Advice on finding a meaningful career after the military?

Sheryl Verhulst — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:06:40 -0500

As a veteran, do you think it's easier or harder to land a professional job? I am a veteran with 2 college degrees (both in Psychology) and I am currently working on my third for Business Management - Financial Investment and Planning. I also have years of volunteer service including AmeriCorps, and have a stable work history with some supervision experience. That being said, I find it very difficult to land jobs where there are opportunities for promotions or regular raises. I currently work for a food bank but it's on a private contract, and my chances of being hired in is extremely slim due to budget constraints. My goal is to work for the government but there are never any job openings in areas I have experience in. Any suggestions? Job recruiters are constantly trying to get me in sales or business development but that is not my forte. Currently moving out of the county is not an option. Would VocRehab be a good option or would they deem me too capable of finding work? I have never been unemployed for more than a month.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 4:14 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:14:58 -0500

If you want a government job, your best resource is usually usajobs.gov. I guess the biggest question is what kind of job do you really want to do? If you are looking to start a second career, education and cetifications are always important. The fact that you already have 2 college degrees and are working on another is great! If you know specifically what kind of industry you want to work in, you can tailor your education and qualifications to fit. But I'm sure someone on this site will be able to help you even more than I can.

Response by Elizabeth Malkin made Feb 5 at 2015 5:16 PM

Elizabeth Malkin — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:16:19 -0500

Sheryl Verhulst, it sounds like you have the education, the drive and the work ethic to be an excellent employee for a company that is able to recognise your talents and potential and to place you in the right position. If you know that you are not interested in Sales or Biz Dev then good for you for not 'falling into them' and for staying true to the course until you do find a good opportunity for you in a field that makes sense. One way that you could get closer to working in the government sector if you cannot find a direct opening is to work for a DoD contractor. There are often many veterans who choose to work in companies that align themselves with the government and they often follow many of the same mindsets and workflows. You could look for a DoD contractor who has a branch that is focused on social good. these companies would have enough money to cover a good salary but you would be able to work in a department that was centred around what you care about.

Response by SGT Jim Z. made Feb 5 at 2015 5:56 PM

SGT Jim Z. — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:56:01 -0500

All I can say is good luck with your search, the national news keeps saying the economy is recovering, jobs are being created, and unemployment is declining. Guess what the unemployment number is declining because people have used their entitlements and have not found a job therefore they fall off the employment numbers. With that being said stick to your guns and drive for success.

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Feb 5 at 2015 6:06 PM

Cpl Jeff N. — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 18:06:49 -0500

If you want to make serious money in the private sector, sales, marketing, business development etc are the places to be unless you have a very specific, highly sought after skill. You will need to gain experience and a track record to advance but you can make a pretty good path for yourself if you can find a company with something to sell, move into sales management and into the organizations leadership roles.

Working for the government is more secure but you may not make as much as you think you are worth. There is some give and take for sure.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Feb 6 at 2015 9:38 AM

SGM Erik Marquez — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 09:38:03 -0500

The number one road block I found for me at a meaningful, worthwhile job after retiring 1 JAN 2014, was location, location, location. There were jobs, but they required moving, and or lots of travel as part of the job.
BOTH reasons I had enough of Military life and said good bye. So both limiting factors on job availability.
I now work as a sub contractor for three companies and expanded my small side business to a slightly larger small business. Im happy, no loss of any one income stream will effect my daily life and only marginally effect disposable income. So for me diversification in the jobs I choose, all of which I truly enjoy doing worked out.
So Marquez racing
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Marquez-Racing/ [login to see] 83162
And teaching other to ride is my meaningful past time

Marquez Racing

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Feb 17 at 2015 7:18 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:18:15 -0500

Hang tough sister. Welcome to the unemployed OIF/OEF veterans club. Remember, the economy is great and there are billions spent on lip service to say how the unemployment rate is decreasing for us, so we have that going for us. (lol) I have put in over 500 applications in multiple capacities and believe I have qualifications that are extremely needed by those like us, but always get told I am not the best qualified. I don't mind losing out to people who will bring more to offer our veterans, but I don't believe that is always the case. The one job offer I was given was thru the good old boy system and I was called direct BEFORE the job was even posted to USAjobs. That tells me the old ways of operating are still thriving. I strongly suggest that you take your resume to any of RallyPoint's civilian recruiters and seeing if they will give you input. We get used to writing NCOERs and military jargon and the longer we stayed in, the longer it will take for us to make sense to civilians. Keepus in the loop and sound off when you land your dream job and especially the tools that you used to get noticed. We need all the help we can get.

Response by Cpl Brett Wagner made Feb 17 at 2015 7:28 PM

Cpl Brett Wagner — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:28:47 -0500

Cpl Sheryl Verhulst - I think it might be the old location, location, location. I'm sure if you were in the D.C. area you would have more offers than you want. Another member mentioned sales I know with your two degrees in psychology you would be great in sales. Everyone I know in sales lives a really nice life. Most sales people I know are in IT. Wish you good fortune and I think you will be successful now decide what success is for you.

Response by SGT Mark Sullivan made Feb 17 at 2015 7:41 PM

SGT Mark Sullivan — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:41:06 -0500

I have found it really depends on the area. I lived in the Hampton Roads Tidewater area of South East Virginia, no problems finding work. Numerous military contractors, and bases to work on, as there are 10 military installations within a 50 mile radius. After 20 years of living and working within the IT community, I moved back to the St Louis area, which, is my home of record. Heard all of the hype about St Louis being an upcoming leader in the IT field. Have been unable to find work, even manual labor jobs. Started applying at places like Charter, AT&T, etc... nothing, zero, zilch. Did have a few interviews, where I was asked directly "with your experience and background, why aren't you working?" I eventually took up with VA, got my Voc Rehab Benefit active, and I am currently in school for my Bachelors of Science degree. I plan on moving back to Virginia once I have my Bachelor's Degree, I already have an Associates. I feel my time here has been a waste, and I refuse to waste my talents on company's that won't look twice at someone who has an associates and 20+ years experience.

Response by SFC Francisco Roman made Feb 17 at 2015 7:41 PM

SFC Francisco Roman — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:41:28 -0500

To all military personnel that are looking for a new career, I personally speak from experience. There are only 3 career that I would recommend, correction officer, any police agency for any county's last or not less parole official. This jobs are in demand all over the United States Of America. Good luck to all and may God bless our country.

Response by MSG Scott McBride made Feb 17 at 2015 7:43 PM

MSG Scott McBride — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:43:28 -0500

Well, depending on your field it could be harder. I retired with over 20 years Army acquisitions and logistics background and a BSBA degree, after 30 resume submissions (started a year out) I finally landed my dream job just after my terminal leave ended. It was a painful process for me, that's counting the countless interviews, but worth it, All these veterans hiring websites are no different than monster or career builder in my opinion. In some cases they are complete garbage. Be sure to use the ACAP workshops and be patient. Good luck you! Army strong!

Response by CPT Scott Fussell made Feb 17 at 2015 9:45 PM

CPT Scott Fussell — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:45:43 -0500

Sheryl Verhulst If you are not finding the opportunities, I would say go out and make your own. Your background is Psychology and Financial Planning, so why not start writing about the intersection of the two of them? Maybe even include the veteran part of your background....The psychology behind financial planning for veterans...something like that. If you are not on LinkedIn, sign up, join some of the groups and start writing. Sign up for a Tumblr blog or Medium or spend a couple of dollars (less than $10 a month, I spend about $6 a month) and create your own site. Start writing. Sign up for Twitter. Start writing, sharing and connecting. Connect with veterans and civilians who write on the topic. Send them an email. Give them a call. You would be surprised at how many people are willing to jump on the phone and share what they know. I can take a little time, but eventually you could become the go to person for "the psychology behind veterans and financial planning" or any other topic you decide on. It is amazing what kind of doors would open to you. You said you are currently employed, so the only thing it costs you is time. At a bare minimum, you will learn another skill. I did a similar thing with CommandYourBusiness.com . My two cents... let me know if I can help

Response by MAJ(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2015 8:51 PM

MAJ(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:51:22 -0500

First of all you have a very impressive resume! Secondly I'm running into the same thing. Have you tried talking with Lucas Group or Bradley Morris. Those are headhunters that work exclusively with military.

http://www.bradley-morris.com/index.htm

http://www.lucasgroup.com/#kL3W027Xw0KDsTs3.97

Any luck with USAJobs?

https://www.usajobs.gov/

Additionally a buddy of mine applied with DEA, FBI and ICE. That was two years ago and they're just now getting back to him. And of course now they're delaying the next step again due to budget constraints.

Have you considered law enforcement? Or Emergency Management at the local or State level. Police departments are almost always hiring and it looks good on your resume that you have that "grunt level" experience.

Good luck

Military Job Placement - Bradley-Morris, Inc. (BMI)

Bradley-Morris provides military job placement services to those undergoing military separation.

Response by MAJ(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 19 at 2015 3:29 PM

MAJ(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:29:24 -0500

It's never easy. Like the rest say, hang in there. If you're in FL, the job market is a roller coaster. However, it's potentially prosperous. Take on something now just to get you by until the job you love is available. Easier said than done, I know.

Response by SFC Donald LeBlanc made Feb 19 at 2015 3:42 PM

SFC Donald LeBlanc — Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:42:17 -0500

Hang in there! First off, from reading your post - I have to say CUDOS for continuing your education and Thank You for your Service as well. Secondly, I see that your education demonstrates that you are well equipped for something in Human Resources / Medical /Social Services considering you have 2 Psychology degrees. What I didn't gather from your information is "What exactly are your career goals?"; "What 'type' of job do you see yourself doing?". If you answer those questions, then you should utilize the experiences you have from your military career, education and life experience to showcase your skills and benefit to the potential employer. I don't know what type of resume you've been using, but usually one that showcases you in the best light (from my experience) is a Resume based on Career Overview, Skill Sets, Qualifications and additional skills that you bring to the table. This type of resume -verses the chronological resume will give the recruiter/hiring manager the picture you are attempting to portray. It is a 1-2 page MAX resume. So careful planning should go into this.

Also, You mentioned that you wanted to work for the Government, however you didn't specify the capacity. Volunteering is a GREAT start - especially at the VA (if you can get in) or like has been mentioned in previous comments - The "Networking" of people you know. This really does work and I am sorry to say is a primary way people get hired.

Don't give up, stay motivated and keep trying. I filled out literally HUNDREDS of applications until I found the fit for me. If you still can't find anything - the airline industry needs you! :D Good luck!!!

Response by SFC Dennis Yancy made Feb 20 at 2015 6:06 PM

SFC Dennis Yancy — Fri, 20 Feb 2015 18:06:53 -0500

I found it harder to get a job. Seemed most of time I was more qualified for position than guy interviewing me. Everyone says they want to hire vets until you apply for job.

Response by SFC Francisco Roman made Feb 21 at 2015 12:01 AM

SFC Francisco Roman — Sat, 21 Feb 2015 00:01:36 -0500

Your time is valuable so don't waste it at home, go to the Federal Building and they're have plenty of applications for jobs for companies that hire veteran, give it a try and you will see. JUST remember it is not going to come to you if you stay at home. I guarantee that you will find a good job. Good luck.

Response by SPC David Shaffer made Feb 24 at 2015 8:59 AM

SPC David Shaffer — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:59:37 -0500

One big aspect that most forget is networking. You don't meet the people who have the jobs, then someone else (usually less qualified) who is a people person, and knows how to market themselves will usually get the job. Even if there are no jobs available, there is usually someone that can make it happen.

Response by Sheryl Verhulst made Apr 2 at 2015 10:26 AM

Sheryl Verhulst — Thu, 02 Apr 2015 10:26:17 -0400

Thank you everyone for your responses. Because of your advice, I started landing interviews for the different government jobs I have applied for. I actually have 2 job offers on the table now, which I am trying to weigh. One is for the State's Department of Education Voc Rehab tech position and the other is actually for another NPO but with a sizable pay increase.

Thank you again for your guidance in both this chain, and the other one I started about presenting myself to prospective employers

Response by SFC Lionel Bligen made Apr 15 at 2015 1:07 PM

SFC Lionel Bligen — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 13:07:56 -0400

If Business Finance is what your looking for and you don't mind relocating see what's available with Robert Half Finance & Accounting Firm they are always looking for people, or the Pace Center for Girls in Miami or as an intake specialist in Lee County with the 20th Judicial Courts of Florida. Also submit your resume to indeed.com

intake specialist
SUMMARY
This is a paraprofessional and highly responsible intake position within the Family Court's self-help program. The Intake Specialist is responsible for providing procedural information, legal forms and hands on assistance to self-represented litigants. This position is required to conduct interviews and assist with the preparation, completion, and notarization of family court documents. The Intake Specialist position is responsible for performing case screenings, case intake and case coordination for family law cases. Work involves the use of unified family court practices and differentiated case management techniques to promote case progression and disposition. The Intake Specialist position is required to handle a high volume of public and professional inquiries, manage intake appointments, schedule case events and use a multi-line telephone system. Work is performed under the supervision of the Family Court Director and Program Coordinator.

The core functions of this position are: 1) Assist self-represented litigants 2) Perform case screenings, intake, and case coordination, 3) Provide customer service, 4) Provide clerical and administrative support, 5) Other duties as assigned.

Examples of Duties:

ESSENTIAL DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES: The following duties are normal for this position. The omission of specific statements of the duties does not exclude them from the classification if the work is similar, related, or a logical assignment for this classification.

1) Assist self-represented litigants:
• Interview litigants and assist with the completion of family law forms
• Prepare summary reports, verify case related information, and schedule hearings
• Notarize documents and paperwork
• Schedule, manage, and maintain intake appointments
• Assist litigants and walk-ins in a neutral and discrete manner
• Provide customer assistance and maintain confidential information
• Provide general information on court programs and community resources

2) Perform case screenings, intake, and case coordination:
• Perform case and party research
• Compile court information and prepare reports
• Conduct in-person interviews with self-represented litigants
• Identify differentiated case tracks and calendar case management conferences
• Provide initial case plans using differentiated case management timelines
• Identify cross-over cases appropriate for unified family court

3) Provide customer service:
• Perform front desk customer service responsibilities
• Assist walk-in litigants and attorneys
• Answer a multi-line telephone and assist a high volume of public and professional inquiries
• Bi-lingual employees will assist Spanish speaking clients

4) Provide clerical and administrative support:
• Perform data entry
• Compile statistics and prepare performance reports
• Prepare and disseminate mail
• Fax, file, scan, and copy documents
• Deliver and receive court files

5) Other Duties as Assigned
• Travel to meetings and conferences as needed
• Additional duties as assigned

Typical Qualifications:

QUALIFICATIONS
To perform in this position successfully, an individual must be able to perform the essential duties and responsibilities satisfactorily. The requirements listed in this document are representative of the knowledge, skills, and ability required. Reasonable accommodations may be made to enable individuals with disabilities to perform the essential functions.

Knowledge of:
• Methods, practices, principles, procedures, and techniques used in interviewing litigants as it pertains to the operation of the department
• Local, state, and federal guidelines, rules, regulations, and statutes as they pertain to family court cases
• Basic structure of the Courts and Criminal Justice System
• Computer applications, including but not limited to: Odyssey, Power Point, Microsoft Word, and Excel

Ability to:
• Work well under pressure, multi-task, and meet established timelines and goals
• Deal effectively and professionally in stressful situation and with a high volume of public and professional inquiries
• Exhibit sound judgment and use discretion
• Maintain Notary Public certification
• Work after hours when needed
• Compile information and compose summary reports
• Communicate thoughts and ideas effectively
• Effectively interpret general policy, criteria, and procedures for specific situations
• Follow written and oral instructions and procedures
• Develop good working relationships with local law enforcement, judges, attorneys, governmental agencies, court personnel, and community resources
• Type 40 cwpm

Supplemental Information:

EDUCATION and/or EXPERIENCE
Graduation from a high school or a GED. An Associates' degree or (60 hours of credit earned toward a bachelors degree) from an accredited college or university in a related field such as Psychology, Sociology, Criminal Justice or Law.

One year of paraprofessional experience in a criminal justice system or related field. (Combination of equivalent education beyond high school and experience may be considered to meet the educational requirements.)

CERTIFICATES, LICENSES, REGISTRATIONS
Notary Public (Ability to serve within 30 days of hire)

SUPERVISORY RESPONSIBILITIES
None

Response by SFC Lionel Bligen made Apr 15 at 2015 1:13 PM

SFC Lionel Bligen — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 13:13:35 -0400

Hello I know looking for work can be challenging, but if Finance is what you want to do and you don't mind relocating look up Robert Half Finance and Accounting Firm they always have positions available, also search Indeed.com below is a position for a intake specialist. I hope these help.

SUMMARY
This is a paraprofessional and highly responsible intake position within the Family Court's self-help program. The Intake Specialist is responsible for providing procedural information, legal forms and hands on assistance to self-represented litigants. This position is required to conduct interviews and assist with the preparation, completion, and notarization of family court documents. The Intake Specialist position is responsible for performing case screenings, case intake and case coordination for family law cases. Work involves the use of unified family court practices and differentiated case management techniques to promote case progression and disposition. The Intake Specialist position is required to handle a high volume of public and professional inquiries, manage intake appointments, schedule case events and use a multi-line telephone system. Work is performed under the supervision of the Family Court Director and Program Coordinator.

The core functions of this position are: 1) Assist self-represented litigants 2) Perform case screenings, intake, and case coordination, 3) Provide customer service, 4) Provide clerical and administrative support, 5) Other duties as assigned.

Examples of Duties:

ESSENTIAL DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES: The following duties are normal for this position. The omission of specific statements of the duties does not exclude them from the classification if the work is similar, related, or a logical assignment for this classification.

1) Assist self-represented litigants:
• Interview litigants and assist with the completion of family law forms
• Prepare summary reports, verify case related information, and schedule hearings
• Notarize documents and paperwork
• Schedule, manage, and maintain intake appointments
• Assist litigants and walk-ins in a neutral and discrete manner
• Provide customer assistance and maintain confidential information
• Provide general information on court programs and community resources

2) Perform case screenings, intake, and case coordination:
• Perform case and party research
• Compile court information and prepare reports
• Conduct in-person interviews with self-represented litigants
• Identify differentiated case tracks and calendar case management conferences
• Provide initial case plans using differentiated case management timelines
• Identify cross-over cases appropriate for unified family court

3) Provide customer service:
• Perform front desk customer service responsibilities
• Assist walk-in litigants and attorneys
• Answer a multi-line telephone and assist a high volume of public and professional inquiries
• Bi-lingual employees will assist Spanish speaking clients

4) Provide clerical and administrative support:
• Perform data entry
• Compile statistics and prepare performance reports
• Prepare and disseminate mail
• Fax, file, scan, and copy documents
• Deliver and receive court files

5) Other Duties as Assigned
• Travel to meetings and conferences as needed
• Additional duties as assigned

Typical Qualifications:

QUALIFICATIONS
To perform in this position successfully, an individual must be able to perform the essential duties and responsibilities satisfactorily. The requirements listed in this document are representative of the knowledge, skills, and ability required. Reasonable accommodations may be made to enable individuals with disabilities to perform the essential functions.

Knowledge of:
• Methods, practices, principles, procedures, and techniques used in interviewing litigants as it pertains to the operation of the department
• Local, state, and federal guidelines, rules, regulations, and statutes as they pertain to family court cases
• Basic structure of the Courts and Criminal Justice System
• Computer applications, including but not limited to: Odyssey, Power Point, Microsoft Word, and Excel

Ability to:
• Work well under pressure, multi-task, and meet established timelines and goals
• Deal effectively and professionally in stressful situation and with a high volume of public and professional inquiries
• Exhibit sound judgment and use discretion
• Maintain Notary Public certification
• Work after hours when needed
• Compile information and compose summary reports
• Communicate thoughts and ideas effectively
• Effectively interpret general policy, criteria, and procedures for specific situations
• Follow written and oral instructions and procedures
• Develop good working relationships with local law enforcement, judges, attorneys, governmental agencies, court personnel, and community resources
• Type 40 cwpm

Supplemental Information:

EDUCATION and/or EXPERIENCE
Graduation from a high school or a GED. An Associates' degree or (60 hours of credit earned toward a bachelors degree) from an accredited college or university in a related field such as Psychology, Sociology, Criminal Justice or Law.

One year of paraprofessional experience in a criminal justice system or related field. (Combination of equivalent education beyond high school and experience may be considered to meet the educational requirements.)

CERTIFICATES, LICENSES, REGISTRATIONS
Notary Public (Ability to serve within 30 days of hire)

SUPERVISORY RESPONSIBILITIES
None

Response by SGM Wayne Barnes made Apr 15 at 2015 1:53 PM

SGM Wayne Barnes — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 13:53:31 -0400

if you have a security clearence. set up a profile on militaryhire.com

Response by SPC Dennis Baker made Apr 15 at 2015 3:54 PM

SPC Dennis Baker — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 15:54:23 -0400

The market is pretty tough.

Response by LTC Gail Daras made Apr 15 at 2015 4:24 PM

LTC Gail Daras — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 16:24:55 -0400

I have a friend who works at a community college and she confided in me that psychology degrees were not easy for young people to find work. Her own cousin who had a four year degree in psychology was doing something else, it seems you need a masters degree in that field. So I think it is good that you are getting a degree in business management and financial investment and planning. I would love to go back to school as well but I have chosen to give my four kids my post 9/11 GI bill benefits. One is a sophomore right now at American University where it is $50K a year. He refused to consider ROTC even though he is quite capable. Have you created a profile on Linked In yet? I am starting to get some traction on there and tomorrow I have an interview with a contractor for a position at Fort Meade. Also if you have a clearance create a profile on Clearance Jobs.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 16 at 2015 10:17 AM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 10:17:57 -0400

Determine your prioritizes and nuances of various careers. Decide what is most important: The job market for particular jobs, how much education you will need, what is interesting, and pays the best. Put them on a sheet of paper and you can start comparing.

Response by SrA Joshua Hagler made Apr 16 at 2015 8:56 PM

SrA Joshua Hagler — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 20:56:35 -0400

I would like advice, I do not trust almost any private/public businesses. Mostly from my family"s experience with the "private" sector. From what I have seen while in the military and out is that civilian jobs and career come and go like the tides.

Response by MSgt William Valvo made Apr 16 at 2015 11:56 PM

MSgt William Valvo — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 23:56:47 -0400

Sheryl,

The job market is very tough right now and the best advice you can receive is to keep getting your resume out there. Most installations will have a free service to help tighten up your resume depending on if you are going civilian or government, I strongly recommend checking this out.

USAJOBS.gov is a great resource for federal jobs currently on offer. Your best bet on these positions though it to make sure you are in the local area of the position you want. I am not saying to not apply for others, but being local is a check box for many of them as they prefer not to pay relocation expenses for new hires and they want a quick start when the finally do hire.

Note that for government work you may have to do the foot in the door scenario. If you see a job that is at least near to what you would like to do try to land that. Once in the system it is far easier to move around than trying to get in from the outside.

Lastly, I hope your installation offered/required some form of Transition Assistance Program (TAP) when you separated. I am sorry to say that it takes a lot longer today to find a job and get hired in todays work force than it used to and a TAP class would provide you with numerous resources to assist you with finding and securing a new position. Even after I was told I was hired it took several months before all the paperwork was completed and I was actually back to work.

Good luck and keep your head up, it takes time but you will come out on top in the end.

Response by SFC Lionel Bligen made Apr 20 at 2015 7:10 AM

SFC Lionel Bligen — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 07:10:10 -0400

Good morning, CPL. Verhulst, I received a couple of job notices please check out careers.tasc.com they have government contacting positions maybe they have what you're looking for. Good luck

SFC (ret.) Lionel Bligen

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 20 at 2015 2:58 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:58:20 -0400

This might make it methodical and logical. Start on a piece of paper what is most important criteria of job is with topics like: Interest, pay, location, benefits, education.

On the left lets say you have 5 companies, list them on the left and compare each company to the criteria at the top 1-5. Add up the columns and it often confirms what you feel but don't know.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Jun 29 at 2015 3:02 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Mon, 29 Jun 2015 15:02:04 -0400

CPL, first do you have a Masters in Psychology? That's the degree that opens doors for you at the VA, have you looked at opportunities there, and used any type of hiring preferences? Also have you tried volunteering any place you are interested in working? This gets you noticed and when the time comes it gives you a leg up on your competition. Also the Feds look at it as real world experience. When applying for positions in USA Jobs pay special attention to the Knowledge Skills and Abilities (KSA's) portion of the application. It is are crucial that you bend your resume to the questions, as often for many agencies you resume go through a computer before it is ever seen by human eyes. If you miss key words you may miss the next level.

Response by CSM James Winslow made Apr 5 at 2016 8:07 AM

CSM James Winslow — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 08:07:53 -0400

Depends on what you want to do. If you want to work for the Army, with your experience you could start with the Behavioral health centers or with ACS as a financial counselor. I would, if I were you, try to get my Masters (I did) while on active duty and use TA to pay for it. Otherwise, network. Get to know those in your career fields near the area you want to work, join professional organizations there, etc... Be prepared to move to establish yourself. My Dad always told me that having a job should not stop you from looking for another one. I used the Heck out of USAJobs, they have openings for everything, everywhere. Talk to the Transition Center. They can point you in several directions if you ask the right questions.

Response by MAJ Michael Pauling made Apr 5 at 2016 8:37 AM

MAJ Michael Pauling — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 08:37:52 -0400

you have the degrees but do you have Professional Licensing in the States you wish to apply for work? With a background in Psychology you could probably find work in Social Services easy enough. The fields involving Family Services are always looking for educated Individuals to work in Rehab, family stability, child psychology etc.....It is State/Local Gov't level with Federal Funds.

Response by SSG George Baker made Apr 5 at 2016 9:05 AM

SSG George Baker — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:05:58 -0400

Its harder to become a civilian then it is to be come a soldier . after 15 years active duty and being a Vietnam Veteran i couldn't land a decent job until 4 years later. I was unfit for civilian life.

Response by SFC Jack Bennett made Apr 5 at 2016 9:10 AM

SFC Jack Bennett — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:10:11 -0400

When I retired I had a AA , I went for management jobs because of my skills. I soon learned there is not a Degree for everything so I applied for positions that required higher education. I sold myself during the interview and to get that interview I stressed my management experience, It took time but I got the jobs I wanted . I learned the issues involved in each position I took. I retired in 2010 with a Masters Degree. It takes time

Response by SFC Jack Bennett made Apr 5 at 2016 9:10 AM

SFC Jack Bennett — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:10:49 -0400

Response by SGT Craig Johnston made Apr 5 at 2016 9:19 AM

SGT Craig Johnston — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:19:56 -0400

Cpl Verhulst, after 15 years in the Army, I ETS's back in 1997 and never looked back. I was hired on as a contractor in the telecom world, installing equipment for the phone companies. I received a few raises, but nothing significant. I also found that many civilians didn't have the faith in military people as I was lead to believe. Just as you have experienced, I had head hunters offering me jobs that I didn't want... I didn't let any of this deter me from what I wanted, which was a career with all the opportunity for raises and advancement. A career I could retire from. I continuously sent out resumes, continued turning back the headhunters, reiterating what it was I wanted... Well I finally found it through a headhunter, and I have now been working with AT&T for 18 awesome years. The jobs and careers we want are out there, we just need to be strong, use the tenacity and drive we fine tuned in the military until we get what we want. Stay strong and never give up Sheryl, your career is out there, you just need to be ready for when the opportunity presents itself. Good luck...

Response by PO1 Felix Rivera made Apr 5 at 2016 9:48 AM

PO1 Felix Rivera — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:48:20 -0400

I truly admire your work ethic and to be very honest many others will also see it. The only problem is that even if they do recognize, they fail to act. I separated from the the Coast Guard in 2007 and all the experience and knowledge I accumulated as a Communications/Operations Specialist amounted to squat. In the end my experience got me a job in manufacturing for almost half of what I was earning in the service. I returned to school earned a Bachelors in Business Administration with a concentration in Accounting and currently working on my Masters in Accounting and Financial Management in the hopes of "padding" my curriculum vitae and to this day there is interest but perspective employers/recruiters just don't act. I once was told that there are many employers that are veteran friendly but at the same time was told that many employers saw veterans as broken. I personally believe that is not the case. Just wanted to share my two cents, best of luck.

P.S. If all else fails try setting up your own consulting business. I'm in the process of doing the same. It takes time but I bet it your own business would be more satisfying than working in a 9 to 5 job.

Response by SSgt Robert Townsend made Apr 5 at 2016 9:53 AM

SSgt Robert Townsend — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:53:07 -0400

I am a veteran myself. I got out in '98 from the USAF (long time ago I know). The key to getting a job, and a job you want after you get out, is NETWORKING. Networking, mentoring, internships are keys to finding work once you leave the Service. I am happy to mentor or assist our Veterans transitioning out of the Service.

Response by CDR Jeff Farrar made Apr 5 at 2016 9:53 AM

CDR Jeff Farrar — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:53:39 -0400

You sound perfect for starting with a firm as a para-planner. great balance of the numbers and the people aspects! That would allow you to learn the business without being in "sales". but a caution for you--in the private sector everyone is in sales to some extent! Don't go to work for the govt. take charge of your own life! I love this career you can really help people. there are a lot of jobs specifically for this posted on the CFP Board website ...free to applicants.. feel free to reach out to me if you want [login to see]
http://www.cfp.net/career-center?utm_source=career-center&utm_medium=rotating-banner&utm_content=homepage&utm_campaign=homepage

Career Center

Welcome to CFP Board's Career Center, the destination for those interested in a career as a financial advisor, the CFP certification and job and internship opportunities.

Response by SFC Daniel Root made Apr 5 at 2016 9:53 AM

SFC Daniel Root — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:53:41 -0400

Once I retired from the Army a few years ago, (within the last 2 years), I thought I had a great plan. Started off with a great job, and 9 months later I felt how it was to be laid off. Then I got a job wiith in the VA. It meets the needs of the military part, plus it allows to me pursue other educational outlets. Its a great starting point, and until you get everything figured out. There are a variety of jobs available. And if you are a disabled veteran, there are many opportunities out there. If you need any help, hit me up.

Response by LT Erik Frederick made Apr 5 at 2016 9:58 AM

LT Erik Frederick — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 09:58:39 -0400

Hi Sheryl, it sounds like you've got some great background for a variety of roles. What is your ideal role, i.e, what do you want to do vs. who do you want to get a job with?

Response by SSG Kevin Wells made Apr 5 at 2016 10:04 AM

SSG Kevin Wells — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 10:04:22 -0400

deleted, did not realize how old the thread was

Response by SGT Allison Churchill made Apr 5 at 2016 10:14 AM

SGT Allison Churchill — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 10:14:57 -0400

Have you had any recent assessment tests done recently, to help you narrow down what you actually want to do? Knowing what you don't want to do is a good start, but since you have two degrees in psych (and are they in the same area?) and you're working on the business degree, it might be good to find a career coach or something similar to assess what makes you excited, work-wise.

Response by PO3 James Carter made Apr 5 at 2016 10:23 AM

PO3 James Carter — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 10:23:57 -0400

Since I've been in the civilian world since 95, my observations are that it seems that civilians are very cut throatish and competitive..I've seen friends of mine, mainly veterans, being passed over for promotion because their civilian bosses think that they are out for their jobs..sorry if I seem to be digressing here but to answer your question indirectly, I would try and maintain some form of contact with the military/ government world since as such you would have something in common with most of your other co workers....to try and answer specifics I would try and get hired in through the VA Vic rehab programs..when I was enrolled in the chapter 31 program I saw a lot of counsellors being moved around and was told there weren't enough..it didn't make any sense to me but I was just a small 'dog' in a much bigger world I guess. As some have suggested, you might want to try the private contractor avenue or go to work in the VA proper road in one of the hospitals or clinics. The clinic in Austin from what I have observed is usually always 4-5 counselors short...hope I didn't digress to much, good luck on your future endeavors....

Response by SN John James made Apr 5 at 2016 11:01 AM

SN John James — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 11:01:10 -0400

My being a vet got me a job that turned into a career. I was still in college working on a degree in something else entirely, but it was enough to give me a leg up over the other applicants. I finished school and then went back for another degree that better fit the job that I already had. I would recommend fortifying any IT skills that you have. Very few jobs going forward that are going to be using less technology. Good luck!

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2016 11:03 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 11:03:17 -0400

Curiosity is killing me. What was your original intent when you decided to get multiple degrees in psychology? Based only on what you shared, it sounds like you're having trouble with a career path. After the first degree, why didn't you put the money, time and effort into continuing to get a Masters and then onto a PHD? As a former Headhunter I've met many with degrees that were not very negotiable in the job market because they needed more education in that field to qualify and compete for positions. There are two types of degrees. One is a degree that shows you have the discipline and made an effort to further your knowledge and the other is a degree that an employer desires and needs. The first thing I would think looking at your resume is " Why did you get another degree in an area and not a HIGHER degree. Now you want to get yet another one in a totally different field and start over in the hope that field will give you what you want. I'm not hearing you focusing on anything except "a government job". Your degree falls into the first catagory, not very marketable but shows you're well rounded at this point. Find a job you like doing in a field you like and a salary you can live with for now. THEN once you're in, find out what it would take as far as education to help you further a career path and set some goals to achieve it. I would not bother wasting time and money on another AA, BS/BA that might not be marketable or for that fact "enjoyable and rewarding". Decide on a path FIRST and then set education goals. Oh, one more thing. raises and promotions are no different than they are in the military. You have to stick out among the rest, shine more and be able to convince your management you are better than the rest. A government job may give you "automatic GS promotions and steady raises" just with "time in grade" without much effort if that is what you want. but so does working at a toll booth.

Response by CPT Steve Wolszczak made Apr 5 at 2016 11:06 AM

CPT Steve Wolszczak — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 11:06:17 -0400

The Govt contractor route is one way to go, certainly. I looked at it when i got out but went a different way. The civilian world is a very, very different place than the Military. The days of routine raises or promotions are gone. The civilian world runs on the profit motive, so the job you're doing today provides X amount of 'value added'; if you're in that job for 10 years, doing the same thing, the 'value added' remains the same, so why should get a raise? Yes, experience counts for something, but in the current job market, not much. If Sales is not your forte, then it's very, very hard to command big dollars. If you want regular pay increases, Sales is the place to be. THE CLOSER YOU ARE TO THE REVENUE STREAM OF THE COMPANY, AND THE MORE YOUR JOB DIRECTLY IMPACTS THE REVENUE STREAM OF THE COMPANY, the more you dictate what you are paid through your hard work and results. In any other type of job, your salary is determined by the pool of talent with similar resume's and education who can (in the eyes of HR) replace you. I don't know of many ways around this fact of life. I was an Engineer / Marketer for about 15 yrs of my career and my companies kept trying to push me into Sales. When i finally took a Sales position, for the latter 15 yrs of my civilian life, my earnings more than doubled (as did my stress, and my job satisfaction). By the way, for the first 15 years of my career, I did get raises by moving to where the work was, and taking jobs of increasing responsibility, 3yrs, 7 yrs, 2 yrs, 3 yrs, and 15 yrs with my last company. You can't move just to move, you have to move up to higher level positions, or you will be looked at a job jumper after after a few years. I was in Telecom and some of the shorter term positions were with Start ups which got bought (that was their intent); so that's understood by the HR folks.
If you want to go where you are appreciated, one avenue is Temp'ing or Interning. When you work in those modes, if the company admires your work, they will be reluctant to let you go, and you'll have solid insight on the Company cultural when if/when you receive a more permanent offer from them. I'm not familiar with VocRehab specifically, however, if you want to stay in one place, and rule your income, you might consider training in a 'craft', e.g. Welding. If you have a craft where there is a need, and you get good (high productivity and quality) at it, you will NEVER be out of a job. You might be surprised at the earning potential of certain trades. Volunteering, in your actual expertise, for a non-profit can also be a source of job opportunities. Sometimes, by distinguishing yourself in that realm, other volunteers from Corporate life might recognize your potential and provide a lead on a position (similar to Interning or Temping).
Bottom line, in the Civilian world, you don't get paid for what you 'know', you get paid for what you 'do'. This is why Education seems so much less valuable today than historically, except in technical fields or from very highly regarded institutions.
Good luck in whatever you do.

Response by SGT Stacy Moody made Apr 5 at 2016 12:07 PM

SGT Stacy Moody — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 12:07:05 -0400

Hi, something to look into....a government job working with Active duty or Veterans. The most rewarding job I've ever had has been serving my fellow Veterans working at the VA. The VA NEEDS good worth ethic, goal driven people on its staff lists. ALL government positions are hired thru one spot these days, usajobs.gov. It may or may not be what you are looking for, but from your degrees, Mental Health of your fellow Veterans and helping them to get better, sounds pretty great to me :)

Response by CSM Robert J. "Bob" Parr, RD made Apr 5 at 2016 12:37 PM

CSM Robert J. "Bob" Parr, RD — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 12:37:55 -0400

I would suggest that you get involved with your preferred profession and network. A good place to start would be to join a professional Association. Keep up and you will make it.

Response by SFC Cary Jeffery made Apr 5 at 2016 1:00 PM

SFC Cary Jeffery — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 13:00:30 -0400

Go federal if you want pay to.match experience. Go private if you want to get away from structural environment. Go to college if you have the means. Go to disability services if you know the real story. Just my take since I did them all!

Response by SN Dave Jefferson made Apr 5 at 2016 1:16 PM

SN Dave Jefferson — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 13:16:46 -0400

As one of the 2% of the american populace that has served in uniform in recent years you have one huge advantage over the other 98%. Portable healthcare at the VA. I feel you should consider self-employment. Start your own nestegg for retirement. If you file your taxes as self employed you will still be putting in something to Social Security. Good Luck

Response by TSgt Pennie Snyder made Apr 5 at 2016 1:36 PM

TSgt Pennie Snyder — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 13:36:21 -0400

I worked for an employment agency for 13 years after I retired from the Air Force and we were a veteran friendly organization. That being said I often interviewed people who had multiple degrees but didn't really know what they wanted to do upon retirement. You stated that you have college degrees in Psychology but are currently working on a 3rd degree in Business Management - Financial Investment Planning. Often Business management and Financial Investment require the desire and ability to do sales; when in the civilian world. Civilian jobs often require multi-tasking. Your first step should be to take a personality test like Myers-Briggs or the equivalent to determine what your personality is suited for. The personality tests are often offered by the Family readiness centers on military installations. After that prepare your resume specifically for the jobs that you are applying for; focus on key words/skills in the job posting. Additionally, if you don't have personal contacts when applying for the positions see if there are volunteer positions available in the organization you are wanting to work for; or temporary positions. That will allow you time to establish relationships with the people you want to work. My husband, Jim now works at Barksdale AFB as the Transition Manager in the Airman and Family readiness center. Before learning of and applying for the position he filled in as a temporary employee for the contractor who had the reception job there. He did that for 6 weeks at minimum wage. After the temporary positions ended he volunteered for 2 months. Then the center got a GS-9 temporary over-hire position. He applied and they hired him because they knew his work ethic from the previous positions. He did that for 4 years applying for various temporary over-hires at the same locations. Finally, a permanent position opened, he applied and was selected. Then after 4 years a GS-11 position opened and he was hired for that. The point is he didn't start at the top he worked his way up from temporary to volunteer, back to temporary and finally to permanent hire. It wasn't an easy job but he now has a position he loves and it's in one of his 3 different degree areas. If you are interested in the psychology positions I would highly recommend checking for availability at the VA hospitals. They are always almost always under-staffed and they may be able to help you focus on your continuing education as well.

Response by Maj Jack Seebacher made Apr 5 at 2016 2:58 PM

Maj Jack Seebacher — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 14:58:40 -0400

Psychology May have seemed attractive in your younger years, but when my daughter graduated 30 years ago psych grads needed a phd to even be entrusted to feed the white rats. Even today she hasn't found a "fit" for her expensive education. Unfortunately there are far too many for the existing job market. An advanced degree in business w/o actual job experience puts you in direct competition w/ under grads in the field at thier introductory salaries.
Unless you are extremely lucky or have a rabbi I believe you will have to bite the bullet & accept entry level business job offers. Then after a few years you may have had an opportunity to demonstrate your skills & moved ahead of you current peers.
After 22 years active I had to dumb down my resume to get a mid level civilian job in my field of expertise . My,bs, ms & decades of being the best in the purchasing/contracting field was given little creedance. After 3 years I was in upper management w/ the same major electric utility AFTER demonstrating my on the job skills.
while in upper mgm't i had the opportunity to hire many veterans. most refused to accept the challenge of integrating into a new environment. it was especially hard on the senior muddy boots & aviators who felt thier esteemed military ranks fitted them for managment in the business world.
good hunting.

Response by SGT Ronald Audas made Apr 5 at 2016 3:08 PM

SGT Ronald Audas — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 15:08:52 -0400

Sheryl;Ms.Malkin has given you excellent advice.My son had very much the same qualifications as you.He had a little better chance as he still lives in the FT.Lewis area.Depending on the contractor and contract,the salary may not be ideal.The more exposure you can get to the officers ( who are privy to jobs ) the better. Various organization,VFW and such,are a good contact point.The military is involved in many new projects. Abused spouses ( both ways ),sexual harassment,rape,problems regarding foster children,military fraud,etc....Areas in the past that were left up to the civilian population.The next best approach may be a Rehab Center.Your qualifications would stead you well.Praying for you and wish you well.

Response by SMSgt Lance Goeman made Apr 5 at 2016 7:25 PM

SMSgt Lance Goeman — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 19:25:16 -0400

There are some natural fits for veterans. I landed in manufacturing. The culture is similar and a vet with a great work ethic can do very well.

The Voc Rehab route all depends on your counselor. It comes down to whether you can find meaningful employment with your education and experience without aggrevating your service connected disabilities. You don't know if it's viable until you talk to your local counselor

Response by LTC Wayne Dandridge made Apr 5 at 2016 9:15 PM

LTC Wayne Dandridge — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 21:15:18 -0400

Finding a good job, the job you want in the area you want to work, is almost never easy but you have great credentials and should stand out if you read everything available on how to write a good resume, how to write a good cover letter, how to interview, how to thank people for giving you an interview, how to tailor your resume for every specific job you apply for, how to get letters of recommendation (now) to use to support your job applications, and how to how to clarify for yourself what your goals are. Use MOAA's help, use your VA and State Veterans job assistance officers, use the Military.Com web site by reading everything there about job searching and all the associated tasks. Charleston, SC; Greenville, SC; and Huntsville, AL are good places to look for jobs --those areas are booming. You should consider becoming a teacher, school counselor, or police officer --- if those fields are attractive to you. You will need a masters degree to be a Social Worker and of course a doctorate to become a practicing Psychologist. Good luck to you and thank you for your military service!!!!!! Sincerely, Larry

Response by 1SG Jeffery D Bell made Apr 5 at 2016 10:10 PM

1SG Jeffery D Bell — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 22:10:31 -0400

There are other options that I have found to obtaining a meaningful career. We have the option of finding our own franchise type business so that you don't have to work for anyone else. Always have a plan "B" because you never know what will happen. My part time franchise business is turning into a full time business for me. I will soon be working for me and only me.

Response by TSgt Dave Nugen made Apr 6 at 2016 7:10 AM

TSgt Dave Nugen — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:10:18 -0400

find something that makes you happy, and love to do, and makes money.

Response by SPC Eddy Rojas made Apr 6 at 2016 7:13 AM

SPC Eddy Rojas — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:13:34 -0400

I transitioned a few years ago, and found myself in an entry level position for the career I wanted but ... And this is key.. I always kept an eye out for something better whether it be in the current organization or in another. The entry level position was well below my skill set BUT it was a stepping stone. I think the mistake some make is assuming that we can walk into the civilian world at middle or upper management, we know we can handle it but civilian organizations like to , 1. Promote from within OR 2. See you in action to prove it to them. If you take an entry level position ensure to keep a good attitude and with your education and training you'll be at the level you want in no time ... Private organizations tend to underestimate our determination and strength so we have to prove it to them. Also Don't get bogged down in the entry level position at the most you'll start to rise at worst you can add that paid experience to your résumé. Oh and finally NETWORK!!! It is about what you know and often time ms also about who you know so that they remember you or you can be informed about an opportunity.

Response by PFC Francis Ramseyer made Apr 6 at 2016 7:16 AM

PFC Francis Ramseyer — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:16:52 -0400

Hi, Cpl Sheril Verhulst. All depends what you want : interesting job where Sunday you look forward to Monday, or money. It's a choice, it is always a choice. Life is nice if you make it nice. One thing you must remember, be always neat, fresh and well dressed. I am an old guy, form Switzerland, being in the US Army and now retired in France. When applying for a job it is best to have an eye contact with the one who may hire you and then you must follow up, call every day or so and be very agressive, never let down. Be prepared to move, learn foreigns languages and why not try sales, even you don't like it. It's a good start and from that after few years you can do something you really like. Good luck.
RAMSEYER

Response by Sgt Justin Sloan made Apr 6 at 2016 7:34 AM

Sgt Justin Sloan — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:34:01 -0400

You may already be doing this, but have your been leveraging the veteran network as much as you possibly can? Try finding veterans in roles/ competencies/ government agencies you may want to land, and connect with them here or on LinkedIn. Try to form a bond and see if they'll meet for coffee or chat on the phone. Then, after you've formed a bit of a relationship, ask if they can offer advice on your resume. Even with government, a lot of it is who you know and making sure your resume gets seen.

Response by SFC Ethan Graves made Apr 6 at 2016 8:16 AM

SFC Ethan Graves — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 08:16:40 -0400

1. Make sure your resume is geared towards civilians. NO acronyms. Believe it or not, all our training pertains to something in the civilian sector a few examples (I.E. Combat Life Saver = First Aid, Basic Non-Commissioned Officer Course= Management Lvl 2, Weapons qualification = lvl 1 Small Arms training.) Make sure your resume is understandable to civilians. 2. You should never have the same resume. You should have a general template that you use to target a specific position you are applying for. (I.E. If you are targeting an entry level medical position and you were prior infantry, you don't want to focus your resume on how proficient you are with weapons, you want to mention that you could do a needle chest decompression to relieve tension pneumothorax, Cardio Pulmonary Resuscitation, establish a hep-lock catheter for future Intravenous infusions. The reverse for this would be focusing on weapons training if you were applying for armed security job. Don't worry about if the skills you mention are not exactly what they are looking for. The skills mentioned show that you can learn what is required for the position you are applying for.) 3. Ok, now lets assume you have been called on the phone and passed the initial phone conversation because they read your resume, talked briefly with you on the phone and now comes the office interview. A few things to think about, you have a good skill set or ability to learn or they wouldn't have called you so don't go in all nervous. Be confident, reemphasize your military training that may be similar to what you are applying for and find something in common. Generally, the office interview is just to see how well you would mesh with your potentially future team (Are you team player, do you have passion for what you are applying for, are you punctual, do you have a reliable source of transportation, etc...). So most interviews are in someone's office, look around prior to the official start and see if you can find a common interest. It is amazing how many final interviews go from lets talk about what you can offer this company to a good ol' boy bullshit session. But don't discount the bullshit session. That is what usually what determines your starting pay. Most positions have a range of what they will pay someone. So get likable real quick to get the max of that salary range. Don't be fake likable because that is an act you would have to carry through your term of employment. 4. Once you get hired on, get ready to have some challenges, there are certain terms used in the civilian sector that do not mean the same in the military and the military had a better system for dealing with malingering employees. But get the job first and then worry about #4. Best of luck and I hope all goes well for you.

Response by MSgt John McGowan made Apr 6 at 2016 8:40 AM

MSgt John McGowan — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 08:40:36 -0400

As I understand it jobs are hard to find now. I turned down a couple of job offers because they were dead end jobs. I was going to tech school at the time. A large tire Co came to the area looking for people. I was one of the few hired. You can always think about the trades. A good job as a electrican, plant maintenance, welding or most any of the trades will pay excellent money for your services. So you don't have to have a college degree to make a decent living.

Response by CPT Dennis Stevenson made Apr 6 at 2016 8:44 AM

CPT Dennis Stevenson — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 08:44:44 -0400

Sheryl,
My take on your story is that you're looking in the wrong places for a career.

You may consider, given your psyche background, some form of work in educational or mental health setting. There's lots of people out there (vets and non-vets) with needs that you could help with. In my personal case, I did work in industry for 11 years then got a PhD and taught for 33 years. I found teaching satisfying.

Response by CW4 William (David) Craig made Apr 6 at 2016 8:55 AM

CW4 William (David) Craig — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 08:55:39 -0400

Congratulations on your two degrees first! Major achievement! If I had to do it all over again I would focus on Information Technology and obtain a degree in computer science. The advantage of computer science I feel teach excellent project management skill, logical thought process, and every industry need it these day including the government. Colleges offer a lot of choice of degrees, but not all of them as you are finding out help in getting employment. I worked mainly in the aerospace industry for 26 years and saw the growth of information technology grow 150% especially a product called SAP. Hope this helps.

David

Response by SSG Scott Stai made Apr 6 at 2016 9:14 AM

SSG Scott Stai — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 09:14:02 -0400

I would say your biggest challenge is equating your experience and capabilities to what the job requirements are that you are applying for. In my experience I have been asked to interview for about half the jobs I have submitted a resume for, and been offered a position about 90 percent of the times I have interviewed.

Response by COL Jettaka Gammon made Apr 6 at 2016 9:36 AM

COL Jettaka Gammon — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 09:36:47 -0400

What career field do you want to work in within the government system?

Response by PO2 Stewart Mednick made Apr 6 at 2016 9:45 AM

PO2 Stewart Mednick — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 09:45:59 -0400

Education will get you so far. Experience is what matters most. I have been a contractor and consultant for DOD, VA and state government in technology and healthcare for many years. It took me a while to find my 'groove' but I have and now I am a Senior Business Analyst and there is demand for the profession. I am happy to discuss with anyone interested in finding out more about it. The money is good also.

Response by COL John Hudson made Apr 6 at 2016 10:23 AM

COL John Hudson — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 10:23:34 -0400

Go to USAJOBS.com. You can input an online resume. Every government job available world-wide is shown there. If you select one via the online application process, it automatically attaches that resume and forwards it to the hiring organization. I know this is a difficult choice, but I made a career out of two words - "I'm available." I ended my career earning $216k annually. Ensure you manage your resume so that the first paragraph addresses the specific function/job you are interested in for each offer. Their computers scan for such verbiage to ensure an applicant has appropriate skills before selecting it for review. Promotion can come quickly for those with education and high-value skill-sets. I was hired off the street as a GS-11 and promoted to GS-12 one year later. Don't be so "narrow" concerning specific areas. You'll be surprised how many offers are out there that will readily accept your talent, even though it appears, on face value, your skill-set isn't a 'perfect' fit. Apply for every job you even think you're qualified for and don't be afraid to travel as a lot of them will pay relocation expenses. Good luck !!

Response by SPC Lori Bayard made Apr 6 at 2016 11:01 AM

SPC Lori Bayard — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:01:51 -0400

I am in the same boat. I served for my country, maintained a top secret clearance and can't get hired by the government or a company that has decent promotion opportunities and salaries.

Response by SFC Randall Atchison made Apr 6 at 2016 11:20 AM

SFC Randall Atchison — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:20:14 -0400

Location, location, location! Some areas love veterans and others not so much! When I retired from the Army in the Watertown, NY area, it was better not to mention that you were in the Army recently!

Response by PFC Ricardo Butler made Apr 6 at 2016 12:09 PM

PFC Ricardo Butler — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 12:09:04 -0400

I know you want to work for the government, but why not try starting a entrepreneurial venture (a business) where whatever it is you want to do with the government can be done through a contractual agreement?

Response by SSG Mannix Brooks made Apr 6 at 2016 2:28 PM

SSG Mannix Brooks — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 14:28:20 -0400

If you have 20% or more service connected disability then Voc rehab is an option but Voc rehab as far as when it comes to your education will encourage in state and brick and mortar courses which pay more of a stipend but not enough if you have to still work. The 9/11 GI Bill is geared for brick and mortar and online courses the option for most of us and brick and mortar classes still pay more of a stipend. You are very marketable as a veteran but the mistake a lot of veterans make is falling in love with your hometown or the place you've grown to accept as home. You have to be willing to go where the work is and a happy medium would be to stay where you want to live but commute a little further for suitable employment is there is nothing local. If it is possible avoid getting jobs through staffing agencies unless that is your only option. At larger places there may be several staffed jobs and direct higher jobs doing the same work you do but pay more however crossing over may be a problem if the wording in your contract says no compete between the companies and a waiting period to cross over so watch the small print in contracts other than that wish you the best of luck.

Response by PO2 Gary Baran made Apr 6 at 2016 4:29 PM

PO2 Gary Baran — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 16:29:35 -0400

hang a shingle out front. you have the education use it.

Response by LTC Charles T Dalbec made Apr 6 at 2016 8:55 PM

LTC Charles T Dalbec — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 20:55:21 -0400

Recommend the Veterans Administration thru a PTSD program that you could probably obtain very easy with your background. Do not sell yourself short either. Recommend going to local VA and speak to them face to face. Good luck!!

R
Chuck Dalbec

Response by LTC Charles T Dalbec made Apr 6 at 2016 8:58 PM

LTC Charles T Dalbec — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 20:58:22 -0400

Would also have all of your education and background identified and written down and then take to a professional to complete your military now civilian resume.

Response by MSgt Rodg McElrea made Apr 6 at 2016 11:59 PM

MSgt Rodg McElrea — Wed, 06 Apr 2016 23:59:57 -0400

after I retired from the AF I went to work at Farmers Home Furniture, an employee owned company in Georgia. My military leadership training and mission minded way of thinking more than made up for my lack of retail experience. I have done better for my family than I ever thought possible. The job market is recognizing that military people are more reliable and have a great work ethic. Our company is hiring manager trainees in Florida,Georgia,North and South Carolina,Alabama and Tennessee. There is so much opportunity and as an ESOP you become an owner, it's really great. There is life after the military and its good.

Response by LTC Mark Beattie made Apr 7 at 2016 3:12 PM

LTC Mark Beattie — Thu, 07 Apr 2016 15:12:18 -0400

Since retiring from active duty in 2003, every job I've had was based on a recommendation from someone I knew. It's extremely difficult to get hired simply based on your qualifications, though it does happen. I've made hiring mistakes that impacted everyone, not just me, and now rarely hire someone I'm unable to vet with someone who knows a potential employee first hand. Thus, networking is essential to finding the job you want. Lastly, the interview will make or break you when seeking employment, so practice before you interview, in person or phone; then ask for feedback from whoever works with you.

Response by TSgt Pennie Snyder made Apr 8 at 2016 8:15 AM

TSgt Pennie Snyder — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 08:15:41 -0400

Would love to see an update Sheryl. It's been a year since your original post. Have you found employment yet?

Response by Maj Lee Michaels made Apr 8 at 2016 9:34 AM

Maj Lee Michaels — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 09:34:10 -0400

Therein lies your problem. Degrees in fields such as psychology and marketing are ubiquitous. I’m a VET with a graduate degree in anesthesia. It was NEVER a problem getting a job! It amazes me how many folks go to college, yet don’t research the probably of getting a job upon completion. Go to the library folks. Research career fields before you just pick one. Look at others in that field. Are they happy? Was it easy to land a job? If you think you can just go to college, get good grades and land a fantastic job, news flash that isn’t the way it works. They are not all the same!! US Department of Labor in the past published data on in demand career fields. They also published projections on career fields. I suspect they still do. This is a fantastic place to spend a few hours before dropping 3 or 4 years of your life and lots of money!
My suspect your education in financial planning will pave the way a tad more than the ubiquitous psychology degree. Good luck!!

Response by MAJ Rk Smith made Apr 13 at 2016 1:08 AM

MAJ Rk Smith — Wed, 13 Apr 2016 01:08:23 -0400

If you can define meaningful career, then the research you conduct will give you the answer. There are numerous job postings in all areas. I conducted research and found that between now and 2025 the primary jobs needed by former military members are jobs in the PMI arena. Perhaps you should research that and obtain a position that will enable your leadership and work ethic which will benefit you and the company you work for.

Response by PFC Eugene Piotter made Apr 16 at 2016 11:03 PM

PFC Eugene Piotter — Sat, 16 Apr 2016 23:03:35 -0400

I don't know if they ever filled the positions, but the VA Hospital in Tomah, WI was looking for Psychologists/Psychiatrists and were paying the government max of $240,000 a year because they had 0 on staff. This was summer 2015, so I don't know if those ever got filled.

Response by PO2 Mac Davis made Apr 17 at 2016 8:15 PM

PO2 Mac Davis — Sun, 17 Apr 2016 20:15:29 -0400

I was an Aviation Electricians Mate in the Navy, and separated in San Diego. I had studied electronics extensively in addition to my military tech schools. There were plenty of tech jobs in San Diego and I was hired in a short time. The world is different now. Look at your degrees. I presume you have some sort of a master's in Psychology and are working on a bachelor's in Business Management. It helps to be a spin doctor. You sound like a good fit for "Human" Resources. As for government jobs, the rehab places may not pay a lot, although the satisfaction factor can be high (as well as the frustration factor). You have to evaluate what you want to do and see how well your skills fit it. As a man told CJ Box (the writer), "Figure out what you want to do and go out and do it." Make everything you've done count. And ask yourself why you are getting a Business Management degree and don't want to so business development or sales (selling can pay a lot).

Response by SFC John Trujillo made Apr 18 at 2016 9:19 AM

SFC John Trujillo — Mon, 18 Apr 2016 09:19:41 -0400

Working for the VA with your degree choice seems to be the best answer. What would you like to do? Decide on that first and then craft your short time goals towards that.