Posted on Jan 16, 2021
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Is there a moment where the US armed forces not partake in decisions made by congress when things get to political? What if they are wanting actions to occur by our military when they go against the people and the constitution? Is it even the us military anymore at that point? Question stems from an uncertain near future with the new “leadership” that we now have. Just asking out of curiosity
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Capt Gregory Prickett
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SGT (Join to see), first President-elect Biden (soon to be President Biden) is not "leadership" with scare-quotes, he is the incoming commander in chief and national command authority. You owe him the same duty and obedience under your oath of enlistment as you gave to President Trump, and you are obligated to follow his orders just as you were obligated to follow the orders of Trump.

It will always be the United States Armed Services (or Uniformed Services), and while in active service, you follow all lawful orders. Period. There is no difference in the duty nor the loyalty that you owe to the CIC/NCA or his subordinates just because there is a different occupant.

Do not mistake the free conversation and discourse for grounds to step away from your oath and obligation. We all have to serve under presidents with whom we disagree. Under Jimmy Carter, my airborne unit cased its colors and became an engineer battalion and an armored cav squadron, both of which were horrors for a light infantryman. But I sucked it up and drove on, becoming a cav scout and a mech infantryman, and later an Air Force officer. I didn't criticize the president during that time, nor wonder about what he might or might not do, and you shouldn't either.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
Capt Gregory Prickett
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SFC Dennis Holloway - You spent all of that time, and not once did you address the points that I made. You made claims that were incorrect, and I called you on it, so you got butthurt and went on a rant about lawyers instead of addressing the issues. We're done until you change your approach.
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SFC Eric Wade
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MAJ (Join to see) - Be so kind as to cite the ruling that the SCOTUS ruled this election was legal. It would seem well over 77 million US Citizens completely disagree, and the results of the Arizona forensic audit, as well as recently approved forensic audits in Wisconsin, Michigan, and more states may further enlighten us to the truth. We shall soon see. The military member's duty is to uphold and protect the Constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
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SFC Eric Wade - Do you know what is wrong with you Trump supporters? You folks believe in the coin phrases made by Trump or the GOP. For example:

- Trump did a good job preparing for the pandemic because he shut down some air travel and the Democrats screamed xenophobia.
- Trump did not illegally use veterans funds because the charities eventually got the money.
- Trump had a right to delay funds to Ukraine.
- It was a fraudulent election but none of the 60+ federal judges listen to the cases and just threw them out.
- COVID is not bad. People die from the flu every year.
- The Capitol Building riot was actually peaceful despite overwhelming evidence of the contrary.

Let us examine Trump and the pandemic. None of you Trumpers understand what real and proper federal government planning entails. I entails a DHS providing overarching leadership to the federal entities like the Cabinets and Agencies to include the DOD, FEMA, HHS, CDC, NGOs. It should have been organized in February. But you Trumpers insist the evidence of Trump did a good job preparing for the pandemic because he shut down some air travel and the Democrats screamed xenophobia.

In general you Trump supporters argue from a position of ignorance.

The Supreme Court ruled against election fruad cases. As far as I know the GOP has contracted a GOP leaning company to audit votes in Arizona. Despite the fact the company is conducting very shaded practices there have yet to find voter fraud. The problem with Trump supporters is you folks believe in all the conspiracy theories and believe the silly coin phrases made up by Trump and the GOP. You folks are silly and gullible, and what you believe are many lies.

You actually expect the generals to keep Trump in power? Despite the fact all the election fraud cases were thrown out due to lack of evidence, Pence certifying the election? People like you really scare me because you support a man who acts like a dictator. It is Trump who is the enemy to the constitution and democracy.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
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SFC Eric Wade - You stated that "77 million" supported Trump (it wasn't, it was 74,216,154). So even if we accept your BS number of 77 million, so what? There were 81,268,924 that voted for Biden, or 7,052,770 more votes than Trump got. In other words, Trump got beat by the same amount of popular vote as Herbert Hoover and Michael Dukakis. Neither of them were stupid enough to challenge the election results after they got their asses thoroughly kicked.

Second, for the "audits"? The Arizona Secretary of State just informed Maricopa County that since the Trump-backed "auditors" had control over and access to the voting machines, that those machines could no longer be used in any future election. That sure shows a lot of trust in the "auditors", doesn't it?

Finally, I'm posting two links. One is to SCOTUSBlog, that lists major court cases dealing with the election, at https://www.scotusblog.com/election-litigation/ The other is at https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/court-cases/voting-rights-litigation-tracker-2020#key-cases

If you need the cases explained to you by a lawyer, tell me which one, and I'll be happy to do so. The one thing that is crystal clear is that there was not massive voter fraud, and given the size of the landslide against Trump, it wouldn't have made a difference even if his allegations were true, which they were not.
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You follow lawful orders. If they aren’t lawful, be prepared to fall on your sword if needed.

Be careful with your wording, especially while still serving. Your question appears to be looking for justification, not a threshold to reach. I wouldn’t want to get caught up in a mess just because of a potential misunderstanding, especially given the predicament we find ourselves in since the attack on the US Capitol.
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SP6 Greg Jetter
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SGT Steven Nelson - ROFLMAO , man you have never had a coherent thought have you ? how your feeling the same way when the RIF's start .......
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SP6 Greg Jetter
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"especially given the predicament we find ourselves in since the attack on the US Capitol." You are living in a different reality , you should try turning off CNN and MSNBC for a few days and clear your head . Stop drinking the kool aid and think for yourselves for once.
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SGT Scott Henderson
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SGT Steven Nelson i was not a die hard Trump fan; he did plenty that angered me. However, compared to J'ao B'den at least he could form a coherent sentence even if it was often laced with self gratification.
Seems more like the left side of the aisle is the group with a collective fetish for the "bloated orange" man. That's why you all can't shut up about him going on 4mo after B'den "won" and he left office.
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MAJ S3/5/7 Cuops
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I started under Clinton and am still serving now. Every single time we change an admin some kid comes asking the same question, "What happens if we are asked to fight against the American people, or When should we not follow the leaders". When I was a BN XO had a good Brigade Commander who told me he took everyone's opinion until it got time to get in the fight....."at that point I am going to tell you to shut the F#$^ up and color". Same goes here, the President will set the admin and they will pass policies. While Congress rarely gets involved directly (they control the purse strings and with things like the Army Cross-Fit Test get directly involved). Either way it is coloring time or time to get out or follow orders.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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You don't have to like the orders but unless they are unlawful the order needs to be obeyed. With 22 years in uniform I was never given an unlawful order so that not a problem that I ever had to deal with. There is no room for open debate as to if or when You will obey a lawful order and there can't be.
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MAJ S3/5/7 Cuops
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter absolutely. Hit the nail on the head with that comment. What I was trying to convey when not so attached to reality started going on the the "Nazi" bs like they always do.
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MAJ (Join to see) - Hopefully you don't think that I am one of those perv's.
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SP6 Greg Jetter
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter - how many ill legitimate marxist /communist leaders have you had to server under ? the kids are asking because the actions they see playing out are in direct opposition to their oath to defend the republic , they know something wrong , Something they have not see before in their lifetimes , as senior enlisted you need to justify to them why there is no southern border , why most rights are being removed from the people .... hey just do your job instead of "just following orders" that line not going to cut it when the ashes of this coming war settles.
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