SPC Private RallyPoint Member 7863417 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My AD husband was just recommended for P3, and his plt sgt told him it is a command referral to behavioral health. Google says P3 is a permanent profile, but he has no injuries (other than a lipoma but that’s not a big deal). And he has no SI/behavioral health issues. I’d know even if he didn’t tell me, because I did when I was a teen and was hospitalized for it and I can very easily spot the red flags. I was reading what I believe to be the guidelines for a command referral to BH. A, he meets none of the qualifications. B, he has not been given a memorandum and they are telling him to go tomorrow. C, no one will tell him why. <br /><br />Is this some new command thing trying to take care of your soldiers and just check up on them, or what? Because this came from left field. Just looking for some insight here, thanks. 2022-09-06T12:18:59-04:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 7863417

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My AD husband was just recommended for P3, and his plt sgt told him it is a command referral to behavioral health. Google says P3 is a permanent profile, but he has no injuries (other than a lipoma but that’s not a big deal). And he has no SI/behavioral health issues. I’d know even if he didn’t tell me, because I did when I was a teen and was hospitalized for it and I can very easily spot the red flags. I was reading what I believe to be the guidelines for a command referral to BH. A, he meets none of the qualifications. B, he has not been given a memorandum and they are telling him to go tomorrow. C, no one will tell him why. <br /><br />Is this some new command thing trying to take care of your soldiers and just check up on them, or what? Because this came from left field. Just looking for some insight here, thanks.

2022-09-06T12:18:59-04:00 2022-09-06T12:18:59-04:00 SSgt Christophe Murphy 7864797

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Command Referrals to medical aren&#39;t out of the norm. To include mental health. Don&#39;t over stress at this point because if this is the first time anything has ever come up it is just preliminary and diagnostic. He may have shown some stress at work or maybe he was exposed to something and the Command wants to get ahead of it. Your Husband will know more after the appointment. Just encourage him to ask lots of questions while there to better understand what&#39;s going on.

2022-09-07T08:00:33-04:00 2022-09-07T08:00:33-04:00 COL Randall C. 7864823

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="1557168" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/1557168-92s-shower-laundry-and-clothing-repair-specialist-c-co-262nd-qm">SPC Private RallyPoint Member</a>, his commander can do a command directed referral for evaluation (CDBHE) to Behavior Health (in this case, it sounds like a non-emergency one otherwise your husband would be there already). Let me stress again that word - evaluation. The governing DoD regulation is DODI 6490.04<br /><br />Why could he be referred? It can be a variety of reasons falling under the &quot;fitness for duty&quot; rubric that you may not be aware of - declining work performance, occupational requirements, etc. that lead the commander to think there &quot;might be something more going on&quot;. I assume he is doing it to look out for his soldiers because it&#39;s hard to second-guess the commander on the ground.<br /><br />I know nothing about the commander and as I said, we have to trust the commander to do what is right for his Soldiers until evidence shows otherwise. Having said that, the Army (and DoD) takes a VERY harsh view on any abuse of this power by leadership. To sum it up - God help the commander if there is a hint of reprisal or bad faith in doing this.<br /><br />The commander SHOULD (emphasis on that word) tell him why he&#39;s doing it, although that&#39;s not required.<br /><br />At this point he&#39;ll be sent to a Mental Health Professional (MHP) for an evaluation based on the commander&#39;s concerns. A report will be generated and sent back to the commander. What happens next depends on the report.<br /><br />Understand, the military has tried very hard to ensure that people don&#39;t look at using MHPs as stigmatic, but it still has a negative connotation for many.<br /><br />Don&#39;t get it into your head that somehow the leadership is trying to do something bad to your husband. It&#39;s most likely that they are watching out for him and the commander is not a MHP - that&#39;s why he&#39;s referring him to one.

2022-09-07T08:15:51-04:00 2022-09-07T08:15:51-04:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 7865035

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A Command Referral to BH will be backed by a reason. Whether the Commander tells the SM that reason, that is up to the Commander. Professional Courtesy would be that the SM should be notified. Should being the operative word. The Commander is sending your husband because the Commander cares enough to see if your husband needs additional assistance, if additional assistance is needed.<br /><br />Now, on to the P3. Yes, that P3 is a permanent profile. That recommendation is coming from a medical provider. I&#39;m thinking the medical provider feels, based on their experience, that your husband meets the criteria to require a P3. I would venture a guess that the Command Referral is linked to that P3 recommendation your husband was given. Also, you have to remember that a 3 or 4 in ANY of the PULHES categories for a Permanent Profile designates a MEB has to be done to determine if the SM in question is still medically fit for continued service. In the realm of BH, if your husband was given a P3 for BH, then a Command Referral for BH is going to be part of that evaluation for continued service.

2022-09-07T09:56:40-04:00 2022-09-07T09:56:40-04:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 7865818

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think you should have a conversation with your husband about this. A command referral will not generate a P3 profile. As soon as you are given a P3 you will be evaluated for your fitness for duty. I don&#39;t think this is the case. I would tend to believe that he has a medical issue that you may not be aware of. I have sent a few to get a command referral. I didn&#39;t consider them to be fit for duty but the Behavioral Health Provider is the only one that can make the call. If he did see one and the Provider reported something then that could give him a P3. A commander can not recommend a P3. They can only request an evaluation. I have seen Soldiers that have misled the military with their previous care and get caught before.

2022-09-07T18:17:53-04:00 2022-09-07T18:17:53-04:00 SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM 7868627

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>He should seek those in charge so he can under what conditions warranted his placement.

2022-09-09T10:11:13-04:00 2022-09-09T10:11:13-04:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 7868739

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If your active duty husband was recommended for a P3 profile, he knows why. He can log into medpros and open up the profile and view it directly. Commanders can&#39;t recommend profiles, only medical providers can do that. If he doesn&#39;t have anything on his medpros under profiles then he isn&#39;t being recommended for a P3 profile

2022-09-09T11:30:31-04:00 2022-09-09T11:30:31-04:00 SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM 7868752

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