As a new NCO, when should my first NCOER be?

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Feb 2016 21:14:24 -0500

I pinned on my 5 on 1 Aug 2015 and I have asked many fellow NCO's when and how often I should receive and NCOER. I have been given various answers and worried about not having one yet. Am I due for one or should I have already had one? I am just not sure and would really like a sound answer or even the Reg for it. Any tips or ideas?

Response by LTC Yinon Weiss made Feb 11 at 2016 9:21 PM

LTC Yinon Weiss — Thu, 11 Feb 2016 21:21:59 -0500

NCOERs are annual, so it should be one year from your date of rank as an NCO. The only common reason to get one more often than annual is if you have a change of rater.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2016 9:27 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Feb 2016 21:27:41 -0500

It's an annual evaluation, so your first NCOER would be due 1 August 2016. You could receive change of rater as well when you get new leadership or change positions.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2016 9:28 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Feb 2016 21:28:07 -0500

SGT
your eval should be from 20150801 thru 20160731. If you PCS or get a new rather you will be due a Change of Rater. Example: if SFC Smith is your Rater and he PCS' on 20160301 then you will need a COR from 20150801 thru 20160301. If you have any questions let me know, 42A hooah

Response by SGT Edward Wilcox made Feb 11 at 2016 9:31 PM

SGT Edward Wilcox — Thu, 11 Feb 2016 21:31:49 -0500

Not sure what the reg is, but you should be counseled at least quartly and the your first NCOER will be due yearly on the anniversary of your promotion. When you PCS, or if your rater leaves, you will get one mid-cycle, called a change of rater. That will become your new yearly due date.

Response by SSG Robert Blair made Feb 11 at 2016 9:34 PM

SSG Robert Blair — Thu, 11 Feb 2016 21:34:48 -0500

Standard is due one year from date of rank (on or after 31-JUL-16 in your case)
Unless, there is a change in duty station and that should cover from the date of rank thru the last date in the unit.
Also, another reason to receive your first under a year is if you have a change of rater (90 days after that change).

You need to find out the rating scheme and if the person who is your rater is going to leave or is promoted, be sure to get an NCOER done by them if they are no longer your rater

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2016 9:49 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Feb 2016 21:49:44 -0500

Other than the aforementioned comments, you should be at least sitting down with your rater quarterly and being counseled, you should also be providing feedback on your ncoer support form. Not sure how the reserves rating scheme works, however it should be the same as active component

Response by CSM William Payne made Feb 11 at 2016 10:07 PM

CSM William Payne — Thu, 11 Feb 2016 22:07:23 -0500

Congratulations on becoming a Noncommissioned Officer! Learn the NCO Creed and do your best to live it every day. Generally your NCOER should be on the anniversary of your date of promotion. The date can change based on a number of variables. You need to find out who your first line rater is going to be and have them to outline your expected responsibilities in your NCOER Support form. That way you have defined goals to shoot for. Every 90 days you are supposed to have an azimuth check with your rater to ensure you're tracking on your goals. Don't be a jerk but bring it up tactfully if it does not happen. If it gets to six months and you haven't had this counseling session, be more insistent this time. Keep note in a green book or electronically of things you have done to meet your goals. Also keep track of your APFT & AWQ, any classes you attend military or civilian. Also Any awards you may receive, medals, certificates, General Officer notes or coins. When it gets close to your anniversary then provide your list of the above to your rater and tell them you are looking forward to your review. Remember, nobody will look out for you career any better than you yourself. Becoming a NCO was one of the proudest days of my military career. Hope this helps, good luck.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2016 10:07 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Feb 2016 22:07:34 -0500

I am not sure why you have not received an initial counseling within 30 days of your promotion, and a quarterly counseling last month. I would request for your rater to sit down with you and do those two things. The answer here has been consistent. Annual NCOERs are a must. If you have a change of rater, it could come sooner.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2016 11:20 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Feb 2016 23:20:27 -0500

Please. You didn't "pin on your 5". You were promoted to Sergeant on 1 AUG 2015. E-5 is a pay grade. Sergeant is your rank, and a symbol of service to those you lead.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2016 11:46 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Feb 2016 23:46:48 -0500

Big thing is are you receiving any feedback? Do you get your quarterly counselings? Those are good checks and point you in right direction. They help write your NCOER at the end.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2016 11:54 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Feb 2016 23:54:41 -0500

Only tip I can think of is that you need to remember that is your responsibility as much as the raters responsibility that quarterly performance counseling a are being conducted.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2016 1:27 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Feb 2016 01:27:16 -0500

AR 623-3 and DA PAM 623-3 will help you with evaluations.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2016 1:31 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Feb 2016 01:31:21 -0500

Also for Army Reserve it's annual unless you have a change of rater after 120 days. 90 days is for the active component. Hope this helps you a little. You should also be receiving quarterly counselings from your rater that are annotated on your support form which are supposed to guide you in meeting/exceeding your raters expectations of you. Unfortunately, in the reserves this does not happen very often. I'd have a talk with your rating chain as well to help you better understand the process. They are your leaders so make them lead.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Feb 12 at 2016 6:46 AM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Fri, 12 Feb 2016 06:46:03 -0500

I received mine every year.

Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Feb 12 at 2016 8:30 AM

SSG Audwin Scott — Fri, 12 Feb 2016 08:30:14 -0500

Look for it next August, annually done.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2016 8:59 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Feb 2016 08:59:39 -0500

1 year after date of rank! Put on you Sergeant not "E5" though !

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2016 9:13 AM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Feb 2016 09:13:58 -0500

Your NCOER is due 1 year from the effective date of your orders, not from the day you got pinned. Your NCOER would run from 1 Aug- 31 Jul if they pinned you on the day of your orders. My question to you though would be, did you get a initial counseling? By this time now you should have also received two quarterly counseling. Just from your questions I would be concerned as a outsider looking in that your unit has a complete failure of senior NCO leadership and Company Commander leadership. This should never have been a question that you needed to ask as your rater should have explained this in your first initial counseling. Congrats on your promotion, as you move up in the ranks, learn from the failures of your leaders and never pass those failures on to the soldiers that you supervise.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2016 10:18 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:18:14 -0500

Congratulations on your promotion. NCOERs are annual evaluation so you should get your first NCOER July 31, 2016. What you need to keep on track is you should receive your first "initial" counseling as an NCO 90 days after your promotion orders. Then expect to receive another counseling every 90 days afterwards and that should serve your quarterly counseling.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2016 12:51 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Feb 2016 12:51:34 -0500

what Sgt. Robert Blair said.

Response by SGT(P) Eric L. made Feb 12 at 2016 7:06 PM

SGT(P) Eric L. — Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:06:33 -0500

1 year from your date of rank, but it always depends on what's going on, how dependable your superior is, among other things....just don't worry about it yet, who knows you might not want an NCOER lol

Response by SGT Chris Tilton made Feb 13 at 2016 9:57 AM

SGT Chris Tilton — Sat, 13 Feb 2016 09:57:04 -0500

Annual ncoer. Quarterly counseling. Since you are in the reserves, your probably
Never get a counseling but somehow magically they will be with your ncoer.

Response by SGT Robert Robertson made Feb 15 at 2016 12:51 PM

SGT Robert Robertson — Mon, 15 Feb 2016 12:51:15 -0500

Usually once a year or apron transfer

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2016 7:57 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Feb 2016 07:57:14 -0500

AR 623-3
NCOERs are annual, so one year after your promotion. After your promotion that should have been stated in a counciling statement. An NCOER should also be preformeded when there is a change of rater.

Response by SSG Jane Doe made Feb 27 at 2016 12:48 AM

SSG Jane Doe — Sat, 27 Feb 2016 00:48:30 -0500

So you get a complete NCOER once a year so that would be 1 Aug 2016. But you should get an initial NCOER counseling followed by quarterly counseling. I've been out a couple years but just look up the regs and read through them.