Posted on Oct 31, 2015
Call Back Veterans From The IRR, Do You Agree Or Disagree!
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In a Recent Armytimes Article dated 2 November 2015.
While most military recruits sign up for active or reserve component duty for three or four years, their enlistment contracts actually obligate them to a total service agreement of eight years. Troops who choose to hang up their uniforms short of eight years of service transition into the Individual Ready Reserve for the remainder of that commitment and serve as an emergency backup “force of last resort.”
The vast majority of IRR members are never called back to duty. But that could change in a big way if reserve advocates gain traction on a new plan to significantly overhaul how the IRR is managed. The goal is to make this historically disorganized component into a more integrated, reliable and useful part of the ‘total force’ in an era when the services are under pressure to reduce active-duty personnel strength and its associated high costs. The Reserve Forces Policy Board, a federal advisory group, has suggested that a revamped IRR might seek to tap inactive vets for a wider range of potentially short-term missions, creating a relationship similar to the private sector’s use of part-time consultants.
The board is calling for new laws and policies that would redefine the IRR and the role of more than 250,000 young veterans who do not drill regularly or receive pay but have prior military service and are committed to mobilize in the event of a crisis.
The push comes at a time when the military is shrinking, defense budgets remain tight and the Pentagon is looking for ways to modernize the all-volunteer force and tap new sources of talent. The IRR is “a pool of pre-trained, high-quality manpower that the American military has invested a lot of money in — and they are just sitting there,” Arnold Punaro, chairman of the Reserve Forces Policy Board, said in an interview.
“If we are looking at creating greater flexibility and maximizing the use of all talent, the IRR could playa very important role.”Punaro and the RFPB recently sent Defense Secretary Ash Carter a letter urging large-scale changes that could include: Improving official tracking of individual IRR troops and their skills by modernizing personnel data systems.
Possibly changing the laws governing when and how IRR troops are mobilized. Attaching IRR troops to traditional reserve units. Offering IRR troops access to some level of Tricare health coverage and retirement benefits. Allowing IRR troops to freeze their high-year-tenure clocks to incentivize the possibility of resuming a career with the active or Select Reserve components. In most cases, the military is able to fill any gaps in its manpower needs through the traditional reserve components, known as the Selected Reserve, in which part time troops are assigned to units, drill regularly and are often dubbed “weekend warriors.” But during severe personnel shortages, the IRR is tapped, too.
During the peak years of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, about 30,000 soldiers and Marines from the IRR were mobilized for deployments. The most common occupational fields for which they were recalled were the combat arms, military police, vehicle operators, mechanics and engineers.
The Navy and Air Force also.
The current number of people in each
service’s Individual Ready Reserve:
Army: 93,861
Marine Corps: 70,188
Navy: 53,353
Air Force: 36,751
SOURCE: MILITARY SERVICE
While most military recruits sign up for active or reserve component duty for three or four years, their enlistment contracts actually obligate them to a total service agreement of eight years. Troops who choose to hang up their uniforms short of eight years of service transition into the Individual Ready Reserve for the remainder of that commitment and serve as an emergency backup “force of last resort.”
The vast majority of IRR members are never called back to duty. But that could change in a big way if reserve advocates gain traction on a new plan to significantly overhaul how the IRR is managed. The goal is to make this historically disorganized component into a more integrated, reliable and useful part of the ‘total force’ in an era when the services are under pressure to reduce active-duty personnel strength and its associated high costs. The Reserve Forces Policy Board, a federal advisory group, has suggested that a revamped IRR might seek to tap inactive vets for a wider range of potentially short-term missions, creating a relationship similar to the private sector’s use of part-time consultants.
The board is calling for new laws and policies that would redefine the IRR and the role of more than 250,000 young veterans who do not drill regularly or receive pay but have prior military service and are committed to mobilize in the event of a crisis.
The push comes at a time when the military is shrinking, defense budgets remain tight and the Pentagon is looking for ways to modernize the all-volunteer force and tap new sources of talent. The IRR is “a pool of pre-trained, high-quality manpower that the American military has invested a lot of money in — and they are just sitting there,” Arnold Punaro, chairman of the Reserve Forces Policy Board, said in an interview.
“If we are looking at creating greater flexibility and maximizing the use of all talent, the IRR could playa very important role.”Punaro and the RFPB recently sent Defense Secretary Ash Carter a letter urging large-scale changes that could include: Improving official tracking of individual IRR troops and their skills by modernizing personnel data systems.
Possibly changing the laws governing when and how IRR troops are mobilized. Attaching IRR troops to traditional reserve units. Offering IRR troops access to some level of Tricare health coverage and retirement benefits. Allowing IRR troops to freeze their high-year-tenure clocks to incentivize the possibility of resuming a career with the active or Select Reserve components. In most cases, the military is able to fill any gaps in its manpower needs through the traditional reserve components, known as the Selected Reserve, in which part time troops are assigned to units, drill regularly and are often dubbed “weekend warriors.” But during severe personnel shortages, the IRR is tapped, too.
During the peak years of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, about 30,000 soldiers and Marines from the IRR were mobilized for deployments. The most common occupational fields for which they were recalled were the combat arms, military police, vehicle operators, mechanics and engineers.
The Navy and Air Force also.
The current number of people in each
service’s Individual Ready Reserve:
Army: 93,861
Marine Corps: 70,188
Navy: 53,353
Air Force: 36,751
SOURCE: MILITARY SERVICE
Edited 9 y ago
Posted 9 y ago
Responses: 26
My friend and brother-in-Christ SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL thanks for asking this question.
In my opinion,
1. Only if there is a general mobilization [last general mobilization was for WWII]
2. the only Individual Ready Reserve service members I would be in favor of called back to active duty should be trained and certified service members of critically shortage MOS and specially trained shortages.
FYI LTC Trent Klug LTC John Shaw SPC Gary C.COL Randall C. MSgt Robert E. M. Amn Dale Preisach SPC (Join to see) CMDCM John F. "Doc" BradshawLTC David Brown LTC John Mohor SFC Jim Ruether SFC William Farrell SGM Major Stroupe SGM Bill Frazer MGySgt (Join to see) CMSgt Marcus Falleaf CSM Charles Hayden MSG Darold R. 1SG Joseph Dartey
In my opinion,
1. Only if there is a general mobilization [last general mobilization was for WWII]
2. the only Individual Ready Reserve service members I would be in favor of called back to active duty should be trained and certified service members of critically shortage MOS and specially trained shortages.
FYI LTC Trent Klug LTC John Shaw SPC Gary C.COL Randall C. MSgt Robert E. M. Amn Dale Preisach SPC (Join to see) CMDCM John F. "Doc" BradshawLTC David Brown LTC John Mohor SFC Jim Ruether SFC William Farrell SGM Major Stroupe SGM Bill Frazer MGySgt (Join to see) CMSgt Marcus Falleaf CSM Charles Hayden MSG Darold R. 1SG Joseph Dartey
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Amn Dale Preisach
For "in the clinch" MOS's yes. For those just11B etc., if we need to recall them, we are in a world of hurt. Much like putting a picket line up hoping to hold on till we get up to strength.
Not the best situation to be in.
What about all those bad paper discharges. And the bs they endured for no apparent reason other than they sought help. How does that effect those still in? Morale is probably strained. Shortages of personnel even now max out every soldier's ability to maintain peak standards during 16 hour days. Planes that are put together with boneyard parts and prayer, the politics of serving under persons that take a dislike just because... no sir. Too many stalwarts of extreme ideology in the Service now. If you ain't woke, you are broke.
So, no.
Not the best situation to be in.
What about all those bad paper discharges. And the bs they endured for no apparent reason other than they sought help. How does that effect those still in? Morale is probably strained. Shortages of personnel even now max out every soldier's ability to maintain peak standards during 16 hour days. Planes that are put together with boneyard parts and prayer, the politics of serving under persons that take a dislike just because... no sir. Too many stalwarts of extreme ideology in the Service now. If you ain't woke, you are broke.
So, no.
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This sounds like some bean counter is looking for a promotion. Why would you go after members who are out unless you have a national Crisis? The article eludes to it being done in the civilian world. Military and Civilian worlds are not compatible, or comparable. You would be getting someone who left for reasons in the first place. Dragging them back would shoot moral right in the leg. This sounds like a scheme for someone in Washington to get a promotion or get some recognition. May sound great on paper but in actuality it would just piss a lot of people off with no benefit. But its just my opinion.
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL
MSgt Robert Pellam Thanks for the response, this makes absolutely no sense. The Government is always up to something.
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MAJ (Join to see)
Just pull individuals out of the Ready Reserve, Inactive means they don't want to be there anymore.
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PO1 (Join to see)
MAJ (Join to see) - Not in all cases sir. Sometimes there's a lack of drilling options so people who would like to be SELRES find a lack of options or opportunity, though I do agree that we could address that with revisions to SELRES rather than having to dip into the IRR per se.
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CPO Nate S.
I am retired USN 20+ AD. I get the Guard and Reserve components, but never understood the IRR concept. Frankly, I have never encountered a IRR member. NG and Res yes, but never an IRR. If the IRR is that disorganized and its members are not that interested in serving then why have them? If MAJ (Join to see) is correct and "...Inactive means they don't want to be there anymore..." is actually true then it sounds like the whole reserve structure needs to be revised. Again, I am not that qualified to comment as I did 20+ yrs on AD and retired then was shifted to the what the navy calls the FLEET RESERVE until I had 30 yrs total.
LCpl Steven Fiore's comment "...We already have enough problems with vets transitioning after their EAS..." is also troubling. I'd love to hear him share more on this issue.
LCpl Steven Fiore's comment "...We already have enough problems with vets transitioning after their EAS..." is also troubling. I'd love to hear him share more on this issue.
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Think it would make recruiting a much harder sell. A four year contract with 4 inactive is a much easier sale than essentially 4 year active and 4 year semi active reserve.
I think the last resort is the correct move. We already have enough problems with vets transitioning after their EAS, I think messing with the IRR, will make it much harder to assimilate back into civilian society.
I think the last resort is the correct move. We already have enough problems with vets transitioning after their EAS, I think messing with the IRR, will make it much harder to assimilate back into civilian society.
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