Are the words "In God We Trust" inappropriate to use?

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:58:38 -0400

The words "In God We Trust" have been used on our currency since 1864 and was adopted as the official motto of the United States in 1956. Recently Police departments in several states have opted to put this slogan on their patrol cars, citing the numerous times the statement has been held as constitutional by the courts. Some disagree with it's use and express objections to it being used. In the areas where placing it on Patrol cars has happened it is being discussed as being inappropriate. All around us we see the growing movement to remove any reference to God from government property, in Wauwatosa Wisconsin the "Christian Cross" was replaced on their city seal, the city of Zion, IL has done the same thing, the Oklahoma Supreme Court ordered the removal of the 10 Commandments monument from the state capitol, is this trend going to continue to grow until these words are removed from our monies?

The words "In God We Trust" originated from the song, The Star Spangled Banner, it is there we find the words, "And this be our motto: "In God We Trust"" The words "In God We Trust" provide for me a certain amount of solace and are a source of pride in my Nation and Government. When I sing the Star Spangled Banner have at times been moved to tears thinking about the men who fought and lived to see "those broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight. O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming." We live in a imperfect world and no matter what is decided someone will be unhappy. I feel public recognition of God is important, to me it's not about a specific religion, it's about our national heritage.http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/08/03/in-god-we-trust-stickers-on-police-cars-lead-to-dueling-protests-in-florida/

“In God We Trust” Stickers on Police Cars Lead to Dueling Protests in Florida

Bonifay, Florida is another city where the local police chief has put “In God We Trust” stickers on all the department’s vehicles for reasons that *totally* have nothing to do with Jesus. (All hail Jesus.)

Response by CMSgt Mark Schubert made Aug 12 at 2015 9:09 AM

CMSgt Mark Schubert — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:09:49 -0400

No - "Let us recommit ourselves to that devotion to God and family that has played such an important role in making this a great Nation, and which will be needed as a source of strength if we are to remain a great people." - Ronald Reagan - Thanksgiving Day, 1981

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Aug 12 at 2015 9:13 AM

SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:13:30 -0400

Sure! Now which God?

Response by CW4 Guy Butler made Aug 12 at 2015 9:15 AM

CW4 Guy Butler — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:15:23 -0400

"In God we trust" on police cars reminds of of the sign in the supply room: "In God we trust; all others must sign."

I don't see any relation to police work, and I'm wondering what the follow-on is... "In God we trust; all others are suspects"?

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2015 9:32 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:32:42 -0400

It says "In God WE Trust" not "In God YOU Must Trust".

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2015 9:33 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:33:36 -0400

This is not inappropriate. We live in a country that permits freedom of religion. People are free to choose to believe in who/what they wish. We do not coerce people to believe in anything; however, there are some who believe that we must omit everything that relates to a creator because it either offends them or that they feel excluded.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2015 9:34 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:34:26 -0400

I think it should be left, as it is a staple of the foundation of our country. Of course this goes along with thoughts of perhaps recognizing Christianity as a national religion or religious belief. Not to discriminate, but to protect the moral foundations upon which our country was founded. It is argued that we are so worried about offending the vocal minority we are losing our identity as a nation.

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2015 9:38 AM

A1C Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:38:14 -0400

I am an Atheist, and have never been offended by the words "in god we trust" or any usage of God in government. Yes, I get a little uncomfortable during award ceremonies when we start off with a prayer, but that is part of our freedom of religion. I am not being forced to pray, I just sit silent and wait for it to finish. Same goes with the pledge and the stickers on the police cars. They mean a lot to those who believe, and are just words on a car or a piece of currency. it shouldn't be more than that and people need to stop living like the only thing that matters is their feelings, and other peoples beliefs should come behind the fews feelings.

Response by MSgt Michelle Mondia made Aug 12 at 2015 9:44 AM

MSgt Michelle Mondia — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:44:34 -0400

The motto IN GOD WE TRUST was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the Civil War. It wasn't put on paper money until 1957 during the height of the Cold War around the same time "under God" was added to the pledge of allegiance...to make the communist Soviet Union appear godless. Contrary to what people believe our founding fathers had nothing to do with God being in government. If agency's want to evoke religious symbols they should prepare for cultural back lash. Considering our money isn't backed by gold or silver any more you gotta trust in something or else it's worthless right? So it's kinda funny that's on there. Now when people look at money all they see is Visa, Master Card or Bank of America nothing about God on credit cards, lol. It should be on cop cars...it's not on our tanks and fighter jets.

Response by SPC Joshua Heath made Aug 12 at 2015 9:46 AM

SPC Joshua Heath — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:46:33 -0400

As a nation, we are supposed to ensure that we do not endorse any particular religion. Since there are polytheists, atheists, and others that are citizens of our great country, we should refrain from doing anything that indicates a preference for any particular expression of faith. That includes a tacit approval of monotheism over any other options.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2015 9:48 AM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:48:47 -0400

I think the previous comments say it all.

To those who wish it removed, let me ask this simple question that has no intended malice; What is the real problem you have with it? Is it that it excludes other religions? If so, I'd argue that a Jew, Muslim, Christian...even a follower of a "non Abrahamic" faith can agree it speaks to them. Is it because it excludes those without faith? A1C Santy-Wish I could shake your hand for your much appreciated view regarding that.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Aug 12 at 2015 9:50 AM

SSG Warren Swan — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:50:51 -0400

"God" isn't specific to any one religion although it's associated with Christianity being that is how it's spelled. All religions have a "God" or a supreme being that represents them, so this shouldn't offend anyone. Where it could get sketchy is where you have those who aren't "believers" in "God", or any other supreme being. Another argument would be the separation of church and state hence why America has never endorsed any official religion over another. It was what made and IS making us great as a nation. I personally have no issue with it, but recognize there will be backlash if a Muslim was to put "In Allah we trust" on their vehicle which is saying the exact same thing.

Response by Maj Chris Nelson made Aug 12 at 2015 10:02 AM

Maj Chris Nelson — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 10:02:10 -0400

Simply put, yes, there is a freedom of religion, but the country was founded and based on "In God We Trust". You have the freedom to practice something else, but that is the founding basis.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2015 10:03 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 10:03:39 -0400

No, because our President talks about Islam and the Koran all the time..

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Aug 12 at 2015 10:32 AM

SrA Edward Vong — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 10:32:59 -0400

I would prefer everything to be secular, however, the words don't offend me. After all, some of the words were in our nation's founding documents.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Aug 12 at 2015 10:48 AM

MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 10:48:16 -0400

Apparently some are offended by these words. If someone is offended by something today that means it has to go so therefore it must be inappropriate or no one would be offended by it. Then again you can say hi to a stranger on the street and they may be offended by it. I may offend someone for simply saying I don't find the phrase offensive. I'm going to put the phrase on a flag and fly it beneath my Confederate flag so I can just offend everybody equally (as if being white and Catholic isn't already enough to throw some people over the edge) :-)

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Aug 12 at 2015 10:48 AM

Capt Seid Waddell — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 10:48:54 -0400

It is never inappropriate; the atheists pushing this ban are the tail wagging the dog.

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Aug 12 at 2015 11:10 AM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 11:10:21 -0400

I'm an atheist and I really don't care about it on coins, I don't think it belongs on police cars, our government is suppose to be non bias.. here is the official history for coins. http://www.treasury.gov/about/education/Pages/in-god-we-trust.aspx

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Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Aug 12 at 2015 11:25 AM

SCPO David Lockwood — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 11:25:17 -0400

It's what a person believes in. Our founding fathers believed in this enough to put these words everywhere within our government and symbols. People have the right not to protest against these words but we have the right to have them there. I truly believe that this country and world is in the shape we are in because we have fallen so far from God and have pushed him out of our lives. We need to get God back into our lives and family.

Response by SSG Derek Scheller made Aug 12 at 2015 12:02 PM

SSG Derek Scheller — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 12:02:15 -0400

I have the words "In God We Trust" tattooed on my shoulder, it is my belief and has been in our country for a long time. I have to say that I am tired of people feeling like words offend them. It is not all people or all religions, however, as A1C Private RallyPoint Member stated, some people feel like their beliefs or words take precedence over others. If you don't like it don't look. If you don't want to hear it don't listen. If you don't want to say it then don't. However, do not dare think you can take away what I believe because it bothers you.

Response by MSgt Stephen Council made Aug 12 at 2015 12:26 PM

MSgt Stephen Council — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 12:26:19 -0400

Christians have rights too!

Response by LTC Ed Ross made Aug 12 at 2015 12:32 PM

LTC Ed Ross — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 12:32:08 -0400

The United States was founded on Judeo-Christian principles with the belief that all rights come from God (whatever concept of God you hold) and not from government. Once we no longer "trust in God" we leave the door open to government becoming the grantor of our rights. When that happens they can give and take away any rights they want. Whether you believe in God or not, you should keep that in mind.

Response by COL Ted Mc made Aug 12 at 2015 1:15 PM

COL Ted Mc — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 13:15:50 -0400

I think that it's "semi-appropriate". However, having the expression ONLY in English makes it more problematic. If the phrase were in English, Hebrew, and Arabic then it would be much more appropriate because then everyone would know that "God", "Yahweh", and "Allah" were the same thing and stop the idiots thinking that Muslims didn't believe in "God" simply because the Arabic word for "God" is "Allah".

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Aug 12 at 2015 1:17 PM

SPC Sheila Lewis — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 13:17:06 -0400

Yes":In God We Trust" is appropriate because this nation was in its infancy when You consider other nations, countries had been in operation for thousands of years.

Response by CAPT Gary Foster made Aug 12 at 2015 1:37 PM

CAPT Gary Foster — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 13:37:24 -0400

Our nation was built on our trust in God. General Washington fought the British as a man of great faith. The Declaration of Independence was signed by men of great faith. Most of them paid the ultimate price for declaring freedom in the name of God. It is inappropriate to take it out of our culture. Look what removing God from our schools has done. So no, it is not inappropriate. The last part of the oath I took to protect and defend the Constitution were "So Help Me God!"

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Aug 12 at 2015 2:03 PM

SSgt Alex Robinson — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 14:03:50 -0400

Yes they are. Our founders invoked God in all they did

Response by MSgt Jim Wolverton made Aug 12 at 2015 7:41 PM

MSgt Jim Wolverton — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 19:41:23 -0400

We are already changing too much, enough is enough. I don't even practice any organized religion and I can't even tell you for certain if I believe in God but I damn sure have zero problem with those words or people worshipping how they choose. Enough is enough.

Response by PO3 David Fries made Aug 12 at 2015 7:42 PM

PO3 David Fries — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 19:42:44 -0400

Do I have an issue with it? No. Do I think it's appropriate? No. Personally, I believe that separation of Church and State is a good thing. Government run religion scares me more than government run healthcare.

Response by MSgt Jim Wolverton made Aug 12 at 2015 7:58 PM

MSgt Jim Wolverton — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 19:58:37 -0400

If it was good enough to put in the Constitution by our founding fathers, who are we to demand its removal?

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Aug 12 at 2015 8:45 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 20:45:19 -0400

Response by LTC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2015 11:59 PM

LTC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 23:59:21 -0400

As someone who believes in a higher power, the words do not necessarily offend me. However...I do not necessarily think the government, at any level, should be promoting a specific religion. And if we want to continue what the Founding Fathers started by keeping religion out of government...we should all feel the same way.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6761840

Founding Fathers: We Are Not a Christian Nation

As we witness yet again the brutal and bloody consequences of religious intolerance in the form of ISIS, we have a majority of Republicans pining for a Christian America. Proponents of converting the United States into a theocracy do not see the terrible parallel between religious excess in the Middle East and here at home.

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Aug 13 at 2015 6:14 AM

SFC Joseph Weber — Thu, 13 Aug 2015 06:14:58 -0400

I think it is inappropriate but really do not care. Means about the same as any other meaningless slogan like rock on or go for it. If it gives comfort to the large population of Christians, Muslims, Jews and anyone else who believes in God And it does not bother 99% of non-beliebers then who cares. I think the ones all riled up are just looking for something to fight about.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 13 at 2015 6:34 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Aug 2015 06:34:04 -0400

Yes, the original motto was "E Pluribus Unem", which is, "From many, one", and that is more appropriate and all-inclusive. For the record I believe in God but I am comfortable enough in my faith that I don't feel the need to have the state publicly reaffirm it for me everywhere. The state is the state and it serves state business; the state is not the place of worship, nor should it be.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 13 at 2015 11:24 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Aug 2015 11:24:16 -0400

why not just use this, no one gets offended "E pluribus unum"

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Aug 13 at 2015 11:34 AM

SGT Ben Keen — Thu, 13 Aug 2015 11:34:52 -0400

I'm voting no. My own religious views are that everyone is entitled to trust in their God. I think here what we see in the article is that it's placement on the police vehicles was taken by some to an extreme. With all the negative comments about police around the country and people's demand of a strict separation of church and state, seeing the police cars with these words on them just got under people's skin. I do agree that we as humans have to be careful where we place our faith on display. I have no problem with you sharing your story about how God, which ever one it is, helped you but don't force your God down my throat. I grew up in the church. My father is a very successful minister and elder in the United Methodist Church and let me tell you, I've seen faith bring out the best and the worst in people. For some, having a belief in a higher power helps them, some will tell you it's only because of this higher power that they lived through an event. So the words "In God We Trust" is appropriate. I think it plays a strong role in how our government was formed and it could do some good for some people on Capital Hill to remember that there could be something or someone bigger than they that they will have to report at some time and that since the public can't trust these people generally speaking, we put our trust in the higher power that we call God.

Response by SSgt Terry P. made Aug 13 at 2015 1:42 PM

SSgt Terry P. — Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:42:24 -0400

Which God? Could mean any God for that matter.But to the point,why are we subjected to a small group of people who are offended by everything.They have the freedom to voice their opinions but have no tolerance for the opinions or rights of others .

Response by PO1 Shahida Marmol made Aug 13 at 2015 8:37 PM

PO1 Shahida Marmol — Thu, 13 Aug 2015 20:37:37 -0400

Why must we change things to appease people who moved to our country whom have different religious backgrounds? We're not forcing them to be Christians, but why are we the ones that should change? While we have freedom of religion, when did being God fearing become offensive and wrong?

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 13 at 2015 11:11 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 13 Aug 2015 23:11:54 -0400

Nope, freedom of speech, I am so sick of the political correctness storm that has taken over America.

Response by SA Harold Hansmann made Aug 13 at 2015 11:16 PM

SA Harold Hansmann — Thu, 13 Aug 2015 23:16:55 -0400

I am not Christian nor Atheist and I don't have a problem with it.
Those that do have a problem can pull up their big boy/girl panties and move along.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 14 at 2015 2:09 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Aug 2015 02:09:12 -0400

I don't see a reason to really fight against it but then again I don't see a reason to put it on police cars. I wouldn't want it on my police car. I just think this is a personal thing that someone in their agency wants to think they have some sort of favor of God or the community at least.

Response by SN Earl Robinson made Aug 14 at 2015 2:21 AM

SN Earl Robinson — Fri, 14 Aug 2015 02:21:04 -0400

I cannot and will not speak for anyone else but I will say that I trust in GOD everyday of my life and thank him/her for allowing me to open my eyes in the morning and again for allowing me to go through the day unharmed. It's the way I was raised. I praise God for all the experiences I have had and have yet to have. Some of you won't like that but I'm being honest here and hope you will respect the fact that I didn't let this post go without speaking up for my personal beliefs. I am not trying to impose my beliefs on anyone else but I try to let my life show and reflect my beliefs.

Response by SPC Margaret Higgins made Aug 14 at 2015 9:03 AM

SPC Margaret Higgins — Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:03:53 -0400

CPT Private RallyPoint Member, I mean no disrespect to you, by saying this; however,we are talking about GOD; and using the word inappropriate in the same sentence? I think that the sentence is very inappropriate; and may GOD bless the Police Chief and the Police Officers in Bonifay, Florida.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 14 at 2015 12:12 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Aug 2015 12:12:44 -0400

I don't follow a set religion but I do believe in God. I say leave "In God We Trust" alone. There are more religious people in this country then non-religious people (although it feels like today it is dwindling), and whether you are a Christian, Muslim, Jewish or whatever, you have your words for your God or deity. God is technically just a word, but different religions gave Him or them names. An example would be the Greek and Roman Gods. They hailed the gods of their belief, they didn't say 'Thank God', they said 'Thank the gods'. Again God is just a word depending on your religious beliefs.

As for the hardcore atheists, they say it's against their belief that there is a God yet rally to have anything religious banned from government and schools. Despite what atheists believe, they are a religion. They all rally for a belief in not believing and sue to have their beliefs known. This is hypocritical in the least.

Also I've noticed that atheists capitalize their belief by spelling out atheist with Atheist. If you are not a religion, why capitalize it at all?

Have atheists ever considered that people of other religions are offended by atheists beliefs that there is no higher God(s) or deity? In other words, I'm offended that they are offended by my beliefs.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Aug 14 at 2015 4:12 PM

CPT Pedro Meza — Fri, 14 Aug 2015 16:12:33 -0400

I see this from the point of view that God has become a political tool. One of the Ten Commandment addresses the issue of using God name in Vain. The Star-Spangled Banner" a poem written in 1814 by the 35-year-old lawyer and amateur poet Francis Scott Key in the War of 1812.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 14 at 2015 5:14 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 14 Aug 2015 17:14:52 -0400

I am also an Atheist. I do not intend to offend, but I will be blunt with my thoughts on this. It wasn't originally written for LCDR Private RallyPoint Member, but it fits nicely as a reply to his post...

"To those who wish it removed, let me ask this simple question that has no intended malice; What is the real problem you have with it? Is it that it excludes other religions? If so, I'd argue that a Jew, Muslim, Christian...even a follower of a "non Abrahamic" faith can agree it speaks to them. Is it because it excludes those without faith? A1C Santy-Wish I could shake your hand for your much appreciated view regarding that."

There is always a lot of talk about whether or not governments or organizations should make statements involving religion or use phrasing containing the word "god". About if that type of wording has any business in ceremonies and events.

The people who support religious phrases in official situations and the use of the word "god" by the government are, I believe, willfully ignoring that removing those statements and that wording is not in any way diminishing their beliefs or ability to practice, but merely not forcing others who do not share those beliefs to not have to endure them.

SFC Mark Merino posted a picture with the words "2015 The year America was offended by absolutely everything".

SSG Derek Scheller says "I have the words "In God We Trust" tattooed on my shoulder, it is my belief and has been in our country for a long time. I have to say that I am tired of people feeling like words offend them. "

Well, I for one, am not offended. I feel as if my government (indirectly) takes an official stand on something in which they have no business officially being involved, and that my time is being wasted when there is a prayer pause during a ceremony.

SSG Private RallyPoint Member said "We do not coerce people to believe in anything; however, there are some who believe that we must omit everything that relates to a creator because it either offends them or that they feel excluded."

It's not officially coercing people, but doesn't religious phrasing on the sides of law enforcement vehicles and posted on courthouse walls alienate the people who don't adhere do those beliefs...who are just as validly members of this society?

In the comment referred to by LCDR Gillespie A1C Private RallyPoint Member says he gets uncomfortable during award ceremonies during the prayer portion but that he is ok with it happening. I am not comfortable with that level of acceptance of the status quo. Personally, I think the whole thing should just be skipped, but, in the place of prayer or invocations there could be a moment of silence, for example, to allow people to reflect on what is important to them, to think about some aspect of what has been said, or to pray if they so choose. But, when that moment is filled with the invocation of the chaplain, well, that's the opposite situation for someone who doesn't believe. Without trying to diminish the importance of these events for the people who believe, I don't feel it's any different than if the ceremony were to pause to air several minutes of commercials. It becomes an official waste of time.

A1C Private RallyPoint Member also says, "They [the words "In God We Trust" on police cars and the Pledge of Allegiance] mean a lot to those who believe, and are just words on a car or a piece of currency. it shouldn't be more than that and people need to stop living like the only thing that matters is their feelings, and other peoples beliefs should come behind the fews feelings."

I think they should be removed for the same reasons that I imagine the Christian people supporting the phrases being there would have a different view if the phrase were Jewish, Scientologist, Hindu, Islamic, or Pastafarian. Not because people shouldn't be able to believe whatever they believe...but because the government of the U.S.A. and subordinate state and local governments should not be seen or presented as "in support of" or adherent to any particular religion, or any religion for that matter. In the same vein, they should officially make no statement and hold no belief on the existence or lack of any god. Phrasing which refers to a god implies knowledge or belief that there is one, and that's not something that the government should be implying.

"Where it could get sketchy is where you have those who aren't "believers" in "God", or any other supreme being. Another argument would be the separation of church and state hence why America has never endorsed any official religion over another. It was what made and IS making us great as a nation." - SSG Warren Swan

I agree with the sentiment of this quote, but disagree with the notion that "America has never endorsed any official religion over another". The fact that that is in question is why this conversation is taking place.

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Response by James Jones made Aug 14 at 2015 9:54 PM

James Jones — Fri, 14 Aug 2015 21:54:33 -0400

It's roughly as appropriate as me telling theists their god is the invention of a fairy tale.

Response by SPC Douglas Bolton made Aug 15 at 2015 5:14 PM

SPC Douglas Bolton — Sat, 15 Aug 2015 17:14:13 -0400

The United States was created by certain principles. Our founding fathers had many meaning to what they believed in. One was God. Not all of the leaders were Christians, but they all agreed that we are a nation that is under God, and therefore the saying has been a part of this nation for many years. It is a symbol of where we stand. It is a fortress for those who seek answers.

Response by CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) made Aug 17 at 2015 1:37 AM

CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) — Mon, 17 Aug 2015 01:37:18 -0400

I am not a bible thumper however, this country was founded by Christians and I believe our founding fathers made their intent clear. Political correctness will be the downfall of this nation. If it continues, our national flag will be grey, our national anthem will no longer exist and our national heritage will be erased from history books.

Response by SSgt Derek S. made Aug 17 at 2015 8:43 AM

SSgt Derek S. — Mon, 17 Aug 2015 08:43:59 -0400

It was the bases of the founding of this nation. If those word are inappropriate then what really do we as a nation stand for from birth. The country came about from a desire, n need for religious freedom.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2015 8:17 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 17 Aug 2015 20:17:27 -0400

Who is we, millions of Atheists don't believe in any God... they are still an important part of this nation so right off the bat we know the statement is a lie. In God Most of us Trust, would at least be honest... however it's skirting the question of who's God. Are we talking money and power, the Christian conception of God, some Native American Indian conception of God, my conception of God? So even after we make it an honest statement, it's still a meaningless statement.

It would make a lot more sense to replace it with "aspiring toward liberty and justice for all."

All that said, we have a lot bigger problems in this country than some words on our currency. Let's circle back around to this one after we've dealt with some of the economic and security challenges we face today.

Response by SSG Leo Bell made Aug 20 at 2015 3:00 PM

SSG Leo Bell — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 15:00:07 -0400

I believe it is a good use cause this country was formed under God we trust. Plus I never met a person who didn't believe in God when bullets were flying there way

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Aug 20 at 2015 5:00 PM

Sgt Kelli Mays — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 17:00:52 -0400

As you can see by reading below...."In God We Trust" has been around for a very long time...It is what we know....it's basically part of our foundation.....just because of this POLITICALLY CORRECT none sense and more people turning into Atheist or non believers.....doesn't mean that we should take away our core foundation.....if they don't like it...too bad...they don't have to convert or become believers..but what gives them a right to try and take away "ALL THINGS RELIGIOUS?"

"In God We Trust" was adopted as the official motto of the United States in 1956 as an alternative or replacement to the unofficial motto of E pluribus unum, which was adopted when the Great Seal of the United States was created and adopted in 1782. Secularists have expressed objections to its use, and have sought to have the religious reference removed from the currency.

"In God we trust" first appeared on U.S. coins in 1864 and has appeared on paper currency since 1957. A law passed in a Joint Resolution by the 84th Congress and approved by President Dwight Eisenhower on July 30, 1956 declared IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States. This motto was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate. The first paper currency bearing the motto entered circulation on October 1, 1957
The phrase appears to have originated in "The Star-Spangled Banner", written during the War of 1812. The fourth stanza includes the phrase, "And this be our motto: 'In God is our Trust.'" According to Ted Alexander, Chief Historian at Antietam National Battlefield, the contracted "In God We Trust" was first used by the 125th Pennsylvania Infantry as a battle cry on September 17, 1862, during the Battle of Antietam of the American Civil War.
"The Star-Spangled Banner", which includes the phrase "And this be our motto: In God is our Trust" in its fourth stanza

The Reverend M. R. Watkinson, in a letter dated November 13, 1861, petitioned the Treasury Department to add a statement recognizing "Almighty God in some form in our coins" in order to "relieve us from the ignominy of heathenism. At least part of the motivation was to declare that God was on the Union side of the Civil War. Treasury Secretary Salmon P. Chase acted on this proposal and directed the then-Philadelphia Director of the Mint, James Pollock, to begin drawing up possible designs that would include the religious phrase. Chase chose his favorite designs and presented a proposal to Congress for the new designs in late 1863.

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Aug 20 at 2015 5:03 PM

Sgt Kelli Mays — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 17:03:36 -0400

Why are Atheist or non believers SO VEHEMENTLY AGAINST anything RELIGIOUS??? I do not understand why they fight so hard and try and wipe everything religious off of the face of earth. What are they afraid of? No one is trying to force them to convert and find religion. MY goodness...they need to get a grip and realize if they don't believe....GREAT! they don't have to believe, but that doesn't mean that believers don't have to stop believing.

Response by MAJ Anthony Henderson made Aug 21 at 2015 9:43 AM

MAJ Anthony Henderson — Fri, 21 Aug 2015 09:43:03 -0400

It is freedom of speech and based in the founding of our nation. Where and when do we take a stand for what we believe in? If this is a free country there should be the right to keep "In God We Trust." If they do not want it on there money then they can return it or give it away. I haven't heard too many complain about it being on there. Just Saying!!!

Response by LTC Andrae Evans made Aug 27 at 2015 10:06 AM

LTC Andrae Evans — Thu, 27 Aug 2015 10:06:15 -0400

Hell, No!

Response by MSG Roy Day made Aug 27 at 2015 12:55 PM

MSG Roy Day — Thu, 27 Aug 2015 12:55:00 -0400

This is troll bait. Is rally point the new, much less user friendly, version of Facebook?

Response by CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) made Aug 30 at 2015 12:34 PM

CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret) — Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:34:04 -0400

Wow, 35% believe "In God we trust" is inappropriate? For those of you who voted this should be removed, do you know and understand our country's history? Where we came from? Who founded this country? Do you care? I would like to see the ages of those who participated...

Response by LTC Christopher Sands made Sep 4 at 2015 9:10 PM

LTC Christopher Sands — Fri, 04 Sep 2015 21:10:55 -0400

I do not really care about unhappy people. This is AMERICA! Our heritage started from people leaving a home country to come here be to able to practice any religion in freedom.

Response by SGT Scott Bell made Sep 7 at 2015 4:37 PM

SGT Scott Bell — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 16:37:40 -0400

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Sep 7 at 2015 5:07 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 17:07:20 -0400

If the decal has been there since the 1950s, when the phrase became relatively common, like on our money (paper currency), then no it shouldn't be removed.

If they are slapping it on now (as per the article), then yes.

That's the (representatives) of the Government intentionally stirring the pot. Seriously. It's on the exact same line as putting a manger on the courthouse during Christmas, or putting the 10 Commandments on government property.

If it was there before, fine. If you want to put there now. Bad #$^&$ idea. Don't we have better things to do?!?

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2015 5:33 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 17:33:12 -0400

Putting the phrase everywhere in the 50s was establishment of monotheism then, and it's still establishment now. The American motto was and should still be "E pluribus unum".

Response by SGM Gregory Hoppe made Sep 7 at 2015 5:49 PM

SGM Gregory Hoppe — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 17:49:47 -0400

Absolutely not. 10 years in uniform and 15 years as a Detective, besides my partners, it was always In God I Trust and it was he brought me home, sometimes battered and bruised, but always there to show me the next day.

Response by MAJ Jim Steven made Sep 7 at 2015 6:03 PM

MAJ Jim Steven — Mon, 07 Sep 2015 18:03:14 -0400

for the longest time, my answer would have been, "hell, no!"
But I had a friend point out, what if you aren't Christian?? In a way, they are saying something is wrong with you, or that you are different, or that you don't fit in - and that always made me think...
For instance, what if they starting putting "praise allah" on police cars, and then you have to wonder, I being treated different by this cop because I am Christian??
When people say, "black lives matter," in a way, aren't they saying, "and screw everyone else?"

Response by CMSgt James Nolan made Sep 8 at 2015 9:16 AM

CMSgt James Nolan — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 09:16:47 -0400

I am not going to enter into a religious debate. I am old school in my thinking on this. In court, I do not affirm, I swear to God. I have no issue on a PD putting that phrase on their squads. And, if that is what the City wants to do, then do it. If the people in THAT community want that sign removed, then THEY should take action, and it should not matter what some activist says.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Sep 8 at 2015 9:29 AM

MCPO Roger Collins — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 09:29:12 -0400

Sure right after it is removed from our currency and all government facilities. (sarcasm)

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 8 at 2015 9:35 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Sep 2015 09:35:27 -0400

I think that would be a huge mistake. In a society that wants to remove God from everything, the last place that needs God remove is police force. In the current state of our nation, the men and women of the various police forces need God more than ever!

Response by TSgt John Temblador, PI, CIPA made Nov 5 at 2015 9:02 AM

TSgt John Temblador, PI, CIPA — Thu, 05 Nov 2015 09:02:34 -0500

An important aspect of our system of government is that it is based on the Rule of Law. This concept is a direct descendant of Hebrew law and the Ten Commandments. Together with the concept of unalienable rights from God, these concepts helped ensure a way of life that respected the dignity of every individual. The combination of these biblical concepts is a foundation of our government that helps subjugate political power of potential tyrants. One only has to notice how every tyrant has a practice of changing the country's constitution to suit himself (or to butter the bread of those who put him in power).

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2015 9:14 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Nov 2015 09:14:40 -0500

I voted no. Simply because the entity/word God isn't limited to a single religion. If you're one of the "A"s - you should have thicker skin and get over the fact that the majority of the world believes in some sort of higher power.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2015 10:19 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Nov 2015 10:19:52 -0500

I think the phase in the fourth verse is "In God is our trust." Not to split hairs....

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2015 11:02 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Nov 2015 11:02:13 -0500

Making that the national motto was a McCarthy-era shaming tactic. Like most historic things, I believe it should remain where it already is, but I do not believe it should be added to anything governmental where it is not.

The city council in Hendersonville, NC just voted to add it to the 1800's Historic Courthouse. That seems to violate the Constitution to me. We should not pick and choose from the Constitution based on what we personally like or don't like.

Response by SSG Richard Reilly made Nov 5 at 2015 1:26 PM

SSG Richard Reilly — Thu, 05 Nov 2015 13:26:21 -0500

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner
Read the full lyrics.

The Star-Spangled Banner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Star-Spangled Banner" is the national anthem of the United States of America. The lyrics come from "Defence of Fort M'Henry",[1] a poem written in 1814 by the 35-year-old lawyer and amateur poet Francis Scott Key after witnessing the bombardment of Fort McHenry by British ships of the Royal Navy in Baltimore Harbor during the Battle of Fort McHenry in the War of 1812.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2015 2:47 AM

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 23 Nov 2015 02:47:24 -0500

Regardless of the Country's current liberal disposition which I have nothing against, our conservative roots respect that fact that we as a Nation believe in God. It doesn't take anything away from anyone, but we can agree that there's no one Country in the World that has a monotheistic value system.

Even though we all understand the Christian roots of this Country...'In God We Trust' resonates with every religion who believes that there's God. But in a nutshell it keeps our identification as a Nation that believes there's God somewhere.

As for a more detailed discussion as to our hypocritical attitude towards God in general is a completely different topic, which beggars for a whole range of diverse inclinations.

Response by TSgt Dave Beem made Nov 23 at 2015 9:53 AM

TSgt Dave Beem — Mon, 23 Nov 2015 09:53:01 -0500

Well, the US Constitution predates the "In God We Trust" idea. But to me that's at the FEDERAL level, not the state. The states DO have the right to approve or BAN such wording (and the ones who do are usually just trying to avoid a lawsuit from the ACLU or bad publicity or expensive litigation). To me, if a statue or stone has been sitting there for 50 or a hundred years, then the population of that STATE should decide. NOT the legislature of that state, it SHOULD be an open vote of the state's entire population. Whatever results come out of it, there should be an addendum stating that "the people have decided..no lawsuit are allowed EXCEPT a test against the constitution of the United States", so unless the supreme court wants to hear the case, they can stuff it.

Remember that ALL islamic countries that are non secular wind up promoting ONE religion over all others. Yes, America was founded by for the most part christians. But over the years we've gained an unbelieveable amount of beliefs, all different from one another. The constitution guarantees freedom of religion, and cannot endorse one religion over another. That's the FEDERAL government. Judging from what I just read in my "pocket" copy of the constitution, states can't either. But since nearly every religion known to man has but a single GOD, well, we're all children of Abraham, right? And as for the 10 commandments, Moses predates Christianity by quite a few years, right?

Dave

Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Nov 23 at 2015 1:17 PM

SSG Audwin Scott — Mon, 23 Nov 2015 13:17:40 -0500

It's our American History and the traditions of those that stood before us to believe and trust in God! Now with differences in opinions and more following the Freedom of Religion rule, this only seems to be inappropriate to those that choose not to believe in a supreme higher being.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Dec 18 at 2015 8:43 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Fri, 18 Dec 2015 20:43:20 -0500

Yes, Against our Separation of Church and State and Offensive to those of us that believe in what Matt 22:21 says. Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, Give unto God what is God's. It is just a disgusting reminder of our behavior during the "Red Scare".

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2016 11:57 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 24 Jan 2016 23:57:05 -0500

I have yet to meet an atheist in combat. True story

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Mar 13 at 2018 1:50 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Tue, 13 Mar 2018 13:50:58 -0400

I don't believe so- worship is up to the person. But isn't strange that almost all of our laws are based on religion/ten commandments? We/they forced God out of the schools, and many families- now look at the increase in kid shooting up schools, and that there is 14 kids per day committing suicide , and 432 per day getting medical aid for being "cutters". I prefer to trust God, Man is too gullible and wishy-washy.

Response by SPC David Willis made Mar 13 at 2018 2:04 PM

SPC David Willis — Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:04:58 -0400

Most of us non believers don't give two shits what's written on the money we use to buy things, and to be honest I feel that while a vocal minority of us do get offended much of the advancement of the stories come from Christians. If yall would just chill and ignore idiots when they say things like this people would say them less often and it would go away.

Response by SFC Dennis A. made Mar 13 at 2018 4:21 PM

SFC Dennis A. — Tue, 13 Mar 2018 16:21:38 -0400

It just isn't inappropriate.

Response by MAJ James Woods made Mar 13 at 2018 5:09 PM

MAJ James Woods — Tue, 13 Mar 2018 17:09:24 -0400

I get we're a Christian Nation that placed in our laws that we'll respect every religion observed within our borders. We also have to consider time, place, and purpose for the slogan. For four years at Notre Dame, the patch worn on the Army ROTC uniform I wore had a cross and bible on it. I'm not Catholic and at times I joked about being a holy warrior because when compared to the patches of fellow cadets from other programs, ours came off very religious. The program eventually changed the patch years later.
Law enforcement is enforcing secular laws that apply to everyone. There is no need for the religiously motivated motto to appear on uniforms and vehicles. No issue with it as one of the mottos of our nation since it represents our history.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Mar 13 at 2018 6:41 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Tue, 13 Mar 2018 18:41:52 -0400

I just think it's a tacit endorsement of religion, personally, and it doesn't represent the people of this country. Think about it. "In god we trust". Says who? Who did you ask? Did you poll everyone? Which god? There are several thousand being worshipped right now. Why god singular? Why not gods, plural? That's the more accurate statement, given the prevalence of polytheism, and demi deities in even monotheistic faiths. And is it even an accurate statement? Even the most faithful and religious of people still look both ways before crossing the street. On a subconscious level, we all know deep down that it's our actions and decisions that shape our life, not some ethereal deity's plan... Ultimately, in reality, it's in ourselves that we trust.

Response by SFC Greg Bruorton made Mar 13 at 2018 11:04 PM

SFC Greg Bruorton — Tue, 13 Mar 2018 23:04:58 -0400

For a topic that is two years old my response would be the same: Put God back in our schools, courts, colleges, and military. The eroding of our reverence toward the omnipotent Father in Heaven and in His Son, Jesus Christ through the years is a deplorable state of affairs and a great disappointment for me.

Captain Michelle C's narrative says it best and there is little need to be redundant with her comments.