Being enrolled in ASAP as command referral, does it affect your NCOER?

2018-10-24T23:08:28-04:00

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Oct 24 at 2018 11:35 PM

2018-10-24T23:35:14-04:00

That's gonna depend on the circumstances leading to the referral.

Response by SGT Joseph Gunderson made Oct 25 at 2018 12:08 AM

2018-10-25T00:08:54-04:00

I think that it really depends on the outcome of the program and the way the rating scheme decides to handle the entire thing. I would imagine that it can go one of two ways: complete the program successfully and don't give anyone a reason to believe that you are going to abuse substances again and all will be fine or you could fail the program/successfully complete the program and go back to doing whatever was done to get referred and expect an awful NCOER and probably a chapter coming down the pipeline.

Response by SGT Garin Janssen made Oct 25 at 2018 7:26 AM

2018-10-25T07:26:41-04:00

I got into a sticky situation where I was drinking to much and putting financial stress on myself at a point in my career. I made the choice to bring it to my NCO's attention and although I requested to attend ASAP, my commander thought it best I was referred by him to ensure my obligation to get better. This shouldn't affect your NCOER unless it is hindering your ability perform your duties as an NCO or its presenting unprofessional-ism on you and your unit. Responsibilities for your actions will go along way. prove to them that you agree with the Commanders decision to refer you.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2018 10:12 AM

2018-10-25T10:12:08-04:00

AR 623-3 Evaluation Reporting System, Section 3-24 will answer that question

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2018 9:36 PM

2018-10-25T21:36:49-04:00

Thanks

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Oct 25 at 2018 10:02 PM

2018-10-25T22:02:30-04:00

3–24. Participation in the Army Substance Abuse Program or a mental health program
a. A rated Soldier who voluntarily enters the Army Substance Abuse Program (ASAP) for an alcohol or drug abuse problem that has not been detected by the chain of command will not be penalized by mention of ASAP participation in an evaluation report. This would discourage voluntary entry in ASAP upon self-recognition of the need for help. In those cases where alcohol and drug abuse has resulted in substandard performance and/or disciplinary problems, subsequent voluntary entry in ASAP does not preclude rating officials from recording substandard performance or disciplinary problems on an evaluation report. Rating officials cannot use information derived from ASAP records in their evaluations. Once a Soldier has been identified in an evaluation report as having an alcohol or drug abuse problem based on information obtained independently of ASAP—

(1) Voluntary entry into ASAP or successful rehabilitation will be mentioned only as a factor to the rated Soldier’scredit.

(2) The rating chain should note the status of a rated Soldier’s rehabilitation progress or outcome in the currentevaluation or in later evaluation reports.

b. A rated Soldier who voluntarily seeks mental health counseling or is entered into a mental health care program for behavioral health issues that have not been detected by the chain of command will not be penalized by mention of this participation in a behavioral health treatment program in an evaluation report. Doing so would discourage selfreferral to obtain assistance from health care professionals when problems exist. In accordance with the Army’s behavioral health goals, leaders should support and encourage Soldiers to obtain the necessary assistance for behavioral health issues (see para 3–5b(2)(c)). This lessens the stigma associated with issues that warrant psychological care and treatment. Behavioral health issues include a variety of unusual or inappropriate behaviors that may be associated with post-traumatic stress disorder, mild traumatic brain injuries, combat stress or other stress, and/or suicidal thoughts or tendencies. Once a Soldier has been identified in an evaluation report as having mental health issues based on information obtained independently of any information from health care personnel—

(1) Voluntary entry into mental health counseling or a mental health care program, or evidence of successfultreatment to remedy the original behavioral health issue, will be mentioned as a factor to the rated Soldier’s credit.

(2) The rating chain should note the status of a rated Soldier’s behavioral health improvement and/or maintenance ofan improved status in the evaluation report covering the period during which the Soldier’s status improved.