Are we making real progress in our fight to eliminate sexual assaults in the military?

COL Charles Williams — Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:08:19 -0500

"In the war against sexual assault, the Army keeps shooting itself in the foot."

Annual cases reported to the Defense Department have more than doubled since 2007. Pentagon officials say troops are now more likely to file reports because they have greater trust in the military to investigate complaints and protect victims.

According to Pentagon officials, the increase is actually a sign of progress. They say troops are more likely to report assaults than in the past because they have more faith in the military to properly investigate such crimes.

That assertion, however, has been undercut by a rash of scandals.

Now, we knew, when we started down this road in 2009/2010, that before we solved this, reports would increase dramatically, because we knew sexual assaults are historically dramatically under-reported.

That said, are we making progress? Real progress? This article leads us to believe otherwise.

Frustrating, to say the least.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/12/19/in-the-war-against-sexual-assault-the-army-keeps-shooting-itself-in-the-foot/?hpid=hp_hp-cards_no-name:homepage/card

In the war against sexual assault, the Army keeps shooting itself in the foot

There have been a string of previously undisclosed cases in which soldiers entrusted with key roles in the campaign against sexual assault and harassment have, in turn, been accused of committing those very offenses.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Dec 21 at 2015 10:19 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:19:34 -0500

This isn't a training issue, it 's a parenting issue. If a person, after 18 years of parenting, doesn't know sexual assault is wrong, doesn't know right from wrong, then their parents failed to instill both empathy and common sense. There is nothing any training, program, Powerpoint, vignette, or NCO can do to fix that. In the little time we have them, we can't fix 18 years of bad parenting.

The only thing you can do is ensure you recruit only the highest caliber personnel. The kind of people to whom sexual misconduct is inconceivable in the first place. So long as we keep accepting sub par people in, we will always have a problem.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2015 10:19 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:19:45 -0500

If one reads the courts-martial in the Army Times, the war against assaults is not going well. Yes, the people committing these acts are getting caught and punished.....but the acts of violence are still happening.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2015 10:27 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:27:34 -0500

Sir,

Two parts:
Is sexual harassment in the military really as bad as it is portrayed?
A large number of cases are filed for frivolous reasons and inflate the number while having no foundation. They also detract and take up resources from cases that have merit.
Could the evidence or lack of evidence, the background of the accuser, ambiguity of statements be factors that were known to the command and have been a reason he was allowed to remain? We don't know the facts of the case, not knowing what the facts are leave us with a limited ability to judge.

It would seem those in positions of authority would be bright enough to have seen the consequences of senior ranking members falling into this situation and avoid it like the plague. Does too much of the old "boys club" mentality of looking out for each other or believing they are above reproach exist? Is this mentality what kept Kepner in place during an active investigation. If so then should the command structure be investigated for impropriety?

Response by 1LT Christopher Sorge made Dec 21 at 2015 10:59 AM

1LT Christopher Sorge — Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:59:30 -0500

It starts with our leaders. Leaders must continue to take a zero tolerance stand on sexual harassment and sexual assault.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2015 11:22 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:22:48 -0500

At the company level, I know that certain things I have put in place has made a difference. I don't think I would have had an assault in my ranks (who does?), but I do think that I've mitigated the risk some.
1. We are a Family. Do not mess with your Family.
2. It is not her honor or his honor at stake, it is our honor at stake. Every one of us is tarnished when something like this happens.
3. If you hear talk veering towards the unprofessional. Fix it. Right there, right now. I HAVE YOUR BACK if you need to do this. Unquestionably.
4. Alcohol at events is not prohibited, because you are not children. But the environment will have control measures, to mitigate mistakes and regrets.

I think we all do what we can, sir. This is not the center of my universe, but I know very well just how destructive sexual assault and harassment is to a unit's cohesion and ability to accomplish it's mission.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Dec 21 at 2015 11:59 AM

MCPO Roger Collins — Mon, 21 Dec 2015 11:59:47 -0500

The issue is that we are always applying a patch to a wound, while not looking underneath the patch. More time should be spent trying to find the root cause. IMO, Hagel and Carter are to blame for much of the debauchery that results in sexual assault. Further, more effort should be taken to see how this occurred and the activities of the individuals involved to ascertain, if the assault charge is validated. Expanding the reporting has created a bubble and there are many that use this as a means of getting back at someone that they have had a problem with post-agreeable sexual encounter. Considering it a form of PTSD resulting in a disability claim is in the formula, also. When a senior NCO or Commander is charged, I would doubt that it is the first time. If they have overlooked similar charges, then their senior should also be charged. With the mix we have in the military, sexual assault occurs to male, female and everything else that we now consider acceptable in the ranks. Kepner's boss should be fired, along with him.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2015 2:32 PM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:32:50 -0500

If you had told me 30 years ago that sexual assaults were happening in my Air Force family I would have called you a liar. Unfortunately though there is overwhelming data that proves otherwise, and while we have increased the awareness of it, by doing so we have also increased the confidence in victims to report incidents which can make the problem look even worse.

I believe anytime you increase awareness of an issue though, you are making progress to solving it.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Dec 21 at 2015 2:57 PM

CPT Pedro Meza — Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:57:59 -0500

We are not making real progress, I say this because the same happened in 1994 and nothing came of that, back then I reported of a Spec 4 who was viciously raped by her drill instructor in 1984 and this has continued to happen as long as the chain of command has control.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 22 at 2015 6:03 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Dec 2015 06:03:47 -0500

Sir:

BLUF: SHARP is an issue because it doesn't tackle the problem objectively ie the victim is always the victim and it does not account for false accusations.

Here is the issue with sexual assault/rape in the military--and this is based on my own personal experience with the program--: rape is not clearly defined and there are incentives to filing sexual assault claims in the military. Here's my current situation:

I had a Soldier accuse me of raping her. Whatever charges she had pending against her were dropped and she was immediately PCS'd to America. CID then began to conduct an investigation into my entire past (all 50 states and all).

They come up on my ex-wife. Having filed several claims against me (10 in family court and 1 in criminal court for 2nd degree harassment; all unfounded) and never bringing up sexual violence, she files several rape claims against me and gives several names of women, to whom CID should talk. It has been 5 years and we are still dealing with custody issues and she stated in an email that I am a "sperm donor" and that "[she fights me] and nail and
would gladly sacrifice every single thing that [she has] to make [me] disappear from his life."

One girl claims that I raped her; however, she claims that I did not use any force, nor did she say no. She claims that I was "psychologically manipulative."

Another girl claims that I followed her into her house and that I assaulted her; however, she and I were living together and I had the keys to her apartment. She claims that we were just a fling despite letters emails against these claims.

I currently have the following restrictions in place: restricted to post, leave and pass privileges revoked, cannot consume alcohol, and I have to be in my room from 2200-0500. It has been this way for 10 months. I currently have been awaiting court martial for 15 months. Court martial is not until March 1.

So one year ago, I started working on a project called WithU. It is an app that will help decrease the amount of gray area and help make things a little more black and white. It is not perfect yet; however, we are working to perfect it.
http://www.facebook.com/withutheapp

TL;DR: WithU is our solution to fixing the SHARP issues in the military.

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Response by SSG Terry Back (Martin-Back) made Dec 22 at 2015 6:39 AM

SSG Terry Back (Martin-Back) — Tue, 22 Dec 2015 06:39:03 -0500

The atmosphere of today's service members is completely different from when I entered the military 40 years ago. The nonchalant attitude of the sexual experience among high school adolescence is extremely prevalent and after they leave their peer group, (whether high school or college), they expect it to follow them. Living in a college town and near Florida beaches, I witness this attitude frequently as well as overhear provocative language coming from both men and women. It was brought up in an earlier thread; parental guidance. The ability of children to access pornography and lack of adult supervision has created much of the current problem we are having within our local communities. Changing the mental will take training as well as discipline and putting out into the faces of everyone; respect and professionalism.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 22 at 2015 8:57 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Dec 2015 08:57:28 -0500

Now days when people want to correct a problem they talk about eliminating the problem, this however is not possible. Getting rid of sexual assault permanently is not possible and yet every time I have had a sharp brief or discussed it with the representatives and NCO's the implied goal and by there statements is to eliminate. So I will anger people who are gung-ho about sharp with the truth.

We will NEVER completely eliminate sexual assault and sexual harassment.

BUT. We can drastically reduce the incidences by proper and compleat investigations, prosecuting the violator, and publicly announcing what he did and the punishment for that act. Especially in small community's out side of modern society public punishment is meant so that every one will know that it will be them up there if they do what "he" did. If we do not know what the punishment is and how heavy it is what motivation is there for others to stay away from these acts? I had a co who would not just post it to a bilirubin board, he would have the company in formation and read court findings from sexual harassment and assault to dui and the punishments the soldier received, and before finishing he would say that if we did these things it would be our names in the reports. This is what must happen announce there was a criminal act and the courts judgment and make it personal to those listening that if they do these things the report will be about them.

Now to clarify even more why we will never eliminate sexual assault.

There will always be people who regardless of the law will do what they want. To keep these people from perpetrating the crime requires vigilance on the parts of countless soldiers to watch their brothers and sisters backs and to take the responsibility to head off the problem wether it be warn the intended target get a leader or a cop to take care of it. There will be some times where we didn't see it coming or they acted at a time when even our vigilance could not help the only thing we can do then is to find the truth, prosecute if they did commit the crime, publicly announce the punishment, and warn that if someone els does what they did it will be them up there next.

As long as people are willing to get what they want however they want even going outside of the law there will always be people who commit this crime. But with the methods above and others besides we can greatly reduce the times we here about this crime being committed.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2015 8:53 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 08:53:14 -0500

This is such a difficult question to truly answer. Are there efforts in place to reduce sexual assaults? Yes, unfortunately the term itself hurts our progress. The range of sexual assault encompasses so many possible crimes from wrongful sexual contact to actual sexual penetration. The days of "good games" are a form of sexual assault depending on the victim. It does not mean it's acceptable but unfortunately politics have gotten involved and in my personal opinion have skewed the actual numbers as either side of the issue can generate a position by looking at the numbers they generate. How many actual rapes occur would be a number of concern, but sexual assault is such a wide range, the numbers include many other crimes which do not give a true representation of the issue. The Army has been very proactive in reducing these incidents in relation to the civilian side. Restricted and unrestricted reporting is huge and the most recent changes regarding expansion of the circle of trust benefits victims without triggering an investigation. Lastly, treating our Soldiers with respect and mentoring them with personal responsibility and accountability for their actions is a huge benefit if done properly. I know I rambled on this issue but the biggest point I wanted to make is the numbers issue and how politics have gotten involved. The Army is doing much more than any other organization in the world.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2015 10:52 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 10:52:40 -0500

The SHARP Program is, in and of itself, ineffective. Most units treat it like they do any other "check the block" training; as a result the SM's aren't taking it seriously. Forcing them to undergo the same training with the same slides and the Same videos over and over again doesn't fix the problem, it only makes them tune out.
One of my SM's was raped by a civilian/ family member of a military spouse while under the influence of a date rape drug in while stationed in a foreign country and this is what I learned:
*The SARC rep was completely unprepared for our call. They acted as if it were the first time they'd ever dealt with a sexual assault victim
*The physician had not been properly trained in how to do a rape-kit and botched the whole procedure, even down to forgetting to take pictures of the bruising and physical signs of assault and did Not do a blood test for drugs.
*The Lawyer was a temp stand in for the actual, trained legal counsel and had no idea what they were doing.
*The MP's and CID Questioned the Owner of the home where the assault occurred BEFORE questioning the alleged rapist (a family member) and then, didn't pick up the alleged rapist until much later---not only giving the family time to warn the Civilian Guest but also, clean up any evidence the victim had been in the Home. They never searched the home for physical evidence, of which I was told, there was plenty. The perpetrator got on a plane back to the U.S several days later without being charged.
*The Spouse/sister of the alleged perpetrator began harassing the SM on line, spread false rumors to the community and followed the SM on post to intimidate them. If it were not for this family member, no one would have known of the alleged assault. The Spouse even went so far as to contact the SM's CSM and make false allegations to smear the SM's good name in her unit. When the SM protested she was told there was nothing to be done because it wasn't a service member but their spouse who was the perpetrator of the harassment. As a result, the SM was forced to take a compassionate reassignment if for no other reason than to flee the harassment.
The case was never followed up on or went any further. The SM is now considering a civil case once they return to the United States, against both the military spouse and the alleged rapist. It is the only recourse they feel is left to them.
You ask if we are making progress? I say, NO, we are not. The entire system is broken. SARC's and doctors are not being properly trained; Military law enforcement are still acting under a "the victim is always suspect/lying" mentality and not properly executing their duties; the lawyers for the victims are under-staffed and under-trained. And victims are given little or no recourse beyond being forced to uproot their own lives and careers, in effect, making them a victim twice.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2015 6:47 PM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 18:47:28 -0500

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/10/is-sexual-assault-really-an-epidemic/

Short of it is, we're no worse than the society that we recruit from. Is it anything to be proud of? Maybe not, but we're not the cesspool of sexual deviancy that we are made out to be.

(As a former defense counsel, I can also say that that the rate at which this issue was lied about is astounding. A former MOJO once told me "women would never lie about something like that." I still laugh at the idea that women lie, cheat, steal and kill, but somehow would never lie about sexual assault.)

Is Sexual Assault Really an ‘Epidemic’?

The U.S. military actually looks pretty good compared to, say, college.

Response by TSgt Keith Wright made Dec 23 at 2015 11:27 PM

TSgt Keith Wright — Wed, 23 Dec 2015 23:27:03 -0500

Col, I am not aware of new policies or regulations as I am retired. However may I suggest working with OSI in taking a look at some Youtube hypnosis videos that encurage negative sexual behavior with over 100,000 views, these are disturbing. There are also hypnosis on homocide, suicide, and reckless driving, as well as dream state manipulation. Its like the creation of PTSD, anyways these videos have hundreds of thousands of Views. Do we have Hundreds of thousands Islamic Iranians meditating on these videos and chanting peoples names? I have no idea, clean up the internet and see who posts this crap and see if their part of some Enemy combative PSY OPS unit. By deleting these videos could possibly reduce sexual assaults I don’t know, but it wouldn’t hurt having this off the internet and I cant understand hundreds of thousands of Views, that’s allot of people in deep meditation.

Thank you Col,
TSGT Keith Wright USAF RET
Dr of Divinity.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2015 12:36 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 00:36:51 -0500

The Army will continue to have this problem as no amount of training will ever fix a character flaw. The program is flawed. It leans to protect the whistle blower or victim and I have seen it used to carry out personal vendettas against other Soldiers. I think the best way to stop these issues is that the Army take a very hard line stance and commit to punishing the offenders and the false accusers. This is the only program in the Army that allows a Soldier who lacks integrity to make false claims, sometimes ruin another Soldier's career and continue to serve. I had a very young female Soldier make a complaint on a SGT. During the investigation it was found the SGT was a bad egg, but it was also found the female was the antagonist in most discussions, only made the complaint because her boyfriend didn't like the SGT, and she was caught by a SSG drawing penises in other Soldiers headgear. The SGT deserved to leave from what turned up from the investigation, but this Soldier did not have reason to file a complaint when she was found to have been breaking the same thing she was complaining about. Absolutely nothing was done to the female Soldier for fear it would send a message that the victims would be punished. I hate that defense of you are in the right, then you shouldn't have anything to fear, but if you are doing the same behavior you are complaining about then there should be some punishment levied against the complainant as well. My wife was sexually harassed on a daily basis by a Naval Chief while she was detailed to work at a Naval Brig. The complaints she did went nowhere because the Navy pointed her to the Army and vice versa. When it finally got traction three months later the Naval command at the brig made such a toxic work environment that she was fired, RFC NCOER done all for not providing a phone number to a military unit while she was on convalescent leave. The system and training is flawed and until we address the lack of character in service members we are going to continue to see a rise in sexual assaults and harassments each year.

Response by CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2015 4:12 AM

CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 04:12:31 -0500

Colonel, sexual assaults in the military are fractions of the level of those in the civilian world. We want the number to be zero, and reporting is up, but the number will never be zero. Especially with the entitled kids that are being processed through basic. It's not the same army you joined sir. People doing terrible things in basic aren't processed out because the Ds's believe AIT will deal with it. Then in AIT people pass the buck to the unit. We get rotten eggs in our ranks that never were meant to be there. It's not the only reason, but it is a contributing factor. Just like with most issues, we need to nip them when they're small. Most people don't want to give a colonel unpleasant news which is ludicrous because they're often the person to set the ball rolling on change.

Response by SFC Pete Kain made Dec 24 at 2015 11:53 AM

SFC Pete Kain — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 11:53:27 -0500

Going coed with hormonally charged young people, add the gung ho attitude and what could possibly go wrong.
The Army isn't doing the shooting, it's the politicians and the social engineering being foisted on the Military. Just my humble opinion.

Response by TSgt Keith Wright made Dec 25 at 2015 10:54 AM

TSgt Keith Wright — Fri, 25 Dec 2015 10:54:49 -0500

Col, Several years ago around 20010-2011, a Pentagon Official was involved in sexual misconduct and President Obama deemed that issue an issue surrounding what is known as a “UCI” (Unlawfull Command Influence). President Obama then stated anyone involved in Sexual Misconduct under a “UCI” will not be punished under the UCMJ. Then about 1 year later another sexual misconduct case occurred and then President Obama stated that any sexual misconduct even if it’s done threw a UCI will be prosecuted under the UCMJ. What’s interesting is that the ominous nature of a UCI. Theirs a name for Influence operations in the military. Just because someone joined the military does not mean they want to be influenced to leave a unit Afghanistan like Bergdhal did, or any other social behavior unacceptable to man kind. How do we prosecute Bergdhal when we don’t even fully understand Mind Sciences? Its like the dark ages drilling a hole in the head to relieve a Headach. Sen Lee Land Yee was arrested for peddling State Sponserd Influence as well as guns. Anyways we need to exaimine the reasons our troops are influenced, our troops are not prisoners, their not people who had a choice between prison and military service, our enlisted force is made up of Dr’s, Engineers, Masters Degrees, under grad degrees etc. One day our Enlisted force will fully realize and understand the Command Influence.

Think about it UCI’s its pretty ominous isn’t it?

Response by TSgt Keith Wright made Dec 27 at 2015 11:10 AM

TSgt Keith Wright — Sun, 27 Dec 2015 11:10:32 -0500

Col, This video is done by Imperator David Griffin, he points out a man who has a following of over 130,000 followers who subscribe to black magic and human sacrifice. Weather the information that David Griffin discusses is accepoted or disputed is not the point for me introducing the video here. The point as to why I introduce this video is because over 130,000 people follow one guy who teaches human sacrifice, sexual misconduct, encuragement of suicide and other issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26INgKqmZyw

Currently we have 22 Veterans commit suicide everyday, we also have had 100’000s of names stolen from the VA. None of the names were used for financial scams. The names I believe are used for “influence”.
We know UCI’s, Command Infleunce, what about ECI’s Enemy Command Influence? Or what about influence from Domestic Influence, which would be a Domstic Attack threw the use of Influence. What if a Commander is influenced to send a bunch of tanks into the nearby town and start blowing things up just because of some Influence and not because of a real threat? We had better get a very good grasp of “Influence operations” no matter if their at the command level or on the front lines. I guess its also referd to as mind wars. Anyways its disturbing and it needs to be dealt with. Iran chants death to America, they say its not that they want us to die but they want the way we think to die.

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Response by TSgt Keith Wright made Dec 27 at 2015 7:26 PM

TSgt Keith Wright — Sun, 27 Dec 2015 19:26:08 -0500

Col, if UCI’s are Unlawfull Command Influence that can be attributed to sexual misconduct then we should scrutinize any and all influence the Military comes across. That being said the RTC Religious Technology Center owned and Operated by Scientology should be exaimined. As Ford Motor Company and other companies are clients of the RTC. The Military Buys Ford products, so what is the RTC doing with Ford? What other companies does the DOD deal where the RTC is related as a third party? The DOD should have a Purchase policy where all products purchased by the DOD are free of influence or some mysterious religious technology.

Response by TSgt Keith Wright made Dec 30 at 2015 8:13 PM

TSgt Keith Wright — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 20:13:45 -0500

Col, I have one last comment on Sexual Misconduct in the DOD. President Obama recognized that UCI’s can cause sexual Misconduct. That being said if someone were to hire Malcom Mcfarlan who authord Sick Systems and is a KKK Wizard who is related to Greg Mcfarlan at the West Buro Babtist Church and who is also a KKK Wizard these guys charge 1,500 per person for influence. Now what they would need is for someone to steal thousands of names from the VA and then use those names during influence rituals and then establish mental health clinics to bill the government for these troops to be treated, as UCI’s are never prosecuted, as this is just an individual issue. Which means one could establish a pharmacuticle and get on the pharmacology list for selling placebos to the feds. This is a billion dollar idea. Then one could establish living facilities where if the troops become soo debilitated and need a care facility where financial managers take care of their monies, that can add millions to a franchise operation nation wide. Just the pharamcuticle alone would generate a billion a year. So if someone is into UCI’s this is a great business opertunity. Besides Mental Health services refuses to accept any type of influence to manifest unbecoming behavior. Its Iron clad no one chalenges mental health. It’s a billion dollar industry a very influential industry I wouldn’t want to get in their way. I wrote a book on this stuff the FBI and secret service have this info already. If UCI’s alter behavior then one can make billions with this info. Unfortunatly the victims will probably loose control over their lives. But hey we let it happen and Mental Health is the best business to own and operate, UCI’s drive their patients. Should we overhaul Mental Health services? What mental disorder does someone get if they are the victim of a UCI? How does mental health treat UCI’s? Is this a medical issue or some kind of influence issue? Its like one hand does not know what the other hand is doing. However in a business since it’s the secret sauce that makes everything run smoothly.

Response by TSgt Keith Wright made Jan 4 at 2016 1:46 PM

TSgt Keith Wright — Mon, 04 Jan 2016 13:46:46 -0500

Col we should ask our FBI agents in Saudi Arabia to graph out all Terrorists attacks, lone wolf attacks and sexual assaults, including any and all shootings. This should be done as Iran threatened Saudia Arabia with “Divine Revenge”, is this like UCI’S? Where UCI’s alter behavior and “Devine Revenge” alters behavior? Is this an attack on Saudi Arabia by Iran threw Angelic Relms? Queen Elizabeth in the mid 1,500’s is quoted saying “we will bring Algelic relms into Mans Laws”. Which in translation we should include these types of acts into our UCMJ and Geneva Conventions Act. These acts are disturbing and debilitating, they should also include the purple hart award, as these incidents cause people to commit suicide, a very real injury of war. In war tactics, operations, attacks are at any level imaginable. We need to pay attention to “Devine Revenge” from Iran. This is a very real announcment of a very real attack against our Allies in Saudi Arabia. As we have seen in our school shootings and mass homocides in Paris and the US. These attacks should also include treason at any level in our Government. You don’t have to believe me or understand what I am saying is true or false, all we need to do is analyze Saudia Arabia from 10 years past and lets see what happens in the next 10 years, will homicde increase in Saudia Arabia? Will we see if Irans “mysterious Devine Revenge threat” changes any graph charts in patterns of crime and mental illness in Saudi Arabia? Will they become a prozak Nation? Should we buy stocks in Prozack? As we can see it may have a spike in sales over the next few years with Irans UCI’s.

Keith

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Jan 6 at 2016 12:39 AM

SGT Jerrold Pesz — Wed, 06 Jan 2016 00:39:51 -0500

I hope so but I doubt it.