Are contracted ROTC cadets in the Army?

Cadet SFC Rev. David Doellinger — Mon, 08 Jan 2018 22:16:31 -0500

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Jan 8 at 2018 11:02 PM

LTC Jason Mackay — Mon, 08 Jan 2018 23:02:02 -0500

Great question. It is highly contradictory.
- ROTC literature says you aren't....it is an elective.
- AR600-20 assigns cadets a place in the chain of command
- your contract is an enlistment for 8 years in the Army Reserve, assigned to the ROTC COntrol Group (2A Da Form 597-3)
- when you commissioned, you are conditionally released from the reserve component for the purpose of accepting a commission.
- during full mobilization, if you have graduated from ROTC Advanced camp you are recalled, commissioned, and sent to BOLC for training in order to put you in a unit. If you are contracted but not a Advanced Camp Graduate, you are sent to OCS or serve in an enlisted capacity (AR145-1).
- you are issued a military ID card and draw pay.
- you don't accrue time in service.
- if you are injured, you aren't eligible for VA services nor long term treatment.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2018 10:53 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 31 Jul 2018 10:53:25 -0400

If they are drilling in an Army Reserve or National Guard unit as an Simultaneous Membership Program (SMP) then they are in the Army (Selected Reserve capacity).

If they are just an ROTC Cadet, but contracted then they are not officially "in the Army" as LTC Jason Mackay outlined- it is a very grey area. Some people consider them in the Army, but they are just in training.

Cadet Command is a separate part of the Army anyways since they don't fall under Forces Command (FORSCOM) or Training and Doctrine Command (TRADOC) like other Soldiers do. Cadets go to training but are only provided meals and lodging, but not pay (since they are not in the Army officially).

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Mar 18 at 2019 3:59 PM

Capt Daniel Goodman — Mon, 18 Mar 2019 15:59:31 -0400

That's an interesting question...when I was on Army ROTC scholarship, I got a 3-yr in my 2nd yr undergrad, I wasn't able to finish the program, and went USAF OTS instead back when it was at Lackland after I finished my bachelors, before it got moved to Maxwell...I'd most definitely say yeah, purely from an experiential standpoint, obviously, that's not law, per se, of course...I spoke with an attorney once who'd been in Army ROTC during Vietnam, he was physically needed, he'd been on scholarship, he couldn't finish the program, he was told he'd been activated, he said he was still in school and was flat out told no, that they needed a body, and he was going to be used, so the whole activation thing for him, at least, was actually invoked, rare as that might be, I gather...now, in my case, they didn't activate me, in similar fashion, that was long before I had the discussion with him about what happened to him, though, I gather, they certainly could've used me if there'd been a similar need, when I was released from the program, I was actually given my honorable discharge, plus, all my records are actually on file from Army ROTC at NPRC in St. Louis, so, and I entirely realize this is purely my own viewpoint, I'd, as I'd said, most definitely say yeah, for sure...I entirely grant I could be wrong, and he was the only instance I'd ever personally run across of someone who'd been so activated, he wasn't used in Vietnam, he'd been sent to Germany, he'd said, then he'd gone back to finish his undergrad, then went for law, however, it it happened to him, which I know for a fact it apparently did, I'd be quite certain it could certainly happen to others as well, by all means, it'd depend on circumstances, certainly, of course, however, I'd by no means place it outside the bounds of legal reality, you know? I just figured you'd find that an interesting story, if nothing else, OK?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2019 5:09 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Mar 2019 17:09:37 -0400

You are not in the Army.

From MIT ROTC webpage explains this question as good as any other.

Enrolling in Army ROTC is not, strictly speaking, joining the Army. You will not be sent to boot camp. However, the primary purpose of the Army ROTC program is to produce its Officers, so you must agree to serve as Officers in the Army after graduation in order to go through the entire program, or if you have received an ROTC scholarship. Enrolling in the ROTC Basic Course (the first two years of college) does NOT obligate you to serve unless you have also received a scholarship.

So, you are not in the Army, and solely being a contracted cadet doesn't subject you to the UCMJ.

Scholarship winners must serve for four years; non-scholarship Cadets who enroll in the ROTC Advanced Course must serve for three years. All who graduate and complete ROTC training are commissioned as Second Lieutenants in the U.S. Army.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 24 at 2019 3:29 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Oct 2019 15:29:38 -0400

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made May 3 at 2020 6:13 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 03 May 2020 18:13:29 -0400

They don't get army pay or TIS. There status as a soldier is nil.