Bad NCOER? A career ending?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Aug 2020 15:40:23 -0400

I've had two NCOER. The first one was ok, but the second one is basically really bad. So is it safe to assume that my career is basically the end or is it something that I can overcome?

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Aug 28 at 2020 3:47 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Fri, 28 Aug 2020 15:47:05 -0400

Depends on WHY it's bad.
Late to formation? You can recover.
Got caught masterminding a prostitution ring at Fort Hood? Probably harder to recover.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2020 4:00 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Aug 2020 16:00:58 -0400

Depends on where the bad marks are in your NCOER and the substantiating bullets/counselings. How many "Did Not Meet Standard" did you get in comparison to "Met Standard?" It also depends on what your Senior Rater wrote/writes. At your level, you can recover from the bad NCOER(s) if you know what you did wrong and work on never doing that stuff again. As SFC Michael Hasbun said, it depends on WHY you have bad NCOERs.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2020 4:20 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Aug 2020 16:20:36 -0400

SGT Park,

Let me be the example, I received a great NCOER as my first, and an iffy second NCOER, and got promoted. You as an E5 are not expected to be perfect. But you can over come anything if you put your mind to it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2020 6:37 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:37:28 -0400

SGT Private RallyPoint Member were you counseled throughout the year specifically for development in the areas you were rated DNM in? If yes, did you make tangible and consistent improvements?

If you were not counseled, did you request counseling and guidance?

Lastly, regardless of leader actions, do you LEGITIMATELY understand what needs to be improved and have you and/or your leadership identified your PLAN to improve?

The easiest way to NOT recover, is expend a bunch of energy in random arenas and in spurts. Without a plan to achieve a specific goal, there is no way you can ensure improvement.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2020 6:50 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:50:41 -0400

Sgt Park your career is nowhere near over. You are a SGT and are expected to be groomed and developed as an NCO. Now when you hit SSG, that's when there isn't any room for error. Whatever you got on this Ncoer will not impact your career as an NCO and define you within your profession. Keep your head up and keep grinding.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Aug 28 at 2020 7:18 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Fri, 28 Aug 2020 19:18:32 -0400

You have plenty of opportunity to right this NCOER through future conduct. Unless there are some horrendous charges aligned with conduct awarding that NCOER then the world is your oyster. Follow the Creed.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 28 at 2020 10:53 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Aug 2020 22:53:22 -0400

You’re an E5, it’s the time for messing up and learning. Once you promote a bad NCOER is a career ended.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 29 at 2020 2:21 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Aug 2020 02:21:32 -0400

Thank you for all of your tips and advise! One question, can my senior rater make NCOER comments based on what happened in my previous unit, and I've never been counseled (other than verbal) for the incident.