Are we ignoring the problem of immigration by not fixing the problem of expired visas?

2016-06-27T13:57:07-04:00

Nobody is sure how many people are in the U.S. on expired visas. There is no current comprehensive system to assure that the immigration authorities know whether persons who have been admitted as nonimmigrants remain in the country illegally. The illegal aliens who do not leave when their entry permit expires are referred to as overstayers. The current debate on immigration reform has as a central issue the question of how to combat illegal immigration, and that debate usually revolves around the issue of border control. But, how we gain control over the nations borders deals with only part of the illegal immigration problem because it obscures the issue of the overstayers.
To understand the importance of the overstayer issue, it is important to have an idea of who they are, how many are they, how do they get away with violating the immigration law, what has been done to try to reduce the nation’s vulnerability to these lawbreakers, and what more can be done.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Jun 27 at 2016 2:01 PM

2016-06-27T14:01:03-04:00

Great Point!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2016 2:05 PM

2016-06-27T14:05:20-04:00

Yes, they are completely separate issues.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2016 2:14 PM

2016-06-27T14:14:09-04:00

Good point for sure! I don't know how valid this is, but i read somewhere that most illegal immigrants actually came here legally, rid making beefing up border protection not the most effective way to address the issue

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Jun 27 at 2016 2:23 PM

2016-06-27T14:23:08-04:00

Expired visas are not an immigration problem. We give the Left too many opportunities to accuse us of being anti-immigration when we conflate trespass, invasion, and visa violations with "immigration".

Response by MSG Stan Hutchison made Jun 27 at 2016 2:58 PM

2016-06-27T14:58:04-04:00

Keep in mind that the terrorist on 9/11 came here legally, then "overstayed." This is indeed an issue that should be addressed immediately and incorporated into a comprehensive immigration program.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Jun 27 at 2016 3:14 PM

2016-06-27T15:14:34-04:00

Fact is, you cannot reside in the US with any reasonable standard of living without working. Working requires you are a legal citizen or have a work permit as a nonresident.
The issue of how to deal with over stayers (what a crock, it's called illegal alien) is as simple and as difficult as .. Enforcing the law on the book. (With maybe a few new twists...lol) Announce to all business owners or those listed on the corporation leadership documents, CEO, CFO, LLC partners, all of them, inform them that have 90 days to ID and fire anyone that doesn't have a valid work permit or proof of citizenship. at day 91 start Inspect companies that have more than xx number employees.. If so much as one illegal employee is found, pretrial confinement immediately, no bail, the company or corporation leadership, owners, ect. Seize all business assets, to include personal in the case of LLC owners... All assets to be auctioned off and revenue to go to TWO state accounts.. The first pays for the trial costs, deportation of illegals and incarceration of the offenders. The second account to be used to support those immigrants here legally, and in process of becoming citizens. Continue the process until company and corporations understand there are no loop holes, no exceptions, no getting away from it. Not by connections, money, power.. illegal employee = long jail time, loss of ALL assets personal and corporation/company.

And Immigration, at the get go is a whole nother deal. there needs to be a clear, easy to understand path to legal citizenship.. that starts with documentation and security vetting

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2016 3:16 PM

2016-06-27T15:16:44-04:00

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member so long as they vote democratic, this administration doesn't care.

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Jun 27 at 2016 3:34 PM

2016-06-27T15:34:00-04:00

A few years ago, a friends brother in-law was deported for over staying his visa, He was from England. Does that count?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2016 4:21 PM

2016-06-27T16:21:30-04:00

i do so hate to say this but my cousin married to mexican, deported twice still came back is now recieving benefits for pancreatic cancer, her fist husband serving time in prison also mexican child molestation put the fn wall up

Response by LTC John Griscom made Oct 20 at 2018 8:53 AM

2018-10-20T08:53:00-04:00

Since the State Department issues the visas, it should be the entity that tracks the individual. Not sure what procedure follows when the visa expires, but one would think that information would passed to ICE for followup.