Can a MSG who has been in a 1SG billet with the "M" SQI request their retirement reflect the Diamond?

2021-02-22T16:41:14-05:00

Response by MSG Richard C Finley made Feb 22 at 2021 5:05 PM

2021-02-22T17:05:06-05:00

yes there was several in 4 - 64 Ar that did this prior to my retirement.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Feb 22 at 2021 5:19 PM

2021-02-22T17:19:59-05:00

Yes. That's a block to check in the retirement paperwork. Same with SGM's who previously served as CSM's.

Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2021 5:37 PM

2021-02-22T17:37:29-05:00

Hey brother, yes as long as the lateral appointment transaction was done in Emilpo. If the transaction was never done, regardless if you served as a 1SG, you retirement rank will be MSG.

Response by 1SG Dennis Hicks made Feb 22 at 2021 5:38 PM

2021-02-22T17:38:22-05:00

Thats a big Yes, you have to request it.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2021 5:40 PM

2021-02-22T17:40:47-05:00

Unless you can locate a memorandum from a General that says otherwise, AR 635-8 states the DD 214 will reflect the active duty grade or rank at the time of separation.
It also states "The DD Form 214 will be prepared in accordance with paragraph 5–6 below. No deviation is authorized"

5–6. Rules for completing the DD Form 214
"d. Block 4: Grade, Rate, or Rank. Verify that active duty grade or rank and pay grade are accurate at time of separation"

https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/ARN9413_AR635-8_FINAL.pdf

ARN9413_AR635-8_FINAL.pdf

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Response by SGM Tr Williams made Feb 22 at 2021 7:34 PM

2021-02-22T19:34:47-05:00

Yes, with Field Grade command approval.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Feb 22 at 2021 10:03 PM

2021-02-22T22:03:06-05:00

1SG Private RallyPoint Member You must stay informed as to your status. After my retirement on orders as a CSM, the puzzle palace started sending me correspondence addressed to SGM. Several letters later it was corrected.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2021 7:13 PM

2021-02-23T19:13:29-05:00

Often 1SGs at retirement ceremonies are recognized as a 1SG if they were in the slot at the point of retirement, however 1SG and CSM are laterals and not promotions so unfortunately you retire as a MSG. The identifier only say you are a qualified 1SG in your MOS field unit slot such as 92A5M rather than 92A5O. This use to represent the difference between 1SG school and not. Today, we have SLC, and MLC that now qualify 1SGs. I have not heard as of yet a 1SG school offered, but there might be one, the Army is a big place.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2021 11:30 PM

2021-02-24T23:30:32-05:00

Yes you have to have been a 1SG for 3 or 4 years then you can request this through your S-1

Response by 1SG Chad Mcdaniel made Feb 27 at 2021 12:21 AM

2021-02-27T00:21:12-05:00

Yes if that "M" identifier is on your ERB your retirement orders DD214 will reflect as 1SG. I took my Diamond off in 14 retired in 18 as a 1SG.

Response by 1SG Will Phifer made Mar 1 at 2021 3:07 AM

2021-03-01T03:07:11-05:00

you can if you desire to do so ........ once you are Retired you join the ranks of the forgotten so it no longer matters..... your soldiers will always refer to you as "top' regardless of what your ID CARD says

Response by 1SG Mitchell Smith made Mar 6 at 2021 9:01 PM

2021-03-06T21:01:30-05:00

If you're in the seat when you retired and haven't been assigned another slot in BN etc it's a yes. I retired in the seat and my orders, retired ID card reflect 1SG.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2021 4:37 PM

2021-03-12T16:37:39-05:00

Acting 1SG does not count for retirement

Response by 1SG Richard Smith made Mar 13 at 2021 8:22 AM

2021-03-13T08:22:23-05:00

Yes, if he has the M identifier, and served as a first Sargeant, he is entitled to retirement as a 1SG

Response by 1SG David Horne made Apr 3 at 2021 3:14 PM

2021-04-03T15:14:30-04:00

Yes

Response by 1SG Rosalind Currington made Apr 24 at 2021 8:19 PM

2021-04-24T20:19:31-04:00

You can retire with the diamond if you successfully completed the First Sergeants Course.

Response by 1SG Rosalind Currington made Apr 24 at 2021 8:59 PM

2021-04-24T20:59:47-04:00

See AR 635-200, para 12-17

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2021 9:25 AM

2021-05-20T09:25:34-04:00

I let the S1 NCOIC know way ahead of time that I wanted any retirement paperwork to reflect my rank as 1SG. Then when I went for my retirement ID card I showed the personnel there a 4187 showing my move to 1SG from MSG. Not an issue.

Response by MSG Richard C Finley made Jul 5 at 2021 3:56 PM

2021-07-05T15:56:11-04:00

Yes, I had several in 4-64 AR, they worked for me in the S-3 Shop until they retired. They requested through the Bn Cmdr. I didn't for whatever reason, because Ops Sgt at the time was a SMG position and I had received a letter from the Sargent Major Academy but decided to retire. I'm sure my Dad would have had something to say about that if he had lived a little longer.

Response by MSG Harold Tarr made Jul 14 at 2021 6:10 PM

2021-07-14T18:10:44-04:00

Yes you can, the transition office will actually give you that option.

Response by 1SG Conrad Cohen made Jul 16 at 2021 4:52 PM

2021-07-16T16:52:47-04:00

That's how I retired as a first sergeant by having one successful evaluation as a first sergeant but of course that was 30 years ago.

Response by MSG Victor Milasus made Apr 9 at 2022 9:46 PM

2022-04-09T21:46:38-04:00

You have to be in that position when you retire.