Posted on Jan 16, 2021
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Is there a moment where the US armed forces not partake in decisions made by congress when things get to political? What if they are wanting actions to occur by our military when they go against the people and the constitution? Is it even the us military anymore at that point? Question stems from an uncertain near future with the new “leadership” that we now have. Just asking out of curiosity
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Capt Gregory Prickett
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SGT (Join to see), first President-elect Biden (soon to be President Biden) is not "leadership" with scare-quotes, he is the incoming commander in chief and national command authority. You owe him the same duty and obedience under your oath of enlistment as you gave to President Trump, and you are obligated to follow his orders just as you were obligated to follow the orders of Trump.

It will always be the United States Armed Services (or Uniformed Services), and while in active service, you follow all lawful orders. Period. There is no difference in the duty nor the loyalty that you owe to the CIC/NCA or his subordinates just because there is a different occupant.

Do not mistake the free conversation and discourse for grounds to step away from your oath and obligation. We all have to serve under presidents with whom we disagree. Under Jimmy Carter, my airborne unit cased its colors and became an engineer battalion and an armored cav squadron, both of which were horrors for a light infantryman. But I sucked it up and drove on, becoming a cav scout and a mech infantryman, and later an Air Force officer. I didn't criticize the president during that time, nor wonder about what he might or might not do, and you shouldn't either.
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SFC Domingo Martinez
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MSgt Mike P. - That's exactly right, they will block you just as I was blocked on a similar thread day before yesterday. Can you imagine having to defend someone like Biden and his administration? I think these two are some of the Obama leftovers after the good officers were all driven out. It's times like these that I wish I were still in the military.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
Capt Gregory Prickett
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SFC Domingo Martinez - you had your last warning days ago. First, I'm not defending the Biden administration, but this is the payment for getting rid of Trump. Second, I never served under Obama, so I must be now of the "good officers" that was "driven out." You're blocked.
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SP6 Greg Jetter
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Sorry Capt , you wrong , he was not elected , he was installed in a COUP , just like most third world dictators . and please try and act like an adult , blocking folks who don't share your views just enforces our opinion of how fucked up you must be , I feel
for anyone has had to serve with you at any level. To bad we don't elect our officers like we used to do during the last civil war , you could not make dog catcher.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
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SP6 Greg Jetter - You get at least one warning, just like everyone else. I don't block people because they disagree with me, there are hundreds here on RP that I disagree with and talk to on a daily or weekly basis. I block people who are assholes. If you want to talk, we can talk, but you will have to do so civilly.

Downvoted for disrespectful language.
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You follow lawful orders. If they aren’t lawful, be prepared to fall on your sword if needed.

Be careful with your wording, especially while still serving. Your question appears to be looking for justification, not a threshold to reach. I wouldn’t want to get caught up in a mess just because of a potential misunderstanding, especially given the predicament we find ourselves in since the attack on the US Capitol.
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SP6 Greg Jetter
SP6 Greg Jetter
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SGT Steven Nelson - ROFLMAO , man you have never had a coherent thought have you ? how your feeling the same way when the RIF's start .......
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SP6 Greg Jetter
SP6 Greg Jetter
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"especially given the predicament we find ourselves in since the attack on the US Capitol." You are living in a different reality , you should try turning off CNN and MSNBC for a few days and clear your head . Stop drinking the kool aid and think for yourselves for once.
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SGT Steven Nelson
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SP6 Greg Jetter another stain on the military pretending to care about the constitution. But real an anti american infiltrator making the military weaker. Sad
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MAJ S3/5/7 Cuops
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I started under Clinton and am still serving now. Every single time we change an admin some kid comes asking the same question, "What happens if we are asked to fight against the American people, or When should we not follow the leaders". When I was a BN XO had a good Brigade Commander who told me he took everyone's opinion until it got time to get in the fight....."at that point I am going to tell you to shut the F#$^ up and color". Same goes here, the President will set the admin and they will pass policies. While Congress rarely gets involved directly (they control the purse strings and with things like the Army Cross-Fit Test get directly involved). Either way it is coloring time or time to get out or follow orders.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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You don't have to like the orders but unless they are unlawful the order needs to be obeyed. With 22 years in uniform I was never given an unlawful order so that not a problem that I ever had to deal with. There is no room for open debate as to if or when You will obey a lawful order and there can't be.
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MAJ S3/5/7 Cuops
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter absolutely. Hit the nail on the head with that comment. What I was trying to convey when not so attached to reality started going on the the "Nazi" bs like they always do.
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MAJ (Join to see) - Hopefully you don't think that I am one of those perv's.
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SP6 Greg Jetter
SP6 Greg Jetter
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter - how many ill legitimate marxist /communist leaders have you had to server under ? the kids are asking because the actions they see playing out are in direct opposition to their oath to defend the republic , they know something wrong , Something they have not see before in their lifetimes , as senior enlisted you need to justify to them why there is no southern border , why most rights are being removed from the people .... hey just do your job instead of "just following orders" that line not going to cut it when the ashes of this coming war settles.
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