Posted on Mar 18, 2019
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Today I was over at the Fort Sill USAO to use their computers for my SSD1 when I was stopped and promptly dressed down by a sergeant for wearing a pair of multicam pants when I was wearing civilian attire. I believe he was mistaken about the pants themselves, and thought that they were uniform pants, however he did not give me a word in edgeways to explain that they were not. This raised a question in my mind, and after digging through AR670-1, I am unable to find an answer to this and I would like some input from any sergeants, or officers here. Are soldiers allowed to wear civilian "tactical" camo pants when in civilian attire while on post? In my case, for clarification, they were a pair of 511 TDUs in Crye Multicam. If any info from regulations can be added I would much appreciate it, as my platoon sergeant has ok'ed it, and I would like something to back me up should I run across said sergeant again. just in case, TL;DR, are soldiers allowed to wear civilian multicam pants on post when not in army uniform?
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PFC(P) (Join to see), I’m certain you can afford a decent pair of pants from the Exchange and just avoid it all together!!

Keep it simple! Just blend in and avoid the attention.
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I never once said you were a toxic leader or even commented on your style of leadership. I believe you are prob a great leader and that is why the Army put you in positions of great responsability. My understanding is that this is a forum to discuss things objectively and my comments were toward how the situation was handled and the advice on how it should have been handled. I dont believe in enforcing pet peeves, its just not good practice. And in this example your advice was to have the young Soldier comply to an order published by a pet peeve. I guess my discontent was with the scenario itself. How would this same situation have been handled if it were a COL asking the same question? Would the advice be “pick your battles?”. I dont believe so, as a matter of fact, that COL would have told that NCO to cite a regulation or move out. Why would rank matter at all when enforcing regulations? It doesnt because general military authority protects us and gives us the needed support, however, enforcing pet peeves on people we out rank is not good practice. I never meant any disrespect bud, I am just on a cell phone and emotions are generally lost through text. I would love to sit down over Dunkin coffee and talk Soldier talk with yah. Good dialogue and I apologize if you felt I was attacking you, I am not in the business of that either. 1SG (Join to see)
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CSM (Join to see), No hard feelings here. I’m open to a dialogue because there’s something to be learned from everyone. I just prefer to avoid generalities and address a specific concern instead.

I see where my comments can be misconstrued but it’s a snapshot in time and I can only elaborate on my intentions to clarify my stance.

I think it’s fair to say that we all have pet peeves. I also think it’s fair to say that we’ve all allowed the associated emotions attached to those pet peeves to interfere with our decision making at times. I agree that pet peeves are not enforceable, however, I think they warrant a discussion because they generally exist due to some personal experience or an alternate perspective.

At the end of the day, regulation is what it is. If something is authorized, opinions don’t hold much weight, if any at all. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t voice those thoughts when the conversation is relevant. However, I’m a firm believer in the mantra, “just because you can do it, doesn’t mean you should”. It’s reasonable to believe that we all have chosen a pathway that was less resistant at some point in our careers. That’s the “pick your battles” point being made. Sometimes, it’s simply better to fly under the radar and sacrifice some personal preferences rather than cause additional friction.

More often than not, a confrontation about regulation doesn’t result favorably for the junior ranking member. That’s solely because we have a culture of failing to take ownership on our wrongs so most, especially new leaders, will resist and overreact.

We can’t remain 100% objective in anything related to human nature so this forum will always enable subjectivity. It’s important that we all remain cognizant of that as we seek or provide advice to one another.

In your provided example, I don’t believe a COL would be seeking advice on something so trivial to warrant such varying opinions but your point is well received. That being said, rank has no bearing on how I address a concern. To a large degree, rank indicates the level of experience and establishes a baseline expectation on what they should or should not know already. Other than that, we’re all human under it all. I believe that very same hypothetical COL has probably bit their tongue a few times and chose whether or not they should pick a battle or “roger up” and drive on.

Either way, I appreciate the dialogue, it always challenges me to reflect on my own ideas and choice in words. RallyPoint is just as developmental for me as I try to make it for others.

I’m planning for the 2020 ten-miler, if you’re still around I’ll take you up on the Dunkin coffee. I’m certain there’s plenty to learn from you.
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CSM Command Sergeant Major
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Email me and we can meet up! Only Chavaree on Global1SG (Join to see)
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SGT Justin Brothen
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1SG (Join to see) if he likes those and is not in the wrong. He shouldn't need to be hassled. Thought regulations are the core of the army?
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Comfortable and cool or not....next time you could draw the ire of a CSM or two. Is that comfort and coolness really worth it, even if they are civilian attire?
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1SG John Millan
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Yes, dear Lord Soldiers, buy some decent clothes and don't pick a needless fight,
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Short answer: Yes.
Question: Is it worth the hassle of being on the listening end of that one-way conversation every single time?
Not really.
5.11 TDU multicams look exactly like OCP trousers to everyone who doesn't own a pair of both.
5.11 makes the same pants in every color of the tactical rainbow, pick anything other than multicam and wear those.
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