Alcohol in the combat zone. Thoughts?

2015-06-25T11:51:06-04:00

So here's a question sure to drive some opinions from all over. Two beers in a combat zone, should it be allowed or no? I know for me personally, and no I'm not an alcoholic, but after a long day at work or busy day doing stressful tasks, I enjoy coming home and cracking a cold one. When I was in Iraq in 08-09 we were allowed to have two beers at our little JSS while watching the Super Bowl. To me it was a nice chance to kick back and take a load off. My thinking is, with all the cases of PTSD coming up, what if we allowed that decompression each night (provided soldiers are not immediately going out on mission), would it potentially lower the stress levels of soldiers knowing no matter how bad the day is that at the end of it they can crack a cold one and chill out a bit? So, should it be allowed or not?

Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Jun 25 at 2015 11:53 AM

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This should be a no brainer.

Response by SGT James Elphick made Jun 25 at 2015 11:55 AM

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I have long thought that we should be able to. At the Air Force base in Manas they were allowed 2 beers a day and there weren't any issues that I am aware of. The reasoning behind it was that it is a cultural faux pas to drink in a Muslim country, hence the no alcohol policy. But I have to agree with you that on base, for soldiers not going out on missions, that 2 beers would be a huge stress reliever

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 11:56 AM

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As much as I love beer. I wouldn't want my judgment or vision impaired under those conditions.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 11:59 AM

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We must obey the local culture and custom of that nation in the combat zone.

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Jun 25 at 2015 12:01 PM

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Unfortunately, I'm going to say "No" to this one because of the mission and General Order 1A. There is a reason that these orders are published and by law we need to adhere to them and follow them. As a leader I made sure that my command followed these right down tot he letter. When they left for their military leave out of Theater they had a chance to enjoy their beverages of choice. Let's not work around the orders or the rules with exceptions here and there. Let's be uniform and maintain the standards that have set. If the Order gets rescinded for whatever reason and a new one takes place that allows uniformity and new set of rules then we follow that one, but until then, unless something has changes we follow the orders. That is just my opinion as a past leader and Commander.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 12:03 PM

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A good decompression from the difficulties soldiers face daily is always a good thing. Under certain circumstances you want your best and brightest sober and fully mission capable. I love a good drink with the team after a long day but there has and always will be occansions where soldiers take things out of hand and that's why there's rules and regs. Without someone telling us our left and right limits of advance we would runaround like chickens with no heads. I'm on the side of two and maybe four drink mins. But still it's up to the soldiers to really not ruin it for others.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 12:10 PM

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This is completely dependent on where you are.

If you at a FOB you don't need to be drinking.

If you are at one of the (no insult meant by this, just trying to differentiate) "R&R" bases then sure. Because they have a defense force in place and you are not an integral part of it.

Just my two cents......but yes a beer does taste really good after a few months of GAC(s) and the long flight to Al Udeid or Manas.

Response by SSG Skylur Britz made Jun 25 at 2015 12:17 PM

2015-06-25T12:17:01-04:00

Only reason I would say no is that someone would abuse it and get their non-drinking friends give them theirs or just outright steal them from the source.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Jun 25 at 2015 12:19 PM

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I go with "no" overall but it isn't a slam dunk. There are also restrictions outside the combat zone i.e. 2 beer/wine limit in Djibouti. Like everything else, any policy needs to be managed and a no alcohol policy is less resource intensive than a some alcohol policy. The US is essentially buying cheap insurance to not have problems associated with alcohol.

That said, there is an alcohol tradition in several of the world's navies. Until recently, beer on the mess decks on Canadian ships was common. They're recently pulled back heavily on that.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 12:20 PM

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My first reaction is to say why not but we all know the one or two people that would find a way to game the system or outright steal and abuse the privilege. They would get caught or someone would do something stupid and a blanket order would kill said privilege.
I would propose that the current policies are sufficient: New Years, Super Bowl, and Xmas with strict 2 beverage control, and at R&R with whatever makes sense.

Response by SFC Lisa Hirst made Jun 25 at 2015 12:30 PM

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I don't think that is a good idea. As mentioned by others there will be that one person that would screw it up. There were some good points the COL is right with the GO 1A which is above all what we follow as well as the customs of the country

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 12:33 PM

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Alcohol impairs judgement and does not belong in a combat zone. Just my opinion.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Jun 25 at 2015 12:42 PM

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While I do not have any statistics on it, didn't seem to be an issue for our military during Vietnam; outside of the cultural differences in the mid-east, which can be a joke, Baghdad comes to mind, the real problem would be the self-adherence to a 2-drink limit. I know in Germany when we went to gunnery, we had the Blackhorse Inn, and we could have 2 beers when we were not on the range the next day, this led to the infamous "first and last, everything in between didn't count" mentality, and we never had a single alcohol related incident.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 12:46 PM

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Yes I think that it's not a problem as long as you are not pulling duty on that day.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 1:00 PM

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I went with no; however, I will agree that it was nice for the superbowl, it would have been nice for new year's too. While it is nice to crack a cold one and relax it's not good for the mission. I happen to be one who likes a cold beer once in a while when I am relaxing, but if you need the beer to relax you most likely have other problems you need to address and the beer will not save you from PTSD.

Response by Jordan Gaudard made Jun 25 at 2015 1:08 PM

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It isn't necessary, so I have to say no. There are also many other associated problems with alcohol. Tensions are already high, people are angry, upset, depressed, etc and alcohol makes all that worse. Even if you say you are limited to 2 beers, that is very hard to enforce and it will be abused. People will sell and buy beers to get what they want. It happens in Qatar, and they are supposed to have cameras all around to control that from happening. It isn't worth the money, go to the gym if you need a relief.

Response by SFC Douglas Duckett made Jun 25 at 2015 1:15 PM

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Alcohol has been in combat since it was discovered and two met. Yet, the wars went on and winners and loser announced. It did not stop anything.

Why not just ban alcohol consumption while in the military for all situations, period. Do not let drinkers enlist or take oaths of office.

I was in Iraq (Ramadi) in 2003-2004, combat actions were there, our duty rotation was there, down time was there. Other than the actual combat patrols and the occasional mortar round, it was military duty. We were Soldiers 24/7/365. We were prohibited from consuming alcohol, but guess what..... And you know what? The combat actions were there, our duty rotation was there, down time was there; it changed nothing. But the senior leaders and political lackeys were happy that they had a policy in place that was sensitive to the "hosting" country.

Still shaking my head over having to be sensitive to an invaded peoples sensitivities.

Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Jun 25 at 2015 1:26 PM

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I don't see a problem with a beer or two in a CONTROLLED ENVIRONMENT only.

Response by MAJ Raúl Rovira made Jun 25 at 2015 1:39 PM

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My answer is, "It depends". In Bosnia-Herzegovina we were allowed 2 beers once a month. The environment and mission is much different than Iraq or Afghanistan. I've observed our European allies consume alcohol in Afghanistan. They do it in moderation.

If it is good for morale and low risk then it may be fine like it was done in the Balkans. Out in a COP where your life depends on being alert (high risk), probably not.

Then there is the CYA factor. I don't think any commander wants to explain to his higher how a soldier did something un-hooah because he/she was under the influence.

Response by SGT William Howell made Jun 25 at 2015 1:39 PM

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So I wrote my response below and the more I wrote the more I confused myself. I would like others opinions. Sorry it is not well thought out. I was just putting down what I thought as I wrote.

Your body and mind have to have time to decompress. You can only stay in condition red so long before you loose control. Having a beer and socializing can help, but so can working out, having a cigar, and reading.

Does that mean drinking in a combat zone is OK? Not sure it is the worst decision we can make. There are medicinal uses for alcohol in stress relief. Can everybody police themselves and be big boys? We all know they can't. So I am torn.

We did not have people killed by the droves in every other war fought by our fathers and grandfathers and those guys were hard drinkers.

Response by SSG John Bacon made Jun 25 at 2015 1:42 PM

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I am going to Say no. But we all know what happens on long deployments behind closed TOCs.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 1:46 PM

2015-06-25T13:46:12-04:00

There is no guarantee that a few drinks would stave off PTSD. I would hate to see those with early stages of PTSD somehow wangling the system and possibly getting more than the hypothetically allotted 2 beers. Whole series of other issues there, methinks.

I truly think that keeping sharp and vigilant is of the utmost importance. Even one beer under specific circumstances can alter ones judgment irrespective of size/weight.

We all just accept that when we are deployed, we don't drink and it sucks. We work out, we get diesel, we come home, we drink and eat, we get fat again. Cycle on. Lol

Response by MSgt John Grollimund made Jun 25 at 2015 1:51 PM

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Combat Zone, FOB, Convoy, anyplace that can be considered "hot" at any time, NO! R&R base, maybe. I just think it would be abused.

Response by SFC Michael D. made Jun 25 at 2015 1:57 PM

2015-06-25T13:57:27-04:00

Gonna have to say no here overall, but I could see it being ok in particular situations. Speaking in generalities, there's too much room for disaster with giving troops booze down range on a constant basis. Occasionally and in a controlled environment is one thing, but handed out cold ones every day...I just see way too many problems arising.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 1:59 PM

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We arrived in theater the weekend of that Super Bowl (in time to see my Steelers win). For every one, such as yourself, that can control their drinking, there are countless others that may not be able to in such an environment.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Jun 25 at 2015 2:00 PM

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Haha, in 08, Btln sent in it's pogs to clean house after one of my guys was found to be drunk in Kuwait on his way for leave. Be was ordered to see attend AA for the days he was stateside, but nixed that, flew back through Ireland where he got drunk again and brought a couple bottles back with him.
A Kiowa pilot, drunk off his butt, crashed on takeoff. MRAP drivers crashing into things because they were intoxicated... No, please let alcohol go free in theater... Y'all sum beaches can go 6, 9, 13, 15, 18 months without a fixing. You pampered cry babies!

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 2:07 PM

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If we can allow it in places like Al Udeid, Korea, and Al Dafrah, I don't know why we wouldn't allow it elsewhere. Our NATO allies also allow it in Afghanistan (or did, until they mostly left).

In a place where you might come under hostile fire, it's probably better to limit it...but an all-out ban seems excessive to me.

The other part of this argument, however, is how much is it worth to have that alcohol shipped in? Are we replacing other, more necessary items? Places like Al Udeid and Al Dafrah, it's easy, because the host nation is already bringing it into the country, and you just have to get it onto the base. In a place where there isn't a market for alcohol to be imported nearby, how do you get it to the various FOBs and COPs?

Response by CMSgt Mark Schubert made Jun 25 at 2015 2:11 PM

2015-06-25T14:11:02-04:00

No reason to change. I've been there - and I just know there was a LOT of NA-Bitburger consumed by this guy!

I think we've proven it's not necessary! I really don't think it has anything to do with PTSD (not having alcohol) nor could it "prevent" PTSD - that's not a good argument for bringing in alcohol in my opinion.

Response by MSgt Stephen Council made Jun 25 at 2015 2:11 PM

2015-06-25T14:11:16-04:00

GO #1 is a crutch for poor leaders. In spite of leaderships supposed "sensitivity" to local culture, there is no country where the local populace doesnt enjoy alcohol no matter what the political correctness police try to tell us.

Response by Maj Mike Sciales made Jun 25 at 2015 2:31 PM

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I was in the USAF in the early 70s. We drank everywhere. Was in the US Army reserves in the mid 80s and we just couldn't drink while "under arms in the field." OK, fair enough. I was an active duty JAG during Desert Storm for the creation of GO-1. It came as a result of not wishing to offend Saudi Muslim fundamentalist sensibilities as we flowed 250,000 never before seen Americans into the center of Islam. (We failed, we offended. We tried our very best.) Commanders loved GO-1 because it reduced disciplinary offenses and so it became "defacto" any where any time. I deployed to Coronet White in 1995 to Cold Lake, Canada and it was in effect. In Canada. A MSgt got an Art 15 for having beer in his tent. In the Middle East in 2000 and beyond USCENTOM declared the entire region dry. I saw plenty of General Officers come to Kuwait and they always visited our bar at the US Embassy. As a bartender and Chairman of the Board of Directors for the AEWA, I refused to serve the CENTCOM Deputy citing GO-1 and he went to a classified phone and had his SJA write up an exception to GO-1 policy. We named the exception after him. So we know the rear echelon will always have their liquor and not care about the troops. Hypocrites. I've been in the region way too long to believe anybody will be offended if our members have 2 beers while deployed to some sh** hole in some Stan. It's perfectly legal to drink in Dubai. Good Muslims accommodate and many consider it a personal choice. Many drink quite openly. For the few troops than cannot handle 2 beers and misbehave, we have the Purple Harpoon and we can punish as needed. I'm convinced the inability of our troops to release stress while deployed is a leading "gateway" to suicides and bad behavior upon return. We tell them "No SEX!" even if they are married. We discourage smoking. They cannot buy a Playboy or Playgirl and jerk off because of the "Honor and Decency in the Military Act." It is no longer 1991. The people who don't like alcohol already hate us but the bulk of folks over there who love us drink! So let's get smart and drop GO-1 as quick as we dropped the Confederate Flag. Move forward not back.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 2:45 PM

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While I love the idea in and of itself, I still have to say no. I don't know how many times that an ice cold beer would have been insanely amazing after a mission in 100+ degree heat, but things in a combat zone can be too unpredictable. I think in controlled situations, maybe, but the sanctions that would need to be imposed would be a logistical nightmare. There would have to be a specific bunker or other safe area designated as a drinking area, constant supervision and a replacement for everyone engaging in drinking. I can count on one hand the number of times any one of these were met in any of my deployments. Then you still have the problems in outlying FOB's and COP's. They are too susceptible to attack and even being overrun. In which case these places would not be allowed to partake, which affects morale.

Response by LTC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 2:50 PM

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We defeated The Axis powers during the most devastating war in modern times without an alcohol policy, I think two to four beers total over a week wouldn't be a big deal. I'm going to Kuwait next month and it's the same policy, only danger I'll face is if the pool has too much chlorine in it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 2:56 PM

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I was at Balad for that 08-09 Super Bowl, Steelers vs Cardinals at 2 AM! I remember the big hullabaloo over the 2 beers per. In 13-14 Afghanistan, there's all the near beer you can drink, even at DFAC and for sale in PX, for a bit. It was great after a long day, if you drank it fast enough, you get a 5 second buzz. Ha ha ha! However, the potential for abuse of that system is out there. I get 2 beers, buddy doesn't drink so I get his 2 beers and then I get another buddy's 2 beers and I'm a 6 pack down after no beer for a long time. I'm not saying this can happen, but that it will, and that's what all higher HQs is worried about happening. It's the few who always ruin it for the many.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 3:06 PM

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2 Beers is fine, but what happens when the 2 Beers of a non drinker end up in the hands of someone who has already consumed the 2 beers of 3 other non drinkers? Open alcohol consumption in a combat environment could also be very dangerous. Most fights in the local clubs involve alcohol, imagine how bad these situations can go south with a loaded M4

Response by 1SG Jason Smith made Jun 25 at 2015 3:14 PM

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Way back in the 80-90s while on border duty in Germany we were allowed 2 beers per night. Soldiers found ways around this restriction just as they would in today's military. I don't think that in a combat environment that alcohol should be allowed. Again I know there are Soldiers that still found ways around this while they are deployed.

Response by 1SG Robert Rush made Jun 25 at 2015 3:20 PM

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We did have beer in Vietnam and it was not a problem. I don't see anything wrong with it if you are not on a mission. I was in Iraq in 2003 and the individuals that did not want the troops to drink were not following their own guidance. I don't believe that the English and Aussie followed the same guidance that we did. I believe that we are all in one military and the regulations should pertain to everyone. It the standing rule says" No alcohol, that means for everyone, no matter the rank.
I had a BN commander that wanted me to confine my company to their barracks and join him and his staff at the O Club. That did not happen. If my fellow soldiers can't drink, then neither will I or any of my NCO's.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 3:41 PM

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No. If your coping mechanism is alcohol you are already under a depression spectrum anyways. Now I enjoy kicking back and drinking as much as the next guy, but your statement made an attempt to connect PTSD diagnoses with the lack of drinking in country. Yes... Deployments are stressful, but drinking isn't the answer to that. Giving someone stressed out, away from family, most likely already dealing with at least mild depression... While carrying a loaded weapon a depressant is irresponsible and dangerous. Alcohol doesn't fight depression or stress. It only allows you to bury it for a bit which is the last thing you should be encouraging them to do as THAT is what often leads to major psychoses from unresolved stressors and issues.

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Jun 25 at 2015 3:47 PM

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That is why they have R&R.If there is a way to get around the limit one would find it. Not no, but hell no. I would rather have someone sober and alive to be able to work out any problem that may arise.

Response by CPT Bill McNeely made Jun 25 at 2015 3:51 PM

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To be frank I think American Generals are way too uptight about alcohol down range.

I was at both British and German bases where it was allowed, no problems.

Response by MAJ Monique Ruiz made Jun 25 at 2015 4:13 PM

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I understand that Soldiers (people in general) let loose with a cold one. I also know that a problem can develop under certain conditions and stresses (either job or back at home). The best way to cope is to experiment with alternate means to self-sooth. Such ability will empower the individual to feel a greater sense of self-control to avoid a potentially escalated and/or difficult conversation/situation. Self-awareness and individual responsibility will set you apart for either being part of the problem or reason for the compromised/successful resolution.

Response by SSG Adam Beyard made Jun 25 at 2015 5:36 PM

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I think it's a good idea not to have alcohol in a combat zone due to the fact that there will always be individuals who find a way to take things overboard. I mean and besides who in their right mind wants alcohol in a combat zone? I know this much I would not want to have to depend on someone who even has the slightest amount of alcohol in their system while in a forefight or whatever. So why complicate things? Focus on your mission amd get back home in one piece. Worry about beer when you get home.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Jun 25 at 2015 6:03 PM

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A cold beer after a mission is ideal, but in Afghanistan two religious leaders one American and the Muslim agreed to No Beers, alcohol. But I was the official tea drinker, green tea, hash leafs, and opium roots; crazy war. I am having a beer now to General Order 1.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 8:30 PM

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So I voted NO to this and here is why. You have that 2 beer rule, and yeah it is for relaxation so on and so forth. Here is what I am looking at, my first deployment we honestly did not have the time for it. The second deployment even worse, when we WERE at the JSS we were on guard, so if for some reason you were ON downtime, you should have been resting and that was that. Of course that did not stop us from getting the occasional Mortar or Rocket attack and even a VBIED. If we had people that were drinking previous then it dulls the senses. Regardless of people's opinions, my counter argument to that would be, "didn't you say that you did it to "relax" a little bit?" This in itself is showing that the alcohol is in fact slowing things down in that body. Then you have those that for one reason or the other find a way around the rule, and before you know it you have problems. It is better to just avoid the problem by not getting IN TO the problem in the first place in my opinion.

Response by SGT Edwin Claudio made Jun 25 at 2015 9:04 PM

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Really, beer? If that's truly on your mind in a "combat zone" then you are either an alcoholic or on a main base. I don't think beer is truly on the mind in the sense of needing one. Now wanting one after a long patrol or right after a TIC is completely understandable. Just grab a Bucklers.

Response by PO3 Ken Jeschonek made Jun 25 at 2015 11:14 PM

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Just a little thought to chew on… Back on the ship if we spent 45 consecutive days at sea we received a ‘Beer Day’. Everyone got two old fashion Movie Theater / Chuck e Cheese coupons/tickets, so we could stand in line and redeem them for two warm Budweiser’s. On an Aircraft Carrier with 3,000+ people, it was surprising to see so many people walking around with 4+ beers. Now think of that on a nightly basis?

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jun 25 at 2015 11:33 PM

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I love beer!!!! I have beer on tap... I have a beer fridge outside by the pool... another beer in a fridge under the bar, beer in the kitchen fridge, and yet another fridge (beer) the garage... But, I still say no. I was in places with the 2 beer limit... and that did not work... The Superbowl, I get. But, every day... No! Yes I know all of our allies (most of them) are drinking off duty. Sorry SFC Private RallyPoint Member

Response by SFC Stephen King made Jun 26 at 2015 6:51 AM

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Having seen people go through the a particular op tempo without alcohol while downrange. It is not a good idea to introduce it while deployed.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jun 26 at 2015 6:58 AM

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Maybe if our society didn't have such a negative view about alcohol and started preaching the virtues of drinking smart rather than "if you have a drink then you're an alcoholic!" like many European countries do, it wouldn't be a problem.

Also, unless you're a total teetotaler, 2 beers aren't going to "cloud your judgement." That is just my opinion though.

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Jun 26 at 2015 7:40 AM

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APO is a wonderful thing.

Response by SFC Jeremy Stocker made Jun 26 at 2015 11:24 AM

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No there is already enough to worry about while in a combat zone, Everyone's head needs to in the game.

Response by SFC Timothy Gallagher made Jun 26 at 2015 12:32 PM

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2 beers turns into more, like whiskey that the locals make. I had soldiers drink in theater and they could not control it. One ended up shooting another soldier while they were playing with a 9mm. There for I have to say let them stick to non alcoholic beverages if they need one that bad. I drink and I suffered through 3 tours without anything.

Response by CSM James Winslow made Jun 26 at 2015 3:37 PM

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With the American Soldier's wonderfully mature and controlled record of dealing with alcohol of any kind I would be forced to say no. There are a couple of other reasons other than the snide (but somehow truthful, if you consider it) and tongue in cheek way I put it. First there is logistics of getting additional tons of liquid beverages to the combat zone (yes, I know, if we want it, AAFES will get it there). But then, because it is rationed, it will have to be controlled. That means guards. Either contracted or Internal (Soldiers). And where there is a controlled Item there has to be accountability. An Old adage says "you can have control or you can have accountability, but never both at the same time". So the Black market will be there also.... And no one likes warm beer, so there is the logistical problem of getting it and keeping it cold. Now, you can say "But what about cokes and ripits and Monsters and such? Those are kept cold". Yes, but there is also another reason. Any high energy situation where you have a bunch of on edge, high energy alpha types who are barely under control without the self-control inhibiting effects of alcohol, you have the potential for an explosive situation. Not to mention that we are all armed. We all know stories of how well an ass chewing, a couple of beers and a loaded weapon go together. Especially where females are involved. I have seen the most squared away Soldiers lose all sense of perspective when confronted by a friendly female after the sixth month or so. You can say "Yeah, not me" all you want, but the leadership of the Military does not base its decisions on the ability of a few to handle their liquor. "But they had it in Viet Nam", you say- But they also had fratricide, rampant drug abuse and, lets face it, more mature Soldiers. Finally, alcohol is a diuretic. Just a salt tablets caused you to retain water (and we stopped taking those in the 70's), alcohol leaches all the water out of your system. Besides, who can stop at just two beers? So drink water, eat right and get enough sleep when deployed- and carry on.

Response by MSgt David Haupt made Jun 27 at 2015 1:41 PM

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As I sit hear and ponder I think back to my deployments as a SF member. I have witnessedll branches (not pointing figures at any specific branch) get in trouble over having alcohol in Combat zones and it makes me think. If these individuals were aloud to have two drinks in a combat zone what would stop them from getting more than those two drinks. When I was in Qatar for my last assignment and was good friends with the SFS (base cops). They would tell me another one bit the dust because they decided to get more than their share. There is no way of controlling it in a Non-combat setting, so how would you control it in a Combat Zone? Not only with bases being either mortared, rocketed, or ground attack how effect would those individuals who had their two be. So now what "sit on the side lines and watch." I say no!

Response by SGT Roger Childs made Jun 27 at 2015 3:52 PM

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I was able to get it even at a JSS in Iraq but it didn't interest me due to the heat there and plus I wanted to be 100 per cent for next mission. But on leave at a rear base sure.

Response by SMSgt James Williams made Jun 29 at 2015 10:15 PM

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As much as I love beer...I'm not too sure if I would want it the places I've been. Not because it would impair judgment, but simply because people are stupid. They push the limits set out for them, and the next thing you know you have a drunk troop driving a forklift or armored vehicle through camp running down tents or B-huts.

That's a little extreme, I know...

Response by CW4 Kelvin Holt made Jul 2 at 2015 12:41 AM

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I think it would be abused and there are enough problems with sexual assaults and other misconduct already, alcohol would make it worse.

Response by LTC Nancy Bodyk (Retired) made Jul 2 at 2015 7:31 AM

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First of all the idea of having a beer to decompress after a hard day concerns me. It could start a bad habit of drinking to decompress and ending up dependent on alcohol.

That being said, alcohol was allowed in Vietnam and previous wars. I see no issue with allowing alcohol with limitations. There will always be that individual who is going to abuse it and find a way around the two drink limit. The two drink limit will have to be enforced to ensure individuals are not getting loaded prior to being on duty. We're all adults and the majority of us can act responsible so stop treating us like children. Those who can't act like an adult should be held accountable. I didn't violate the rule because it wasn't worth risking my career, but I also think the no alcohol policy is one of the dumbest policies we have when people are deployed. Additionally, if there is an MWR location on the base that is the only source the two limit can be enforced. Prohibition didn't work in our Country in the early 1900's and it's not working in the combat zone either.

The current policy is obviously too strict and unrealistic. Individuals are finding ways to violate it whether their family members send it to them in care packages or they make their own alcohol. When I was in Iraq in 2003-2004 there were several individuals caught in my unit for drinking. I believe the General Order also talks about forbidding relationships between enlisted, officers, and warrants and adultery; but there's a lot of that going around in the combat zone as well as in the rear.

Response by SGT Suraj Dave made Jul 2 at 2015 6:10 PM

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No, but its still there. Its not hard to find. When I was a PFC, I knew which soldiers were selling Alcohol. (PNN, Private News Network), not only that, if you paid the terp he would get you whatever you wanted. I never partook, and my second deployment I was an NCO, so none of the shady lower enlisted talked to me. I am highly against drinking in the combat zone. War is a 24/7 job.... and alcohol in the combat zone, even if "regulated" (i.e. medical personnel and QRF don't do it), it could easily become a coping mechanism..... kind of like how most of my platoon was smoking like a pack a day during deployment... (Not me though)

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2015 11:08 AM

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I voted no. It is not that I am opposed to an occasional beer but because I know that "Joe" will abuse it. I too was there in Iraq during 08-09 and I remember the two beers at the Super Bowl (monitored heavily by everyone from Command Sergeant Major down to our Platoon Sergeants). I also know that "some" people were able to get moonshine and other alcoholic beverages by various means. I also know that there were folks that went overboard with their drinking upon our return because they felt they "needed" it. I see the benefit of having a beer to relax but in theater it would cause issues.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2015 9:47 AM

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I voted yes. While deployed I was sent to a British FOB where it was allowed, and there were no issues. I think for some reason we "Americans" make it taboo for no reason. Many other countries allow there men and women to have a drink or to with meals, even in hostile environments.
Some on here wrote about Vietnam and how they did and our didn't have alcohol. If that was the worst they did then great but allot of personnel used other substances. Talking to allot of Vets there was much more than alcohol. Just my two cents.

Response by MSgt Manuel Diaz made Jul 10 at 2015 10:49 PM

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I think it would help, but you always have abusers who go to far but are good troops sober

Response by 1LT William Clardy made Jul 12 at 2015 9:57 AM

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My reasoning is very simple: overall, it would be better to allow combat troops to self-medicate in moderation than to forbid such attempts because the current result of that prohibition seems to be a dramatic increase in the prescribing of psychotropic drugs to alleviate the stress after the troops start to break.

Response by TSgt Thomas Monaghan made Jul 12 at 2015 11:24 AM

2015-07-12T11:24:09-04:00

It's already there as most of us already know so why make our troops hide it.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2015 8:11 PM

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I also enjoyed the two beer occurrence while watching a super bowl while deployed. I would also like to be able to crack a cold one while deployed. However, the reality of the situation in my humble opinion is that this is not a good idea. Leaders have enough challenges to deal with while deployed and the %10 who would abuse this privilege would make it a major struggle.

Response by SSG Donald Mceuen made Jul 13 at 2015 7:46 AM

2015-07-13T07:46:21-04:00

Mixed feelings i came out a alcoholic but i still think a beer every now and then
won't hurt but it can .

Response by MAJ(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2015 9:17 AM

2015-07-13T09:17:07-04:00

I think it should be allowed, but that the beer should be considered a controlled item. It should be accounted for and Soldier consumption should be monitored. The argument for cultural consideration doesn't hold water when you consider the fact that pork chops weren't banned in the DFACs and MKTs scattered around Iraq. While I've met Muslims who would occasionally slip a pork chop, I've met many more who had no problem drinking a beer.
I would be far more worried about Troops abusing alcohol than I would about the cultural considerations. However, leaders can mitigate over-consumption.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Jul 13 at 2015 9:22 AM

2015-07-13T09:22:10-04:00

Alcohol is something that may inhibit one from doing their job properly, especially in an area where we must remain vigilant. Yes there may be some that are working, but in case sh*t hits the fan, all troops should be ready at a moment's notice.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2015 11:40 AM

2015-07-13T11:40:17-04:00

I think that would be awesome I do it would help take a load off and for soldiers to relax their mind

Response by PFC Tuan Trang made Jul 13 at 2015 8:03 PM

2015-07-13T20:03:07-04:00

Acohol in unifom is a big no no, plus in combat zone is a bad idea, I don't want to lose my focus and judgment or feel tire when enemy is near.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2015 8:10 PM

2015-07-13T20:10:13-04:00

Peppered throughout the thred are responses with phrases such as "responsible use", "hold offenders accountable", "adults", "benefits to moderate use". All great points. That said, who is held accountable when the service member who blames the awkward kid in the unit for the death of a brother-in-arms, then over-indulges and takes matters into his own hands? The young service member? Or the leadership? What about the congressman? How bout all the people who voted for the use of alcohol? Save it for the command Holiday party. Combat is the one place to NOT give up your edge. People die that way.

Response by COL Jon Thompson made Jul 13 at 2015 8:41 PM

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I think one of the big issues these days is that officially, Muslims cannot drink alcohol so some of prohibition was to offend our hosts. I know that even during the Super Bowl in 2009, the cans had to be thrown into separate garbage cans so they would not get mixed up with the regular trash. I am reading a book on the Korean war and there it was not prohibited and of course, in Vietnam it was widespread. So I think if there is a way to keep it from getting out of control, I don't see an issue with it.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2015 9:16 PM

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I have to say that it's a good intention but a bad idea. I have seen how certain members of the service choose to conduct them selves. They would find a way to get more than 2 beers. One way is to simply get the guy who doesn't drink to give you his. It would happen one way or another and then you'll have big problems on your hands. I don't think I have to go into detail about what impact a drunk service member would have on the mission in a hostile environment. Just thoughts from a young buck who has seen around the block.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2015 9:16 PM

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Response by 1SG Michael Blount made Jul 27 at 2015 9:26 AM

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Nothing's wrong with two beers

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Aug 11 at 2015 12:28 AM

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It goes not belong. Only because some knucklehead will abuse the privilege and ruin it for all

Response by SSgt Terry P. made Aug 11 at 2015 8:05 AM

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My only experience with alcohol in a combat zone was Vietnam--it was delivered as a ration in most cases --even to some of the isolated forward support bases--beer rations and soda rations small --i was not a beer drinker, so i traded for sodas to other Marines,i never observed the beer consumption having an affect on the performance of any of the Marines,we were young but not stupid.No one wants to get intoxicated in combat.Freedom to chose? when actually defending that freedom,am i the only person that sees something wrong with that?

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Aug 11 at 2015 10:20 AM

2015-08-11T10:20:43-04:00

Of course they should be allowed. Just as long as the soldier isn't impaired. A beer or two never hurt anyone.

Response by SFC Davis Privette made Aug 11 at 2015 11:02 AM

2015-08-11T11:02:02-04:00

While I personally don't drink anymore I would of enjoyed a couple of beers while down range. I have to agree with the General order of no drinking should be enforced I have to agree that it should changed. Rules are rules and should be enforced across the board rank should not allow you special privileges period point blank.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Aug 11 at 2015 12:39 PM

2015-08-11T12:39:51-04:00

Hell yes two beer limit per day, the only reason we had General Order #1, was because we had a religious individual giving orders based on religion and not based on soldiering. Religion is man made to control the masses.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 11 at 2015 1:27 PM

2015-08-11T13:27:22-04:00

No, they have plenty of Non-Alcoholic brands to choose from, so you can have your beer without compromising the mission.

Response by SFC Jeremy Stocker made Aug 12 at 2015 4:43 PM

2015-08-12T16:43:42-04:00

I do not think that drinking should be allowed in a combat zone. Not only are stress and emotional levels higher and everyone is armed but on COP and smaller FOBs there is the danger of being over run. Mortars are also common and if you are have been drink you may or may not react appropriately endangering your self and other. Is the need to have a drink that important to you?

Response by SGT Christopher Churilla made Aug 12 at 2015 4:46 PM

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I say no because I've been in over 10 years and have learned that there are some "creative" Soldiers out there, and if this is allowed I see it being abused. Combat zones are no place to be getting drunk.

Response by SPC George Long made Aug 12 at 2015 6:09 PM

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How do you know that just because your mission is over your opponent is not about to launch his. Do we now believe war is 9-5 mission to mission? What ever happened to 24/7 vigilance.? As an MP in Viet Nam I can assure you there were causalities when none were expected, after the mission was over. 2 beers does not seem like much but if it impairs you at all ask yourself......is it worth the risk? I have great respect and admiration of the young men and women who daily face this risk. Why dilute your abilities> You owe it to yourself and to your men to be at your best whenever needed, before, during and after the mission.

Response by SGT Brandon Phillips made Aug 12 at 2015 8:35 PM

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I like the Idea of an Enlisted Club, NCO Club, and an Officer's Club. The bar is run by the respective members and overseen by commanders. My plan would have commanders set a policy on limits (I.E. Two Beers etc) and the drinks were consumed on the premises. You would have a place to socialize, unwind, and vent to your peers while deployed. Of course, this is at the commander's discretion. This might be a good thing back at a large base, but not a good idea at some tiny OP in the mountains.

Response by Cpl Dennis F. made Aug 13 at 2015 12:57 PM

2015-08-13T12:57:12-04:00

The stories I could tell, if I have not already.
As it is we control entirely too much of life with endless rules and regs making it hardly worth the living. Yeah there could be some bad things happen, but there is more to living than watching for everything that could go wrong. Do we want our lives to be that bland?

Response by PO1 Shahida Marmol made Aug 13 at 2015 9:41 PM

2015-08-13T21:41:53-04:00

you never know what could happen and soldiers need to be ready for anything.

Response by SN Greg Wright made Aug 13 at 2015 11:31 PM

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SFC Private RallyPoint Member The Navy used to allow one beer on extended deployments. One beer for the WHOLE deployment. I don't know if they still do that tradition. As for in theater...I don't think that's a good idea.

I do, however, wish they'd revert the drinking age on base to 18, like it was when I first went it. As the saying goes, if you're old enough to die for your country, you're old enough to have a drink.

Response by SN Greg Wright made Aug 13 at 2015 11:36 PM

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SFC Private RallyPoint Member As has been stated, there's always someone to ruin it for the rest. Merchant Marines used to be able to have alcohol on our ships, right up until some asshole drove his tanker onto a reef in Alaska.

Response by SPC Dave St.Andrew made Aug 14 at 2015 1:52 AM

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I don't think it would be a good idea, there are multiple reasons, one being that there is always going to be that 'one" guy or multiple guys that don't adhere to the policy and drink way too much. Secondly, Alcohol thins the blood, would you want to get hit by IDF while your blood is thinner?

Response by SSG Michael Hartsfield made Aug 14 at 2015 7:48 AM

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Personally, I don't think there shouldn't be a ban on alcohol in a combat zone (If anyone has been at a Camp or FOB with any contractors, you know they have it anyway), HOWEVER it should be left to the discretion of the Commanders as they know their troops and the level of maturity they possess.

Response by SFC Mark Bailey made Aug 17 at 2015 10:31 AM

2015-08-17T10:31:23-04:00

In controlled quantities and circumstances I see no issue with this at all.
We saw "huffing", "Spiking IV bags", and "Freezing NA Beers" all the time as young soldiers tried to find a way to unwind. People who had been in Vietnam and saw the alcohol over there but could not translate the basic idea into a modern equivalent.
I think we "missed the boat" (Odierno quote on tattoos) on more than a few morale concerns over there.

Response by MAJ Keira Brennan made Aug 21 at 2015 11:09 AM

2015-08-21T11:09:02-04:00

I have to admit that my partner was sending me hooch and I was making hard cider. Bet my bars (Oak Leaf). I was called up out of an IMA slot (non drilling Reserves) and had a compression fracture in my neck a few years prior. The choice was Vicodin/Vitamin I or some hooch.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2015 2:42 PM

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I don't see a problem with it, it's not like anyone who is out in indian country gets anything in large quantities anyway. Realistically it would end up being one beer per person once a month, at best every two weeks, just like Ripits or Gatorade.

Response by SSG Richard Reilly made Sep 14 at 2015 4:12 PM

2015-09-14T16:12:25-04:00

Not that a combat zone effect the following example this is why I said no.

We had a case where a soldier got so drunk she passed out and was raped by two soldiers. They filmed it and were convicted. So should it be allowed no. In a combat enviroment and a noncombat one there will always be the abuse of it. They got it when it wasn't allowed and over endulged causing the unit mission to be effected during the trial. State side that same mission would be effected but it may not actively cause the loss of Soldiers in direct combat until they miss training for something.
Arguement can be made well they over endulged...well you give a Soldier a inch and they will take a mile.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Sep 14 at 2015 7:37 PM

2015-09-14T19:37:20-04:00

They have taken all the fun out of war: no sex, no alcohol, and no gambling.

Response by CPL Reginald Gebo made Sep 22 at 2015 3:59 PM

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To be honest, I've always found the idea itself a good one, but implementation would be a nightmare. As soldiers still fall under US Law while deployed you would have to face instances of minors in possession, over consumption, possible DUI related offenses, it ends of being more of a problem on a larger scale than anyone initially thinks of. I know its easy to play devils advocate, but it really does feel like it would cause more problems than it would help in the long run.

Response by PO3 Daniel Smith made Oct 1 at 2015 12:46 PM

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The Britts allow it and there seems to be no issue with it. I spent 4 months with them in Um Qasr, Iraq and we had no issues with people getting stupid.

Response by SSG Todd Halverson made Nov 12 at 2015 12:02 PM

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It is really a matter of the concept of everyone is their brothers keeper. You must watch out for the guy to your left and right and ensure you are all doing the right thing. Having a two beer limit in a combat zone is not all that bad. Yes, like always, you will have those who will find ways to break the rules. Then you punish them. During one of my deployments, we had some individuals that obtained alcohol and got drunk. The next morning we took them out in the heat for an extra PT session and worked the alcohol out of their system. Needless to say no one tried sneaking alcohol the rest of the deployment.
There have been select groups that have had alcohol during their deployments, but it has not effected their mission. Soldiers will adapt and adhere to the rules when given a chance.

Response by TSgt Liza Kazee made Nov 13 at 2015 9:44 AM

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No, during my first tour in Afghanistan we had to bring a few folks in to the medial area for treatment due to alcohol use and fighting. Yes they probably had more than two beers, but alcohol at any level isn't smart in a combat zone. The decompression from two beers isn't going to change an individuals experiences in theatre. They may or may not still come home with PTSD, and since they were already using alcohol to decompress from the events that caused the PTSD, they will more than likely continue to do so with larger amounts. On top of that you're mixing alcohol with a lot of differing personalities and emotions, it would be a disaster waiting to happen.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2015 10:39 AM

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I love beer. That being said, when it's time to deploy it's time to deploy. Alcohol has NO place in a combat zone.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2015 6:53 PM

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It would go a long way to helping reduce the stress of the everyday grind during a deployment.

Response by SFC Mark Bailey made Apr 7 at 2016 1:38 PM

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I am all for alcohol in controlled circumstances, with limitations and supervision.

We are old enough to vote, old enough to join the military, old enough to watch our buddies get injured or die in combat.... so we are old enough to decide our fate

Far too many examples of alcohol in a warzone given, but remember...when you outlaw something and make it harder to get...you get more cases of extremes.....bring it back, regulate it, supervise it...and you will get more cases of controlled use by the greater part of the populace.

Stop thinking of the lower enlisted as being stupid or out of control...stop thinking of those younger than you as being people that need to be heavily regulated because they are not to be trusted with alcohol...

We're already trusting them with loaded weapons
We can trust them with something far less dangerous

Response by 1SG Al Brown made Oct 13 at 2016 7:49 AM

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Unfortunately no. The disruptions outweigh the benefit. Every time.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2016 12:58 AM

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If anyone thinks that alcohol isn't already available to our service members down range you are sadly mistaken. The locals know we like to unwind with a drink or two. I'm not promoting full out bars down range. But every other NATO country seems to be able to function in combat. If you continue with general order 1 it just makes it more exciting to drink downrange. If you treat people like adults with expectations put on them you might be surprised at the result. I drank a whole lot less after I turned 21 because there was no excitement to it anymore.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Oct 27 at 2016 5:34 PM

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If GO 1A is rescinded then I am for it. I personally don't see a problem with it. Our allied partners do it and it doesn't seem to affect their operations at all. However, I agree with Col Burroughs...if GO 1A is in effect, don't circumvent or try to work around it at all...period. It is a n order and some thought processes went into it. If it is rescinded then so be it but follow the orders as given or they aren't worth the paper they are written on.

Response by Maj Mike Sciales made May 11 at 2017 12:31 PM

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Before Desert Storm the rule was "no drinking while under arms." Once you put your weapon up, or were pulled from the field you could drink. We had the UCMJ for troops who couldn't handle their liquor and behaved inappropriately. GO-1 was created in 1991, during Desert Storm, to not offend the sensibilities of our Saudi hosts, which was fair enough. After the Storm was over commanders saw a reduction in the amount of misbehavior and decided GO-1 was a great tool for the toolbox and so it spread. I read GO-1 during Bright Star 95 in Egypt and laughed when it said "Egypt is a fundamentalist Muslim country" which is baloney because they brew plenty of beer there and, as anybody who has ever been there will attest, they love a good time because Islam is a piece of, but not controlling, in their daily life and only the old crazy religious nut jobs want to ban alcohol.

In Korea in 1997 in time for Ulchi Focal Lens, some JAGs at headquarters wrote their version so tightly that a soldier assigned to Korea but on leave in the US could be charged with violating GO-1. It was shot down and corrected, but why have GO-1 at all anymore? Instead of providing a troop with a chance to self-medicate, commiserate with comrades and forget the horrors of the day, we criminalize it and have a lot of good troops get jammed up for a reason that simply doesn't make sense. It's as stupid as banning consensual sex among adults (even married couples on a joint deployment) because those troops not getting any would be sad. It's foolish and does nothing to improve morale.

Response by CSM Thomas McGarry made May 11 at 2017 12:38 PM

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Many years ago when stationed in Europe we used to participate in field training exercises with the British, French as well as other Country forces. Many of these forces were allocated a small alcohol allotment (2 beers etc) per day even while in the field, I never heard of any problem and I'm sure if someone had a problem with alcohol they forfeited this privilege.

Response by SSgt Byron Bullets made May 13 at 2017 5:23 PM

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Absolutely. Who couldn't handle two beers? A cold one is just what is needed after a hard day at work.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made May 25 at 2017 5:32 PM

2017-05-25T17:32:35-04:00

Absolutely, After a hard day of blowing stuff up I need a drinky. That's what made Vietnam a better place to hold a war than Iraq or Afghanistan. My vote for the next war is the Caymen Islands, Perhaps we can find all the money that is hidden there

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2017 4:14 AM

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No. We all know it's there and is abused with tight regulation. There would be "con-ex raiding parties" like you've never seen before.

Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made Nov 21 at 2017 4:18 AM

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I have no issues with a beer or three or maybe a cocktail but when you use these recreational beverages to self medicate PTSD or other disorders, you are headed down a very slick slope.

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made Apr 5 at 2018 8:27 PM

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I'm an anachronism when considering this question. During Vietnam, booze of all types was readily available and widely consumed. There was an expectation of individual responsibility and individuals who rendered themselves unfit for duty were appropriately handled; just as individuals who had the opportunity to lie around and get sunburnt to the extent they were unfit for duty were held accountable for that. We also "policed" ourselves. If pilot, crew chief, gunner or copilot rendered themselves incapable of performing, generally an equally qualified individual showed up with some explanation of why they were replacing the originally assigned individual. Since the pilots manned part of the perimeter at some sites, and were often in our bunkers since the lines were continually probed, we all kept that in mind.
The abolition movement was more of a stateside phenomenon where drunk driving was seized upon and emphasis was placed upon stricter limiting of drinking in every part of the culture. Drinking began to decrease as both civilian and military consequences and enforcement increased. Then, in 1991, the Tailhook Convention incidents occurred and overindulgence became a career ender.
As has been said by many others in this string, we all pay for the indiscretions of a few.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Apr 5 at 2018 8:33 PM

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Has anyone ever showed you the blotter? Soldiers shouldn't even have access in garrison, we clearly aren't responsible enough as a group.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Apr 5 at 2018 8:53 PM

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1. Alcohol does not help with PTSD, in fact a big problem is self medicating with alcohol! 2. You really don't need alkies in a combat zone, and believe me they will find a way- we destroyed several stills in GF1, built by our folks. Stress does not build PTSD it aggravates it tho. PTSD is the brain constantly re living trauma. So you set up a canteen, which is crowded with off-duty folks, cracking a cold one- gee what a mortar/rocket target! Add to all this, it will just help the Taliban/ISIS with their propaganda, and inflame the public.

Response by Maj Kim Patterson made Aug 15 at 2019 1:46 AM

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I don't see a problem with moderation. However moderation is difficult to enforce when testosterone runs high. I know because I was tasked to reduce Vietnam fighter pilot drinking to 2 beers at lunch.

Response by SGT Bonnie B. made Aug 15 at 2019 1:58 AM

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I am saying NO- It Could compromise the mission and Cost lives needlessly