Posted on Sep 4, 2014
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At_what_rank_should_soldiers_be_exempt_from_organized_pt__
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SSG Pete Fleming
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SFC Ernest Thurston
SFC Ernest Thurston
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I think all soldiers should participate in organized PT, regardless of rank, but I also believe the PT should be tailored to age and fitness level. When it comes to many Senior NCOs and Officers they may be twenty years older than the soldiers they lead, so just by PT standards they are not at the same fitness level as the troops they lead. There are some exception. So what I have seen in many units is that Senior NCOs and officers do PT with their age group peers and then participate in things like Company/BN/Bde runs to motivate the troops. The General doesn't have to come to platoon level PT to prove he's a leader. If he pops in once in a while that's usually a motivator for the troops.
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SFC Ernest Thurston
SFC Ernest Thurston
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The last unit I was in was made up mostly senior NCOs and officers. We did PT together. From the Col down to SFC in our Directorate did PT together. SSGs, SGTs and below did PT with the supporting Company. We also participated in Bn level special PT events like the Brigade runs and The commanding General of our higher HQ would have a special PT event once a quarter that all but mission essential personnel were required to participate in.
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SFC Clifford Brewer
SFC Clifford Brewer
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I think when when everyone doesn’t matter what rank should participate as a team..why?
Because it show the lower ranking soldiers that every one is on the same team.
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SGT Kevin Taber
SGT Kevin Taber
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This x1000
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Oh boy, this is going to get heated...

I can understand select individuals being exempt from PT out of the necessity of their duties (one example might be: cooks need to be preparing meals for after PT, so they conduct PT at night time), but to me, everybody needs to conduct PT together. At least in Squad/Section/Platoon echelons.

I do think that as a Soldier becomes more senior in grade, it's paramount that they show up and make an effort with their subordinates. It's leadership by example.
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SPC David Young
SPC David Young
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Can't speak for everyone with this my experience. While stationed at Fort Campbell KY, I did PT with the company whenever I had the late shift at the Dining Facility. They said I had the early shift, we got together after our shift ended and did PT... The only exception was Fridays. Arguing it usually had other things going on Friday afternoons and there was no time for PT. Nobody was exempt from PT. We were soldiers and it was part of our job no matter what the MOS. Never understood why some people didn't (and still don't) get that.
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CPL Joseph Elinger
CPL Joseph Elinger
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The E4 agrees with you *exactly, Sir!
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CPL Joseph Elinger
CPL Joseph Elinger
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An MG, very nice.
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SFC Clifford Brewer
SFC Clifford Brewer
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I agree...let me rephrase my comment the writer is correct no one is exempt But if with some.medical condition there should be a different prescribed pt..
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I responded to CPT Aaron Kletzing, and I have seen many of the same comments from multiple people: NONE!!

This is from my vantage point and what I've seen. Take it for what it's worth and keep an open mind.

The last time a leader is personally responsible for organized unit level PT is at the Company level (1SG and CPT). There are some instances of a MAJ being in charge of a Company, but I'll lump them in with the CPT's. That's the last time unit training management and the conduct of a physical training plan is squarely on your shoulders. You MUST conduct PT with your unit in order to execute and evaluate the plan that you have in place and adjust it as necessary to meet the goals you have set for YOUR unit.

Beyond that, you are a staff MAJ or SGM. At that point there is no reason why you shouldn't be conducting PT with your staff section. But...you have a Company Commander and a 1SG who have set the goals for the company and the sections. It is your job to comply. Still should be doing PT with your section.

Beyond that, you have upper level staff SGM's and LTC's and then BN CDR's and CSM's. Keep walking that up the chain. You are no longer a part of any ONE unit, but responsible for the conduct and standards across a larger formation. It is your duty to ensure that those standards are being met. It is difficult to do that by reporting into the unit of your assignment for PT. You should be out with the platoons and troops looking at the physical training being conducted. Participate in those unit PT events, but never stick with one unit. You may be doing great PT...but THAT ISN"T YOUR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY. The Army doesn't want you for your body anymore. It wants your mind. Sometimes, it's best if you don't work out with a single unit at all, but move in between units on the same morning. It allows you to see the kinds of training going on in different units at once.

Here's the deal...if I show up to do PT with a platoon...it's smoke the Squadron Commander time. The Platoon Sergeant thinks it's his personal mission to show how tough their PT is. What I really want to see is that they are conducting the PT that is on their training schedule, whatever that is. Often I will show up somewhere because they are supposed to go on a long run, but when I show, it gets changed to 5000 burpees and budy carries until someone vomits. Often at this level, just getting out on a run (by myself or with my CSM) accomplishes the REAL task that I am supposed to be performing as a Squadron Commander. I do extra PT as well...and I still get a 300.

I wouldn't call it being exempt from organized PT...I'd call it selective adherence to organized PT in order to enfore the standards and discipline of the Squadron. You call it what you want, and then we can play rock-paper-rank about it. If you win...I'll do what you tell me to do.
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SPC Patrick McNamara
SPC Patrick McNamara
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Our LTC battalion commander routinely led battalion PT weekly, and would join in with the companies in the BCT the rest of the seek, by rotation. Be assured that nobody below him in rank considered themselves exempt. Quite the opposite in fact. I agree. The answer is NONE!
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CSM Dean Keveles
CSM Dean Keveles
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I concur with the response from the COL, When I was a Platoon Sergeant I led or taught another NCO to lead PT, When I was a 1SG, I led PT for my battery, or taught another NCO to lead it. I used to love calling cadence during battery runs and motivate the entire battery with this "old man' out leading PT. When it was Platoon Level PT, my Commander and I would rotate through PT with each of the Platoons each day. When I was a BN CSM, my Commander and I would rotate through PT with each of the battery or one of the Platoons each day. Sometimes, i even ask if I could get out front and call cadence during the run. When I was Commandant of the NCO Academy, I rotated between the different schools and the classes of students. Se, it was my duty to lead by example, so they see me out there and if I'm asking you to do it to meet Army standards, I, too, am willing to do the same. I sued this time to evaluate the platoons, their PT plan, evaluate those in charge of PT and take those aside that needed some guidance and some azimuth correction, or to praise an NCO for doing it right, or making it better, or more challenging, or watching and NCO help a Soldier and motivate them. My time was now spent shaping, mentoring, coaching and teaching form my years of experience. Train subordinates to do your job so they can take it from you one day. Learn from your superiors so you can take their job one day.
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Wouldn't the positions your outlined simply conduct pt with HHC at Bn and Bde level?
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PFC Gerald Bailey
PFC Gerald Bailey
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We had DIVARTY PT once a month on payday in Baumholder Germany. 5 whole artillery battalions in formation. 3 of the battalions were the headquarters battalion for DIVARTY, 1/83FA and 3/16FA.
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