Army Values on the NCOER. I think it should be Army Values Yes or No.

2014-03-19T12:09:46-04:00

What is the point of listing each Army Value and a block for each one. For example integiry-lives the army values. It is assumed that if you get a "no" on one then you automatically get a "no" for that one.

What difference does it make? You either live them or you dont. Does it matter which one you didnt live up to?

It should be Yes/No then comments.

Response by MSG Cameron Davis made Mar 19 at 2014 12:11 PM

2014-03-19T12:11:35-04:00

Yes but just like counseling, you need to be specific. I think the whole NCOER has bigger issues then the Army Values section though. I think raters need to rate and be honest about who they are rating. I have seen too many people move through the system because all their NCOERs were good. Then you have the 1 and 1.....why do people think a 2 or 3 is bad? It is because everyone gives the 1 and 1, now everyone expects it. I don't think we use that section very effectively.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 19 at 2014 12:17 PM

2014-03-19T12:17:35-04:00

What you are saying makes sense, but at the same time we need to try to be as specific as possible on the NCOER. I think leaving it more vague will only make our current NCOER less effective and more problematic than it already has. If someone violates the Army Values and it is reflected on the NCOER, it should be as specific as possible explaining exactly what the deficiency is.

Response by 1SG Shane Hansen made Mar 19 at 2014 12:54 PM

2014-03-19T12:54:50-04:00

I am confused by your tactics here. It almost sounds like you are downplaying the army values and what they mean and how a rated NCO best represents what the military wants from their leaders. I wouldn't mind it if the whole NCOER was just the army values. All the stuff on the back will fall in place if you actually truly live up to all of the army values.

Response by SSG Zachery Mitchell made Mar 20 at 2014 10:44 AM

2014-03-20T10:44:11-04:00

I'm a firm believer that all of the Army Values build off of each other. You can't live up to one without the others and you can't go against one without going against the others. I think if you're given a NO for one Army Value then it should be a NO for all of them.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2014 10:46 AM

2014-03-20T10:46:26-04:00

I see what your saying, but it seams like an unnecessary change