Air Force Msgt to Army Warrant Officer, will 20 years TIS be a problem?

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 13:51:20 -0400

I'm interested in going from the AF to the Army to become a Warrant Officer. The only issue is I hit 20yrs next year, is that a roadblock for my package being accepted when I apply. I'm looking to get the the 352S MOS due to my long experience in intelligence.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Sep 8 at 2015 10:14 PM

Capt Jeff S. — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 22:14:28 -0400

Don't you have to do 10 years as an officer to retire as one? Your age and seniority could very well be an issue. I could be wrong but that was my understanding and things could have changed. Someone in Admin needs to weigh in.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2015 12:04 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Sep 2015 12:04:40 -0400

MSgt Hazel - there was a 49 year old 30 year TIS CSM in my WOCS class back in 2008. I believe the TIS is waiverable, of course depending upon the Army's needs at the time of your packet submission. I certainly wouldn't let it discourage you from applying! We can always use good, dedicated people with your level of experience! Good luck.

Chief Simmons

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2015 4:12 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 09 Sep 2015 16:12:02 -0400

I'm an Intel WO and know that 352S is low density, but also currently short of being full strength. While you're beyond the ideal accession point, I would say you stand a pretty good chance of getting your AFS waiver approved. Check the recruiting website previously posted and, if you still have questions, reach out to the POC listed on there for the field you're seeking. They will be the best resource and help to avoid incorrect answers based on hearsay. The only way to guarantee not getting selected is to never submit a packet. Good luck!

Response by CW5 Thomas McLaughlin made Sep 10 at 2015 12:59 PM

CW5 Thomas McLaughlin — Thu, 10 Sep 2015 12:59:55 -0400

As someone who has participated on several Army Warrant accession boards (I am a retired CW5, 352N) I have to say that you are way past the "regular" accession point (minimum SGT/E5 with <10 years AFS), and asking for a 10-year waver would be unique; getting one would be highly unusual. We generally like to get 10 years of Warrant service from a candidate, and that would put you past the 30-year mark. That said, I'd give it a shot, all they can say is no.
Additionally, there is the issue of your making it through the Warrant Officer Candidate Course (WOCC) at your relatively advanced age - presume you are in your mid-to-late 30's.
Presume that you have looked at the prerequisites (http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/prerequ/
WO352S.shtml) and have met the AF-equivalent course requirements.
On another subject, I suspect that as a AF MSgt with 20 years service, DoD, NSA or AFSS would snap you up as a civilian (GG-11/12) fairly quickly - which is more money.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2015 2:27 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Sep 2015 14:27:55 -0400

One additional note - the Army has Warrant Officer Accessions NCOs, whose sole job/purpose is to assist personnel interested in becoming Warrant Officers put together their packets for submission to the selection board. They quite literally tell you exactly what documents you need to provide, and then put everything together in the right order so that the board doesn't kick it back for any issues. I highly recommend you seek out a WO Accessions NCO who is assigned to your area in order to ensure completeness and correctness. At the very least, contact one of the WO Recruiters below to find out who is close enough to assist you with your packet.

http://www.usarec.army.mil/hq/warrant/

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