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AR 600-25, 1-5 states who is entitled to a salute. No where in this does it say cadet (who has not received his commission).
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CSM Mike Maynard
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1) AR 600-25 states salutes are exchanged between officers (commissioned and warrant) and enlisted - Cadets are neither officers or enlisted

2) If Cadets are authorized salutes, why would they have a "First Salute" ceremony at their commissioning?

3) AR 600-20 states Cadets will be referred to as Mister, Miss or Cadet

4) Cadets are not paid E5 pay, they are given a monthly stipend
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SGT Joseph Miller
SGT Joseph Miller
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CSM Mike Maynard your correct on everything but number four. You are grouping all cadets under one umbrella statement but they're two types of cadets, USMA cadets and ROTC cadets which fall under two separate commands and two separate categories. As LTC Paul Labrador pointed out USMA cadets are paid a stipend that equates to 35% of a 2LT pay but ROTC cadets have a reserve obligation where they are paid as an E5 in the reserves and their cac card reads E5. That does not mean they hold the rank or privileges of an E5 but that is their paygrade for pay purposes while in IADT or ADT.
As for the saluting, this is a conversation I have had with many cadets as a drill sergeant that has trained summer camp at ft Knox and ft Lewis for cadets getting ready to be commissioned after their last major training event. They are not commissioned and are not due a salute and nowhere in regulations does it require any member of the armed forces to salute or to use any courtesies afforded to a commissioned officer.
They would never try these stunts expecting a salute or stand at parade rest when talking to them from the drill sergeant instructors as we kept them pretty scared of us but they did expect it from the support staff that were E4 and below and told quite a few to stand at parade rest when addressing them and usually got a big F@#k you in return which would cause incidents that we didn't need, so we would have to talk to the support staff junior enlisted about ,no you don't have to salute ,no you don't have to stand at parade rest ,but yes you should be respectful to them as your part of them learning to become officers and if you have a problem with one then find a drill sergeant and we will handle it and we gave a similar briefing to the cadets.
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CSM Mike Maynard
CSM Mike Maynard
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Doesn't matter if they are USMA or ROTC cadets, neither receive E-5 pay. Both receive stipends based on the MS level.

Now, SMP cadets, which most ROTC cadets are not, are paid at the E5 level when they drill (just like you said), but that only applies to SMP cadets, not ROTC cadets in general.
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SGT Petroleum Supply Specialist
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Actually CSM cadets under the smp program with the guard and reserves are given e 5 drill pay. I was one of those cadets at one point
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SGT Joseph Miller - Some cadets..are stupid I apologize for them and hope being a butter bar knocked some sense into them. I can honestly say I would never have graduated ROTC or been commissioned without the enlisted in my unit. My commander had a grudge against women and would call me into his office every few months to tell me what a piece of shit I was....the enlisted couldn't help...but they did warn me " Lorenz, he pulled your file, get ready" so I had time to prepare. I will always be grateful to them for that.
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SPC Charles Brown
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A cadets overanxious reaction to being snubbed by someone they perceive as junior to them got him an answer he wasn't expecting from me once. I was coming out of the PX on Fort Drum and he followed me to confront me about not saluting him.

Q: Why didn't you salute me?
A: Why should I?
Q: Do you know what this means (Silver disc on his cover)?
A: A target for some young sniper or other combat arms individual to use to take you out.

He just walked away.
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MGySgt Jerry Suarez
MGySgt Jerry Suarez
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That young cadet is gonna be someone's heartache out there
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LCDR Frederick Hardy
LCDR Frederick Hardy
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Ah, Fort Drum......I remember that as Pine Camp, Camp Drum and finally Fort Drum. I grew up in and around Carthage.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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At one point as a Cadet 1st Lt I did have two silver disk on My collar, I knew I wasn't entitled to a salute but got some anyway many saw that and didn't know what it was and saluted. They didn't have to but weren't sure but it nothing I expected or was entitled to. Much of the discussion here seems to be Army and AR600-25 States Cadets are either Officers or Enlisted and NOT entitled to a salute. The same applies to all branch of the service in their own Regulations and Instructions.
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CPO Bruce Dull
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Once you are an ensign and get to your first command you will learn that unroll you make Lt. You will even then not outrank a CPO.
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SFC Stephen Carden
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Funny this should come up. My company has two cadets visiting right now. Here is how we handle it: I call them sir and ma'am because it is much easier than remembering their names; I do not salute them because they are not commissioned officers and I have not been ordered or "encouraged" to salute them; they do not expect salutes because they know they are not commissioned officers; they keep their mouths shut and their ears and eyes open because they are here to learn and they know it. I actually had the male cadet approach me yesterday and ask me what I expected from a brand new 2LT as a SNCO! He even took notes! I told him I expected them to ask for directions to where they are supposed to be because we don't have LTs in my MOS:-) Seriously, he seemed very interested in how he should behave as a 2LT. Of course, he is prior enlisted, so......
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I need to get my own meme like SFC (Join to see) ! I like it!
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PO2 Michael Henry
PO2 Michael Henry
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Buy that kid a beer when off duty.
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That's awesome Mark!!
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SPC Chris Havel
SPC Chris Havel
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When stationed at Ft. Stewart. We had a cadet doing his training with us in our motor pool. Our CO. Told us to treat them like a officer. He didn't have a car down there so the CO loans him his bicycle. He told me to watch over the Commanders bike while he went around with BMO. When he got back the bike was hanging from the eclectic crane in the motor pool. We turned off the breaker to it and told him the crane was out of gas. Then had him go to POL to get some mo gas. He was scared shitless. I loved the E-4 mafia!
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