What can I expect from an Army Review Board after successfully fighting to have bad NCOERs changed and removed from my file?

2024-04-10T15:14:07-04:00

Hello everyone, I Hope you're doing well, I just had a question. I completed 16 years active duty and was forced to ETS in Nov 2016. I lost my career because of a 4-2 ncoer in July 2011 and my name popped on QMP once I received a 4-3 ncoer March 2015. I was denied continued service and was given an ETS date of 1 Nov 2016. The two ncoers had "4" rating which I got popped for QMP. I fought and HRC removed the 2015 ncoer in Aug 2016 but to keep my career I had to remove or have the 4 changed on the 2011 ncoer. After years of fighting the 2011 "4" rating was brought down to a "2" rating yesterday. So over 7 years later what can I expect?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2024 4:09 PM

2024-04-10T16:09:43-04:00

Response by COL Randall C. made Apr 10 at 2024 6:27 PM

2024-04-10T18:27:13-04:00

I'm not sure what your question or current situation is.

I THINK this is what you were laying out:
● You received two 'less than favorable' NCOERS, both where your senior rater rated you as "Fair" for your performance (one in July 2011 and another in March 2015).
● Because of this, your file was referred to a QMP board where you were identified as someone that shouldn't be retained, a HQDA flag was placed on you records, and you were subsequently forced to ETS in November 2016.
● While still on active duty, you appealed the 2015 NCOER (I assume - you said 2014) and it was removed from your AMHRR (blanked out).
● After seperating, you continued to fight to get the 2011 NCOER changed and eventually it worked it's way up to the Army Board for Correction of Military Records (ABCMR). They recently issued a finding which changed the "Fair" to a "Successful" on the 2011 NCOER.

To your last line - "So over 7 years later what can I expect?" - about what? Going back into the military? A further action by the ABCMR?

Response by CPT David Tanner made Apr 10 at 2024 11:06 PM

2024-04-10T23:06:18-04:00

SSG Washington, I apologize that I am not up on all of the regulations covering all of this, but I do have a decent recommendation. You might be able to join the Army National Guard and finish your last 4 years to get a 20 year retirement. or stay in until you are 60. Worth a try. They can give many waivers for many issues and all branches are hurting on recruiting numbers. Good luck.

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Apr 11 at 2024 8:29 PM

2024-04-11T20:29:35-04:00

I will keep this short, awhile ago when I was a SSG, I had a platoonsegeant who gave me a ROC NCOER and I thought my career was over. I think GOD was watching over me because from what I heard was he didn’t know how to write a proper NCOER. Let's just say, It never made it to my official record.

I was the only SSG in the BN to make SFC list..

Today... I am not sure how educated our NCO's and Offixcers are because, I still have all my NCOERS and the first one that was ever written on me was very poorly written.

I also know some sorry leaders let there own NCO's write their own NCOer's.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2024 8:08 AM

2024-04-12T08:08:03-04:00

If you want back in, you have to start a new ABCMR case.
Now that the NCOERs that created the QMP and RE4 are removed/changed, you need to request that the RE code be changed, for the same reasons that they approved the NCOER request.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Apr 12 at 2024 8:21 AM

2024-04-12T08:21:13-04:00

Depending on your age and health, you may be able to reenter service. Your ratings are still average at best therefore, you would not likely be promoted. Your best shot if you are looking to retain some value from the already sacrificed 16 as stated is likely the NG. You deserve a review at the very least. If I were you I would look objectively at your options and fight to place some value behind what you have already sacrificed.