Am I supposed to write my own NCOER?

2016-08-23T21:16:23-04:00

I have already typed up my own pcs award and now I'm being told to type up my won NCOER. I am starting to get pissed off at how lazy people in my troop are. I will provide bullet points but for me to type the whole this is absolutely outrageous.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2016 10:15 PM

2016-08-23T22:15:57-04:00

I'm guessing you know you're not "supposed" to. I can not confirm nor deny if I have written my own NCOER before myself. I will say it happens.

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made Aug 23 at 2016 10:32 PM

2016-08-23T22:32:02-04:00

SFC Private RallyPoint Member Let me see if I understand you: you are mad because you have to write your very own evaluation?

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Aug 24 at 2016 9:13 AM

2016-08-24T09:13:24-04:00

No you are not! However, often times when a supervisor does not have good writing skills they coyly ask subordinate leaders to provide input so that they can assess ones opinion of themselves. Bottom line is whether you want to push the issue making them produce documents via more senior leaders. If you yourself believe you are challenged with the sam writing skills there are many examples of strong/appropriate bullets that can be shaped for your own. In the end it is your decision regarding the path you take.

Response by SGT Edward Wilcox made Aug 24 at 2016 9:47 AM

2016-08-24T09:47:04-04:00

No, you are not supposed to write your own NCOER. But, in this age of promoting senior NCOs before training them to be NCOs has left us with a lack of skills, especially writing evaluations and counselings. So, considering that you know your accomplishments more than your rater, see this as an opportunity to give yourself the glowing evaluation you know you deserve.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2016 10:35 AM

2016-08-24T10:35:21-04:00

Most of your NCOER should come from the monthly/qtr counseling sessions, that is where the bullets etc should have been developed.

Response by 1SG Mike Case made Aug 24 at 2016 10:36 AM

2016-08-24T10:36:35-04:00

Are you suppose to? Of course the answer is no, but because of lazy leaders who think they don't have the time to properly counsel their subordinates, they pawn it off of them. Use this as a lesson learned and to not become that lazy type of NCO. Take the time to counsel your Soldiers. Trust me, Soldiers want leaders who are invested in them and their careers.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Aug 24 at 2016 10:50 AM

2016-08-24T10:50:35-04:00

Sometimes you need to write it or edit it. As a small staff corps, we are frequently assigned to jobs where our FITREP is written by a Doc, line type, etc. who have no knowledge of the professional skill set, buzzwords, etc. Other times you have a Det way out there and the Reporting Senior won't know everything you've done. The important thing is, even if you don't write it, is you want to make sure all your good stuff gets into it.

Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2016 1:56 PM

2016-08-24T13:56:35-04:00

Hey Brother- jump on it then. Sad to say you have to make this happen but nothing will get done if you don't take care of yourself when stuff like this happens. If you need help with let someone know. Send me a note of still no luck.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2016 3:05 PM

2016-08-24T15:05:01-04:00

No you aren't supposed to write your own eval. But you are responsible for what is on your support forms. The information on your support forms is geared toward helping the rater create your NCOER. That being said do not ever trust anyone with your career. I usually write up my own and provide supporting documents to my rater and ask them to agree/disagree/change the comments.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2016 4:50 PM

2016-08-24T16:50:47-04:00

no you are not , i dont know how in the first place in the new system.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jun 3 at 2018 7:58 PM

2018-06-03T19:58:25-04:00

Supposed to? No. But be grateful for the opportunity, If your rater is too lazy to do their job, you go ahead and write that thing so it sounds like Audie Murphy should have had to go to YOUR board!

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jun 15 at 2018 7:29 PM

2018-06-15T19:29:19-04:00

The silver lining is, you can say you are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Response by LTC Charles T Dalbec made Feb 6 at 2019 12:14 PM

2019-02-06T12:14:37-05:00

No but you need to provide what you feel are your strengths and weaknesses allowing chain of command to provide accurate comments. Hooah??

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2019 2:10 PM

2019-02-10T14:10:39-05:00

One of my biggest peeves. Many senior leaders feel as if the rated NCO needs to keep up and write it all. A rating isn’t supposed to be a brag list, it’s supposed to be developmental and your overall performance with goals set for you. The sad part is, I’ve only seen NCOERs done correctly maybe twice. It’s an excellent tool for both ends of the NCOER. Unfortunately, it is pawned off and abused into a worthless sheet of facts. The Army promotes too fast not allowing for maturity and experience to develop. Unless this issue is resolved, we’ll continue losing excellent leaders.