Atheist Marine against "In God We Trust" on our Currency?

2015-12-16T20:51:55-05:00

Anonymous Minnesota "Marine" and atheist commences lawsuit to remove "In God We Trust" from our currency. Lawsuit commenced December 15, 2015. What do you think? Lawsuit is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwVkb6p7OhGicXg3Ym1JY3hfM3c/view

Doe v Buck Complaint.pdf

Response by SSgt Terry P. made Dec 16 at 2015 8:58 PM

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Sgt Mathew Meyer When did they change 'God,Country,Corps."??

Response by SFC Everett Oliver made Dec 16 at 2015 9:01 PM

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These people are loons. It is so simple yet you are stoned for saying it. We are guaranteed the freedom of religion, not the freedom from religion. Every time the Government mentions God in anyway shape or form we get this again...What these losers need to understand is that if you don't believe in a God then you are free to ignore the words that you think offend you. For me I always think "God , what ever you believe him or her to be".

Response by PVT Robert Gresham made Dec 16 at 2015 9:02 PM

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"Marine Doe" should be ashamed of himself Sgt Mathew Meyer. If he doesn't like what's printed on money he doesn't have to read it. He would actually violate the right to free speech/free press to require the United States, which is primarily a Christian nation, to forcibly remove printed language just because the minority chooses not to believe in Christianity. What if my religion does believe in the number 10, or 20? should I sue to have those number removed from all currency also? This is a frivolous suit, and it will not succeed.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Dec 16 at 2015 9:04 PM

2015-12-16T21:04:23-05:00

This has been a long standing fight.

Aronow v. United States (SCOTUS, 1970)

Wiki for easy reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aronow_v._United_States

Aronow v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aronow v. United States was the first case to challenge the inclusion of "In God We Trust" on U.S. currency.[1] The law it challenged was "31 U.S.C. § 324a "the inscription 'In God we Trust'...shall appear on all United States currency and coins".[1]

Response by SSgt Terry P. made Dec 16 at 2015 9:15 PM

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Sgt Mathew Meyer I apologize, my first comment was off topic.
Now,when will this nonsense end? Some changes are good--and tolerance is a virtue,but when do we stop catering to idiots?

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Dec 16 at 2015 9:24 PM

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The word "Marine" is not in the cited document. Source please?

Response by 1LT A. Uribe made Dec 16 at 2015 9:45 PM

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Doesn't matter it's our national motto!!!

Response by Sgt Mathew Meyer made Dec 16 at 2015 9:51 PM

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I think the problem many have with the First Amendment is that it provides for "Freedom OF religion" not "Freedom FROM religion." That is what the liberals have a difficult time understanding. They view the 1st as "prohibiting" speech about religion (or at least Christianity), and allowing any other speech, no matter how offensive. Thus, we have schools prohibiting christians, or other religions, from using their facilities, while any other groups, including atheists, are allowed to. Any political speech is allowed, UNLESS it is about GOD!!! In which case it is prohibited. That is NOT what the First Amendment is about, or what it was intended as. The First was not about LIMITING religious speech, it was about preserving it.

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Dec 16 at 2015 10:37 PM

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If he doesn't want currency with the motto on it I will be glad to take it off of his hands. No one is forcing him to take it or to read what it says on it. People who file lawsuits like this are mostly assholes and idiots.

Response by Sgt Mathew Meyer made Dec 16 at 2015 11:21 PM

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As a final note to my discussion with 1stlt Nick S., I refer you to the following video, showing how the liberals at one of our premier Ivy League institutions feel about the First Amendment:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/16/yale-fail-ivy-leaguers-caught-on-video-clamoring-to-kill-first-amendment/?intcmp=hpbt4
As an Ivy League law school graduate myself, I am quite frankly ashamed of this display of intolerance and ignorance. But, again, it is typical. If you don't say what they approve of, than you will be punished accordingly.

Yale fail: Ivy leaguers sign 'petition' to repeal First Amendment

Trigger warning!

Response by Sgt Mathew Meyer made Dec 16 at 2015 11:38 PM

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Keep in mind that the same attorney lost in May 2014 in the Second Circuit ( http://www.adfmedia.org/files/US-NewdowDecision.pdf ) (New York) and is advancing the same failed arguments in the Eighth Circuit (Minnesota).

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Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2015 11:53 PM

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It has been attempted in many lawsuits to get rid of the national motto on currency. It fails every time.
I would be stunned if this is just those freedom from religion guys out in Madison stirring the pot again.
They need to get a life.

Response by Cpl Rc Layne made Dec 17 at 2015 2:44 AM

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If he doesn't have the testicular fortitude to have his name made public, then he shouldn't be given the time of day.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2015 9:51 AM

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Good on him for having time, money and energy to pursue something ridiculous as that.
With all that said, he should have went against a more noble/practical cause. There are plenty to go around, that are more tangible, and even on a local scale.

Response by PO3 Sherry Thornburg made Dec 17 at 2015 10:57 AM

2015-12-17T10:57:32-05:00

Its the national motto. There have been attacks on it a bunch in the last 30 years. All of them have failed. I did notice that they single out Christian Monotheism. They ignore that other religions are also monotheistic. So the claim is against the word God. The aim is to remove the word God and all other such terms from the public sphere. That would be a violation against the freedom of speech of all mono and multi-theistic groups in the country.

We have a right to utter the word God in this country.

Response by SGT Forrest Perez made Dec 17 at 2015 11:21 AM

2015-12-17T11:21:07-05:00

That's F'n stupid, should the whole US currency bend to suit one persons beliefs? I really really hope their chain of command digs in their A** for this.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Dec 17 at 2015 11:22 AM

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I think some people have too much time on their hands.

Response by SPC David S. made Dec 17 at 2015 11:36 AM

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It's been tried before and failed as the "slogan" or "motto" does nothing in trying to establish a national religion. The atheist movement is quite confused about what freedom of religion means or implies. I could argue that being an atheist is a form of religion being that they deny the presence of any God - where by they have to acknowledge a God to deny one's existence. The word God on money makes their position on religion relevant.

If I believed in the flying dust pan that lived inside the moon all atheist would have to denounce that God as well. The game never ends until no one believes in anything and I don't see that happening any time soon. I see this getting thrown out real quick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aronow_v._United_States

Aronow v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Response by PO3 David Davis made Dec 17 at 2015 11:49 AM

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Someone has tried that in the 80's I believe. As thing go if he wins someone c as needed go to court to agree for its return. I wish I had a life were a can pursue trivial quests.

Response by MSgt Charles Heyniger made Dec 17 at 2015 12:20 PM

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That's the problem, one person doesn't like something and then think their rights outweigh everyone else's.

Response by TSgt Daniel Daugherty made Dec 17 at 2015 12:24 PM

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There are plenty of Atheists in Afghanistan, perhaps you should move there.

Response by MSgt James Long made Dec 17 at 2015 3:20 PM

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Since the beginning of boot camp. ALL Marines are trained with the code of God. Country, and Corps. What happens during his tour and after he us discharged is up to the individual. I served 20 years, and gave been discharged since 1988. I still stand by our code God, Country, Corps. God bless the United States of America and God bless the Corps. Oohrah!

Response by MAJ Alvin B. made Dec 17 at 2015 3:58 PM

2015-12-17T15:58:21-05:00

Itnismsad, it is unfortunate, and I do not like it.
However, It is his constitutional right to do it. I do not agree with his position and I prefer it stay on the currency.
However, it is now in the purvue of the courts.

Response by MAJ Alvin B. made Dec 17 at 2015 4:03 PM

2015-12-17T16:03:29-05:00

I personally think it is unwarranted and I do not like it. I would prefer to see the motto to stay on our currency, but that is a personal opinion.
However, it is his constitutional right to sue if he so chooses.
Now It is up to the courts to make a decision.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Dec 17 at 2015 4:05 PM

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Some people should be fined for frivolous law suits.

Response by SSgt Christopher Brose made Dec 17 at 2015 4:09 PM

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One thing I find interesting in this thread is the number of people who argue on behalf of polytheists that having "God" in the singular form is somehow offensive to them. "God" is a title, not a name, and neither our founding documents nor our money identify him/her/it, which leaves the understanding up to each person as to who or what that God is. The use of "God" in singular in our founding documents and our money does not demand people limit their beliefs to only one God, and I have never heard a polytheist make that argument.

The only people making that argument are atheists, who are acting like petulant children trying to get their way.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2015 4:18 PM

2015-12-17T16:18:40-05:00

As a nation what do we really worship more than money? If Mammon is our god, then putting "In God We Trust" on our money only makes sense.

Response by TSgt Kerry Hardy made Dec 17 at 2015 6:37 PM

2015-12-17T18:37:40-05:00

Way to go Marine!!!! In god we trust was added to our money by 1956 congress to fight the godless commies!!!! If you take the time to do some research you will find out that US wasn't founded on christianity but on freedom of religion which covers from religion as well. If you want to read about your god do it in your church!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2015 9:11 PM

2015-12-17T21:11:34-05:00

he might be pushing the issue a little too far however i do believe that the religion is pushed down on us a bit too hard. I personally do not believe in GOD, i do believe that Jesus did exist but to make us do prayers during military functions for example is unfair.

Response by Sgt Nick Marshall made Dec 17 at 2015 9:34 PM

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As an agnostic I can see his point of view, but it's the wrong fight to have.

Response by Cpl James Waycasie made Dec 17 at 2015 9:52 PM

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Poor baby, but hey he's a Marine! He'll adapt, improvise, overcome, lol

Response by SFC William Farrell made Dec 18 at 2015 12:39 AM

2015-12-18T00:39:02-05:00

This country was founded on these principles and if some people are not happy with it, they ought to leave. To allow people like this person to destroy this country is making us some third world country. The courts ought to throw him and case out!

Response by SSgt Thomas L. made Dec 18 at 2015 1:13 AM

2015-12-18T01:13:26-05:00

Considering that the phrase wasn't added to currency until the mid 1950s, it really only makes sense to take it off and replace it with our country's original motto: E Pluribus Unum: Out of Many, One.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2015 1:55 AM

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So to everyone posting 'freedom of speech,' 'he can just get over it,' or 'he doesn't have to use/read it,' would you being saying the same if it said "In Allah We Trust"? What if it had a Star of David opposite George Washington? Our government was meant to be secular, i.e. not give preference to one religion over the other. Our current Pledge of Allegiance is the 6th version added in the 50s, the first 5 did not contain the word "God." Adding "In God We Trust" to paper money and making it our motto was also done in the 50s. Christianity may be a majority in the US, but that doesn't give it extra rights or privileges.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Dec 18 at 2015 3:15 AM

2015-12-18T03:15:45-05:00

The atheist "Morine" has the option to not trade in that currency. It shouldn't be too hard for him to get along using his credit card so that he won't be so traumatized from reading the inscriptions on the currency.

Response by SSgt Jim Gilmore made Dec 18 at 2015 8:46 AM

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Since the law states that all salaries and wages must be paid in legal currency, we should just give him his bi-monthly check and tell him to have fun cashing it. since he doesn't like having In God We Trust upon it and there is no alternative usable currency, he can figure out another way to go buy his beer, food and entertainment.

Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made Dec 18 at 2015 1:33 PM

2015-12-18T13:33:24-05:00

Just use a credit card then, you damn dirty atheist. (OK guys...this is a Planet of the Apes reference, not a statement of personal belief that atheists are actually dirtier than theists) . Get over yourself. Suing for stupid crap should have a downside for the filer. It costs us all.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Dec 18 at 2015 1:46 PM

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Reminds me of the old saying, "There are no atheist in a foxhole". Perhaps the good Marine never had the experience of sharing a foxhole, while incoming arty is taking place of machine gun fire has you held in place. I often wonder why the religious types don't go on the offensive against any non-believers in the same way they go after Christians.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Dec 18 at 2015 1:49 PM

2015-12-18T13:49:07-05:00

I'm reading the comments (which are good) and for some reason "Zero F*cks Given" comes to mind. This is as frivolous as lawsuit as someone spilling coffee on themselves then suing the coffee maker for making it hot. If you are against "In God We Trust", that's fine. The currency doesn't state what God, just A God. So it's up to the bearer to interpret what that means. It could be Allah, Buddha, or whatever. If you are a non-believer is it really crushing your morals holding money? Are you going to go to your employer and say I want to be paid ONLY in bills that don't mention a God on them? What about Bit coin, would that suit your needs? I know everyone has a right to air their grievances and what means nothing to me could mean the world to you. But in this ONE case, I feel there is so much more to worry about. But to each his own. This will be thrown out with the swiftness being he has NO issues will collecting money with "In God We Trust", spending money with that on it, and it doesn't violate the separation of church and state being that the Government isn't stating what religion is on the bills. We're in a time of technology and if you do not believe or do not like what's on the bills, you have the ability to use credit, debit, or EBT, and in all three, your hand would never come into contact with a filthy religion fueled bill.

Response by SPC Nathan Freeman made Dec 18 at 2015 1:59 PM

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The fact that he remains anonymous means he's a coward and so probably not even a Marine. If you're for something or against something, be proud and show your face. Otherwise, your cause probably isn't worth fighting for. Same goes for ISIS, KKK ETC

Response by Amn Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2015 2:06 PM

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It's perfectly reasonable to not want religion on our currency, but a petition would have done fine. A lawsuit is pretty redundant.

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Dec 18 at 2015 3:29 PM

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Good thing he doesn't work for the mint...

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Dec 18 at 2015 5:40 PM

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I think we might as well remove the phrase "In God We Trust" given the fact that so many are willing to deny safe haven to Syrian Refugees; after all that only demonstrates that we do not practice "In God We Trust". Think about that as you celebrate Christmas.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Dec 18 at 2015 8:37 PM

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I'm with the Marine. What was so wrong with E Pluribus Unum, In many one. I know what was wrong in the 50's during the Red Scare they changed it to make it "Objectionable" to Communist. Which is about stupid and silly in my book. I find it Objectionable and flies in the face of our Separation of Church and State. Also as a Christian I find it Objectionable Matt 22:21 Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's, Give unto God what is God's.

Response by MAJ Steven Szymurski made Dec 18 at 2015 9:36 PM

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"E Pluribus Unum" is still on the back of US coins. But not on US paper currency. I wonder if that has something to do with the switching of paper currency from "silver certificates" guarantee to the "Federal Reserve Note".

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2015 6:38 PM

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People will Sue about anything. I think that this is a silly waste of time. The fact that a marine is the one suing does not mater to me.

Response by TSgt Jonathan Watson made Dec 20 at 2015 8:02 PM

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He needs to suck it up and get over himself.

Response by Sgt Mathew Meyer made Dec 21 at 2015 5:05 PM

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Sorry all for not keeping up with this thread. I do appreciate the thoughtful comments. There are many posts deserving of a response, for which I simply do not have the time right now. Hopefully once my calendar allows I will respond accordingly.

Response by Cpl Robert Crockett made Dec 22 at 2015 1:07 AM

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The "In God We Trust" was never placed on the coin to promote God. The converse is the true reason for the phrase. If people profane God, they will soon profane the government. This is why a so-called godless government despises Christianity -- yet will heavily fine people for using the profane taboo words over the radio waves and telephone lines.

Response by CPO Lenny Orth made Dec 22 at 2015 9:19 AM

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Best to just take a freezer pen and removing the offensive verbaige as one comes across it.

Response by SFC Randall Anderson made Dec 22 at 2015 4:26 PM

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What the hell is he getting butt hurt over that for. This guy is just looking for something to complain about. Don't read the money, just spend it- idiot!

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Dec 22 at 2015 8:19 PM

2015-12-22T20:19:11-05:00

This is all too funny. Forgive me for saying this like everyone else says it to I am sure but if something offends me and its not hurting me, I move on with my life. What is going on with these overly sensitive atheists? The same question goes for Christians, Muslims, Jews, etc. I am just amazed this person is a Marine! Come on, toughen up!

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Dec 23 at 2015 9:24 AM

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Its so funny how all these people that file these types of lawsuits never come forward and show their face and give their name and where they live. I always thought that a person had to face their accuser, so if you want In God We Trust taken off the money have him do so publicly so we can see who he and his commie buddies are. And by the way he can surrender all his money and we can distribute Chucky cheese tokens to him.

Response by MSgt Stephan Hall made Dec 23 at 2015 11:47 AM

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Ridiculous notion at best

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2015 11:16 AM

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Good for him!

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2015 11:19 AM

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I love the smell of theocracy in the morning!!!!

Response by 1SG Timothy Trewin made Dec 29 at 2015 4:34 PM

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Sorry but this lawsuit is petty for the sake of being petty. Is having "In God We Trust" on our currency such an egregious offense that it warrants a lawsuit to have it removed? This is another case of the tyranny of the minority that is ruining this nation. One person is offended by something so it must be censored and eliminated. I am pretty sure the majority of America could care less about this being on money so it is the few that are offended that feel things should change so as to not be offended.

Response by Sgt Oswaldo Garcia made Dec 31 at 2015 1:31 PM

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Our nation has decline due Tia lack of God in Our nation. A minority should not dictate to the majority.

Response by GySgt Carl Rumbolo made Jan 7 at 2016 2:52 PM

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this is a valid point - as mentioned else where in this thread the motto on US currency, as well as the phrase relating to God in the Pledge of Allegiance where added in the 20th century during the Cold War.

For those who have been fed the idea that the "founding fathers' where god fearing christian men, I hate to disabuse you of that, but the historical record does not support that idea.

Madison, Adams and others had very little use for organized religion, Madison in particular, in his writings called religion one of the worst things to afflict people. His original draft of the 1st amendment was quite clear in that government should have NOTHING to do with religion in any shape or form.

While I was serving I had to deal with officers and senior NCOs who had issues with my agnostic views - at one point I had to deal with a Gunnery Sergeant who showed favoritism to Marines who went to his particular Christian church - that didn't end well for him

I don't care what your personal beliefs are - but keep them personal, they have no place secular government.

Response by Sgt Patrick Carron made Jan 15 at 2016 9:30 AM

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Have we become so self-centered as a nation to where every little thing is offensive? As I see it, if you don't like it, don't look at it or use it. Having God on money is forcing someone to read about it? Come on people!! I guess that I will sue to have Hamilton's face removed from the $10 bill because I don't agree with his policies and he offends me.
Grow the f**k up and quit whining about every little thing. If you go through life whining and crying about your feelings being hurt, then you are in for a long and painful experience.

Response by Maj John Bell made Jan 21 at 2016 11:52 AM

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The last thing we need is politicized armed forces. This individual has a right to pursue this course. But if He/she is making a point of publicizing the fact that they are/were a Marine to give credibility to their argument it is wrong. They should be sought out and corrected. Their status as a Marine has no bearing one way or the other on their argument. Co-opting the Marine Corps, as if the Marine Corp sides one way or another is just slimy.

Response by Maj John Bell made Jan 21 at 2016 11:59 AM

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What paragraph and line number in the Constitution is the phrase "separation of church and state"?
What paragraph and line number guarantees us freedom from seeing things that offend us or that we disagree with?
Does banning religious expression from the public square constitute a government endorsement of atheism as the official state religion?

Response by Maj John Bell made Jan 21 at 2016 12:28 PM

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Within the complaint, plaintiffs status as a Marine is enumerated. It is irrelevant. This is an attempt to bolster his credibility. The last thing the United States needs is a political military. Ask any one who lives in a country that is or was a military dictatorship. It is no different than using the Marine Corps to sell cookies or furniture. If you want to pick a fight and invoke Marine Corps credibility have the moral courage to use your name. I want to find you and correct you not for your views on church and state, but for your theft of Marine Corps credibility.

Response by SSG Dwight Amey MSA, MSL, BS, AS made Jan 21 at 2016 9:49 PM

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Sgt Mathew Meyer, Rene de Carte talked about how he thought therefore he exists. An Atheist do not believe the concept of God.

In my opinion, when Christianity is represented as violating someone elses right not to have government promote God. Something exists.

If I believe a cartoon is reality most people would know that it is not. I would not be taken seriously.

If Athiests believe God is a fairy tale and does not exist. I am baffled as to why go to court for a fairy tale?

No. Christianity is under attack. We need to stand up for our right for freedom of religion and expression too.

Come on now!! Really?

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 30 at 2020 6:33 PM

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It wasn't on there on the first place and was added during the Red Scare of the fifties, in an attempt to associate communism and atheism because the Soviet Union claimed to be an officially atheist country. It's description against atheists, not all atheists are communists. It's also unconstitutional since in the enacting legislative argument it officially makes the US deist, which is against the establishment clause of the first amendment. Last time this was taken to the supreme court the judges claimed the case "didn't have standing", which is BS.

Response by Sgt Cw Barnes made Jun 3 at 2022 6:38 PM

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Get over it this country was founded on faith in God and we've been blessed because of it

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Sep 4 at 2022 6:51 PM

2022-09-04T18:51:36-04:00

TSgt Kerry Hardy said "Way to go Marine!!!"

I must respectfully disagree. The correct response should be:

"Time to go, Marine!!! General, under Honorable, is the best you can expect. Don't let the door hit your caboose on the way out."

His history is also incorrect.

"In God We Trust" was a motto added to the Two Cent Piece (also known as the Double Cent) in 1864. This was done in response to the horrendous bloodshed during the Civil War. Initially, the Motto was not well designed, and wore off too quickly. This variety is known as the "Large Motto." The redesigned motto put an upraised "rim" around the banner that held the Motto; this helped keep the Motto from being worn too quickly. For coins that are not in good enough shape to tell, look for a "twig" that connects the banner with the leaves. If you can find this "twig" then it is a Small Motto variety. If there is no "twig" (that is to say, leaves are actually touching the banner) then that is the Large Motto variety. The Large Motto variety is highly prized by collectors, especially in better conditions of wear (look for coins where all the words, especially the "WE", can be read).

The use of this Motto goes all the way back to Francis Scott Keys' Star Spangled Banner, in which he uses the term "In God Is Our Trust." (That exact phrasing was considered for the Two Cent Piece, but the shorter one was used due to space limitations on the coin.)

The Motto might well have worked. The Civil War ended in the very next year.

Response by MSgt Earl King made Sep 4 at 2022 8:03 PM

2022-09-04T20:03:05-04:00

He should check his wallet!!

Response by SSG Jack Scott made Sep 4 at 2022 8:34 PM

2022-09-04T20:34:09-04:00

Why the hell do you care, why is that keeping you up at night? Small things for small minds!

Response by SGT Carl Blas made Sep 5 at 2022 4:13 PM

2022-09-05T16:13:39-04:00

It's all in the number, not what is written on it. If you have a Chinese bill, can you read it, no, but you know what it's value is.