt Gregory Guina made Sep 11 at 2014 1:31 AM

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No point in causing a scene.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Sep 11 at 2014 1:30 AM

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I would point out the 101st ABN patch on my right shoulder and remind the oversensitive little punk about the Little Rock Nine just before calling their supervisor and requesting the guard's termination for discrimination. I would also push to get the school put on the off limits list. This would require every Soldier to withdrawal their child from the school and impact funding.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2014 6:58 AM

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There is a YouTube video about this that you all may need to watch. Apparently the security guard was not entirely clear on the policy and spoke out of place. The superintendent is a vet and clarified the situation.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2014 7:17 AM

2014-09-11T07:17:43-04:00

I would take it up with the security guard's supervisor or the school superintendent. The school superintendent - later, presumably - admitted "misconduct of the security personnel."

Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Sep 11 at 2014 7:48 AM

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Yeah I can see how that would be offensive. Especially if they don't like all the freedoms and liberties that uniform has provided them. What the hell is wrong with these people? Absolutely appalling to hear such blatant disrespect for those who are providing the blanket of freedom they enjoy so much.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2014 8:12 AM

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I believe that as service men and women we have the discipline to not give a reaction to the public. If it were me I would have took my child and went home and probably done the same thing as the LTC. Now when we talk about this in a view of pride and being a man and what we would have liked to do that's probably a different answer

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Sep 11 at 2014 8:28 AM

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As I commented on in response to another member's comments....

I believe everyone's first reaction would be to make a scene and demand entry, however, that would just have escalated the problem. The best course is to be calm and comply, but follow-up in a professional and rational manner with someone in authority over that person. Especially when one is in uniform.

Clearly, the security guard was wrong and was not enforcing a school policy. I believe the Superintendent made that clear and did the right thing.

As a Military Police officer, I have had to "clean up" some messy situations, many involving senior NCOs and officers who got sideways with MPs on duty. While, technically, they may have been correct, when they started arguing with or refusing to follow the legal instructions of an MP (most times much junior in rank) and the situation escalates, they are generally the ones who bear the brunt of the "at fault" findings and the repercussion that follow. I have, more times than I can recount, had to pull out an Army or local regulation that stated "Military Police on duty will not be corrected, reprimanded or given instructions by anyone other than their Military Police chain of command" or words to that effect.

The same is true for dealing with civilian law enforcement and, in most instances, commercial security guards. If you argue with their instructions, more times than not, you are going to lose. It is better to simply comply and take it up with their supervisors.

I have always hated the statement used by MPs "Don't confuse your rank with my authority" and have recommended against using it, however, it actually defines the situation that exists in many cases.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2014 8:32 AM

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I picked the first option for two reasons he has challenged me in front of my young impressionable daughter that she shouldn't be proud of her father's profession and that some how my service should be shameful, because it may offend someone. Second, this security guard has wrongly challenged an authority figure in my daughter's eyes and I have no tolerance for that. I would never correct a civilian or Soldier in front of their family and I expect the same respect. Now in passing I would not have taken a threatening tone but I took time out of busy day to ensure my daughter made it to class then that as my fatherly duty should be respected not chastised

Response by Cpl Peter Martuneac made Sep 11 at 2014 8:38 AM

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Ideally, show him what a REAL offensive looks like. But in order not to discredit the Marine Corps, because you represent the entire Marine Corps whenever you're in uniform, I would choke down my pride and ask to speak to the school supervisor immediately so as to clear up any misunderstandings.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Sep 11 at 2014 8:49 AM

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I probably would have had a hard time not laughing at him.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Sep 11 at 2014 8:53 AM

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If it had been my daughter, she would have immediately taken out her phone and started recording. It wouldn't have been pretty.

Response by SSG Jacob Wiley made Sep 11 at 2014 9:10 AM

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There is a serious problem in this country when a service member's uniform is offensive. Offensive to whom? Yet our welfare, government subsides phones and housing, food stamps and healthcare aren't offensive?

WAKE UP.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2014 10:01 AM

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I wouldn't make a scene, but at the same time I wouldn't abide either. There's no legal basis to deny me entry, so I'd probably just walk right past him ignoring him. He can't physically stop me without incurring assault and battery charges, so I doubt it would be hard. As soon as my daughter was safely inside I'd leave and make some phone calls. The first to the school superintendent. Depending on how that conversation goes will dictate what comes next, like say a call to the local press.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Sep 11 at 2014 10:02 AM

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Dang, 10:00 and I only got 1 up vote left. Who's gonna get it?

Response by CWO2 Shelby DuBois made Sep 11 at 2014 10:57 AM

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Lets take this a step further... I was at a college career fair last year. Marine and Army recruiters were in uniform. The Navy recruiter was in dress slacks and a Navy windbreaker and/or sweater. I asked why they were not in uniform and they said they found it easier to relate to college kids and some of the foreign nationals might find them offensive.

Response by PO1 Ken Johnson made Sep 11 at 2014 12:32 PM

2014-09-11T12:32:07-04:00

Disobeying the "authority" of the security guard would be counter productive. Contacting the office and requesting information and then taking it to the district would be my path...

Response by CPT Carolyn "Carrie" Hoza made Sep 11 at 2014 1:14 PM

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Agreed to ask to speak w/ the principal. But my real question is when did this country get so Politically Correct and worried about offending the civilians at the cost of offending those that write that blank check protecting those rights!?! This country has me SERIOUSLY concerned.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Sep 11 at 2014 1:21 PM

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Im sure this couldn't be the first Soldier to walk in there in uniform. You think this is the first time this has happened or first time it's been reported?

Response by CMDCM Gene Treants made Sep 11 at 2014 1:46 PM

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As much as I would love to get into it with this idiot, he is in charge of the school security and obviously in love with his own power. So I will have to sen my daughter in and go away quietly, for the moment.

Now it is my turn. Supervisor, Principal and School Superintendent will all now receive phone calls from me letting them know what happened. At that point I am done with my part and will return to the school to either have lunch with my daughter or to pick her up after school. Yes I will be in uniform and I will enter the school this time.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Sep 11 at 2014 2:02 PM

2014-09-11T14:02:04-04:00

I'd go right past the "Security Guard" and straight to the School Principal's Office without saying another word to the Security Guard, but I'd have a few words to say to the Principal...

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Actually, I'm forgetting that I'm retired and while that might work for me now, it wouldn't work for me in uniform. It would turn out badly for both of us and that's a lose-lose scenario. CMDCM Gene Treants had the more level headed approach. Drop the daughter off at the door, and then contact the school board informing them about what happened...

Response by SPC Randy Torgerson made Sep 11 at 2014 2:16 PM

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As I have said, the article states that the school has no such policy and they apologized to the soldier and the security company misunderstood the guidelines. Everyone should remember that often what we perceive is not reality. There are 2 sides to every story and situation. Be strong in reason and sensibility and make some attempt to discover the facts before getting upset or going off on anyone.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2014 3:42 PM

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I gotta agree with MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca I think if you're at that point and the way the media is today if you decided to blow off the security guard you would be the "bad guy" right away and give the military a bad name. Is this dumb and in general wrong? Yes but it's better the way this officer chose to act and maintain his professional bearing. Now the way things are this security guard is the one that looks like the idiot and the school district is doing everything in its power to correct the situation.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Sep 11 at 2014 4:22 PM

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I couldn't believe it until I read the article... classic case of Barney Fife.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Sep 11 at 2014 4:46 PM

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I would ask to speak to someone in authority...because anyone who makes such a foolish statement is only following orders and should not be put in charge of anything...well he could go back to be in charge of the urinals, but nothing more. IF anyone still would bar me...in uniform...from escorting my daughter to her school:

I remove my daughter from school. Call the press and show this idiot and the school for what they are.

First, what is offensive about the uniform? I have seen people in uniform all my life and was never once 'offended'? So what was this idiot even talking about? Okay, there have been some people that were so ate up, they offended me, but this is a dfferent problem and subject.

Second, anyone offended or concerned about a soldier in uniform in our schools needs to be 1, kicked out of our schools because they are bigger problem or issue than a soldier or 2. provided the mental health help they need...to include school officials.

Actually, this all symptom of larger problem in our Nation.

Response by Cpl Matthew Wall made Sep 11 at 2014 4:48 PM

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I would have asked to speak to the principal.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Sep 11 at 2014 5:01 PM

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I would politely stand my ground and demand to speak to a superior or to be escorted to the administration office and speak to the principal. I'm willing to bet the rent-a-cop was going by what he was told but his company will never admit telling him that. Things have changed since I was in school. I was told I didn't have the right to be offended by an adult. Only my parents had that right until I turned eighteen.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Sep 11 at 2014 5:04 PM

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A good shyster could throw a scare into the security company by suing for attempting to interfere with child custody.......*grin*

Response by Capt Lance Gallardo made Sep 11 at 2014 5:22 PM

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Unprintable Response! But after time to calm down, contact all media and veteran's groups and bring the media equivalent of Naval Gunfire to bear on everyone in the chain of command up to and including the Superintendent of the School District and the School District Board of Commissioners/Trustees. When Military in Uniform are treated in such a rude and blatantly disrespectful manner, it only confirms my belief that the 1% (those that have served in the All Volunteer Military during GWOT) are severely distanced from the People that they serve. But what do you expect, when such a small portion of our society has born the costs of multiple deployments during GWOT and all the rest of us were told to just shut up and go shopping and pay our taxes!

Response by SCPO Frank Waldron made Sep 11 at 2014 5:38 PM

2014-09-11T17:38:04-04:00

The probability is that I would have walked in and when they laid hands on me as they probably would have, I would own the school, and everything that the security guard currently and in the future ever would own.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Sep 11 at 2014 6:18 PM

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Do you think rank made any difference in this situation?

Response by LCpl Steve Wininger made Sep 11 at 2014 8:54 PM

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Obviously, the guard is a Barney Fife wannabe. They can take away his one bullet and gun so he don't shoot his self in the foot, but they couldn't stop him from shooting off his mouth.

Political correctness is way out of control if you have to strip down to your skivvies to keep from offending someone.

Finally, if someone, student, parent, or otherwise is offended by a service member wearing their uniform, then obviously that person feels they do not need the protection of any branch of service. I would suggest that said offendee, be shipped express delivery to Iraq for duty as a future moving target of said American service members.

My guess is, the guard, and his police type authority probably offends students more than someone wearing a military uniform.

Response by PFC Francis Ney made Sep 11 at 2014 8:58 PM

2014-09-11T20:58:26-04:00

And pray he's stupid enough to go "hands on". Assaulting a serving member of the military is still good for 20 years at Club Fed.

Response by Sgt Andrew Pouliot made Sep 11 at 2014 10:37 PM

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Jesus, that is just inexcusable. I've never heard of a uniform offending someone like that (at least in the US military). It's a good thing the superintendent stepped in. I would have the security people talked to because they obviously have no idea what they're doing or talking about.

Response by SPC Charles Brown made Sep 11 at 2014 11:56 PM

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Stand fast and wait to be arrested. If I were still a soldier I earned the right to wear the uniform, civilians bd.

Response by CPT Ahmed Faried made Sep 12 at 2014 3:43 AM

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Ask to see the principal. Because in this case it happened to be the rent-a-cop's own thing. It wasn't the school's policy per se.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Sep 12 at 2014 4:01 AM

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Well it's a sad day when you get told this! I would have probably GEEKED out on the dude. Would have stayed professional, but would have went straight down to the school board and raised some H#LL.

Response by LTC Joseph Gross made Sep 12 at 2014 6:22 AM

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I would absolutely walk right by the guard forcing him to use physical measures to stop me.

Response by CSM Tony Bowen made Sep 12 at 2014 10:39 AM

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The LTC did the right thing. I don't believe there is any other acceptable answer. No matter how we are treated as Soldiers or Retirees you still represent the Government and the American People. Pick and choose your battles wisely I always say. His reactions didn't make just him look good but everyone in uniform. Had he reacted negatively his reactions would made him and all in uniform look bad. Kudos to the LTC.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 12 at 2014 10:47 AM

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I would have to tell him/her how I feel and how they should be ashamed of themselves

Response by MAJ Jeff Coulter made Sep 12 at 2014 11:10 AM

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Demand to see a school administrator. If that did not work, call the media right then. Failing that, walk in and tell them to stop me.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 12 at 2014 11:59 AM

2014-09-12T11:59:06-04:00

You are a professional as an American service member. Therefor act like a professional! Make a smart decision to go to the school leadership and express how you feel and not make it a blown out of whack issue. Sometime some ppl are not educated enough to know what is coming out of their mouths.

Response by SGT Marvin "Dave" Bigham made Sep 12 at 2014 12:43 PM

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As a citizen soldier, we should follow lawful orders. However, I would make it a point to address this issue with the administration and wear my uniform to as many school functions as possible to avoid offending my children's pride in their father and country!

Response by PO2 Russell Gaede made Sep 12 at 2014 2:12 PM

2014-09-12T14:12:07-04:00

I would respect the security the way I would want respect and not just march by him. I would, however, respectfully request to speak with the principal immediately and get the district on the phone as well and have the situation resolved.

I am concerned with the way we get "offended." When did volunteering to possibly lay down your life for your country and all who reside therein become offensive?

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 12 at 2014 2:52 PM

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I would ask him to show me where in the district policy it states that a uniformed member of the Armed Services is forbidden to enter the campus. If he were to still give me crap, then I would ask to speak to the Principal. I am fairly certain this would never happen around my home town though, people around here are very supportive of the military.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Sep 12 at 2014 3:15 PM

2014-09-12T15:15:30-04:00

I was about to get POd but then I noticed the Source IJR. Another Reich Wing Rag like FOX. I give it no credence. You could get better information from the National Enquirer.

Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made Sep 12 at 2014 4:36 PM

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In this case, I would go straight to the main office...still in uniform...and politely request a meeting with the principal.

Barring that, I would make my way to the district office and request a similar meeting with the school superintendent.

Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made Sep 12 at 2014 4:39 PM

2014-09-12T16:39:38-04:00

Hey, folks. Please please PLEASE stop referring to security professionals as "rent-a-cop." It's highly derogatory and very offensive to the ethical and highly professional individuals who choose to work in private security.

Never mind the fact that many security officers are former military....

Was actually surprised to see the comment from you, MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca. :/

Response by GySgt Mike Swisher made Sep 12 at 2014 5:28 PM

2014-09-12T17:28:41-04:00

As painful as it is, the correct course of action would be to abide by the "policy" at that moment in time.
Attending the next school board meeting to get clarification and reasoning behind such a policy would be at the top of my list afterwards.

Response by PO2 Molly Burton made Sep 12 at 2014 6:00 PM

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This is where I think our cultures will clash as far as branches go. We all seem to agree that this event was set into motion by someone with the mentality of a broken screw driver. However, even as infuriating any of us can become, it is not about the other person making these assumptions as much as it is about the most cherished person watching us. In his case, it was his daughter. So, respectfully, in the moment the most structured way to handle that situation would be to follow the rule for that moment. As a parent, I would have instructed my child that there is more than one way to skin a cat and that there is always a course for re-course. It is better to plan and play a game of strategy than to be a hot head moving through a situation.

Response by A1C Michael King made Sep 13 at 2014 4:49 AM

2014-09-13T04:49:56-04:00

I would demand to see the chief administrator of the school and ask him or her what precedent had occurred to lead school personnel to suspect that the sight of a man or woman in uniform would be "offensive" to students. It might be that uniformed officers had dispatched a crazed community member in full view of the student body. It might be that some students were refugees who had witnessed military operations which had left them traumatized. On the other hand, if--as I suspect--this is simply a matter of some hippie-oriented parents' anti-military views being pushed onto their kids, this affront to an honorable American warrior is inexcusable.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 13 at 2014 7:59 AM

2014-09-13T07:59:46-04:00

That is simply disheartening that he was remanded to leave for wearing his military uniform. It must be a shame that the students do not understand the reason that they have free speech is because it is defended daily by the men and women that wear that exact same uniform. Other countries on this earth simply dream of their country not having human rights or equal rights or liberties such as free speech to voice their opinion.

Response by Capt Lance Gallardo made Sep 13 at 2014 12:18 PM

2014-09-13T12:18:37-04:00

OK the way to properly address the immediate situation as presented is to ask to speak with the security guard's immediate supervisor. Then up the chain of authority, Dean of security, VP/AP of the school, and finally the local top authority, the Principal. My mother retired as an LAUSD Area Superintendent, and she told me about an incident with the school police where the frontline "doorkeeper" at a local high school, refused to allow admittance to the School Police in Uniform, unless they sign in on the school's sign in sheet. That is required at ALL LA Unified Schools, and is a longstanding policy for anyone who is classified as a "visit," not permanently assigned staff, teachers or classified employees, or volunteers who have been background checked and issued school IDs. So the school cops refused to sign in (they are special you know). Bottom line, they are refused entry to the campus, and the school employee was on the phone with their supervisor at their headquartered before their shadows had exited the property! They were "counseled" for their attitude and failure to abide by school district policy. If the security guard cannot cite a clear policy for refusing admittance to Military in Uniform, he is acting outside of the scope of his authority, and he will be quickly reversed. Keep your cool, move up the food chain until you are dealing with someone in greater authority than the security guard, and you will eventually find someone who will be reasonable or will clearly cite to a school district written policy that justifies your prohibition while in uniform. At that point this is a situation for the school district's legal counsel, and it is probably a policy decision that needs to be addressed at the School Board's Next Meeting. One thing the fact scenario did not mention is whether or not, the school guard did or did not ask to also see the Officer's CAC card/Military ID. As we all know there are unfortunately Posers and Impostors out there who wear a US Military Uniform, and who have never served in the military or due to the nature of their discharge are not allowed by regulation to wear a US Military Uniform. The schools district can turn a lemon into Lemonaid, by hosting an "Armed Forces Day" where recruiters, parents, and employees (lots of teachers are reservists or guardsmen or vets), are encouraged to wear their uniforms that one day a year, so that the students are not frightened by the sight of a US Armed forces uniform. The day could also be augmented with an all hands school assembly where members of the armed forces, recruiters, vets, give a short presentation on service in the US Military, the GI Bill benefits, etc. THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY! Carpe Diem, Seize the moment!

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 13 at 2014 6:56 PM

2014-09-13T18:56:12-04:00

Garbage. I would have demanded to speak with the principal immediately. My uniform that I earned will be worn where I wish. That communist needs to have his brain examined and should look for employment outside of the United States.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 13 at 2014 7:57 PM

2014-09-13T19:57:48-04:00

SSG Burns,

What bothers me the most about this is the idea of someone implying that being a Soldier is a bad thing in front of my daughter. All my daughter knows is that her dad has missed birthdays, opening season games, first days of school doing something that he believes is important. I would have to question what exactly is being taught to kids in the school if rules slip through the cracks about uniformed service members. Know one has the right to make my daughter stop believing I'm Superman, someone would have to answer for that. That is just poor decision making, at the policy making level leaders in the district should be smarter.

The irony Ito me is that the place were my daughter is supposed to be being educated has to have security. When I was in school so much instruction time was wasted because teachers had to attend to disruptive kids/criminals. My kids should not have to compete with malcontents attending class only because they are legally obligated to. Start by removing the distraction and making hard decisions about alternative education for problematic kids. Superficial security measures is not on par with what parents should expect from PhD level educators.

Response by PO3 Tuck Miller made Sep 14 at 2014 12:33 PM

2014-09-14T12:33:18-04:00

I definitely would not be happy, but I would do as the security "guard" said, I would have explained to my daughter that was the security officer was doing was wrong on so many levels, and have her go on to class.

I would have then told the guard to call the principal or some one else in authority that I could speak with, and get the issue resolved.

Response by SPC Brian Aranda made Sep 14 at 2014 1:18 PM

2014-09-14T13:18:24-04:00

Abide by what the security guard says, but come back ready to fight this idiotic policy.

Response by SSgt David Norcutt made Sep 16 at 2014 10:55 AM

2014-09-16T10:55:46-04:00

I am not condoning the action taken by the security guard or the complacency of the staff as they let it happen. However I have a question directed to active duty members. Is it okay for any service member to enter a school or any other establishment in their ACU, BDU, Fatigues etc? (Sorry I don't know today's correct terminology) When I was active duty years ago I remember that we were not allowed, we had to go straight from duty to home or home to duty. We had to wear our Class A or Blues (Air Force) if we wanted to visit an off base establishment. On a side note they should have let the Lt Col. in and the Lt Col. did the right thing.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2014 11:28 AM

2014-09-16T11:28:47-04:00

Immediately ask to speak with the principle of the school

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2014 11:45 AM

2014-09-16T11:45:18-04:00

I think the LTC did the right thing in the situation...getting in an altercation while in uniform (or out) at a school isn't going to help anyone. The ignorant actions of one employee obviously didn't reflect what the school system endorsed.

I'd be frustrated if I were in the same situation, and I hope I could keep my cool like LTC Baker did.

Response by Cpl Jason Parr made Sep 17 at 2014 11:34 AM

2014-09-17T11:34:09-04:00

I would abide and then inform the school I was removing my daughter and enrolling her in one of the other two High Schools in the area.

Response by 1LT William Clardy made Sep 21 at 2014 9:14 PM

2014-09-21T21:14:52-04:00

Time to see the principal and get some clarification.

And, if necessary, politely explain that no child of mine will be forced to study under the guidance of officials who consider military uniforms offensive.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 27 at 2014 1:34 AM

2014-09-27T01:34:37-04:00

Since we are professionals in and out of uniform; I would respectfully request to speak to the Principal/Superintendant of the school as to why their security guards would make such a comment and to find out if the school supports the security guards views OR if they support what the uniform stands for. I agree with many other's comments; as I grew up, we lived in many communities and there never had to be security guards. It is a truly sad day when you see those in Security uniforms disrespecting those in military uniform (regardless of service) and teaching our kids to believe that the uniform is offensive and should not be worn in public.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Oct 8 at 2014 10:21 AM

2014-10-08T10:21:05-04:00

I have responded to this before, but upon further consideration I believe I would take following actions as well. I would go before the school board and question the qualifications of those who would teach my child that pride in our nation and those who serve must be subordinated to the POSSIBILITY that someone might be offended. Our armed forces take great pride in the reputation of protecting the weak and innocent rather than being the agents of oppression. I would consider this the same thing as teaching our children to be fearful of police. As a child, I can remember being excited when a Police Officer, or a Soldier, or a Fireman came to visit and talk to us. It causes me a great deal of anxiety to think that children are being shown that serving others is "offensive" and I believe a comprehensive overhaul of that education system should be addressed.

Response by LCpl Rosalie Young made Oct 8 at 2014 7:30 PM

2014-10-08T19:30:16-04:00

I'd consider staying on site, not entering the school, but requesting a meeting with the powers that be immediately. Seems pretty ridiculous to me that a man whose child is attending a public school is told his military uniform is offensive, when we all know the dress codes in most high schools are NOT strictly enforced!

Response by SPC James Mcneil made Oct 8 at 2014 7:50 PM

2014-10-08T19:50:11-04:00

I'd like to think I'd just march past the security guard.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 8 at 2014 9:11 PM

2014-10-08T21:11:42-04:00

I typically say "oh, it was on Fox, so let me delete every negative adjective to really understand the story", but I think that anyone who read the linked article will see that the security guard in question simply didn't understand the actual policy in play.

Playing devil's advocate, should people in uniform "march right by" security guards? It's not hard for someone to get fake uniforms (plenty of examples have hit social media lately)....

Response by PO1 Dean Wunderly made Oct 16 at 2014 4:18 PM

2014-10-16T16:18:53-04:00

I want to know what students may be offended by the uniform of the US Military? If there is a student that is offended perhaps they should sent home to discuss this infraction with their parents and explain to them and the school what offends them, if the parents are also offended by the uniform of the US Militarh perhaps they need to pack up their belongings and return to what ever country they or their progeny have come from. To be offended by the uniform of a person man or woman who has vowed to lie their life down so that ignorant people can populate the earth and make foolish statements as being offended by a Military uniform is a travesty.

Response by LCpl John Ketterer made Oct 16 at 2014 11:42 PM

2014-10-16T23:42:20-04:00

I would insist on talking to the supervisor or the principal IMMEDIATELY! If they were not available I would stand the there, with my daughter, until they arrived. The next day I would pull my child out of that school and enroll her in another school. The media WOULD be notified as well.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 3:42 AM

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To not cause a scene in front of my kid I would let her go to school from my fartherest point. After she left I am not really sure how that conversation would go. This is down right assinine. So If god came down from the heavens and wanted to go in they would tell him the same thing? Not even remotely comparing the two...but really?

Response by MAJ Jim Woods made Feb 26 at 2015 7:37 AM

2015-02-26T07:37:33-05:00

I would like to do #1 but would probably turn around, with my daughter, go straight to the School District office and gently explain that if the Superintendent didn't "fix" the problem I would place my daughter in a Charter School and head for the local TV Station.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2015 11:05 AM

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They'd have to TRY to stop me after being rendered unconscious!

Response by SFC William Crews made Feb 26 at 2015 11:56 AM

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I would abide by the request but, you can bet your sweet ass the school would feel the wrath of Uncle Sam, the community and anybody else if I had anything to say about it.

Response by SFC Jeff Stevenson made Feb 27 at 2015 5:04 AM

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I believe he responded correctly. Politely request to speak to someone in charge instead of dealing with hired security. Verify what was said and again, set the example to both the school and his daughter. He is a man of honor, protecting the rights and freedoms of those going to and working for that school district. I would definitely deal with the school district and would ensure that I was very prepared with dealing with what transpired and give the district ample time to correct. My first question to the "security guard" would be Whom are you referring to that I might offend with my profession of protecting the lives and liberties of all people currently at this school. The time of political correctness has reached an appalling low and needs to be corrected. The majority rule in a democracy and we are now cowering to the .01 % which is sad. Great job, Sir.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 7:22 AM

2015-02-27T07:22:12-05:00

My response would probably be something along the lines of, "This is the United States of America, a land where we are proud of personal accomplishments. If someone is going to be offended by this uniform they are welcome to feel that way. I will still willingly fight and die so they have the luxury of feeling offended. And the luxury of choosing to live in another nation so they don't have to be offended by this uniform if they should choose to."

THEN enter.

And then get dragged out by my supervisor in all likelihood . . .

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Feb 27 at 2015 7:30 AM

2015-02-27T07:30:30-05:00

Grin and say "If you think you're more dedicated to keeping me out me out, than I am to seeing my daughter safely into her classroom, you will find yourself sadly mistaken." While he stands slack-jawed working his way through that sentence, deftly guide daughter around the imbecile and walk her to class. Once she's safely in class, next stop principal's office to discuss policies of the school and conduct of its representatives.

Of course, I would be in Charlies, Alphas or Bravos, since a Marine can't be in cammies in a civilian public place, so there's be even more class and gravitas to the affair.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 8:51 AM

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It is very unfortunate that someone would think this way. Is it right for someone to think our uniforms are "offensive?" Absolutely not, it is however their right. Unfortunately, some people may think this way. Not because we support and defend our Nation... It's simply because somewhere along the lines some "dirt-bag" made them think that way. We've got to remember what we represent in uniform. It is all too often that I see someone doing the wrong thing, whether it be on or off post. It is our responsibility to recognize when we are doing wrong. It is our responsibility to correct it. I challenge everyone reading to make the corrections, have the fortitude, and to check across the board. Somewhere along the lines... this security guard got offended. I'm NOT saying its right for him to "discriminate" against us/our uniform. I'm simply saying, let's correct it by being professional and upholding the standards.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 9:15 AM

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http://www.inquisitr.com/1465561/michigan-district-apologizes-to-army-officer-denied-entrance-into-daughters-school-over-uniform/

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/general-news/20140910/rochester-schools-superintendent-apologizes-to-army-officer-turned-away-from-school-it-cannot-happen-again

Michigan District Apologizes To Army Officer Denied Entrance Into Daughter’s School Over Uniform

The superintendent of a Michigan school district has apologized to U.S. Army officer Lieutenant Colonel Sherwood Baker after he was denied access into his

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 11:28 AM

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I would have to ask if a nurse in uniform was allowed to enter. Some families don’t allow children to be seen by modern medical professionals because they believe in home medical remedies. Also the fact that I am and have been in the military has given them the right to be offended. I stand by each individual and their right to be offended, which is the reason that we all get up in the morning and put this uniform on. So I say feel free to be offended and let me continue to fight for your right to do so but don’t stop me from being a good parent.

Response by SPC Brandon Spray made Feb 27 at 2015 11:39 AM

2015-02-27T11:39:10-05:00

I would follow the rules in uniform, however there would be a really nice conversation out of uniform with the school district and the media shortly afterwards.

Response by SGT Mark Sullivan made Feb 27 at 2015 11:45 AM

2015-02-27T11:45:41-05:00

Let them stop me once, then have them place this in writing to hand to me. Then file a class action law suit for discrimination.

Response by SP5 Richard Maze made Feb 27 at 2015 2:55 PM

2015-02-27T14:55:13-05:00

Marching by the security guard is just a way to cause a ruckus, and seems more likely to escalate the situation than resolve it. Do you want to get in a wrestling match with a security guard in front of your child and other students because you think you are right? Seems like the adult thing happened, with the officer calling someone higher up at the school to get the stupid policy fixed.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 12:31 PM

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I would abide and complain to the Principal. Now I take my daughter and son to school and pick them up on occassion in uniform and never had a problem. Usually nice smiles and and thank you.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2015 2:11 PM

2015-03-03T14:11:16-05:00

Guess my kid isn't going to school that day.

Response by SPC Sherrie Chapman made Mar 4 at 2015 1:00 PM

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I'd be demanding to see a supervisor right then and there.

Response by CDR Mike Kovack made Mar 4 at 2015 4:29 PM

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Hey, everybody makes mistakes. It wasn't school policy. Some low guy on the totem pole made an error in judgement mistake and management fixed it. Actually, the system worked. No big deal.

Response by Sgt Leonard Bustin made Mar 4 at 2015 4:39 PM

2015-03-04T16:39:35-05:00

Politely request he ask a senior administrator to come to the gate to ask for permission for you to pass. Ask the administrator nicely. If the administrator refuses, ask for a more senior administrator until you get to the top. If still no success, on to the press and your local state senator, all done gently but firmly as an officer and a gentleman.

Response by PO2 Robert Lee made Apr 12 at 2016 10:31 AM

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He should march right by the security guard (taking down his name for the future law suit.) Then his next office should be the principal and immediately take his child out of school. Then his attorney to sue the school for violations of his 1st Amendment rights.