Can a commander or 1SG give an APFT and do a height and weight any time they want to?

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 19:03:57 -0400

Response by CW5 Sam R. Baker made Oct 21 at 2016 7:13 PM

CW5 Sam R. Baker — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 19:13:43 -0400

No, there are regulatory implications to the way you described it, they may still make life miserable, but not like you propose.

per AR 350-1 Testing is prescribed for all Soldiers as follows:
(1) The APFT provides an assessment of the physical readiness training program. Physical conditioning or training periods solely devoted toward meeting APFT requirements are highly discouraged.
(2) Commanders may administer the APFT as often as they wish; however, they must specify beforehand when the results are for record. AA and AGR Soldiers will take the APFT twice each calendar year. A minimum of 4 months will separate record tests. Soldiers that require make-up testing or re-testing for an APFT failure are exempt from the 4-month rule. The intent is for the Active Army and the AGR Soldiers to take a record APFT every 6 months. Mission requirements often prevent the even spacing of record tests. Therefore, commanders are encouraged to test Soldiers for record as close to the record test window as possible. Soldiers requiring make-up testing will be scheduled in accordance with the unit Standard Operating Procedures. Soldiers requiring re-testing for an APFT failure will be scheduled as prescribed in paragraph G–9.m.(6) of this regulation.

per AR 600-9
para 3–2. Standard
a. Soldiers are required to meet the prescribed body fat standard, as indicated in appendix B. Soldiers will be screened every 6 months, at a minimum, to ensure compliance with this regulation.
b. The only authorized method of estimating body fat is the circumference-based tape method outlined in appendix B.
c. Commanders are authorized to use the weight for height table (see app B) as a screening tool in order to expedite the semi-annual testing process. If Soldiers do not exceed the authorized screening table weight for their age and measured height, no body fat assessment is required.
d. Commanders have the authority to direct a body fat assessment on any Soldier that they determine does not present a Soldierly appearance, regardless of whether or not the Soldier exceeds the screening table weight for his or her measured height.
e. Soldiers identified as exceeding the body fat standard will be flagged in accordance with AR 600–8–2 and enrolled in the ABCP. They must meet the body fat standard in this regulation in order to be released from the program.

para 3-4 (Mentions ENCOURAGED to allow a minimum of 7 days)
b. In order to ensure the ABCP does not interfere with Soldier performance on the APFT, commanders and supervisors are encouraged to allow a minimum of 7 days between APFT and weigh-in, if feasible. Some Soldiers that are close to exceeding the screening weight may attempt to lose weight quickly in the days leading up to a weigh-in. This practice may result in the Soldier being unable to perform his or her best on the APFT, if the two events are scheduled close together.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Oct 21 at 2016 7:16 PM

SGM Erik Marquez — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 19:16:57 -0400

Yes
Morning, afternoon and evening,
If you mean a record APFT then the answer is only if the day ends in "y"
And it's announced before the test it is for record

Reality is it's a waste of time, resources and manpower plus not good physical training.
Heck it's not even a good physical reinforcement for corrective training
An APFT should be the easiest training day all month.

Response by SSG Jeremy Sharp made Oct 21 at 2016 9:31 PM

SSG Jeremy Sharp — Fri, 21 Oct 2016 21:31:37 -0400

The simple answer is yes but it cannot be for record tests. There are guidelines specifying time lapses between for record testing twice annually. The APFT is not intended to be a punishment but is used as a gauge of physical readiness. The height weight recording can be different especially if the SM does not meet standards. They may accurately record and monitor soldiers outside the standards to track progress and in conjunction with counseling and medical evaluation to monitor fitness for duty.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 22 at 2016 12:31 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 22 Oct 2016 00:31:17 -0400

They can do a record Ht/Wt whenever, a RECORD APFT may not be administered if it is within a 10 week period from the previous one, I believe.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2016 4:05 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Oct 2016 04:05:35 -0400

I can't believe ppl don't know this. You can give a diagnostic daily, but record apfts need to have at a min 4 months between them for active and 8 months min for reserve and guard. Per regulations. Look it up!!

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Oct 25 at 2016 7:45 AM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Tue, 25 Oct 2016 07:45:25 -0400

Yes!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 6 at 2016 5:07 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 17:07:31 -0500

Yes if they want to mess with Soldiers.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2018 11:18 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Jul 2018 11:18:14 -0400

A For Record APFT cannot be given more than twice a year (for Active Duty/AGR Soldiers or if a Reserve Command APFT Policy dictates- all Soldiers), and each For Record test must be no
less than 4 months apart.

A Commander or 1SG could give a Diagnostic APFT every day of the week & twice on Sundays... although a Command team that did this would surely suffer Command Climate problems and/or IG complaints.
https://www.justanswer.com/military-law/2ejp4-minimum-time-record-apft-ar.html

For the HT-WT, it's usually required yearly, or if the Soldier is enrolled in the ABCP (Army Body Composition Program) monthly weigh-ins are required until the Soldier is off the program/Chaptered Out.

What is the minimum time between APFT records and which Army Regulation covers it?

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Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2018 8:25 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Aug 2018 08:25:31 -0400

All the information you need is in FM 7-22, AR 600-9 and for medical questions related to the APFT use AR 40-501. Learning the regulations will benefit your career. We need to stop just giving Soldiers the answers and teach them to find the answers themselves.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 31 at 2020 7:28 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 31 Mar 2020 19:28:29 -0400

Yes a commander can he reserves that right if you the soldier does not show or appear to be physically fit or within army body fat standards