Are soldiers allowed to be smoked if they do not achieve an APFT standard set by the squad leader?

2020-03-31T17:12:28-04:00

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 31 at 2020 5:13 PM

2020-03-31T17:13:56-04:00

It's not smoking. It's corrective training in an area of deficiency.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 31 at 2020 5:44 PM

2020-03-31T17:44:43-04:00

No they the right thing would be to sit down with the soldier and come up with a remedial PT program for the soldier, that the squad leader leads and monitors

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 31 at 2020 5:59 PM

2020-03-31T17:59:03-04:00

There is only one standard. 60-60-60. Is it good, no, but it is THE standard. Pretty simple, almost like there's a regulation and manual for it.......

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Mar 31 at 2020 5:59 PM

2020-03-31T17:59:45-04:00

There are a lot of points missing here before we can judge if it is right or wrong.

Response by SSG George Holtje made Mar 31 at 2020 6:54 PM

2020-03-31T18:54:13-04:00

It’s not smoking(aka corrective action) it’s helping the achieve the standard.
Rule of Thumb. Every hundred push-ups and sit-ups you do adds one to your score

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made Mar 31 at 2020 7:49 PM

2020-03-31T19:49:41-04:00

Your squad leader can smoke you if he doesn't like the look on your face

Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Apr 1 at 2020 12:33 PM

2020-04-01T12:33:56-04:00

There is only one standard, which is the Army Standard set in AR 21-20. Units can have goals but they cannot make anyone get better than 60-60-60.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Apr 1 at 2020 2:15 PM

2020-04-01T14:15:57-04:00

Everyone has given some or all of the answer. Let me try to sum up everything.
A smoke session for a low PT score? No.
Any form of punishment for a low score that still achieves 60-60-60? No.
However, additional PT is not, in and of itself, punishment. Especially if that additional PT is conducted "on the clock." (I.e. no "Squad dismissed. Except for PVT Schmedlap.")
Remember that the "T" in PT (or PRT) is TRAINING. If the squad leader, in her or his expert opinion, believes that the most important training focus for a Soldier at a given point in time is physical fitness/readiness, then the squad leader has a DUTY to train that Soldier.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Apr 3 at 2020 5:56 PM

2020-04-03T17:56:53-04:00

Look SPC, No one can set standards below the Army minimum, but damn near anybody can set the bar higher. NCOs are responsible for your training, welfare, etc., etc. and can exhort more to help you by competitive against others. Bottom Line- shut up, work hard and exceed the standards. They are NOT breaking any regs.