Another APFT question. A normally 270 Soldier took APFT this morning, failed by 3 seconds. Should he be able to take it again tomorrow?

SSG Robert Burns — Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:03:24 -0400

So we take the APFT for a week long period. Every morning. This morning the Co CDR encouraged the Soldier (SGT) to try and keep up with him on the run. He burned himself out and then ended up actually failing the run by 3 seconds. We are taking the test again tomorrow for the last day. Should he be allowed to retake the test?
Here's my personal thoughts. If he had passed the test and wanted to take it again tomorrow to do better I don't think there'd be any problem with it. So why should there be a problem with it the other way around? What do y'all think?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2014 11:10 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:10:51 -0400

If we say no, we would be getting stuck on saying he failed, let's put it in his record and embarrass him. If you take a test every month, you get a new score each month. If he takes it the next day and passes, so what? While he shouldn't be that close to the time limit, after 10+ years of war, some people are a little banged up.

As long as no breaks or special treatment is given to him to aid him, passing is passing. I had a PT test that I came within about 15-20 seconds of the limit on the run. I did end up in the ER later that day and don't remember much of anything from the day, but we all have bad days. If anything, passing it the following day shows that he has it in him.

Response by PO2 Michael Campbell made Apr 24 at 2014 11:13 PM

PO2 Michael Campbell — Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:13:21 -0400

SSG Burns,

I myself have failed a PRT due to being under the weather with the Flu. In my opinion, being that I never once have failed a PRT with the exception of that one. I feel, personally of course, that that single PRT failure is a stain on my record, and had I been permitted to retake the PRT again two days later, I would have passed with flying colors. I know the situation is a little different, but I say let him take it again. If you know he normally does better, then what's the risk?

Response by Sgt(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2014 11:16 PM

Sgt(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:16:22 -0400

If he (the Soldier) feels physically capable of performing it again I'd say yes. For me, I would make the opportunity available but ultimately leave it up to him.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2014 11:51 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Apr 2014 23:51:28 -0400

SSG Burns, Although he might pass the test he could also fail and then be discharged from the Army for it. There is a reason that you are supposed to wait the full time until they take another one.

Response by MAJ Bryan Zeski made Apr 25 at 2014 12:37 AM

MAJ Bryan Zeski — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 00:37:17 -0400

Let him take it. If he fails, he gets counted for one failure. If I'm a Commander with any common sense, I would see that initiating a chapter on an otherwise good Soldier because of a poor APFT decision (or two) would be a pointless exercise in "following the letter of the law."

Response by SGM Matthew Quick made Apr 25 at 2014 12:42 AM

SGM Matthew Quick — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 00:42:44 -0400

I don't see why he couldn't take the APFT tomorrow...after being counseled and flagged for failing today's APFT.

Response by CW2(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2014 12:46 AM

CW2(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 00:46:02 -0400

He should be allowed to take it, its his decision and if he's feeling up to it, do what you know your body and rank can handle.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2014 12:57 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 00:57:18 -0400

SSG I hate the phrase you should be ready for a APFT at all times because it is not correct. We are human our body mind all perform differently maybe the soldiers sick or cramped up his/her mind was not right that day. These things do happen and if the soldier is willing to take it again tomorrow I say hell yeah! however that soldier now is being set up for failure, I would suggest giving him a day of rest recover give him time to get his body right, hydrate stretch etc. Then give him another shot and if this is his first time failing questions need to be asked are you okay? hows home? do you need anything from me? etc.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2014 3:00 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 03:00:02 -0400

Was this a diagnostic APFT? Competition? Were any of these APFTs For Record? What does the regulation say how often a Soldier is authorized to be given a Record APFT? Can the Soldier waive the time requirements between For-Record APFTs if he/she understands the consequences; does counseling have to be involved with this APFT waiver? Or are you just performing APFT-style events for PT/PRT?

Response by MSG Cameron Davis made Apr 25 at 2014 3:02 AM

MSG Cameron Davis — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 03:02:59 -0400

As long as regulation is followed, there is no reason why he cannot.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2014 4:16 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 04:16:26 -0400

It is clear that we can only take the APFT (For Record) twice a year with no less than four months in between tests. This CDR is training for the APFT which also is not the training strategy of PRT.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Apr 25 at 2014 6:32 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 06:32:26 -0400

Wait... so he's taken five APFT's this week? Shouldn't THAT be the subject of debate? Or am I misreading this?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2014 7:38 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 07:38:12 -0400

Ok so let me get this straight. You gave the APFT every day, for five days, to the same individuals, and someone failed?
Who's bright idea was that? Oh wait , it was an officer, got it.
The APFT if done right is a muscle failure test, the muscles need time to rest and repair. Some people ( age and diet depending) repair faster, I was 18 once too.
If he wants to take it, let him but don't hold it against him.
The reg requires two tests a year officially, if you fail a record test then yes deal with it normally, but it seems the case here is someone tapping the Good Idea Fairy.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2014 8:39 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 08:39:35 -0400

I would counsel the soldier for failing the APFT, give him/her 48 hours to retake it (now we are talking about 3 seconds). If then fails the second APFT I would flag him/her and start remedial PT.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Apr 25 at 2014 8:41 AM

SGT Ben Keen — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 08:41:47 -0400

If he feels up to it and understands what could happen by failing it again, then let him go at it. If he normally scores 270s then maybe this one test was just a bad day at the office.

My question is what does the regulation say about putting the flag on his record? It has been a minute since I read the reg and I can' remember if it said after failing just one APFT or if applies after 2 failed tests in a row.

As long as everything is done within the regulation then everyone is covered.

Response by SFC Douglas Eshenbaugh made Apr 25 at 2014 8:51 AM

SFC Douglas Eshenbaugh — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 08:51:06 -0400

Are you saying that this SGT has taken four APFTs this week and failed the run on the fourth or are you saying that your unit is doing an APFT week where a select portion of the company takes the APFT each day and this SGT failed on Thursday?

I'm going to assume the second scenario since the first just doesn't seem right. I say no and here's why. The damage is done. it doesn't matter if he failed it because he was goated into a poor performance or if he had broken his ankle during the run and could not complete the test. There is no mitigation of this fact because he passes it the next day or even later that day. And actually, as a leader, I wouldn't allow it because it could be seen as showing favoritism (remember, perception is reality). If you're going to give a mulligan test then everyone, even those taking the test on the last day of the week need to be allow the same opportunity. On top of which, the few times that I've seen people try to take an APFT the next day after failing the test, they never did better and usually did worse the second time around. No, unless there is some extenuating situation I would have the SGT wait thirty days and retake the test. Use this as a learning lesson that he should NEVER let his pride over rule is better judgement.

Response by 1SG Gregory Crocker made Apr 25 at 2014 9:02 AM

1SG Gregory Crocker — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 09:02:12 -0400

The book answer is no, but you already know that. You're talking 3 seconds. Just like you said, you wouldn't hesitate to allow him to re-take it if he wanted to improve his score. Therefore, why would you change your stance because of a 3 second deficit, or for that matter a minute or more. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but personally I would give him a chance if he's ready, willing, and able. If he doesn't make it, then counsel him accordingly and lay out the plan for remedial.

Response by SSG Steven Borders made Apr 25 at 2014 9:12 AM

SSG Steven Borders — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 09:12:14 -0400

Really it is up to his 1SG and Commander. If his commander was pushing for him to keep up. He should talk to his 1SG and commander about retaking the test or at least making it count as a Diagnostic. If he scores 270 on every test he takes there should be no reason for them not to let him retake it.

Response by SPC Daniel Edwards made Apr 25 at 2014 9:19 AM

SPC Daniel Edwards — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 09:19:29 -0400

The first question should be: Is he a stellar solder? If he is and he just had this one hiccup, then I don't see a problem with letting him doing it again. Everyone has their off-days. I say give him 24-hrs to recover from the test he just took and that way he is rested and ready. He should do fine.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2014 10:25 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 10:25:45 -0400

If you are doing an APFT for an entire week straight and that is what's on the training calender for PT then why not? Are these recorded as diagnostic or record? If that is just what PT for the week is, then it is his duty to take it again and there really is no question of if he should be able. Generally PT runs for an hour, only doing a PT test for PT makes that about 19 minutes worth of PT every day (if he is scoring 270's to begin with) and shouldn't be a problem in my book.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2014 10:54 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 10:54:52 -0400

No. As a leader u need to know your limits. If a soldier challenges me and I know he runs 11s or 10s I'm still gonna talk my smack but I know what I can and can't do physically.
How do u burn yourself out on the run? If u score 270 consistently then running a 1556 should be cake on a bad day. Heck if he ran with the commander he should've been further along than he would running his own pace.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2014 11:43 AM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 11:43:39 -0400

Allow him to retake it. Be human. The military is full of people who utilize little discretion when applying the regulations - sort of a black and white approach- and while this is definitely an accepted approach in many cases, this is a scenario where commanders/supervisors have an opportunity to be human and allow him to retake it. I once had an airman fail a waist measurement by 1/2 inch and he would have failed his entire fitness test due to that one inch. It was on a Friday. I sent him home that weekend and told him to return on Monday with a smaller waist - he did! He was able to stay in the military a little longer because of this and he was a great Airman!

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2014 3:52 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 15:52:43 -0400

100 pts for push-ups
100 pts for sit-ups
70 pts for run
270 pts
This tells me the Soldier is not a strong runner. If you are this Soldier and you are not feeling 100% or the weather is not in your favor or you get challenged by the CO, you just might fail your run portion of the APFT.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2014 4:30 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 16:30:29 -0400

Should you let him retake the test? Sure if he is willing to waive the time he gets to prepare to take the APFT after a failure. Bigger question is should he be flagged immediately for this failure? Without a doubt. I have seen a couple responses on here suggest the commander can chose not to flag. That is inaccurate. Yes most regs can be interpreted by commanders. They contain words like "should" and "suggest". Other regs have no wiggle room. They say things like "will and "must". Those are huge differences in wording. People also want to says lets have a heart, everyone has a bad day and bend the rules just a little. Everyone wants the regs to bend a little when the reg is benefiting the Soldier, but if the commander wanted to bend a reg the other way the first call would be to I.G. If you do not flag this NCO then you have set a tone that every person gets one chance. Doesn't matter how many failures, by how much or why. You have to give everyone the same "extra" APFT if they fail. By not upholding the current standard you just set a new one.

Response by SGT Brian Watkins made Apr 25 at 2014 8:07 PM

SGT Brian Watkins — Fri, 25 Apr 2014 20:07:58 -0400

Rufio, Rufio, Rufio!!! Let him take it again if he wants to, but I seriously think he needs to have his shit together both mentally and physically. If the SGT in question is usually good at PT there is something else going on there. Maybe they didn't eat their Wheaties that morning?

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2014 1:02 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 01:02:49 -0400

I don't understand the "he was enticed to run faster" logic/excuse....

We do that to Soldiers all the time when we send a faster NCO who has completed the run back to get a Soldier who is close to failing or when we have an NCO or Soldier run with another on an APFT...

So are you guys/gals saying that if an NCO runs and shouts for someone to hurry their ass up during the APFT (which isn't much different) and they fail that it is not the Soldier's fault because he was encouraged to run faster than normal??????!??!!?!

That's a slippery slope then if that's the case. Better change the APFT instructions then to read "you can't talk to anyone during the run or else they have a legitimate reason to claim they failed."

Response by SFC David Cook made Apr 26 at 2014 1:11 AM

SFC David Cook — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 01:11:45 -0400

I am on the fence about the Soldier taking another record the next day. If he fails again it may end up worse for him. You should allow him adequate time, this will also probably put some fire under him to make sure he is not even close to failing again. Even if the Commander burned him out, he probably was on the borderline of failing anyways.

Excerpts from AR350-1:

(5) Soldiers who fail a record APFT for the first time or fail to take a record APFT within the required period will be flagged in accordance with AR 600–8–2. In the event of a record test failure, commanders may allow Soldiers to retake the test as soon as the Soldier and the commander feel the Soldier is ready. Soldiers without a medical profile will be retested no later than 90 days following the initial APFT failure.

(2) Soldiers without medical profiles, who repeatedly fail the APFT, or fail to take the APFT with no authorized waiver within the required time will be barred from re-enlistment or processed for separation from the service. Provisions for separation are in AR 600–8–24 (for officers) or AR 635–200 (for enlisted Soldiers) and counterpart ARNG and USAR regulations. A repetitive failure occurs when a Soldier fails a record test, the Soldier is provided adequate time and assistance to improve his or her performance, and failure occurs again.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2014 11:26 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 26 Apr 2014 23:26:11 -0400

If he wants to and is advised that he should probably wait to rest and recover and still wants to do it go for it. I had two Soldiers do this and both ended up passing the run the second day. One even dropped at lest a minute off their run. I think that it shows character and it really demonstrated what they were made of. It also inspired me and others around that saw it. As a reward the one got advanced as he was now eligible and the other was able to be scheduled for school.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2014 12:13 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Apr 2014 00:13:49 -0400

I would advise the Soldier not to. If for what ever reason the Soldier should fail again he would be Chaptered according to the Regulation. Provide the Soldier with a Diagnostic Test prior to a Record APFT within the 90 days allotted. It's outstanding that he was motivated, but putting his career on the line would be a mistake.

Response by Sgt James Bettes made Apr 27 at 2014 8:13 AM

Sgt James Bettes — Sun, 27 Apr 2014 08:13:53 -0400

If the tests are still ongoing, why shouldn't he be allowed to try again?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2014 2:28 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Apr 2014 14:28:09 -0400

I have also had some Leaders tell me that it would be OK to give the Soldier those 3 secs considering the siutation

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Apr 28 at 2014 9:41 AM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Mon, 28 Apr 2014 09:41:19 -0400

If he is ready and willing and the command team has no issues with it, by all means let him take it again....just rag on him for his lack of common sense in being goaded into trying to maintain someone-else's pace on the run....

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2014 2:40 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Apr 2014 14:40:24 -0400

Question, was it a diagnostic or "for record?"

If it was a diagnostic, you can not flag him/her. If it was a for record, you are REQUIRED to Flag and councel the Soldier.
AR 350-1 chapter 1 pretty much covers all of the requirements. I would seriously have to question the wisdom of allowing a Soldier to do a company run prior to a For Record

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2014 3:43 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:43:20 -0400

The Soldier should be properly counseled regarding his APFT failure, maybe given some recovery time and a chance to try it again, or wait 30 days to take it

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2014 4:43 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:43:40 -0400

He should be allowed to re-take it after a flag for initial failure is done and he is counseled for failing his APFT. The Commander and 1SG should also give the NCO no less that 1 week to let him recover from the APFT he initially failed which should be advised as part of the counseling. The NCO's Chain of Command wouldn't be doing the NCO any justice if they flagged and counseled the NCO and then let him re-take the APFT only to injure himself due to lack of recovery time.
We all know our own limitations. If he tried to keep up with his Commander and burnt himself out that is his fault and his alone.
It's pretty cut and dry. He failed to meet the standards. I doubt we would be discussing this so much if we were talking about a Soldier who regularly got 210's on their APFT.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2014 10:54 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:54:49 -0400

I say let him take it again, but have him wait a couple days to mitigate the risk of DOMS screwing up his score.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2014 8:13 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 May 2014 20:13:05 -0400

There seems to be some confusion among the audience as to if he has taken the APFT 4 times or just the one time.
If the Soldier only took it the one time, the company has an APFT scheduled the next day and the Soldier really wants to, I would let him, it will be a diagnostic and If he fails, its his career on the line. Although I would strongly recommend he not, and have him wait at least 14-30 days just to make sure he has time to prepare and I would not let him take a record for that time. If he normally gets a 270 or higher, he may have just had a bad day. But, just because he gets a 270, doesn't mean he's a good runner, it just means he does good in the other events. Peer pressure had nothing to do with it, that is a lousy use of an excuse. He could have said no sir, I'll pace myself. If he was a good runner, he would have had no problem. If this APFT was a record, he would need to be counseled on whats going to happen next, expectations and be flagged. But a soldier should be able to pass an APFT anytime anywhere right.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 28 at 2014 2:21 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 Jul 2014 14:21:13 -0400

Response by LCpl Clif Crosswhite made Dec 14 at 2014 2:30 AM

LCpl Clif Crosswhite — Sun, 14 Dec 2014 02:30:13 -0500

I say yes why not

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 2:32 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Apr 2015 14:32:50 -0400

Yes he should be allowed everyone has a bad day and well things happen like this example. There is no reason to flag this soldier let him retake and from what you say he will pass and have no more problems.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 2:34 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Apr 2015 14:34:16 -0400

By regs, he actually can request to take the PT test whenever he likes.

Response by CW5 Jim Steddum made Apr 8 at 2015 8:28 PM

CW5 Jim Steddum — Wed, 08 Apr 2015 20:28:56 -0400

If a person takes an APFT back to back and fails again, does it count as two failures?

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 10 at 2015 2:53 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Nov 2015 14:53:51 -0500

SSG Robert Burns, Bottom line up front (BLUF) I would give them a minimum of a week and no more than 180 days per your Commanders policy letter/ unit SOP. However, if the commander and the Soldier are in agreement let him do it again the next day.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 10 at 2015 2:58 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 10 Nov 2015 14:58:38 -0500

SSG Robert Burns, I would recommend that the Soldier not take the APFT for 7-10 days after the failure and no longer that 180 days per AR 350-1. Here is my Guidance based on the regulation; IET policy AR 350-1 3–13. Physical readiness and height and weight requirements for military institutional training
Pg 52, c. (2) One APFT retest is allowed, it will be administered no earlier than seven days and no later than 24 days after the initial failure of the APFT. Now, granted this is for an institutional training Soldier. However, no more than 180 days for AA/AGR Soldiers as G–9. Physical readiness training requires per Pg. 174 (3) k. Soldiers must meet the physical readiness standards (as measured during the (APFT)) set forth in FM 7–22, Appendix A and this regulation. Soldiers who are unable to meet these standards or the mission-related physical readiness standards required of their duty assignment and position may be subject to administrative action.
Pg. 175, m (2) Commanders may administer the APFT as often as they wish; however, they must specify beforehand when the results are for record. AA and AGR Soldiers will take the APFT twice each calendar year. A minimum of 4 months will separate record tests. Soldiers that require make-up testing or re-testing for an APFT failure are exempt from the 4-month rule. The intent is for the Active Army and the AGR Soldiers to take a record APFT every 6 months. Mission requirements often prevent the even spacing of record tests. Therefore, commanders are encouraged to test Soldiers for record as close to the record test window as possible. Soldiers requiring make-up testing will be scheduled in accordance with the unit Standard Operating Procedures. Soldiers requiring re-testing for an APFT failure will be scheduled as prescribed in paragraph G–9.m.(6) of this regulation.
(6) Soldiers who fail a record APFT for the first time or fail to take a record APFT within the required period will be flagged in accordance with AR 600–8–2. In the event of a record test failure, commanders may allow Soldiers to
retake the test as soon as the Soldier and the commander feel the Soldier is ready. Soldiers without a medical profile will be retested no later than 90 days following the initial APFT failure. Reserve component Soldiers not on active duty and without a medical profile will be tested no later than 180 days following the initial APFT failure.
All of this stated, my personal feeling would be that if the Commander says he can and he wants to, then by all means let him take it, but in general give the Soldier a minimum of 7-10 days before retesting.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Nov 11 at 2015 3:13 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:13:49 -0500

Give him a couple days rest.

Response by 1SG Paul DeStout made Nov 24 at 2015 12:23 PM

1SG Paul DeStout — Tue, 24 Nov 2015 12:23:54 -0500

Look at 13-2(e)

13-1. Policy

A Soldier may be separated per this chapter when it is determined that he/she is unqualified for further military service because of unsatisfactory performance. (See chap 1, sec II.) This reason will not be used if the Soldier is in entry-level status, except as provided in paragraph 11-3c.

13-2. Criteria

a. Commanders will separate a Soldier for unsatisfactory performance when it is clearly established that

(1) In the commander's judgment, the Soldier will not develop sufficiently to participate satisfactorily in further training and/or become a satisfactory Soldier.

(2) The seriousness of the circumstances is such that the Soldier's retention will have an adverse impact on military discipline, good order, and morale.

(3) The Soldier will likely be a disruptive influence in duty assignments.

(4) The circumstances forming the basis for initiation of separation proceedings will likely continue or recur.

(5) The Soldier's ability to perform duties effectively is unlikely.

(6) The Soldier's potential for advancement or leadership is unlikely.

b. Commanders will initiate separation action only when the Soldier is under military control. As an exception, commanders may initiate this action when a Soldier is confined by civil authorities and his/her military record indicates that he/she should be processed for separation by reason of unsatisfactory performance. (See chap 2, sec III for completing proceedings initiated before a Soldier departs absent without leave.)

c. This provision applies to Soldiers who are pregnant and whose substandard duty performance is not caused solely by pregnancy. Substandard duty might include failure to report to duty without medical or military authorization or refusal of CONUS reassignment during the first 6 months of pregnancy.

d. Commanders will consider a Soldier meeting the criteria of a, above, and convicted by court-martial but not sentenced to a punitive discharge, for administrative separation under this chapter when the underlying misconduct and the Soldier's performance warrant separation. When appropriate, commanders may start separation action while the Soldier is serving a sentence to confinement at the installation detention facility.

e. Initiation of separation proceedings is required for Soldiers without medical limitations who have two consecutive failures of the Army physical fitness test per AR 350-1 or who are eliminated for cause from Noncommissioned Officer Education System courses, unless the responsible commander chooses to impose a bAR to re-enlistment per AR 601-280 (RA Soldiers) or AR 140-111 (USAR AGR Soldiers).

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 12:29 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Nov 2015 12:29:53 -0500

Unless something is riding on the result today he should be given the max amount of time to retrain so as to maximize his odd of passing next time.....the ramification of multiple failures could be worse than waiting X days to retest.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2015 9:26 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 09:26:55 -0500

This is absurd. Who takes an APFT every single day of the week?? Is this some kind of challenge?
I don't understand the intent. To me it sounds like over training. Your body needs time to recover, that's why we do EM one day then SM the next.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2016 5:47 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 05 Apr 2016 05:47:39 -0400

He should be allowed to retake it, in 4 months, as per AR 350-1, Para G-9 m(2).

Response by SPC John Lebiecki made Jul 27 at 2016 6:53 PM

SPC John Lebiecki — Wed, 27 Jul 2016 18:53:28 -0400

Remember, there is the regulation answer and the common sense answer.

Regulation answer-> yes, flag, counsel, etc.
Common Sense (IE: for once be human)-> Give that soldier another chance, especially if its within 48 hours and they are willing to do it.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 27 at 2017 11:07 AM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 27 Aug 2017 11:07:35 -0400

The regulations are pretty clear on record APFT. No he is not authorized to take the APFT the next day and your 1SG and CO are not authorized to make him. If this soldier did take it and got hurt he could walk right into the IG and file paper work.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Apr 3 at 2018 4:57 AM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Tue, 03 Apr 2018 04:57:46 -0400

Some of the info is unclear so it has raised some questions. If you are going where I think you're going then I think it's Fubar of what your unit is doing. I have a question for you, was the First Sergeant and the Commander? Was someone from operations administering the APFT? Was it announce the APFT was a record?

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Apr 3 at 2018 9:58 AM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Tue, 03 Apr 2018 09:58:11 -0400

Allowed yes, mandated no