RallyPoint Shared Content 907715 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>From: US News<br /><br />Americans overwhelmingly believe adultery is morally wrong, but information stolen by hackers from affair-facilitating website AshleyMadison.com – and posted online this week – may result in more than dirty looks and broken relationships for U.S. military personnel.<br /><br />That’s because cheating on your spouse is a crime if you’re a member of the military – a potentially worrying detail for operators of nearly 10,000 .mil email addresses that appear to be associated with Ashley Madison accounts.<br /><br />Military law experts say it’s unlikely many of the troops would receive a court martial or the maximum penalty of one year in prison and a dishonorable discharge, but believe a wave of lesser, though still severe, consequences is possible.<br /><br />Adultery, the criminal charge, rarely is the sole basis for a criminal investigation and charges in the military, but that’s not always the case for higher-ranking officials or those dating subordinates or the spouses of colleagues, the experts say.<br /><br />“When you’re talking about thousands and thousands, it’s probably going to be coming from all ranks, and the disposition may vary based on rank,” says Victor Hansen, a former military prosecutor and defense attorney.<br /><br />Hansen says he helped quietly resolve adultery investigations against officers about a decade ago and says “the Army’s response typically was to reprimand the officer and quietly retire them, usually at a reduced rank,” resulting in a smaller pension.<br /><br />Hansen, who now teaches at the New England School of Law, says that probably remains the approach.<br /><br />The military has little interest in seeing the sex lives of officers on the front page of newspapers, he says, and without congressional pressure it’s unlikely military prosecutors “are going to go out and troll the waters of these websites proactively.”<br /><br />Hansen notes “a lot of this is going to center around proof” and says officers who zealously oppose adultery are likely to be warned off recommending charges against low-level troops on the basis of minimal evidence by their military law advisers.<br /><br />“That tends to have a particularly dampening effect on a commander who might have a crusade for a particular type of crime,” he says.<br /><br />Hansen says lower-level members of the military can still get letters of reprimand in their military files. The military generally is an “up or out” organization, and troops unable to be promoted due to misconduct would have few options but to leave.<br /><br />Richard Rosen, a former commandant of the U.S. Army Judge Advocate General's School, says adultery often was used as an add-on charge for alleged crimes such as rape, but also stemmed from improper officer-subordinate relationships.<br /><br />“If you have a four-star general who’s on this site, people might feel differently,” he says.<br /><br />A decision to bring adultery charges under Article 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice “really depends upon whether the government can show discredit upon the armed forces or that it’s prejudicial to good order and discipline,” he says.<br /><br />“They would have to prove one of those two things," says Rosen, now a professor at the Texas Tech University School of Law. "So if you have a low-ranking enlisted person, the chances are you aren’t going to get an adultery court martial, but it may be different for a general officer.”<br /><br />Still, Rosen says ordinary members of the military could tattle on their peers outside the chain of command, kicking off a probe that could result in a letter of reprimand, ending career prospects.<br /><br />Alternatively, he adds, “some commanders will just do counseling and say ‘cut that out’” in response to adultery allegations.<br /><br />Rosen doubts the Army’s Fort Leavenworth prison population will swell as a result of the Ashley Madison hack. He points out an uproar against charges by the public and politicians in the late 1990s headed off a possible adultery trial for Kelly Flinn, the Air Force's first female B-52 pilot.<br /><br />“I can’t imagine someone going to jail for this, but I’ve been wrong before,” he says.<br /><br />A spokeswoman for the U.S. Army, the military branch that appears best-represented among site patrons, did not respond to a request for comment.<br /><br />Adultery remains a crime for civilians in nearly half of states, but those laws are almost never enforced.<br /><br />Update:<br /><br />In a Wednesday evening statement, the Army said it was aware of reports that military personnel had used Ashley Madison's services and said the service is "committed to ensuring that online-related incidents are prevented, reported and addressed."<br /><br />The full statement:<br /><br />"The Army is aware of news reports concerning the use of military e-mail addresses as referenced in your inquiry. Army Professionals voluntarily incur an extraordinary moral obligation to uphold the Army Values, which apply to all aspects of our life. Online misconduct is inconsistent with Army Values and we are committed to ensuring that online-related incidents are prevented, reported and addressed."‎<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/08/19/ashley-madison-using-troops-may-have-bonked-their-careers">http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/08/19/ashley-madison-using-troops-may-have-bonked-their-careers</a> 2015-08-21T10:40:06-04:00 RallyPoint Shared Content 907715

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>From: US News<br /><br />Americans overwhelmingly believe adultery is morally wrong, but information stolen by hackers from affair-facilitating website AshleyMadison.com – and posted online this week – may result in more than dirty looks and broken relationships for U.S. military personnel.<br /><br />That’s because cheating on your spouse is a crime if you’re a member of the military – a potentially worrying detail for operators of nearly 10,000 .mil email addresses that appear to be associated with Ashley Madison accounts.<br /><br />Military law experts say it’s unlikely many of the troops would receive a court martial or the maximum penalty of one year in prison and a dishonorable discharge, but believe a wave of lesser, though still severe, consequences is possible.<br /><br />Adultery, the criminal charge, rarely is the sole basis for a criminal investigation and charges in the military, but that’s not always the case for higher-ranking officials or those dating subordinates or the spouses of colleagues, the experts say.<br /><br />“When you’re talking about thousands and thousands, it’s probably going to be coming from all ranks, and the disposition may vary based on rank,” says Victor Hansen, a former military prosecutor and defense attorney.<br /><br />Hansen says he helped quietly resolve adultery investigations against officers about a decade ago and says “the Army’s response typically was to reprimand the officer and quietly retire them, usually at a reduced rank,” resulting in a smaller pension.<br /><br />Hansen, who now teaches at the New England School of Law, says that probably remains the approach.<br /><br />The military has little interest in seeing the sex lives of officers on the front page of newspapers, he says, and without congressional pressure it’s unlikely military prosecutors “are going to go out and troll the waters of these websites proactively.”<br /><br />Hansen notes “a lot of this is going to center around proof” and says officers who zealously oppose adultery are likely to be warned off recommending charges against low-level troops on the basis of minimal evidence by their military law advisers.<br /><br />“That tends to have a particularly dampening effect on a commander who might have a crusade for a particular type of crime,” he says.<br /><br />Hansen says lower-level members of the military can still get letters of reprimand in their military files. The military generally is an “up or out” organization, and troops unable to be promoted due to misconduct would have few options but to leave.<br /><br />Richard Rosen, a former commandant of the U.S. Army Judge Advocate General's School, says adultery often was used as an add-on charge for alleged crimes such as rape, but also stemmed from improper officer-subordinate relationships.<br /><br />“If you have a four-star general who’s on this site, people might feel differently,” he says.<br /><br />A decision to bring adultery charges under Article 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice “really depends upon whether the government can show discredit upon the armed forces or that it’s prejudicial to good order and discipline,” he says.<br /><br />“They would have to prove one of those two things," says Rosen, now a professor at the Texas Tech University School of Law. "So if you have a low-ranking enlisted person, the chances are you aren’t going to get an adultery court martial, but it may be different for a general officer.”<br /><br />Still, Rosen says ordinary members of the military could tattle on their peers outside the chain of command, kicking off a probe that could result in a letter of reprimand, ending career prospects.<br /><br />Alternatively, he adds, “some commanders will just do counseling and say ‘cut that out’” in response to adultery allegations.<br /><br />Rosen doubts the Army’s Fort Leavenworth prison population will swell as a result of the Ashley Madison hack. He points out an uproar against charges by the public and politicians in the late 1990s headed off a possible adultery trial for Kelly Flinn, the Air Force's first female B-52 pilot.<br /><br />“I can’t imagine someone going to jail for this, but I’ve been wrong before,” he says.<br /><br />A spokeswoman for the U.S. Army, the military branch that appears best-represented among site patrons, did not respond to a request for comment.<br /><br />Adultery remains a crime for civilians in nearly half of states, but those laws are almost never enforced.<br /><br />Update:<br /><br />In a Wednesday evening statement, the Army said it was aware of reports that military personnel had used Ashley Madison's services and said the service is "committed to ensuring that online-related incidents are prevented, reported and addressed."<br /><br />The full statement:<br /><br />"The Army is aware of news reports concerning the use of military e-mail addresses as referenced in your inquiry. Army Professionals voluntarily incur an extraordinary moral obligation to uphold the Army Values, which apply to all aspects of our life. Online misconduct is inconsistent with Army Values and we are committed to ensuring that online-related incidents are prevented, reported and addressed."‎<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/08/19/ashley-madison-using-troops-may-have-bonked-their-careers">http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/08/19/ashley-madison-using-troops-may-have-bonked-their-careers</a>

2015-08-21T10:40:06-04:00 2015-08-21T10:40:06-04:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 907745

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You, the soldier, are accountable 24/7, no time off. Be above reproach.

2015-08-21T10:49:45-04:00 2015-08-21T10:49:45-04:00 LCDR Private RallyPoint Member 907831

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As I mentioned in the articles posted about this yesterday, the violators don't have a leg to stand on to argue it.<br /><br />Now the question does remain, does having an account mean you actually cheated (yet)?

2015-08-21T11:10:10-04:00 2015-08-21T11:10:10-04:00 SGT Ben Keen 907994

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have to agree with <a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="590440" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/590440-152x-aerospace-engineering-duty-maintenance-amdo-and-amo-dau-asd-acq">LCDR Private RallyPoint Member</a>, just because an email address shows on a list for a website doesn&#39;t mean the service member actually did anything. I&#39;m not trying to excuse anyone from his/her action but wouldn&#39;t the burden be on the Army to prove that the service member actually did more than just sign up for a website. What if the service member sign up during a time of separation, than realized things would be better if they worked things out with their partner and never closed the account? How many other accounts using Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail, or any other private service actually belong to service members as well? These were only the 10,000 people that decided to use their .mil address. There are a lot of questions to consider here so I doubt we&#39;ll see a quick closure to any of this. This is just a huge can of worms and we merely just popped the lid.

2015-08-21T11:54:09-04:00 2015-08-21T11:54:09-04:00 MAJ Ken Landgren 908037

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am not familiar with the site, so I ask this, how does being a member of Ashley Madison prove infidelity exists?

2015-08-21T12:05:28-04:00 2015-08-21T12:05:28-04:00 Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS 908094

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I know this won&#39;t be popular, but.<br /><br />1) This is not worth either the Government&#39;s nor the Services&#39; time to investigate. Don&#39;t bother. It will become a witch hunt. Wasted resources.<br /><br />2) It is arguably between two consenting adults, regardless of the moral or ethical implications of the specific act. Hence &quot;victim-less crime.&quot; (Civil case, not Criminal) See point 1.<br /><br />3) The information was obtained illegally, which is going to add a whole additional layer of complexity to anything. See point 1.<br /><br />4) Honestly, the government/military shouldn&#39;t be in the &quot;Adultery&quot; business anymore anyways. When was the last time anyone was tried for it as a Civilian? See Point 1. (Yes, I do get Good order &amp; Discipline argument, just disagree that this one should still exist).

2015-08-21T12:24:55-04:00 2015-08-21T12:24:55-04:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 908165

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Well, if those service members were dumb enough to register on that website using their mail.mil addresses, then they deserve whatever comes their way.

2015-08-21T12:46:02-04:00 2015-08-21T12:46:02-04:00 SFC Jon Vandeyacht 908354

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What dumb-ass uses a work or .mil email address? Just for sheer stupidity, they should get UCMJ and busted out of the services for inappropriately using government resources for personal gain. Forget the adultery part of it alone, just for using .mil...that is all I would need to want to slap the crap out of any of my Soldiers. I would allow myself to lose a stripe if I could pistol whip any of the ones that were in my influence.

2015-08-21T13:35:53-04:00 2015-08-21T13:35:53-04:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 908453

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Probably, especially if the used their gov't credit cards. 24/7 accountability.

2015-08-21T13:58:47-04:00 2015-08-21T13:58:47-04:00 CMSgt Mark Schubert 908506

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Using a .mil address is beyond crazy - and while it doesn't prove they committed adultery (although I'm not sure why you would want to visit this site if that's not what you intended) it does prove misuse of government resources (your .mil email address is for official purpose only) and I can assure you, if any of the names on that list were in my unit, they would at LEAST lose a stripe!

2015-08-21T14:13:29-04:00 2015-08-21T14:13:29-04:00 CW3 Private RallyPoint Member 908541

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Something else I got from reading some of these stories: someone could have created a fake profile using someone else's account. If you (generic) have that much of a grudge against someone, you could really mess them up by putting a profile on a site like this.<br /><br />It's kind of like how people get signed up for gay porn by their enemies.....they want to cause maximum embarrassment.

2015-08-21T14:24:49-04:00 2015-08-21T14:24:49-04:00 SFC Nikhil Kumra 908560

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>loool .mil? Really???? Dumbasses.

2015-08-21T14:31:17-04:00 2015-08-21T14:31:17-04:00 MSgt Donald G. 908898

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No sympathy here. How do you think this should affect members with security clearances?

2015-08-21T16:17:06-04:00 2015-08-21T16:17:06-04:00 SFC Mark Merino 908914

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Call me a prude, but that business and subsequent commercials made me want to throw up in disgust. Play with fire and expect to be burned in one way or another. Now seek out every loophole in the law and exercise your constitutional rights to wiggle out of what you should have never done in the first place. But using your .mil account? Way to go people. Thanks for making the military the center of the scandal. Well done.

2015-08-21T16:23:35-04:00 2015-08-21T16:23:35-04:00 MSgt Private RallyPoint Member 909067

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>And how many of those .mil addresses belong to civilians? We tend to forget that .mil does not necessarily mean a uniformed service member.

2015-08-21T17:27:43-04:00 2015-08-21T17:27:43-04:00 LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow 909246

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That people were dumb enough to use .mil or .gov email addresses suggest they deserve their lumps...

2015-08-21T18:36:04-04:00 2015-08-21T18:36:04-04:00 TSgt Marco McDowell 909759

<div class="images-v2-count-1"><div class="content-picture image-v2-number-1" id="image-56860"> <div class="social_icons social-buttons-on-image"> <a href='https://www.facebook.com/sharer/sharer.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fashley-madison-using-troops-may-have-bonked-their-careers%3Futm_source%3DFacebook%26utm_medium%3Dorganic%26utm_campaign%3DShare%20to%20facebook' target="_blank" class='social-share-button facebook-share-button'><i class="fa fa-facebook-f"></i></a> <a href="https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=%22Ashley+Madison-Using+Troops+May+Have+Bonked+Their+Careers%22&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rallypoint.com%2Fanswers%2Fashley-madison-using-troops-may-have-bonked-their-careers&amp;via=RallyPoint" target="_blank" class="social-share-button twitter-custom-share-button"><i class="fa fa-twitter"></i></a> <a href="mailto:?subject=Check this out on RallyPoint!&body=Hi, I thought you would find this interesting:%0D%0A&quot;Ashley Madison-Using Troops May Have Bonked Their Careers&quot;%0D%0A %0D%0AHere is the link: https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/ashley-madison-using-troops-may-have-bonked-their-careers" target="_blank" class="social-share-button email-share-button"><i class="fa fa-envelope"></i></a> </div> <a class="fancybox" rel="f30ce85ba034b4dc28b1ecc60aa72558" href="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/056/860/for_gallery_v2/e76dcee2.jpg"><img src="https://d1ndsj6b8hkqu9.cloudfront.net/pictures/images/000/056/860/large_v3/e76dcee2.jpg" alt="E76dcee2" /></a></div></div>This pic sums it up for me.

2015-08-21T22:16:26-04:00 2015-08-21T22:16:26-04:00 Maj William Gambrell 909817

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am sure AFOSI, NCI, etc...know the email addresses and are working the case. I am sure there are some offenders that were young offenders that didn&#39;t understand what they were doing. I would highly doubt there were senior people dumb enough to do the same. It will get hashed out in time.

2015-08-21T22:38:27-04:00 2015-08-21T22:38:27-04:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 910028

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don't blame Ashley Madison for ending their careers I blame the soldier. Sometimes you may not be where you want to be at in your marriage. A lot of us have been there. But if you think going out and having a second life is going to help then you are an idiot and deserve what comes with it. I have more respect for a man that says he would rather have a divorce and split then do this.

2015-08-22T02:06:03-04:00 2015-08-22T02:06:03-04:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 910037

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I understand that 10k .mil address is an alarming number, but take into account those were the few that decided to use their .mil account. Which in my opinion should not be used for anything personal for OPSEC reasons. The amount of military members on that site is probably way more.<br />However, this article is obviously exaggerating; I am in not way excusing the military members who signed in for a cheating dating site, but the fact that their email was found in there or that they have an account, etc etc, doesn&#39;t really prove that they&#39;ve cheated on their spouses. That doesn&#39;t prove anything. Reality!

2015-08-22T02:16:41-04:00 2015-08-22T02:16:41-04:00 CPT Alan W. 910049

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Using a .mil account for personal emails probably violates several DoD policies and certainly many local policies. COMSEC comes to mind as well as policies pertaining to having a security clearance. More importantly it shows really poor judgement. Having a copy of the list might come in handy when it's time for career counseling.

2015-08-22T02:38:24-04:00 2015-08-22T02:38:24-04:00 PO1 William "Chip" Nagel 910131

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Definitely not Career Enhancing but I do remember the Peyton Place that was most Military and Military Housing when I was in. Some things never change.

2015-08-22T06:28:41-04:00 2015-08-22T06:28:41-04:00 SSG Alex Toulomelis 910216

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I find it funny that the American population outwardly rejects infidelity yet millions of our population engages in unfaithful acts. Those that speak out the loudest about these act have regularly been the biggest hypocrites when it comes to practicing what they preach.

2015-08-22T08:48:54-04:00 2015-08-22T08:48:54-04:00 MAJ Ken Landgren 910759

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Risk takers will lose, it is a matter of time.

2015-08-22T14:53:17-04:00 2015-08-22T14:53:17-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 910887

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If you are going to be stupid, you better be tough. How hard is to understand you leave your personal business out of your dot mil account? Is it that hard to get a free email with yahoo, hotmail, google, etc?

2015-08-22T16:05:34-04:00 2015-08-22T16:05:34-04:00 SFC Mark Merino 915083

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There is now a $600 million lawsuit filed against the company and Canada reports that 2 suicides have been linked to the scandal (Newsmax tv, AUG 24). Fidelity saves lives.

2015-08-24T16:41:20-04:00 2015-08-24T16:41:20-04:00 SFC John Birks 915124

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Ha! I found my wife on the site.. This issues can hurt both side of the military..

2015-08-24T16:55:58-04:00 2015-08-24T16:55:58-04:00 CMDCM Gene Treants 915427

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I could not believe my eyes when I checked and found that this had been released. anzio.navy.mil 2 and also cg68.navy.mil 11 ///// Really Sailors - how hard is it to get a private email account! <br /><br />No I did not check all of the Army, AF, CG, Marine and other Navy units, but noticed a plethora of similar email addresses. Call it dot stupid to use a dot mil of any kind.

2015-08-24T19:14:19-04:00 2015-08-24T19:14:19-04:00 SSgt Alex Robinson 915932

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not sure. But there are some embarrassed folks out there.

2015-08-24T23:30:35-04:00 2015-08-24T23:30:35-04:00 SSgt Alex Robinson 915934

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Great post!

2015-08-24T23:31:01-04:00 2015-08-24T23:31:01-04:00 SSgt Alex Robinson 915936

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Great post.

2015-08-24T23:31:41-04:00 2015-08-24T23:31:41-04:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 915940

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think I read that 15,000 .gov and .mil email accounts were involved. Not that I&#39;m condoning this but I don&#39;t understand why anyone would use their .gov or .mil account. Are people simply not thinking?

2015-08-24T23:33:09-04:00 2015-08-24T23:33:09-04:00 MSgt Curtis Ellis 915952

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As much as I would hate to admit it, there will be losses directly or indirectly tied to this, just not sure what the numbers would be. You can almost guarantee that strained or already strained relationships will enter the precipice and depending on where they are stationed, their ranks and their leadership make up, some careers are already over, it&#39;s just a matter of documentation... I expected a lot of single guys to be on this site, but from what I&#39;m hearing, there are a lot of married peeps on this site as well... Amazing...

2015-08-24T23:37:39-04:00 2015-08-24T23:37:39-04:00 SGT Kristjan Rahe 916100

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The fact that persons would use a .gov or .mil account is indicative of the lack of ethical bearing we have within the country right now. The very fact that a company such as Ashley Madison can exist and usethe general "you only live once, have an affair" speaks as to the moral compass of this country being In need of repair. There will be those that lose positions due to this and rightly so. Sadly it has been reported that a few suicides have occurred, and I am sure a few divorces will likewise. Ethics training is scoffed at by leaders in all organizations, but it is sorely needed.

2015-08-25T01:24:03-04:00 2015-08-25T01:24:03-04:00 LTC Jason Strickland 916357

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It appears the Pentagon won't take this any further - unless warranted.<br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/25/pentagon-gives-free-pass-to-ashley-madison-cheaters.html">http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/25/pentagon-gives-free-pass-to-ashley-madison-cheaters.html</a> <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default"> <div class="pta-link-card-picture"> <img src="https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/link_data_pictures/images/000/020/722/qrc/1440479150577.cached.jpg?1443052563"> </div> <div class="pta-link-card-content"> <p class="pta-link-card-title"> <a target="blank" href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/25/pentagon-gives-free-pass-to-ashley-madison-cheaters.html">Pentagon Gives Free Pass to Ashley Madison Cheaters</a> </p> <p class="pta-link-card-description">Fear not, philandering warriors of America: Officials say having a military email address found in the adultery site leak isn’t enough to get you investigated.</p> </div> <div class="clearfix"></div> </div>

2015-08-25T08:02:03-04:00 2015-08-25T08:02:03-04:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 916432

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Isn't this supposed to be placed in the humor section?! LOL!<br /><br />I imagine none of the DoD emails will be prosecuted. It's difficult to prove adultery was committed simply because an email was used.

2015-08-25T08:53:51-04:00 2015-08-25T08:53:51-04:00 Maj Mike Sciales 1849135

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Why is the military so obsessed with the sexual practices of it's members? To be frank, if we let the troops get laid more instead of institutionally being cock-blockers, we'd probably see less melt-downs from the higher ups and less grumbling by the folks in the fields. If guys like Patreous and so many others need a sexual outlet isn't it better that they patronize some professional? Just do a contact form (like the ones for when you meet foreign intelligence contacts) and disclose who it is so they can be vetted. We really need to grow up about this sort of thing. We've lost some very good leaders for making some incredibly stupid moves.

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