Are officers and enlisted with prior relationship with each other really allowed to continue the relationship?

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:52:32 -0400

The AFI seems clear there is to be no personal relationship between officers and enlisted, including friendship or dating. But I heard if they had a prior relationship (dating or just friends) before the officer commissioned, and they are not in each other's chain of command, the relationship can stand or progress. Is there a regulation or supplement stating this?

Response by SSG Ed Mikus made Aug 15 at 2018 4:08 PM

SSG Ed Mikus — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 16:08:47 -0400

I know in the army that prior relationship clause only counts for those that are to be married or are otherwise related.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Aug 15 at 2018 4:51 PM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 16:51:48 -0400

There’s an exception for the Reserve Component. Otherwise the restriction is very clear. Some Commanders may choose to look the other way but you can’t count on it. I’ve known officer-enlisted married couples. But they were rare in my time on active duty.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2018 4:56 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 16:56:39 -0400

From my understanding while being in the Army it is fine as long as it is not in the same command.

I am in the Army but looked up the AFI. Look up AFI36-2909 27 APRIL 2018 under 3.2.3.2. Officer-Enlisted marriages entered into prior to either spouse acquiring officer status.

BLUF: Officer-enlisted marriages that occurred prior to either spouse acquiring officer status are less likely to constitute fraternization.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Aug 15 at 2018 5:15 PM

Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 17:15:59 -0400

Officer to enlisted marriages are acceptable. Post commission hookups or friendships not so much. Just not a good idea because no matter how you protect it the one time something good happens it will be int he eyes of the others it was because so and so knew so and so and the same withthe bad things if you were to get off the charges...rightfully so doesn't matter...it happened because they made a phone call to thier friend etc and their goes good order and discipline. IMHO...just not a good practice.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2018 5:24 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 17:24:24 -0400

The rule of thumb is if you are friends or in a relationship prior. However, if you make friends with someone who happens to be an officer, you can still be friends, but your friendship cannot interfere with your work (ie no hanging out on duty) and there can be no preferential treatment whatsoever.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2018 6:45 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:45:56 -0400

Officer and Enlisted relationships really depends on what kind of relationship it is. If it is a romantic relationship, Army regulation states, you have up to one year from commissioning to get married or end the relationship. If it is a friendship there is no policy that states that an officer can not be friends with an enlisted member. However, it is all about perception. If it is perceived that the friendship undermines good order and discipline then it can be construed as an unprofessional relationship. Much like others have stated, if it is a life long or service long friendship then I, personally, would not end it. But, I would not bring any attention to the friendship either. If it is romantic in nature, I didn't see much in the AFI about this, I would either get married prior to commissioning or end the relationship. This is a tricky one and you have to decide what is the best course of action for you and your career. I hope this helps.

Response by MSG Frank Kapaun made Aug 15 at 2018 8:45 PM

MSG Frank Kapaun — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:45:22 -0400

Remember that a dog doesn’t $hit where it eats.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Aug 15 at 2018 10:10 PM

LTC Jason Mackay — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 22:10:00 -0400

The AFI should stand on its own. It should nest with the DoDI. There is no tradespace. The exception is that people may marry, but can date. How you do that I have no idea. If the marriage predates the promotion then it is ok. Had a Company Commander of one company whose husband was a 1SG of another company. Married as E5s.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2018 11:47 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:47:42 -0400

Yes. Pretty clear: prior relationships are grandfathered.
One of my 3 best friends in this world was an Army SGT long before I was commissioned as as a USAF 2LT

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Aug 16 at 2018 7:56 AM

Lt Col Charlie Brown — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 07:56:06 -0400

It's a tough situation. And it depends on your commander and whether you work with each other. If you do, all bets are off. We had a couple of enlisted officer marriages and the officer was told, no command billets until your spouse gets out or retires. I was always very cautious and professional with my enlisted folks. None of them seemed to mind and many of them are in my life now that we all have retired. I have sworn in some of their kids.

Response by MSgt Michael Smith made Aug 16 at 2018 7:59 AM

MSgt Michael Smith — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 07:59:16 -0400

Plenty of officer-enlisted married couples...Its grandfathered. But they will never in the same COC.

Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Aug 16 at 2018 9:07 AM

CPT Zachary Brooks — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:07:41 -0400

I think the regulation specifically states that previous relationships (both enlisted, one goes to OCS, etc) have one year to terminate or end in marriage. New relationships between the two cannot be started though.

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made Aug 16 at 2018 1:04 PM

LtCol Robert Quinter — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:04:28 -0400

With few exceptions, I think you will find that the friendships become more distant once one of you gains a commission. Even treasured friendships are hard to maintain once one of the friends makes a transition to a different social or cultural circumstance; and even today there is that divide. Officer/Enlisted status in a marriage can be another complication added to the long list of accommodations that marrieds have to make in their adjustment to marriage. Do I have dear friends who were enlisted when we were on active duty? Absolutely, and some of them were SNCOs when our friendship developed, but marriage? I wouldn't recommend unless one member was leaving active duty. It may be allowed, but I would think long and hard about the wisdom of the decision.

Response by MAJ Richard Cheek made Aug 16 at 2018 1:33 PM

MAJ Richard Cheek — Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:33:07 -0400

My girl friend when I got commissioned was a Pfc. my battalion commander told me she’s not in our chain and you had a relationship when you were enlisted. But don’t get a new one.

Response by ENS Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2022 4:27 PM

ENS Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Mar 2022 16:27:40 -0400

I thought there was one, but now I am questioning if that info is accurate.