Ben Carson thinks giving up certain torture techniques would be too PC.

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 21:56:33 -0500

I just don't get Ben Carson. He speaks so mildly and peacefully in the debates. He's very religious and a very smart man. Then I read about him saying how giving up some of our torture techniques, is being too politically correct. I'm all for the torture the killers of our American people get. For what they do, there's not enough torture they should receive. I'm really proud of the guy for speaking up and making a statement about torturing those killers and he won't rule out waterboarding of terrorism suspects. We're at war folks. If Obama won't admit to that, there's a huge problem with him.
Anyway, and now the rest of the story.
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WASHINGTON -- Famed neurosurgeon and Republican presidential hopeful Ben Carson wouldn't rule out torturing terrorism suspects on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" Sunday.

Stephanopoulos asked Carson if he agreed with GOP candidate Donald Trump that the U.S. should resume waterboarding, an "enhanced interrogation technique" President Barack Obama discontinued in 2009.

"There's no such thing as political correctness when you're fighting an enemy who wants to destroy you," Carson said, "and I'm not one who's real big on telling the enemy on what we're going to do and what we're not going to do."

Carson also said he favored surveillance of mosques, essentially repeating something he said on Saturday.

"We should monitor anything -- mosque, church, school, you know, shopping center -- where there's a lot of radicalization going on," Carson said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ben-carson-waterboarding_5651df1ae4b0879a5b0b5c7c?ir=Politics%253Fncid%253Dnewsltushpmg00000003

Ben Carson Thinks Giving Up Certain Torture Techniques Would Be Too PC

He won't rule out waterboarding of terrorism suspects.

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Nov 22 at 2015 10:15 PM

MSgt Curtis Ellis — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 22:15:08 -0500

Anything to win the Presidency... We both know that as soon as he or any other candidate spouting the same this is in the chair, this policy will not "visibly" change.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Nov 22 at 2015 10:28 PM

Capt Seid Waddell — Sun, 22 Nov 2015 22:28:25 -0500

Sounds good to me. Even better when it drives the media crazy - a twofer.

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Nov 23 at 2015 7:36 AM

SSgt Alex Robinson — Mon, 23 Nov 2015 07:36:58 -0500

I'm all for anything that will save lives.

Response by MAJ Bryan Zeski made Nov 23 at 2015 7:43 AM

MAJ Bryan Zeski — Mon, 23 Nov 2015 07:43:20 -0500

Why does anyone applaud this kind of ridiculous bravado? We already know that torture doesn't work, so the only reason we torture people is to punish them. Don't we have another justice system for that?

And everyone is ok with monitoring anywhere that radicalization may occur? Like mosques? Churches? Malls? Schools? I hear most radicalization occurs in the home, we should probably expand the NSA's monitoring that too!

Did we somehow just forget that whole Law of War thing? Was that just a "good idea" for everyone else, but not really applicable to US? Or maybe it doesn't count because the enemy doesn't have a real country? Is that really the big difference? Eddie Izzard would count them as good because they have a flag!

Can we really sit here with a straight face and say "We support the Constitution" and yet blatantly advocate for exactly the opposite of what the Constitution stands for? Muslim internment camps? Special ID cards? Tracking? Osama may be dead, but there is no question that he absolutely achieved his objective. The United States is no longer the land of the free or the home of the brave - we've let ourselves become the land of security theater and the home of the internet tough guy.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Nov 23 at 2015 12:43 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Mon, 23 Nov 2015 12:43:04 -0500

1) Torture doesn't work.
2) It's against the $^& (* law. Our Law. International Law. Treaties that we have agreed to. Let's not BS around the issue here. It's $^*%& wrong.

It's not an effective tool. Why the hell would we use a tool that isn't effective, unless it is for some perverse sort of revenge?

https://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm34-52.pdf

We're #%^&$*% better than that.

It doesn't work, and it's wrong. Don't do it. How hard is that to understand?!? It's in the FM and has been for 40~ years. It's been codified in Law for longer than that.

This isn't a case of "sometimes you need to break someone's fingers to find out where the nukes are." That's what Sodium thiopental is for. If it's really a big deal, get a damn warrant, and inject the $*&%& with "truth serum."

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Response by SPC David S. made Nov 23 at 2015 3:02 PM

SPC David S. — Mon, 23 Nov 2015 15:02:38 -0500

It funny how there is all this talk about torture (judicial corporal punishment) being un-American -

George Washington strongly advocated and utilized JCP in the Continental Army, with due process protection, obtaining in 1776 authority from the Continental Congress to impose 100 lashes, more than the previous limit of 39.

Thomas Jefferson was for the castration for men guilty of rape, polygamy or sodomy, and a minimum half-inch hole bored in the nose cartilage of women convicted of sex crimes.

Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt as well advocated JCP as punishment for wife-beating.
The practice of JCP was in deterrence, reform and good old fashioned vengeance. While JCP made its quite exit from the US in 1957 corporal punishment involved the infliction of pain, and in some circumstances branding, mutilation etc. and amounted to what would be defined as torture.

So the use of torture was at one time very central to the US.

Regardless our history one of the top countries in the world in many ways, Singapore uses corporal punishment. Who ever thought stern discipline would result in such a ruly and productive society.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-24428567

Why does Singapore top so many tables? - BBC News

Tenna Schoer, a Danish journalist based in Singapore, counts some of the ways in which the country comes top of the class.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Nov 23 at 2015 6:21 PM

SSG Warren Swan — Mon, 23 Nov 2015 18:21:47 -0500

While I'm not for torture, it would appear that most of those that are "for" it, will never deliver it or feel the repercussions of that decision to use it. In my own opinion ONLY, the one time recently where "torture" was worthwhile was when LTC West used his pistol to get information from a known IED placer. It was used in a manner to get information rather than slowly kill a man who had assisted or directly killed his men. We could debate other methods and how they were good or bad, but it would be an uninformed argument from me being I've never used or been witness to their use other than in bad military movies or the catchy FB posts making light of them, by again....folks who've never used them. I would be interested to hear from someone who has actually used them in a combat zone and what was the outcome? Not sure if I could get or want an honest answer due to OPSEC.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Nov 23 at 2015 9:47 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Mon, 23 Nov 2015 21:47:36 -0500

SleazeBall! I have no use for anyone that believe in Torture. After he goes thru POW Camp from SERE School then I might Listen to his Opinion on the Matter!

Response by COL Ted Mc made Nov 24 at 2015 2:59 AM

COL Ted Mc — Tue, 24 Nov 2015 02:59:05 -0500

SGT Private RallyPoint Member - Sergeant; I'm not quite sure how it is "PC" for the government not to do things which it has charged, tried, and convicted people (including Americans) for doing in the past. Of course Dr. Carson wasn't born when the US government convicted a member of the IJA of "torture" (he "waterboarded" American prisoners of war) and sentenced him to 15 years in jail so his lack of understanding is quite understandable (as is his reluctance to talk about the six malpractice lawsuits he has been the defendant in).

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made Nov 24 at 2015 11:27 AM

SGT Jeremiah B. — Tue, 24 Nov 2015 11:27:04 -0500

This is why I hate the primaries. He's shifting right and playing political word games to grab the primary nomination. To me, all he's showing is that he may not be a professional politician, but he'll fit in just fine with the rest of them.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 26 at 2015 9:14 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 26 Nov 2015 21:14:17 -0500

There's just that small detail where it doesn't work and erodes our standing in the international community while bolstering the terrorists' claims about our willingness to disregard our own morals and treaties. But, yeah, sure, let's do it for the sake of enjoying the enemy's suffering. There's nothing "PC" about not torturing people (I honestly think Conservatives don't actually know what that term means) when it's been proven to yield unreliable information.

Response by MSgt Michelle Mondia made Nov 28 at 2015 1:48 AM

MSgt Michelle Mondia — Sat, 28 Nov 2015 01:48:00 -0500

This is for real...hanging in his house, 'nuff said.