ALC Phase 1 seat reservation does that mean I will automatically go to Phase 2 and 3? Need help understanding the phases?

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Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2016 5:46 AM

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Check ATRRS you should find phases listed there by your specific MOS.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2016 6:45 AM

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It ised to be phase 1 was common core stuff that all MOS's went to and then you would phase 2 which was MOS specific. I was tracking they got rid of the phases for SSD. SSD 2 is the common core stuff, you go to the board, then attend ALC before you can pin.

Response by SFC Roberto Garza Jr. made May 14 at 2016 8:13 AM

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Get with your BN schools NCO who can see all of your reservations on ATTRS.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 14 at 2016 8:22 AM

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No, you will not automatically go to Phases 2 and 3. A request for each needs to be submitted.

Response by SGT Ej P. made May 14 at 2016 10:05 AM

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For my CBRN ALC I get reserved for 1 and 2 (depends on MOS on how many Phases you have) but you have to pass both to get 3, so say you don't make 1 for any reason, 2 will automatically be cancelled and vice versa and then seat for 3 will go to somebody else

Response by MSG David Johnson made May 14 at 2016 2:00 PM

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You need to ask your training NCO to answer that question. If you are not already slotted for phases 2 and 3 then you're probably not going back to back phases.

I think we are seeing a lot of questions posted here that need to be addressed at the unit level.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2016 7:47 AM

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Every phase requires its own seat and reservation (from what I have seen thus far). You can look all courses up through ATRRS (just go to the course catalog and do a search) and it may become a little more clear to you. Usually, phase 1 is a distance learning (yes, in addition to the prerequisite SSD), and phases 2 and 3 are the courses at the actual school. Your schools NCO should be able to walk you through all the info you need.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2016 7:49 AM

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Just saw that you went to ATRRS. It is weird that phase 2 does not show. I would talk with your schools NCO. Or... go back to ATRRS and look at the information provided for the course and most courses give a good breakdown of what is what, where to report, what to bring, etc etc... as well as what is needed to progress through each phase.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2016 8:13 AM

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You should automatically be enrolled in all 3. Phase 1 is DL. SSD2 phase 3 and 4 are JBSA. just had an episode where the soldier was enrolled in 2 but not 1 and 3 so make sure it is simultaneously

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2016 8:31 AM

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Each phase are paid separate by your unit. You need to apply to each if they have enough seats and the unit have the funds to send you.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2016 8:33 AM

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No. You have to have a reserved slot in each phase to be guaranteed a seat. If you are in a wait status, you could roll to a reserve if there are cancellations (depends upon how many waits and where you are on the list). Hope that helps.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2016 9:44 AM

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I would talk to your schools NCO. I went to ALC Phase 2 three years before they ever signed me up for Phase 1. Call your branch if you have to and see if they can push the issue.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2016 10:15 AM

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Nope it's not automatic. You have to request a new seat for each class.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2016 10:23 AM

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Your required structured self develop (ssd) will be the equivalent of phase. Each career management field will be slightly different. Phase 1 should be your ssd and phase two should be the actual course. You will need the ssd completed prior to attending phase 2. With the STEP program some NCOESs are already turning away non-promotable sgt's. So make sure you have a reservation on attrs and not a wait status.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2016 11:04 AM

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No, It does not. You'll have to be put in for the follow on phases get "reserved" as well.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2016 1:20 PM

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You are not automatically signed up for phase 2 your training nco has to input you. After you arrive anyone who has not shown up for phase 1 will drop out and you can put you into phase 2 as long as you have orders. But all this depends on the school house. Contact the course manager. Anything 89 related I can assist

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2016 1:42 PM

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Only if your unit Training NCO puts you in for the follow up courses. The Bn will sometimes wait to make a reservation for the follow up courses either due to funding, or no seats are available in the FY your phase 1 is scheduled. Don't stress it, and check back often with your leadership on this issue.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2016 6:13 PM

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If there are multiple phases to a course you need to have your unit unput an ATRRS application for each phase. Sometimes the schoolhouse can "walk you on" to the later phases, but you can't rely on that or expect it. Some people choose to break it up and attend a phase at a time. I would advise anyone to stay and complete each phase back to back.

Depending on your status (Active, Guard, Reserve) you will only be put on orders/DTS for the period of time that you are Reserved for a course.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2016 9:31 PM

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No. Your training NCO will have to submit a packet to the NCOES for a seat.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2016 8:14 AM

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Each phase usually needs to be "reserved" separately. If you do get a quota for subsequent phases you need to be sure to attend or you will be labeled a "no show" which could hurt your chances for future attendance.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 18 at 2016 10:32 AM

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Phase1 is simply about your ability to lead and research information to better support your troops. Phase 2 is MOS specific. It teaches you skills at the 30 level that you will incur at the rank of staff sergeant. Every MOS goes to the same phase 1 ALC. Each course requires a separate reservation.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 19 at 2016 8:42 AM

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No, phase 1 reservation only means you have access to the distance learning portal, get with your training NCO to get a seat reserved for phases 2 & 3. I highly recommend you do both phases back to back.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 19 at 2016 8:44 AM

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No Phase one reservation only give you access to the distance learning portal, get with your training NCO to get seat for phases 2 & 3, I highly recommend you do both phases back to back

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 22 at 2016 2:10 PM

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SGT April Thomas - I want to explain few things and I don't want to sound like I know it all; I currently work at the AMEDD NCO Academy as the Ops NCO and deal a lot with questions like yours and similar. I'm quite certain that you already are familiar with the new STEP model. If not, I strongly recommend that you learn as much as you can for your benefit as well as your Soldiers. HRC is utilizing that model to schedule NCOs for ALC and SLC (and probably for BLC). HRC has a priority list they follow as well as an OML for every MOS and it's based on promotion points for ALC. Find MILPER Message 16-089 to learn more. Most MOSs are similar when it comes to ALC; they have two phases only. There are very few MOSs in Army's inventory that have three phases, and 68CMF is one of those. There's a misunderstanding out there about AMEDD ALC phase 1 Distributed Learning (DL). A lot of Soldiers think that it is either ALC Common Core (CC) which was replaced by SSD2. It is not. AMEDD ALC phase 1 DL is specific to AMEDD. You have to have completed ALC CC or SSD2 in order to be scheduled for AMEDD ALC Phase 1. Most of the time, HRC will schedule you for all 3 phases, which is how it's supposed to happen. However, it there are empty seats, HRC will try to fill those. AMEDD ALC phase 2 is basically common core leadership and MOS immaterial, meaning that you will be in this course with other 68 series NCOs; however, it's not the same as your warfighter ALC. Finally, AMEDD ALC phase 3 is MOS specific technical track. For you as a 68T, you will be in that course with other 68Ts only. What you also have to understand is that not every AMEDD ALC class will have 68Ts attending (that applies to most 68 series). I will assume that HRC scheduled you for phase 1 to possibly have you as a stand-by in case another 68T with phase 2 and 3 reservation is unable to attend (for whatever reason) and you having completed phase 1 already can pick up and go (just my assumption). So my recommendation is that you definitely finish your phase 1 and be ready to attend phase 2 & 3 at a moment's notice.
Also, we just updated AMEDD ALC class dates in ATRRS for FY17 so go on ATRRS and look up the following course numbers: AMEDD ALC phase 2 - 3-68-C45; Animal Care ALC (AMEDD ALC phase 3) - 321-68T30-C45. There's a lot more that I could write but see no reason for it at this time. And if you are still confused, call me in my office at [login to see] . But I hope that this info helps. Good luck and I hope you like Ft. Carson. I miss that place.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2016 9:49 AM

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Most times when you are scheduled for NCOPDS in phases, you will not get a reservation for subsequent phases until you successfully complete phase 1/2 etc. I do not have phases in my courses, but the CBRN and reserve component courses do and I see that they do not get a valid reservation until they pass the phase they are in.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 24 at 2016 11:06 PM

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Yes, depending on MOS and if your MOS is set a frequency or a certain date/time frame during the fiscal year. Your ALC DL class date usually is the same for phase 2&3. Ensure your ALC DL certificate is sent your OMPF, normally it is not sent automatically.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 26 at 2016 2:48 AM

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So, I finally got a clear answer to the propose discussion topic. I hope this helps other SGT(P) and SS's out there. I would like to thank all for participation in this discussion.

SGT Thomas,

ALL AMEDD Soldier are required to complete all three Phases of ALC.

Phase I (DL) (8 Weeks on Line) (once scheduled you have 10 days to get started on the course or placed on academic probation. You will have five addition days after. At the end of the 5th day you are dropped and will receive a "No Show" It will require the first General Officer signature to be rescheduled.
Phase II (3 Weeks resident Fort Sam)
Phase III (MOS dependent 1 plus weeks)

HRC Has an OML for the entire Army. It is broken down by MOS.

Soldier are required to attend ALC Phase I (DL) prior to being enrolled in to Phase II and III. (Some exceptions apply)

The STEP Priorities below:

7. SCHEDULING PRIORITIES:

A. PRIORITY 1: BEGINNING 1 JAN 16, PROMOTABLE SOLDIERS WITH THE HIGHEST PROMOTION POINTS TO SSG WILL BE SCHEDULED FIRST FOR ALC AND SOLDIERS SELECTED FOR SERGEANT FIRST CLASS (CY16 LIST) WITH THE HIGHEST SEQUENCE NUMBER WILL BE SCHEDULED FIRST FOR SLC.

B. PRIORITY 2: ALL PROMOTABLE SOLDIERS IDENTIFIED FOR DEPLOYMENT, SHORT TOUR, OR UNIT ROTATION PRIOR TO THE EVENT; PROVIDED THE SOLDIER WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE BEEN SCHEDULED DURING SUCH DEPLOYMENT, SHORT TOUR OR UNIT ROTATION. IF UNABLE TO DO SO, THEY WILL BE SCHEDULED FOR TRAINING AT THE END OF THEIR STABILIZATION PERIOD OR UPON REASSIGNMENT BASED ON THEIR PROMOTION POINTS OR SEQUENCE NUMBER AND MOS.

C. PRIORITY 3: SOLDIERS IN THE LEGACY BACKLOG DEEMED AT RISK FOR QUALITATIVE MANAGEMENT PROGRAM (QMP) (37 OR MORE MONTHS TIME IN GRADE).

D. PRIORITY 4: SOLDIERS IN THE LEGACY BACKLOG WITH LESS THAN 37 MONTHS TIME IN GRADE AND SOLDIERS IN REGENERATION UNITS.

E. PRIORITY 5: TRAIN AHEAD SOLDIERS (NOT IN A PROMOTABLE STATUS) THAT CAN BE SCHEDULED FOR CLASS THAT DO NOT MEET PRIORITY 1-4 CRITERIA TO ENSURE CLASSES ARE CONDUCTED AT OPTIMIZED CAPACITY. REQUESTS TO TRAIN AHEAD WILL BE SUBMITTED THROUGH THE CHAIN OF COMMAND TO HRC. ONCE THE CHAIN OF COMMAND PROCESSES THE REQUEST, HRC WILL SCHEDULE THE SOLDIER BASED ON AVAILABILITY OF TRAINING SEATS. HRC WILL SCHEDULE SOLDIERS IN MOS’ WITHOUT PROMOTABLES BY DATE OF RANK (DOR).

Question # 1: Does being scheduled for phase 1 automatically enroll a Soldier into phase 2 and 3?
Answer: No not immediately. Usually when I schedule Soldier it for all three Phases at one time. Sometimes I have more Phase I (DL) seat available for scheduling. If a Soldier is close to being selected for a ALC School seat by their total promotion points I will schedule them for an Phase I (DL) only. If the Soldier completes the ALC Phase I (DL) I can then place them in a seat once a Soldier already scheduled falls out of a class.

Question #2: How does a Soldier inquiry if they have been scheduled for only phase 1?
Answer: Go see your BN/BDE school NCO/Rep. They will need to check ATRRS. Soldier who are scheduled get an ATRRS notification alerting them they have been scheduled in their official email. Their 1SG and CSM gets an email at the very same time. This process is auto generated. Must check your official email Daily.

Question #3: How is the OML index take place for 68T's.
Answer: Soldier are listed by the STEP Priorities. The Database is filtered from the highest total promotion points to the lowest total points: Reminder schedule By STEP Priorities:

"EXAMPLE"
RC Remarks SSN NAME GRD PRMSSE PROMPT DOR M/M
SC ALC SCH CLS 167 FY16 xxx-xx-1234 Smith, James A. 05 68T 745 01/01/2012 W/1
____ ________________ xxx-xx-1235 Jones, David B. 05 68T 741 03/01/2010 W/1
FG APFT Failure xxx-xx-1236 Casey, Linda C. 05 68T 737 08/01/2013 W/1
____ ________________ xxx-xx-1237 Britt, Joseph D. 05 68T 720 03/01/2014 W/1
SC ALC SCH CLS 171 FY17 xxx-xx-1238 Richards, Barry E. 05 68T 700 09/01/2009 W/1
____ ________________ xxx-xx-1237 Britt, Joseph F. 05 68T 627 05/11/2015 W/1
FG Weight Control Failure xxx-xx-1238 Casey, Linda G. 05 68T 622 06/01/2012 W/1
____ ________________ xxx-xx-1239 Henry, Mary H. 05 68T 555 02/11/2013 W/1
____ ________________ xxx-xx-1230 YI, James I. 05 68T 014 02/11/2007 W/1
____ ________________ xxx-xx-1231 Samuels, Connie J. 06 68T 02/11/2012 W/1

Question #4: There are some Soldiers who have higher points that are not currently enrolled for phase 3?
Answer: Points matter at the time of scheduling the school seat. Once a Soldier is scheduled they will not be bumped. Sometimes a Soldier has been promotable 2/3 years. They are scheduled when the points allow them to be schedule. Say a newly promotable SGT(P) passes the board has 688 points. That Soldier will not bump anyone out of a seat. They will according to the example above would be 6th on the OML. If I had 3 seats to fill they would get the third seat based on points and availability. When Soldier are Flagged, Deployed, on a DEROS, 1 year short tours(Korea, Egypt), Barred, Temporary profiles, PCSing they are not available for scheduling. Three months after they get to their new duty station they will be scheduled. We will schedule TDY enroute if at all possible.

____ ________________ xxx-xx-1232 Slimmer, Susan K. 05 68T 688 09/15/2015 W/1

Is a Soldier missing their ALC Phase III only?

68T have 71 Soldiers on the HRC OML. 68T only have 12 set in FY16, one class of 12 Soldiers. They graduated on 12/11/2015. FY17 has 10 Seats in three different classes with an average of 3 per class one having 4 seat. I have scheduled the first Class of FY17 with four seats. That means 6 remain. I can only schedule 120 days out from the ALC Phase I (DL) report date. The last two classes are 175 and 179.

I hope this info helps clear it up for you.

Thanks for your support.

Have a great day!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2016 9:07 AM

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If you have a reserved Phase 1 seat but not a Phase 2 then you will not automatically go. You automatically get slotted but not back to back. I would contact the branch schools person to try to get them back to back. If not no worries, Phase 1 is a local course(unless it's changed) Phase 2 is MOS specific and normally done where your AIT was completed.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2018 2:56 PM

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I've completed 31B ALC Common Core, and now need to finish ALC. What phase am I supposed to put in for? My training NCO does not know leaving me with a lot of questions.