Posted on Jul 14, 2023
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Posted in these groups: Ae62b08c DA Form 4187
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COL Randall C.
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SPC Perez Kaufman, it would be in your best interests in laying out your situation in full rather than asking piece-meal advice. Your question/name had a ring of familiarity so I checked your profile.

So far you asked about what to do with a G2G non-scholarship packet*, what you should do with a DD 368 when transferring from Active duty to the Army National Guard*, and now how to interpret the regulation if you separate from the active component to join the Air National Guard.

While many on the board will help you with advice, your situation seems to keep changing. Are you approved in the G2G program? Are you currently on terminal leave and are joining the Army National Guard but don't know what to do with your conditional release document? Have you signed an enlistment contract with someone but nobody knows who to give it to?

There are so many discontinuities when you put your posts together it doesn't make sense. You're approved for the Army Green-to-Gold program to become an Army Officer through ROTC but are joining the Air National Guard and you and everyone else are completely in the dark about how to handle the paperwork, including presumably the individuals in the G2G program that you've been working with, because they all apparently forgot what to do.

Does that about cover it?
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* https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/green-to-gold-non-scholarship-16ef9c71-afb1-42d2-a5f2-67ecb67891fa
* https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/signed-368
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i do have a signed 368 as well as a signed 4187 BUT since everything is still new and everyone is still learning the situation i looked more into the regulation and realized that i never need a 368 as the 4187 that i have signed for the sep serves as my release....right now were on the final part of this entire process because ive already sworn in so we are trying to figure out who would receive these documents as nobody up the chain knows and the time difference between my old COC and me is 8 hours everyone is currently sleep so i have no one else to ask besides the internet
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And also, sir yesterday when I put air national guard, I don't know who the authority for the site is but they changed it to army national guard, so I just kept it that way.
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SPC Perez Kaufman - I've been staring at this screen for a few minutes completely dumbfounded.

Under 16-2 (early discharge to enter into a program leading to a commissioned officer/warrant officer appointment), you were required to have been accepted to enroll at a college, and had a statement from the ROTC PMS indicating you were accepted into the program and that you met all of the entrance criteria. All this is given to your Battalion Commander before they can approve the early release.

After everything is in order, they review the commitments you are making and ensures you understand that your discharge is contingent upon your enlistment in the USAR as a cadet and execution of the ROTC student contract that was presented to him/her.

. . . and you decided you don't want to do Army ROTC anymore.

Frankly, I think you're lucky that your Battalion Commander hasn't recalled you from terminal leave and had your discharge revoked. At this point I would turn to my JAG officer and tell him to figure it out because I have a migraine.

Somehow it seems to be fine with them (just to be clear, they DO know, right!?), but you truly are going to hold a position of honor in the E-4 Mafia if you pull this off.

Ok ... your 4187 doesn't serve as your release. Your 4187 shows that your Commander has verified you met the conditions for your discharge and approved it. The 4187 still has to be processed by your S1 to the MPD. This should have been done a while ago in concert with the Army Cadet Command and recruiter to arrange the timeline of your separation and enlistment.

The 4187 comment just brings up more and more questions which I'm going to ignore although there are all sorts of alarm bells going off in my head right now.

I just spent the last 45 minutes trying to find something ... anything ... that could apply to your situation and I'm frankly at a loss. I think this is truly something that you will need to get the the various entities involved on a conference call and have them hash it out .. if it is hashable.

You will likely need to get HRC involved ... who is a guess, but likely separations branch. They might have had some experience with your situation and can assist. Again, I'm not really sure how you got to this point without having gone though all the other steps first.
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Haha sorry sir for the headache AR 635-200 16-2A allows you to commission in any branch following an enlistment in said branch so i did tell my COC and let them know and i did already have my 4187 processed by S1 and MPD im a week out from my terminal leave being over im just trying to figure out the next step cause HRC told me to go back through my Transitions office but i already have a signed DD214 so i was pretty confused on how much Tranitions could actually do for me again sir sorry for the overload probably best i stop stressing it and just let the process happen

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