Posted on May 5, 2014
Army Service Ribbon - Should it be discontinued?
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The Army Service Ribbon (ASR) was established by the Secretary of the Army on 10 April 1981 as announced in Department of the Army General Order 15, dated 10 October 1990. It is awarded to members of the U.S. Army for successful completion of initial entry training.
Enlisted Soldiers will be awarded this ribbon upon successful completion of their initial MOS producing course. For those enlisted Soldiers assigned a MOS based on civilian or other service acquired skills, this ribbon will be awarded on honorable completion of 4 months active service.
Enlisted Soldiers will be awarded this ribbon upon successful completion of their initial MOS producing course. For those enlisted Soldiers assigned a MOS based on civilian or other service acquired skills, this ribbon will be awarded on honorable completion of 4 months active service.
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Senior soldiers receive MSM's when they PCS, and BSM's when they deploy because of their rank. It's easy for them to say do away with it. Lower enlisted soldiers do not have this luxury. Let's not take something else from them.
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That's true Sir, there's a lot of qualifying periods for NDSM. I only mention it like this because a buddy of mine knows a former recruit that purposely failed out and tried showing off an NDSM at a bar. However, according to said buddy the former recruit did end up getting into a bar fight with a Vet about the medal and his stories.
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SFC Harry H.
I was just about to actually comment on the MSM and BSM. I remember when we were about to come home from Afghanistan. Award time... I remember over hearing our J3 SGM talking to the MAJ in J1 plans, about how he is being forced to recommend our E7 at the time a BSM. Then the convo went on to talk about how BSMs were basically handed out to all Senior Soldiers. What great accomplishment I was thinking. You was given a very prestigious award for being "in country" as a Senior Soldier. I went on from that point on to think of BSMs as BS awards. Unless they had the "V" in the middle. The award is over awarded. As well as MSMs.
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No one says “lower enlisted” anymore, better to say “Junior Enlisted”. We don’t use the term “lower NCOs”, right?
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Sure you just get it for completing training, and sure you get a GCM after 3 years, but look at like this. Not everyone makes it through Basic and AIT. Those that do, have not only earned the title of Soldier but have demonstrated the drive to push themselves. I say keep it, it's a part of our history and honestly, there are a lot more important things the military needs to worry about.
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SGT Ben Keen
No you can not be a NCO without being MOSQed. Coming in at a Speciailist because of schooling or whatever but you can't continue up the ranks without completing your MOS, at least that I know of. The Army at least has programs in place to deal with Soldiers who cannot pass their APFT. These Soldiers are often removed from service or placed on special PT programs to help them achieve a passing score.
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It does serve a purpose to the Soldiers. It signifies that they have successfully completed their initial training. It is the first ribbon that a Soldier earns and gives them something to put on their dress uniform. Sure as time progresses they earn more ribbons for this that and the other thing. It is still a part of our history.
What really needs to happen is tougher guidelines need to be followed for current awards. It is my humble opinion that some awards have been degraded during deployments when they are based on rank, not by what they actually did.
What really needs to happen is tougher guidelines need to be followed for current awards. It is my humble opinion that some awards have been degraded during deployments when they are based on rank, not by what they actually did.
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SGT Craig Northacker - Funny thing actually the Marines historically borrowed their uniform form the Army with added bits from the Navy. Unlike the Army however the Marines stuck wit it and never changed it. They said hey this looks good let's keep it, nuff said. The Army on the other hand...
I hope we stick with our new blues, has a root in the old Civil War blues that used to be worn. This one looks good, better than the greens in my opinion. If we stuck with it, no problems.
I hope we stick with our new blues, has a root in the old Civil War blues that used to be worn. This one looks good, better than the greens in my opinion. If we stuck with it, no problems.
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I am not sure that what was for years was formal attire for Company Grade officers and below should become our daily Class A uniform. Besides too many people believe it is a Canadian Air Force or a new French iniform < GOD FORBID >!
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LT Shannon R - That is why I am so impressed when I observe a Marine with more than a single row.
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