Berlin Township Police Chief Leonard Check responsible for death?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Jun 2015 14:57:43 -0400

Waiting for a gun permit?? You might have to wait in line. Something that is supposed to be issued in 30 days might have caused this young lady's death as "...she was still waiting for Berlin Township Police Chief Leonard Check to approve the gun permit she had applied for on April 21."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/10/no-one-helped-her-nj-woman-murdered-by-ex-while-waiting-for-gun-permit/

//“She should have been granted that permit in a timely matter, especially given her status as a domestic violence victim,” said Evan Nappen, a New Jersey-based attorney who specializes in Second Amendment cases."//

And apparently, she could've been faced with a lose lose situation because "if Bowne had obtained her permit and used a gun to protect herself, she could theoretically be facing charges today because she would not have been allowed to legally carry the gun outside with her."

Good Lord, I wish, in this instance, the lady would've broke the law and carried it illegally. She was trying to do everything by the book and now she has passed away. What a LOAD OF BS!

PEOPLE, protect yourselves!!!

Should her family be able to sue the State? Why or Why not??

'No one helped her': NJ woman murdered by ex while awaiting gun permit

The recent murder of a New Jersey woman by a jilted ex-boyfriend has prompted outrage over the current gun laws in the Garden State after it was learned that the victim’s permit application had been delayed.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 10 at 2015 3:09 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Jun 2015 15:09:44 -0400

That some BS right there

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 10 at 2015 3:49 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Jun 2015 15:49:29 -0400

There is no reason to address the "What if" scenario, because "what if" she had the gun and instead of stabbing her he took it and shot her.

I don't know if the family should sue. The ex is the criminal. Bureaucracy sucks, but it didn't kill her. She could've carried her own knife, pepper spray, taser, etc. Not blaming her, but the options weren't gun or nothing.

It is a sad story.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Jun 10 at 2015 4:13 PM

MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca — Wed, 10 Jun 2015 16:13:11 -0400

A tragedy to say the least. Why was the permit held up so long? Not sure if a civil suit could be won but based on how seriously backed up NJ's gun laws are after reading the article, I'm going to bank on the fact that she will be the face of gun law reform in the state.

Response by MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P made Jun 10 at 2015 4:40 PM

MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P — Wed, 10 Jun 2015 16:40:41 -0400

Restraining Orders aren't worth the paper they are written on. Domestic violence is already addressed in countless laws, statutes, and ordinances. Seems like every day I read where another victim has been assaulted or worse by someone who ignored a RO.

As someone mentioned before, we could play "What If" for years on end and not reach a firm conclusion. What I CAN tell you is this: Speaking as a former LEO, you have a better chance of protecting yourself by being armed, staying alert, and knowing your surroundings.

I carry a firearm specifically because I have suspects who have threatened bodily harm to myself and/or my family. My firearm saved my life on one occasion since the suspect made a hasty retreat when he discovered I was armed and ready for his attack.

Best advice I can give to anyone is learn self defense, carry some means of defending yourself (OC spray, weapon, tazer, etc), KNOW YOUR SURROUNDINGS, and stay alert with your head on a swivel. Some situations can be avoided if you know the aggressor is there. Sometimes you have to meet force with force to survive.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 10 at 2015 4:45 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Jun 2015 16:45:08 -0400

Evan Nappen is known throughout NJ as an attorney specializing in firearms cases.. You don't want him to be your adversary. This case is sad. The girl saw it coming a mile away. This is a tragedy that should have never happened..

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Oct 4 at 2015 8:02 PM

MSgt Curtis Ellis — Sun, 04 Oct 2015 20:02:52 -0400

Wow... Extremely sad and unfortunate... It's getting to the point where to follow the law for anything where you are are in desperate need will get you killed if you do, and jailed if you don't... Win or lose, you just can't win or lose...