Posted on Dec 22, 2017
Anyone part of the California National Guard that can tell me the difference between AGR and State Active Duty (SAD)?
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AGR (Active Guard Reserve) are full-time, active duty (Title 32) Soldiers who are most commonly seen as the "full timers" in any given National Guard unit, and have all the benefits of a Regular Army active duty Soldier (including retirement). However, State Active Duty (SAD) are state-driven active duty missions (usually for a specific period of time/tour length) which is paid completely differently. Such missions in CAL GUARD include the Grizzly Youth Academy Instructor positions, along with many others. Unlike AGR, in these positions are you actually an employee of the State of California, not a Soldier under the National Guard Bureau (and ultimately the U.S. Army of course--so state controlled and state funded). This is not to be confused with Emergency State Active Duty (ESAD) in which the Governor can activate the state's National Guard Soldiers for state emergencies like the recent fires (although paid similarly and still state controlled/state funded). And this is--of course--also different than a federal activation for something like say, a deployment, or federal emergency assistance in another state. In those instances, Guardsmen usually get activated to Title 10 active duty--same status as our Regular Army counterparts unless specific authorizations are given under Title 32 for stateside missions (in Title 32 status, the state/governor retain control of the activated forces).
Charly Java
@CW2 (Anonymous) "state-driven active duty missions (usually for a specific period of time/tour length) which is paid completely differently" do you mean they get paid from a diff pot of money? To clarify my question, when individual participates in a "mission" do they get paid like their active duty counterparts? Or is their pay reduced?
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Charly Java - It varies. The tour listing will typically state what the pay is. I have seen some they say things like "E6 pay regardless of rank." And the pay will comes from the specific state itself as opposed to DFAS like your normal drill check or active federal pay accessible via mypay.
CPT Brock Young
Charly Java There also has been a recent change during firea regarding the "fire pay," which is above the normal SAD pay amount. Before, MPs for instance who were in a fire area, breathing the same nasty, dealing with the public, guarding burned out areas, and sometimes having to displace their TCPs because the fires burned back at then, weren't entitled. However every person supporting CALFIRE even if only with paper work, was. Now, personnel in direct support of the mission are entitled to the higher pay. For SGTs and below this almost doubles what they make a day.
AGR is full time paid by the federal government and SAD is full time paid by the state. SAD only performs duties related to the state they're in and AGR can do both state and federal missions.
Not from California, but AGR means Active Guard and Reserve, so they are full time soldiers just like if you were Regular Army. State Active Duty is called for by the Governor of the State, usually in response to natural disasters, civil unrest or some priority Domestic Action Program and lasts only as long as the crisis or project. https://www.ngaus.org/sites/default/files/Guard%20Statues.pdf
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Not completely accurate sir. There is actually a difference (at least in CAL GUARD) between State Active Duty (SAD) and Emergency State Active Duty (ESAD - which is what you are describing). They actually come from different pots of money, but are paid similarly. See my post above.
CPT Lawrence Cable
CW3 (Join to see) - I never saw the states around here regard those kind of duties as distinctly different as far as SAD, whether it was fighting fires or floods or helping with the marijuana eradication program or some Domestic Action engineering project. It all comes on Title 32 orders, it's just a matter out of which pot someone cuts the checks,
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CPT Lawrence Cable - Yeah its different (at least now in the CAL GUARD). I've been on Title 10, Title 32, SAD, and ESAD orders, and they are all different. Most recently I was activated with my unit for the fires in Ventura County, CA. We had to fill out special "Emergency State Active Duty" forms and other state paperwork just to get paid. In contrast, Title 32 and Title 10 orders do not require such things, and you just get paid normally through DFAS/USPFO. For SAD, you actually fill out state employee paperwork (to include W-4's) as if you were just another state employee.
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