Posted on Jan 29, 2019
After going from USAR to Active, should I have been given more time in service and higher grade?
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In February of 2017(my junior year in high school), I signed a Reserves contract with the intentions of going through an ROTC program to commission. The plans were to go to BCT in June of 2017 and AIT in June of 2018 and I went to drill weekends in the mean time. Then, before even shipping to Basic, I decided the Reserves wasn’t for me. So I told my recruiter that my intentions had changed and I wanted to go active. Shortly after, I signed another contract to go active duty. Got what I wanted, went to Basic after graduating high school in June 2018. Now I am an E2 and at my first duty station. Here’s my question. Should I have gotten E2 sooner than I did, given that I had time in service in Reserves? If so, can you cite regulations on this situation and can you give me some advice on how to bring this up to someone and to who? Or should I just ignore it altogether? Things to keep in mind: I didn’t get promoted while in Reserves, I didn’t get promoted until 6 months after the day I left for Basic for active duty, and even though I didn’t go to Basic in Reserves, I got a DD214 so it was official that I was in the Reserves, not just some weirdo future soldier that is there for the hell of it.
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You have DD214? How do you have a DD214 if you never went to Basic? A 214 is for active service.
If you had gone to AIT you would be a qualified prior service soldier and your date of rank would be based off your reserve time. You never went anywhere so you were essentially an entry level separation, or that's what it sounds like. You can't simply change your mind and decide you want to go active once you have been accessed into service.
You should receive credit for your pay entry date for drilling. You are not considered prior service for several reasons. You are similar to a person who enters Delayed Entry Program and drops out before ever shipping to Basic.
You didn't get promoted in the reserves because you were never qualified as a soldier.
Your service started when you shipped off to Basic, not when you drilled.
No, you were not a Future Soldier, but when you became an initial entry discharge, that's essentially what your time amounted to.
The only positive note to come out of it is that your PEBD should be a few months earlier, so when you get your 2 year pay, it will come a few months prior to your 2 year active duty anniversary.
If you had gone to AIT you would be a qualified prior service soldier and your date of rank would be based off your reserve time. You never went anywhere so you were essentially an entry level separation, or that's what it sounds like. You can't simply change your mind and decide you want to go active once you have been accessed into service.
You should receive credit for your pay entry date for drilling. You are not considered prior service for several reasons. You are similar to a person who enters Delayed Entry Program and drops out before ever shipping to Basic.
You didn't get promoted in the reserves because you were never qualified as a soldier.
Your service started when you shipped off to Basic, not when you drilled.
No, you were not a Future Soldier, but when you became an initial entry discharge, that's essentially what your time amounted to.
The only positive note to come out of it is that your PEBD should be a few months earlier, so when you get your 2 year pay, it will come a few months prior to your 2 year active duty anniversary.
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CPT Lawrence Cable his is a weird case. Both NG and USAR are paid members once they drill. As long as they drill, DFAS counts that time toward their PEBD, regardless if they are MOSQ or not.
I'm assuming he's an entry level separation because he said he changed his mind and went active, not that he had to get a conditional release. Because he isn't MOSQ and he had less than 180 days of service, he should be considered an uncharacterized entry level discharge.
I'm assuming he's an entry level separation because he said he changed his mind and went active, not that he had to get a conditional release. Because he isn't MOSQ and he had less than 180 days of service, he should be considered an uncharacterized entry level discharge.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
SFC (Join to see) - I didn't think that the USAR let you drill for pay until after completing BTC, but I have very limited experience on that side of the fence. I do know that Time in Service for National Guard starts the day they sign the contract.
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CPT Lawrence Cable it does start that day, but only if you drill prior to attending Basic. The most common reason for DFAS to kick back a DA 1506 for PEBD correction is failure to provide proof, such as an LES, the member attended drill prior to basic. Otherwise, their PEBD starts when they attend drill.
The specific wording of it is located somewhere deep within the DODFMR 7A under Creditable Service for Pay.
The specific wording of it is located somewhere deep within the DODFMR 7A under Creditable Service for Pay.
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CPT Lawrence Cable - Not sure what they do now but back in 92 when I signed up Jan 4th I attended drill and was paid every month up to my ship date to basic in August as a reservist.
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So it's already been touched on basically. But like SFC Boyd said your TIS would be from the start of when you started drilling. But your DOR would start over once you shipped to boot. Like I tell all my privates now is the time in your life and career to start noticing everything.
"Learn how to lead from the good leaders you will be able to tell who they are, Listen, be squared away, and do your job better than anyone else".
Within no time you will be a specialist with your fancy pants on getting ready to report to a board with Senior Nco's on it wanting to become a sergeant. The time will fly fast.
"Learn how to lead from the good leaders you will be able to tell who they are, Listen, be squared away, and do your job better than anyone else".
Within no time you will be a specialist with your fancy pants on getting ready to report to a board with Senior Nco's on it wanting to become a sergeant. The time will fly fast.
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What you really were was a sponsored future reservist, up until the day you eventually went to BCT. Your days of attendance at the Reserve Base is exactly that.. days of attendance, but they do count as active days and towards promotion. So in a year you attended ho many days? 22days + 2 weeks Summer exercise? In total you have less than 40days in a year served. So no.. you pretty much got your PV2 rank when you were supposed to get it. Reserves doesn't give you extra credit points over straight active.
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