Are too many ROTC Cadets pushed into an MOS in which they are not suited?

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Jan 2015 22:32:30 -0500

When I was in "Cadet Land" I had a crazy PMS (Professor of Military Science) who would not acknowledge any MOS outside Combat Arms, nor would the PMS or Assistant PMS provide guidance for those seeking an MOS within medical studies. I always thought to myself, "Look Rambo, if you don't encourage / support those that want to serve in a medical capacity, then who is going to help you when you get shot?" Most of my graduating class ended up Infantry, Armor, etc because it was the "next best thing" due to not receiving the proper guidance to pursue their actual interest. Some individuals ended up in branches completely unrelated to their interest due to the Army's needs. This was just a random thought that crossed my mind and I wanted to know if anyone else experienced the lack of support for pursuing an MOS outside Combat Arms.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2015 10:37 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 23 Jan 2015 22:37:33 -0500

I'm an Armor Cavalryman, but know we need all types.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2015 2:42 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 02:42:46 -0500

I think the part that is hazy for many cadets is that leadership is not a branch specific qualification. The ability to connect with and understand Soldiers without crossing the line towards unprofessionalism is what all commissioning sources strive to achieve for their cadets beyond just precommissioning requirements. I went to West Point where everything was INFANTRY RANGER INFANTRY RANGER and I didn't learn that Infantry Rangers were not the end-all-be-all of the Army until I became an artilleryman. The funny thing about combat arms though, is that it seems to produce the most disciplined troops. Maybe because they're the ones who need to be to maximize mission accomplishment and minimize unacceptable risks. I think the idea behind reinforcing combat arms is that, even if you do not go that route, you may still take some of that discipline borne out of necessity with you to whichever branch the Army decides you belong in. Now I can't say definitively that this is the case, but I like to think there is a grain of truth behind it.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2015 2:57 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 25 Jan 2015 02:57:26 -0500

Had no issue going MS, but that was b/c I went Guard and was able to find a slot in the State. Pretty much plug and play.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2015 12:49 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 May 2015 00:49:47 -0400

When I was in ROTC most of the infantry slots went to people at the top or the bottom of the list!

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made May 17 at 2015 9:53 AM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Sun, 17 May 2015 09:53:14 -0400

In AFROTC it was "be a pilot if you're physically qualified." After that, it was needs of the AF unless you had a high demand skill or ability. My classmate who graduated with a degree in Languages with concentration in Russian and German had no problem getting into the intelligence career field. (Remember I graduated college in 1969. Cold war in full swing.)

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 17 at 2015 12:22 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 May 2015 12:22:03 -0400

Unfortunately, it sounds as though you simply encountered a PMS with a severe Combat Arms bias. Although it may have seemed that he was pushing a "Combat Arms" or bust agenda, it is perhaps possible that his true intent was to push each of you to excel in all aspects of Cadet life; academically, physically, ethically, and fundamentally as a future Officer. Whereas selection to the Combat Arms branches is fiercely competitive, if a Cadet can position his or herself on the OML so as to be a voting competitor for one of these highly-coveted slots, it only stands to reason that the Cadet will stand an even stronger chance of getting their first choice of branch in the CS or CSS realms.

As for the rest of your concerns about the Infantry-centric focus of ROTC, bear in mind, at our core, we are all leaders of Soldiers, and as such, must know how to lead and employ thm in combat, regardless of the branch we are ultimately selected to. FM 7-8, your "bible" in ROTC is the foundation upon which your professional skills as an Officer is established.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made May 17 at 2015 12:41 PM

SrA Edward Vong — Sun, 17 May 2015 12:41:52 -0400

There are as many ROTC cadets pushed into career fields in which they are not suited for as their are enlisted members in career fields not suited for them.

We still have to do our best to complete the mission and what is given to us.