Posted on Oct 6, 2016
Are we really training seriously for the next conventional war? All the signs I see say no.
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You can bet that the "next" war will be the only one you didn't prepare for
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Cpl Robert Crockett
Besides nukes, a Red Dawn Scenario is the only thing that really gives me a good scare. Those big container ships look to be able to house a whole division plus equipment. One has to ask if the ports are being watched any better than the borders? I'd much rather feel very foolish after the fact rather than none of the brass looking into this scenario.
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PO2 Robert Cuminale
We have a Navy. It and others will see any ship sailing toward us long before the ship can get here. We can even see it loading. It won't just be men loading but all the equipment, rations. Unloading a ship takes a long time. Long before it can fully unload it will be blasted out of water by fighter jets with missiles. Any people unloaded will have no equipment or rations.
The US is one of the most well protected countries in the world with thousands of miles of ocean for anyone to cross without being seen. We've nothing to fear from Canada and Mexico.
All of that is why no one has ever tried to attack us with a large force.
The US is one of the most well protected countries in the world with thousands of miles of ocean for anyone to cross without being seen. We've nothing to fear from Canada and Mexico.
All of that is why no one has ever tried to attack us with a large force.
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There is a truth in the Army, and that is that you always train to fight the last war.
With that out of the way, I would imagine that the senior leaders are trying to determine what the next war will look like. It is highly unlikely that it will be conventional.
With that out of the way, I would imagine that the senior leaders are trying to determine what the next war will look like. It is highly unlikely that it will be conventional.
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SGT Eric Knutson
Fully agree with you Top, history alone should tell potential enemies that facing us in a conventional style fight is a fast way to the grave, so they are going to be looking more at the unconventional styles of fighting which unfortunetly means that one of the other discussions has more creedance about training every one to a level closer to tier 1 which is as we know cost prohibitive.
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SGT Eric Knutson - Unconventional warfare is often less about the tactical acumen of the individual Soldier, but rather the field-grade level commander's ability to array his/her assets in such a way as to deny an unconventional foe the means and resources to execute operations. Denying cyberspace, access to the population, counter-messaging, good old fashioned disruption of lines of communication and supply.
Without coordination and resources, guerilla forces devolve into banditry and lose the support from the people they must have in order to thrive.
Playing whack-a-mole with insurgents almost never works.
Without coordination and resources, guerilla forces devolve into banditry and lose the support from the people they must have in order to thrive.
Playing whack-a-mole with insurgents almost never works.
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Training should include conventional and unconventional training. Future enemies are unknown and tactics will remain hidden. As far as when I left, you can only train your soldiers from the experiences you had. The 7-8 was always and may always be one of the best for learning your battle drills. Now they have FM 3-21.8, which has a more complicated version of how to do your battle drills, yet don't lay them out in a simple format that can be taught to the more uneducated folks. The battle drills are simple, easy to use and if your smart can be applied to almost any situation by changing some of the words. The key focuses that you want to train for is speed, surprise and violence of action. Depending on what you do, you may not be involved in the unconventional part. They have other units that perform these actions; such as, Psych Ops or Spec Ops. The ideal behind this is in the long run to reduce the amount of casualties on both sides. This is very important to the American government because this will reduce the amount of funding dispersed to Medically Retired Veterans.
Last if they aren't training for everything they are training wrong. Our units will become complacent and someone will find the opportunity to strike at our weakest spots. I have seen in happen in Iraq multiple times. The enemy sits and they watch. They strategize the details of how we are going to be predictable.
So as CPT Jack Durish said the next war will be the one you didn't prepare for is 100% correct. The enemy knows us before we will ever know them.
Last if they aren't training for everything they are training wrong. Our units will become complacent and someone will find the opportunity to strike at our weakest spots. I have seen in happen in Iraq multiple times. The enemy sits and they watch. They strategize the details of how we are going to be predictable.
So as CPT Jack Durish said the next war will be the one you didn't prepare for is 100% correct. The enemy knows us before we will ever know them.
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1LT William Clardy
Good point about battle drills, SSG Jeffrey Clonch. If it's a drilled response, it should be as unmistakably simple as "Immediate action LEFT!" even if you're not so smart. Especially if you're not so smart.
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