Are contracted cadets applicable for a concealed carry permit?

2021-03-27T13:01:48-04:00

As per my state's law, an 18 year old is eligible for a CCW if they are in the military and "completed basic training":

(i) "[Are] a member of the United States armed forces on active duty status or [are] a current member of the army national guard, the army reserve, the navy reserve, the marine corps reserve, the air national guard, the air force reserve, or the coast guard reserve, who has successfully completed a basic training program; [...]"

Now, this is where the grey area starts. Cadets don't go to basic training, so they wouldn't qualify, right? But the requirements to include in your packet are simply:

(ii) "a military identification card or such other document as the commissioner designates as sufficient proof that the applicant is an active duty member of the military or a current member of the national guard or United States military reserve, who has successfully completed a basic training program."

Which implies they simply want a copy of your CAC as proof that you "completed basic training." So I'm asking, would contracted cadets "legally" be applicable for this through and through?

Response by SGT Steve McFarland made Mar 27 at 2021 1:11 PM

2021-03-27T13:11:33-04:00

You would have to check with your state's CCW licensing authority.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Mar 27 at 2021 2:20 PM

2021-03-27T14:20:25-04:00

Check with your state agency that issues the permit. Their interpretation matters.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2021 3:53 PM

2021-03-27T15:53:55-04:00

Too many variations. Each of the 50 states have their own requirements for issuance of a permit. You need to reach out to whoever in your jurisdiction issues permits and pose your question to them. Could be the county sheriff, the state police or some other office (i.e. Florida is the Department of Agriculture).

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2021 4:06 PM

2021-03-27T16:06:15-04:00

I very much read that as cadets are not eligible. Only an SMP member cadet would be eligible, or a full time cadet. You can actually look at the definitions of a service member under US Code Title 38. Cadets who are not full time cadets at a military service College are not actually service members yet.

Could you get away with it? Maybe... Maybe if the person your card goes in front of has no idea what a cadet is.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/38/1965

Here's a second FAQ that asks that very same question:
https://www.uab.edu/armyrotc/faq#:~:text=Students%20who%20enroll%20in%20ROTC,It's%20considered%20a%20college%20elective.

38 U.S. Code § 1965 - Definitions

Chapter 67 of title 10 as in effect before the effective date of the Reserve Officer Personnel Management Act, referred to in par. (5)(B), means chapter 67 (§1331 et seq.) of Title 10, Armed Forces, prior to its transfer to part II of subtitle E of Title 10, its renumbering as chapter 1223, and its general revision by section 1662(j)(1) of Pub. L. 103–337. A new chapter 67 (§1331) of Title 10 was added by section 1662(j)(7) of Pub. L. 103–337....

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2021 4:32 PM

2021-03-27T16:32:38-04:00

You answered your own question.

You are not a service member that has completed BASIC training.

If you want a more in depth answer, weapons handling and Military Marksmanship Training is included in BASIC. Most states require some version of training before issue of their version of a CCW, and most of the states that do require training accept Military weapons training as a substitute to their own approved courses.

Response by SP5 Peter Keane made Mar 27 at 2021 4:50 PM

2021-03-27T16:50:09-04:00

There is no "grey area" You haven't completed Basic, you are not Active Duty, you are not member of a Reserve Component.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2021 6:46 PM

2021-03-27T18:46:40-04:00

It'll potentially slide but technically no. Most authorities would want to see a DD-214 or other hard copy paperwork proving your a legit servicemember. CAC may work, but if they're doing the background investigation and things don't add up, you could be in a tough spot.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2021 10:12 PM

2021-03-27T22:12:37-04:00

What state?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 28 at 2021 12:21 AM

2021-03-28T00:21:55-04:00

I wouldn't even try this. I have a feeling this would back fire. At times it may be required for a Service Member to have a CCW. The National Guard does arm their full time staff at their armories. I don't know the intent of the law but I have a feeling that it is trying to address that.