Can a retired SGM come onto post and act as if he was still active duty?

2020-05-28T06:47:39-04:00

Our past CSM has reportedly been coming onto post in uniform and issuing directives even tho he retired 6 months ago

Response by LTC Kevin B. made May 28 at 2020 7:09 AM

2020-05-28T07:09:30-04:00

There are two separate issues here, issuing directives and wearing the uniform. Regarding issuing directives, he has no authority to do that. He may have influence, but no specific authority. If leaders are allowing him to influence them, that's not necessarily wrong (although the level of influence might be problematic from a leadership standpoint and require some form of leadership intervention). Regarding the uniform, unless there are other pertinent details that you have left out, according to AR 670-1 he cannot wear the uniform in such a scenario. The regulation states that retired personnel can wear the uniform in "occasions of ceremony" that:

"include, but are not limited to, military balls, military parades, weddings, military funerals, memorial services, meetings, conferences, or similar functions of associations formed for military purposes, of which the membership is composed largely or entirely of current or honorably discharged veterans of the Armed Forces of the United States."

It also states that:

"retired personnel are authorized to wear the uniform only on the following occasions:
(1) While attending military funerals, memorial services, weddings, inaugurals, and other occasions of ceremony.
(2) Attending parades on national or state holidays, or other patriotic parades or ceremonies in which any Active or Reserve U.S. military unit is taking part. Uniforms for these occasions are restricted to service and dress uniforms; the combat uniform and physical fitness uniforms will not be worn. Wearing the Army uniform at any other time, or for any other purpose than stated above, is prohibited."

So, it appears as if it's wrong for him to simply show up on post in uniform. If he has been invited for some sort of meeting, conference, etc., it may fall into a gray area where a person in leadership may have to make that decision. That's based on my reading of the regulation.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2020 7:32 AM

2020-05-28T07:32:33-04:00

bizarre. Hang up the hat. Enjoy retirement.

Response by CSM Michael Chavaree made May 28 at 2020 7:35 AM

2020-05-28T07:35:49-04:00

No, boy I wish I could see that!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2020 7:46 AM

2020-05-28T07:46:12-04:00

I would say no.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2020 8:08 AM

2020-05-28T08:08:37-04:00

Non Commissioned Officer's retain power via the Chain of Command. As defined by AR 600-20. The only NCO that is actually part of your Chain of Command is your first line supervisor. All other only belong to the NCO Support Channel. Retired Sergeants Major can have influence on a given Chain of Command (there were a couple who liked to report to LTG Vandal about "PT" violations during standard hours so they could have the gym to themselves) but the Chain should have their own, active CSM to lean on. This type of behavior seems in line with why retired Sergeants Major have a 5 year life expectancy post-retirement.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2020 8:27 AM

2020-05-28T08:27:12-04:00

Oh my...lol

Response by SCPO Morris Ramsey made May 28 at 2020 8:39 AM

2020-05-28T08:39:43-04:00

You use the term “reportedly”. So you have not observed him acting like he is still on Active Duty. Is it possible he was on post for a ceremonial function and he observed an infraction and simply corrected it.

Response by CW4 Keith Dolliver made May 28 at 2020 9:03 AM

2020-05-28T09:03:22-04:00

No, of course not. Some people just have a hard time giving it up though. The guys that still work on post after retirement, i.e. DACs, Contractors, etc are usually the worst offenders.

I remember one instance when I was a young Soldier, I had only been in the Army about 2 years at that point. I was with one of those 10-year TIS E-4s and I don't remember why exactly but some retired E-9 tried to get in his butt about something. My friend just blew him off, which really ticked off the retired E-9 even more... he says "well I'm retired Sergeant Major so-and-so"... to which my friend responds "key word is retired" and continues walking again.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2020 10:25 AM

2020-05-28T10:25:41-04:00

I had to do a double take that there was not a link to a duffleblog article.....

Poor CSM needs to let it go and enjoy retirement.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made May 28 at 2020 10:34 AM

2020-05-28T10:34:09-04:00

You said reportedly, that means you do not know. Nor do you know how much leave he had built up. With deployments there is a chance he had that and more. I retired not too long ago and with all I have built up I was on the payroll for almost seven months. If he is on leave and wants to make corrections in uniform he can do so. Now, if he is officially retired and you have more than speculation, whomever he corrected to speak with the current CSM. It would be a mighty bold move of home to do this. Unlikely at best.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2020 10:56 AM

2020-05-28T10:56:43-04:00

Wow. From your post I can only assume that is one sad or sick individual.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2020 11:33 AM

2020-05-28T11:33:02-04:00

At least he retired, worst thing I’ve seen are retired NCOs and Officers who transition to DA Civilians and achieve a GS grade they believe is “equivalent” to a Senior Officer grade (GS-13/14/15) and then demand respect like they are a LTC/COL. I laugh every time I hear it...

Response by MSG Gary Eckert made May 28 at 2020 11:54 AM

2020-05-28T11:54:18-04:00

There are some reasons why a retiree outside of the obvious ceremonial reasons may be wearing a uniform on your post. Some jobs such as JROTC or ILE Instructors are required to wear a uniform as a condition of employment. While those positions may no longer issue lawful orders, they can make “suggestions”, such as correcting obvious uniform violations. I am guessing most soldiers do not want to find out what their NCO channel would think about them ignoring such suggestions.

Response by SSG George Holtje made May 28 at 2020 12:09 PM

2020-05-28T12:09:15-04:00

I’ve had CSMret who have come out to PT with the troops. Stopped me at the PX to chew the fat and give advice. Advise us on the right thing to do. I always welcomed it and felt complimented that they remembered me and actually cared.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2020 12:10 PM

2020-05-28T12:10:17-04:00

Assuming this gentleman is truly retired, he needs to let it go. I get that the transition from military life to civilian life is jarring but it’s called selfless service for a reason.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2020 12:31 PM

2020-05-28T12:31:58-04:00

Is he ABLE to do it? Sure. Retired personnel have access to military bases. Is he authorized? Not so much.

The first time a retired SGM came on to post and started trying to issue orders, and issued some to me, that'd be the death of me...because I wouldn't be able to breathe from laughing too hard.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made May 28 at 2020 12:36 PM

2020-05-28T12:36:39-04:00

1. There is a damn big difference between CSM and SGM, suggest you learn it. 2. Reportedly is hearsay, not admissible in any punitive action. 3. Correction of this if true is in the of the Chain of Command (LTC, current CSM, etc) not for a PFC to worry about. Here is to big one think on- retired says WHO? Could he be on terminal leave?. Could he be employed in a JROTC or ROTC Slot, or a Govt slot- most are required to wear the uniform. You write directives, verbally they are orders, which is he doing? Several of my buddies would drop by, outside the vault, we would drink coffee, eat lunch maybe and chew the fat. Their advice/comments always were worth consideration- cause you never know everything. I still make on the spot corrections- advice, my oath of service has no expiration date, and sloppy,uncaring, un-prideful kids are not going to screw my Army service e/pride.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2020 1:01 PM

2020-05-28T13:01:46-04:00

My wife tells me that's a no go...

Response by SGT Michael Van Geertruy made May 28 at 2020 1:57 PM

2020-05-28T13:57:40-04:00

Who knows? What business is it of yours? That said, it wouldn't kill you to cut him/her some slack considering the 25 - 40 years they dedicated to the military and the political connections they have. It has been my experience that a pissed-off recently-retired CSM can still make a lot of trouble for a disrespectful private. They can also be very helpful in helping said private network into a good position or even a promotion. I know a number of "Commanders' Driver"s who got the position because they had to emotional intelligence to respect folks instead of patronizing them.

Just a thought young grasshopper, now get down and give me 50.

Response by Cpl Gerald Tucker made May 28 at 2020 2:38 PM

2020-05-28T14:38:24-04:00

Send him to MH ASAP!

Response by SFC Carlos Cherry made May 28 at 2020 4:34 PM

2020-05-28T16:34:45-04:00

LOL

Response by CPL Sharon Fahey made May 29 at 2020 9:59 AM

2020-05-29T09:59:27-04:00

Very sad. It's hard to let go for many.

Response by SMSgt Jamie Kitchen made May 29 at 2020 4:11 PM

2020-05-29T16:11:31-04:00

Short answer...nope! We're civilians with benefits after we retire...sorry SGM, at least you have a parking spot at the commissary...

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2020 4:22 AM

2020-05-31T04:22:28-04:00

I won't repeat what other have said, but I will add this caveat: If these "directives" involve spot fixing other people who are not wearing the uniform correctly, he is entirely authorized to do that.

Response by SGT Dan Theman made Jun 1 at 2020 1:02 PM

2020-06-01T13:02:14-04:00

No. The command structure on your base is flawed if they are allowing this behavior.

Where you can where your uniform under certain circumstances, that are covered under the AR’s.
He may also be suffering from separation anxiety or other medical needs.
He could also just be lonely.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2020 4:27 AM

2020-06-03T04:27:36-04:00

As a retired CSM, our uniform (when worn) must have the retiree pin obviously displayed. We have no chain of command to be senior enlisted advisors for. But under general military authority anything we see that is illegal, immoral or unethical remains duty bound to address on the spot or brought to Chain of Command. This entire scenario would be an extreme exception and not the norm....but make sure he is not on Transition Leave or recalled for other specific duties. ROTC and JROTC Instructors are authorized uniform wear and retain general authority but need to respect authority of actual chain....unless this guy is batshit crazy and flat out abusive...then report him to MPs...they would impartially find out his role and motives.. my best advice

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2020 7:09 AM

2020-06-03T07:09:19-04:00

No...not going to write a paragraph on common senses
Lol someone said “reportedly” is the key word,so is “retired”.

Response by SSG Bobby Richardson made Jun 18 at 2020 2:10 AM

2020-06-18T02:10:53-04:00

I try to learn from someone else's experience so that I can avoid that experience; and I suspect the retiree has it in abundance. That being said, he has no authority to issue any directive or order to anyone on active duty because he is no longer in the Chain of Command. And wearing his uniform should be limited to ceremonial occasions, and then usually dress blues.

It sounds to me that, after 6 months, somebody is having trouble adjusting to civilian life; which, in and of itself, is not unusual. But continued 'meddling' by a retiree - regardless of rank - could lead to some noob private getting into trouble because they took a directive from this guy.

I'd report the issue to Command and hope they could stage an intervention with the guy.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 18 at 2020 10:20 AM

2020-06-18T10:20:13-04:00

I think we must seriously consider his frame of mind. This doesn’t sound like he is coping well with his retirement. That being said, it is a very delicate situation. He deserves respect but he also must understand that he is retired and does not belong in the daily activities anymore.

Response by PO2 James Hatch made Jun 19 at 2020 2:36 PM

2020-06-19T14:36:32-04:00

Legally no, you can tell him to kiss off, BUT, if you did, he still has buddies in high places that are in authority over you.

Response by SGM Lonnie Durand made Jun 20 at 2020 11:51 AM

2020-06-20T11:51:25-04:00

I don’t know. Can I come to a social media site and ask questions I should ask my Chain of Command? Let’s break this down. Is it prohibited? Probably not, can’t say though, as I’m retired, and don’t really care enough for it to be my problem. Is it authorized? Somebody already pointed out the uniform issues. Checking with the CoC helps to find out whether or not somebody asked him to, or not. As a retiree, while working at Fort Leavenworth, the installation leadership wanted retirees to help point things like uniform infractions. All I knew at the time declined, “not my circus, not my monkeys”. Do I have to bite my tongue some days? Yeah, but it’s scarred enough that it doesn’t hurt anymore.

Response by SFC Michael W. made Jun 20 at 2020 12:34 PM

2020-06-20T12:34:00-04:00

Respect his rank...if the CSM is making an on-the-spot correction of something obviously wrong like hands in pocket, not saluting an officer or running inside building during reveille or retreat I don't blame him.

He shouldn't be in uniform unless he's attending some kind of function authorizing him to...

Now, if he's coming on and trying to tell soldiers what to do since his retirement you should acknowledge him, then address it up your Chain of Command about what is taking place.

Always respect the rank, even though he's retired he EARNED it.

Response by A1C Jordan Aasgaard made Jun 20 at 2020 4:21 PM

2020-06-20T16:21:02-04:00

He shouldn’t be able to he’s retired

Response by MSG Jacqueline Case made Jun 21 at 2020 2:11 PM

2020-06-21T14:11:02-04:00

The question is not “can” he, obviously he can...”should” he? That’s a whole other issue. Maybe he needs to stay in the retired lane. And my comment is probably worth ten cents

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Jun 21 at 2020 6:37 PM

2020-06-21T18:37:59-04:00

Is he on terminal leave, ask yourself that first. If so, He can until his leave is up. Personally I would stay clear of any military post, that's why they call it retirement

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2020 9:18 PM

2020-06-21T21:18:23-04:00

The past CSM needs to move on and get a life. There comes a time to move on. Let it go. Start the next chapter.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2020 8:51 AM

2020-06-22T08:51:54-04:00

Once he/she has officially retired and met their end date of time in service, then no. If you are a young Troop and said CSM retired is on base for one reason or another and you are doing something stupid and you get corrected by them, well then you should correct yourself.

Although they don't have the authority they used to have, they aren't forgotten and may still have plenty of influence with the current chain of command and if they spot Soldiers not living up to the standard, it's all to easy to pick up the phone.

Response by MAJ Joseph Ward made Jun 22 at 2020 5:57 PM

2020-06-22T17:57:29-04:00

Nope, I worked with retired Generals in Iraq who were contractors, they had no authority to order anything. It was interesting to go into meetings and the MNC Commander calling my civilian boss Sir, and him calling the MNC Commander by his first name, but to the point once retired, authority to give commands and directives to soldiers ends. However respect towards their former position/rank should be given, they can still make life a living hell with their connections if they choose to.

Response by PO1 Robert Murray made Jun 22 at 2020 9:51 PM

2020-06-22T21:51:05-04:00

Call base security to have him/her escorted off base, let the current leadership deal with directives and
how to guide the troops, remind this retiree
to get used to civilian life and get used to being just another John.

Response by CSM David Porterfield made Jun 22 at 2020 10:22 PM

2020-06-22T22:22:17-04:00

Sounds more like rumor than anything........

Response by SSgt W. Aaron Gregory made Jun 23 at 2020 8:45 AM

2020-06-23T08:45:16-04:00

There are a few dynamics here. Issuing directives are a superior officer's bailiwick. Sergeants Major do not do that. A directive is a Marine Corps Order, a Technical Order, a Policy, etc. Sergeants Major can certainly enforce directives, but if they are retired - what does that mean? In the Marine Corps, if memory services, 20-year retirees are not actually retired per se, but put in what is called the Select Marine Corps Reserve (just with retired pay) to serve there until they have completed their mix of active 20 and 10 inactive non-reporting reserve time. But that may have changed since I left the service. And I was in the Marine Corps, not the Army, so things are a bit different.

Or do we simply have a pissed off PFC that was caught walking around in garrison without his cover (hat) on? No, it is not right that the Sergeant Major in question is walking around as if he is on active duty. Someone needs to confront him about that. But at the same time Jesus guys - how embarrassing is it that you have leadership that lets you pogue around, and RETIREES need to address leadership problems? Which of these is the LEAST RIGHT?

Response by CSM Edward Litherland made Jun 25 at 2020 8:50 PM

2020-06-25T20:50:21-04:00

As a retired CSM, I definitely agree with all comments made and how this is an insult to any SGM/CSM who is active or retired. But there is one point I would say would be acceptable and that is pointing out to a soldier a deficiency such as improper wear of their uniform, disrespect of the uniform or harassing another person for the fun of while in uniform.
CSM Ed L.

Response by CWO4 Jerry Place made Jun 26 at 2020 8:14 AM

2020-06-26T08:14:01-04:00

When I was in boot camp in '65, the legendary retired LtGen. Chesty Puller came to MCRD. He allegedly went to the brig with his entourage and asked each man why he was being detained. If the Marine answered something like "I got drunk and got in a fight", Puller ordered the man freed. No one told him that he was retired and could not issue orders.

Response by MSgt Allen Chandler made Jun 28 at 2020 3:55 PM

2020-06-28T15:55:50-04:00

I don't know The whole story behind this question. It seems to me it comes down to Misrepresentation. I retired from the Air Force In 1983 As a master sergeant (E7) And I think that gives meSome qualifications to speak on some subjects. If I represent myself is anything other than that (Green Beret, A four-star general, I Navy seal, Or still on active duty) I'm living
And should stop. I'm lying and people should stop me

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2020 7:45 PM

2020-06-28T19:45:06-04:00

HUGE NO!!!! He is retired he needs to learn that he is a civilian and that is all of the authority he has and thats it. If he does not like it he can try to use the chain of command, something that as a FORMER SGM he should understand. Heck that alone should have him knowing he cannot do anything. And the putting on a uniform and doing that should have him in legal hot water with the military at the post and he should be reported. We cannot have people coming on base and doing that. He could be the enemy and start setting the base up for problems by telling people to move to other areas put equipment in certain places etc. He needs to be arrested and told by military lawyers this is a warning. U do it again and u will have a major problem

Response by SPC David Young made Jun 30 at 2020 1:54 PM

2020-06-30T13:54:10-04:00

When I was a private at Fort Dix, there was a civilian employee named Mr Harris who was a retired CSM. We were told by our drill sergeants to stand at parade rest and give him every courtesy. I believe we understood that without being told. He had some type of administrative job at the reception center. In this case, he no longer wore the uniform but he was still treated with the same respect. It was a long time ago (1990 to be exact) but that's something I remembered.

Response by CSM Frank Brady made Jul 8 at 2020 8:57 AM

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Response by CSM Frank Brady made Jul 8 at 2020 8:57 AM

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Be humble

Response by SGT Leonard Frank made Jul 20 at 2020 11:47 PM

2020-07-20T23:47:11-04:00

In my most humble now civilian response, I would would hope the current CSM would take him for coffee and explain the confusion he is causing and ask that he bring any issues to him. this solves if he has vacation time or not, point is papers in csm out.

Response by SGT Gary Tob made Jul 21 at 2020 3:57 PM

2020-07-21T15:57:20-04:00

Tell him to RE-UP!!

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 23 at 2020 9:48 AM

2020-07-23T09:48:42-04:00

Who would WANT to act like that after retirement. Relax... take a deep breath and enjoy not having the responsibility anymore!

Response by LCpl Steve Smith made Jul 23 at 2020 9:20 PM

2020-07-23T21:20:40-04:00

Short Answer is No....But let your leadership handle it. LTC Kevin B. Love your explanation.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2020 7:24 AM

2020-07-24T07:24:54-04:00

only if they are a complete douche!

Response by SSG Michael Burdiss made Jul 24 at 2020 3:07 PM

2020-07-24T15:07:29-04:00

Tell him or get you a cup of coffee when he’s done being a jackass.

Response by SSG Michael Burdiss made Jul 24 at 2020 3:07 PM

2020-07-24T15:07:47-04:00

Tell him to get you a cuppa coffee when he’s done being a jack ass

Response by CMSgt Gary Fichman made Jul 26 at 2020 12:13 PM

2020-07-26T12:13:04-04:00

Needs mental health eval!

Response by SMSgt Billy Cesarano made Jul 26 at 2020 9:07 PM

2020-07-26T21:07:05-04:00

What is the context and basis of the question? Leaving that out makes an answer speculative.

Response by SFC Terry Wilcox made Jul 26 at 2020 9:21 PM

2020-07-26T21:21:41-04:00

Are the directives well thought out? Is his uniform straight, and well worn? Does he carry himself in a military manner? Other than legally allowed to issue Directives - Are there any situations that demand immediate attention?

Response by Cpl Christopher Bishop made Jul 27 at 2020 12:07 AM

2020-07-27T00:07:59-04:00

Remember your Oath...that part about “...rendering obedience to appropriate orders.”

This allows some room for you to interpret what is/isn’t appropriate. Id pay more attention to what is being asked of me, rather than sniffle about the “who can/can’t tell me what to do”...which is what this thread sounds like to me.

Response by SSgt Carroll Straus made Jul 27 at 2020 8:40 PM

2020-07-27T20:40:48-04:00

Sad and funny!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2020 1:09 PM

2020-07-30T13:09:08-04:00

Of course they can't, but as many have said in this thread, some do. I had some bad run-ins with a SGM that I didn't really know who he was, other than knowing that he wasn't in my Chain of Command or NCO Support Channel. Out of respect I just tried my best to work with him and get along and eventually it was him that told me that he had aged out of the Army, but he worked at the Post Office on post, so he came around in uniform to "help out." This led me to believe that somebody was backing or allowing his efforts. He was really down one day and started telling me his story of how he was in the Battalion before and that they won't let him be anymore due to his age. If I would have know this information earlier, our relationship would not have lasted as long as it did, due to his behavior. He did give me a quote to remember, he had sent some e-mails that were so awful that I printed them for evidence to prove that I was never out of line. He come and found me eventually and asked me outside, lowered his head and said, "I would like to apologize, but you know that I'm not going to," and walked away. I am not sure if his welcome wore out, or if he just got tired, but eventually quit coming around.

Response by SGT George Stephens made Jul 30 at 2020 3:21 PM

2020-07-30T15:21:14-04:00

This is a tricky situation. If a retired E9 stops a younger enlisted and corrects them on uniform or assistance with understanding regulations then cool! By this i mean an E4 walking with their hands in their pockets and rocking a headset, then yes! Do what's needed to correct them.

However, he mist understand that his knowledge is appreciated but also know that he simply just can't do a lot that he used to do.

Response by SSG James Bigbie made Jul 31 at 2020 2:50 AM

2020-07-31T02:50:28-04:00

When I was at Knox we had our Battalion CSM retire. For the next week, he still came in every day in uniform. Finally the Battalion CO told him to stop. For another week, he came in civilian clothes. Battalion CO had to tell him again to go home and stay home. Kind of sad to see.

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Jul 31 at 2020 9:12 AM

2020-07-31T09:12:13-04:00

Go to your army equivalent of the Company Gunny and let him know it’s a problem. He’ll go thru his network to fix it diplomatically. He’s retired not active and he deserves respect, but has no authority over active personnel.

Response by CMSgt John Owens made Jul 31 at 2020 12:52 PM

2020-07-31T12:52:30-04:00

I would recommend that you still be polite to him, and advise him he is retired.. Ask him, why he is uniform? What official function is he attending? Just because you retired does not allow you to wear the Uniform Anytime you want, it has to be official business( retirements, Dining In/Out, or for Veterans Day, Memorial Day things like that, not just put it on and walk around, harassing people.. if it continues report it to your chain of command..I would advise you not to be rude to him, but dont take his crap either.. Just my 2 cents..

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2020 1:20 PM

2020-07-31T13:20:35-04:00

I concur with CSM ZaGara. Make sure the facts are lined up. If I were a junior Soldier, I wouldn't challenge the CSM. Show respect and go to your chain of command if in question. Some senior people are on leave for months before they actually retire. I left the regular Army as a Major years ago, and frequently did one and two day duties here and there for about four months while I was on transitional leave. I wasn't running around giving directives either, but be careful.

A retired CSM is just that, retired and cannot issue directives over installation command, unless hired as a civilian member of the command team, for example, deputy commander. Such a directive would still require approval of the actual commander anyways, so it would not be his directive, but idea.

As for retired commissioned officers, we can only take command when given written orders, effectively putting us back on active duty. Sure, we still have our commissions, can administer oaths of commission and enlistment and wear dress uniforms after retirement, but this is mostly ceremonial in nature. Retired CSMs as do officers, or any retired Soldier, all have the potential to serve on active duty again during a national crises. A retired CSM may or may not come back on active duty as a CSM if ever called to though. Perhaps he/she would come back as a SGM on staff just as I would.

It is customary that a retired CSM be treated like a VIP at change of command and responsibility ceremonies and sit under the canopy. As a retired LTC, I seldom get this privilege. You can seek from a retired CSM or LTC and they can provide, coaching and mentorship to any officer or enlisted Soldier. This should happen anyways, and not just from retired CSMs, but any retired Soldier. Sometimes the best mentorship actually comes from the retired SSG who spent a career in the supply cage.

Perhaps within a private voluntary club on the installation, can a retired CSM or other retired Soldier, who is elected or appointed to a position of responsibility, issue a directive within that club only. For example, if the NCO club was ever re-established, and a retired CSM elected club President, then he may be able to issue a directive that the Class A uniform be worn within the club on Friday or else one does not come in.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 14 at 2020 8:12 AM

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No, but he can go on post and shop for fishing rod and equipment, and return to his fishing hole, and of course the class 6 liquor store is always available for all retirees!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 14 at 2020 8:15 AM

2020-08-14T08:15:05-04:00

Wow! He needs medical attention!

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Aug 22 at 2020 7:20 PM

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Byron Skinner. The proper procedure is to inform you Platoon Leader of the issue, he/she may already have the answer. If not you just made it his and the chain of commands issue. It is unlikely that a 2nd. Lt. would sit on that kind of information and it wold be given to the Company CO.

Response by SFC Chuck Martinez made Sep 15 at 2020 7:43 PM

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Oh hell no, when on active duty, you might be full of piss and vinegar but when you retire, you are just a Vet with no authority what-so-ever!

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Sep 16 at 2020 3:22 AM

2020-09-16T03:22:06-04:00

Well Specialist, the first issue is "reportedly", unless you can verify this, it's just, for lack of a better term, bullshit. Second, directives are written, not verbally given, that would be orders. And last, there are many employment scenarios where wearing his uniform is part of the job requirements, JROTC for one. This is definitely a case of stay in your paygrades lane, It is not for you to question what he is doing, especially if all you have to go on is hearsay. If , for some chance, you do interact with him, extend him every curtesy, nod your head, say "roger SGM" and when finished, inform your CoC. You will not win if you get into a pissing contest with him, or disrespect him. Yes , he is retired, But he absolutely knows YOUR CSM, and probably can walk into his office unannounced and have a chat.

Response by SSG Robert Perrotto made Sep 16 at 2020 12:43 PM

2020-09-16T12:43:08-04:00

Going to comment a second time - Before you do anything, make damn sure you are not in the wrong, because if he is correcting something, he may not have military authority over you, but he damn sure does have access to someone who does, so if you are in the wrong, and he is correcting you, first, do not get into a pissing contest, and second, get yourself squared away. Because if you DO go to your Chain of Command, the first thing they will ask you is, "why did he come up to you". If it's because you were a soup sandwich, it's not going to go well for you, and, if you would have just corrected yourself and drove on, it would not be an issue.

Response by CPO Kurt Baschab made Sep 24 at 2020 9:28 PM

2020-09-24T21:28:40-04:00

THIS IS JUST MY TWO CENTS, SO PLEASE DOT GO CRAZY ATTACKING ME.

some individual have a hard time adjusting to Civilian Lifestyle as much as they did to the Military Lifestyle when they First Join the Military at 18.

I would politely talk to the retired CSM & the Command to see if we had a number of retired INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD BE Interested in Mentoring young solder & Sailors, taking them under there wing to help them get there Finances under Control, before they get into hot water, or in to much Debt and Indebtedness, to talk to the young men and women about the pit fall this has on your military Career,& the dangers of payday Loans , help young solder and Sailors in how to Finance a vehicle, and maybe even go with them to the dealership to ensure,the dealership does not rip them off.

there always someone who needs a Mentor, sometimes having a Newley retired Mentor is a good thing they are still fresh on military rules and reg, and the member can talk to them without fear, of what they say being reported to the command, and the mentor can hopefully get the individual Straightened out. and help them move up & Advance in there military careers.

if he is looking to feel like he is still part of the team, then I say Use him or her, you just have to find that use . and where it Legal to be able to use him or her.

i know the Coast Guard has the CPOA (Chief Petty Officer Association) I am almost Positive the United States Army has a counter part , this Association is full of Active Duty , Retired, Chief, Senior Chiefs, and Master Chiefs who Volunteer there Time. to raise Money in order to help fellow Coastie's .

I MYSELF Had no Problem Retiring from the Military, and moving forward with my Life, believe me when I say this,there IS LIFE OUTSIDE THE MILITARY.
SO GO FOUTH AND ENJOY YOUR NEW FOUND 2ND CAREER . YOUR NEW ADVENTURE.

OR SEE IF THE COMMAND CAN FIND A USE FOR YOU. EITHER WAY ENJOY.

Response by SGM Edward Sullivan made Oct 5 at 2020 5:26 PM

2020-10-05T17:26:28-04:00

I wouldn’t even THINK of trying anything like that. when I retired the ONLY thing offered to me after 9/11 was Notification SGM. I lost 7 soldiers on Active Duty, I had to go to each ones Spouse/Girl Friend/Boy friend. I NEVER WANTED TO REPEAT THAT ANGUISH. I will stay Retired and Revel when an Active Duty Soldier recognizes me as one of theirs!!!!!!

Response by SFC Mike Mason made Oct 5 at 2020 6:10 PM

2020-10-05T18:10:38-04:00

I have been RETIRED 26 years. I played a lot of golf w/Retired CSM's, O5/O6/O7/O8, one time rode in golf cart with an O9, 5th Army CO. Usually after introductions, it is ascertained HOW TO address the person. Usually, it was by first name, but on occasion someone would introduce themselves with rank prefix, that how I addressed them unless otherwise directed. Never had an issue with, they varied from WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Classified SOF, they earned it and in turn they RESPECTED my time. I have spent much time military bases since retiring, never wore uniform (but it still fits) and hangs ready under plastic, just have to shine brass. The situation described in OP, 'Rag Bag' SPC, dressed down by a CSM(R), wrong is wrong, right is right, probably should have listened, but that is why they are a 10 year TIS SPC. Upon reflection, the only time I have yelled at someone like this was on the golf course, Reveille was being played, I stood w/hand over heart, others were still playing adjacent to us, I yelled for them to render Honors.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 6 at 2020 10:51 AM

2020-10-06T10:51:41-04:00

The tradition is that retired soldiers are given respect and for the most part they do not cross back over the line. The commander of the post should have him spoken to and reminded of his responsibility. You can take the soldier out of the military but it is hard to take the military out of the soldier.

Response by SPC John Richardson made Oct 6 at 2020 11:01 AM

2020-10-06T11:01:20-04:00

And what is the purpose of doing 20 or 30 years and retiring if all you are going to do is come back in uniform and issuing directives - you did your bit now leave the others to do theirs.

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Oct 6 at 2020 2:52 PM

2020-10-06T14:52:20-04:00

Only if he is a living turd.

Response by 1SG Michael Blount made Oct 7 at 2020 11:51 AM

2020-10-07T11:51:51-04:00

No, and he's a @$$ if he does ! He needs to let go and understand someone else is in charge now.

Response by SFC Carlos Gamino made Oct 7 at 2020 3:04 PM

2020-10-07T15:04:37-04:00

Can they act as such? Yes they can act what ever roll they want. Does a civilian or a normal, reasonable person have to tolerate their behavior? No.

Response by CW3 Joseph Lawrence made Oct 7 at 2020 4:58 PM

2020-10-07T16:58:46-04:00

I found it difficult, when I retired, not to include myself in any conversation unless I was asked for my opinion. I found it out a long time ago that experience is for someone else to draw on not to have it shoved down their throat. What may have worked well for you in the past may not be workable in the future. If this person becomes a problem, then it is up to the commander to clear the problem up.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2020 12:29 PM

2020-10-10T12:29:10-04:00

About as much as my ex wife can tell me what to watch on My tv.

Response by A1C Gus Mimikos made Oct 28 at 2020 9:23 PM

2020-10-28T21:23:59-04:00

He has n authority or cannot issue any commands but just be kind and respectful as long as he is on post legally with a pass. It can't hurt why he comes back maybe he is going thru separation anxiety. After I got out of the Military I felt Lost. I felt the loss of comradery. Hope I spelled it right. He misses his buddies , and the "Life" and now he is out he hates that he has someone else in Authority barking orders at him. The WIFE. Someday you young guys will face separation and wish you could be back in after spending a few days with the Mrs. After a month , I was looking for an excuse to go back.
Even today, the American Legion has a Program called Legion College. It happens in April. OMG to all us Old Farts ,it gives us a Vacation for a weekend at a Military base like in New Jersey it is Sea Girt Army National Guard Base right on the beach.We have classes on the Legion, eat in a Real Army Mess Hall,and sleep in Real Army Barracks. Join the American Legion and it is one of the Perks of joining.Just a quick note.Just imagine being 60-or 70 years old and sleeping on Army cots. We have fun at night in the barracks, even with the snoring and farting and drinking. Best of all there is no Drill Sarges babysitting us. oops pic below where I learned to march before basic.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Nov 3 at 2020 10:12 PM

2020-11-03T22:12:18-05:00

Not no, but HELL NO!!!!

Response by SPC Edvard Svanoe made Dec 18 at 2020 12:26 PM

2020-12-18T12:26:48-05:00

Said individual should be "invited" to the Post Commanders Office.... and politely informed of the penalties for impersonating an ACTIVELY SERVING Staff member. There is little worse than usurped Authority or Stolen Valor.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2020 8:57 AM

2020-12-24T08:57:06-05:00

“Time to let go” SGM.... Just let it go...

Response by TSgt Jon Eckertson made Dec 24 at 2020 9:04 PM

2020-12-24T21:04:16-05:00

In His Own Mind!!!

Response by CMSgt Lloyd French made Dec 25 at 2020 9:09 AM

2020-12-25T09:09:25-05:00

Reverse roles for a minute. If you, a retired service member, saw a uniformed member violating rules, presenting "conduct unbecoming", or acting contrary to military bearing, good order, and discipline...what would YOU do? Let it slide? You could "offer to correct" the service member in a diplomatic way. I mean, if you think about it, "diplomacy" is telling someone to take a LONG walk off a SHORT pier...and having them thank you for the free trip. If you identify yourself as a (service branch) retiree or veteran, state what you observed & how it made you feel, why you think it was inappropriate, and express a hope that you message is received...THAT is diplomacy...but if you publicly humiliate someone (i.e. criticize in front of others), expect someone to ask you to take the walk.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2020 12:09 PM

2020-12-26T12:09:22-05:00

No hell no and if the retired guy continues to act like a jerk ....he might get his teeth knocked out simple as that....

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2020 3:04 PM

2020-12-26T15:04:57-05:00

If he is still on terminal leave, he still has rank and authority. Also, by "issuing directives" do you mean stuff like "blouse your boots" or do you mean stuff like "go cut the grass in front of the commanders parking spot"?

Let's say he is still on terminal leave, but no longer holding the position of CSM. He still has absolute authority to make on the spot corrections, but tasking Soldiers to "do something" would have to go through their chain of command.

Response by CDR William Kempner made Dec 27 at 2020 12:21 PM

2020-12-27T12:21:44-05:00

That is WAY wrong. Someone of higher rank on active duty, preferably an O-5/O-6 needs to quietly take the SGM aside and tell him that he is RETIRED. No need to embarrass anybody, and he is entitled to the respect of his rank always. But that is it. I had to go back onto my last station a couple of times after I retired for admin stuff, but while my men were still polite to me-we ended on good terms-, as my wife put it "It's not yours anymore." And it was obvious. Most people come to terms with that after a month or so, but the SGM in uniform, issuing directives?? Some kind but firm counselling is in order.

Response by CSM Larry Shaw made Dec 27 at 2020 2:28 PM

2020-12-27T14:28:18-05:00

Wow , let it go CSM

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Dec 27 at 2020 2:36 PM

2020-12-27T14:36:21-05:00

Nope and you should talk to him about it and if he continues or rebukes you for it, report it to your chain of command

Response by PO1 Charles Coffee made Dec 27 at 2020 6:20 PM

2020-12-27T18:20:37-05:00

Some people have a hard time letting go?

Response by Sgt James Gross made Dec 27 at 2020 6:26 PM

2020-12-27T18:26:34-05:00

I had a few who acted that way when I was volunteering at the local VA Hospital. They usually got what they dished out at me. I reminded them that they are no longer in the service and I am not your slave. They usually shut up after that.

Response by SFC James Corona made Dec 27 at 2020 7:19 PM

2020-12-27T19:19:45-05:00

Using Rank military mentality after discharge is difficilt to control. I retired after 20 years as an SFC in the U.S. Army and discovered my military leadership pyche kicked in with first civilian job. I made many enemies and had to reprogram my "attitude" which didn't come easily.

Needless to say, it took years to grow in and allow the civilian mindset for effective communication with peers. I concluded that many military retirees would be more successful in launching their own business without having to tolerate the civilian opinion drag.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Dec 27 at 2020 8:09 PM

2020-12-27T20:09:29-05:00

I can't believe this is being asked. Of course Not!

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Dec 27 at 2020 10:36 PM

2020-12-27T22:36:25-05:00

I heard about a NG MG coming on post and was kicked off the post.

Response by SGT Bud Mullins made Dec 27 at 2020 11:46 PM

2020-12-27T23:46:33-05:00

Of course not. I am a seven hear Army Veteran with eleven years with the Civil Air Patrol, which is a subsidiary of the United States Air Force. Our HQ is at Tinker AFB in Oklahoma and I was a squadron Commander of a CAP UNIT and as a Lt Col, wearing the AF Officer's dress uniform, I had a lot of enlisted and lower ranking officers salute me but I had no jurisdiction over them. They did it out of respect for the Uniform and the Bars on my shoulder.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Dec 28 at 2020 5:16 AM

2020-12-28T05:16:51-05:00

Talk about being institutionalized.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2020 8:04 AM

2020-12-28T08:04:59-05:00

NO. end of discussion.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2020 11:12 AM

2020-12-28T11:12:25-05:00

No.

Response by Wayne Soares made Dec 28 at 2020 3:14 PM

2020-12-28T15:14:56-05:00

Thanks for the question Michael

Response by 1SG Dennis Hicks made Dec 28 at 2020 4:02 PM

2020-12-28T16:02:42-05:00

Now thats funny, troops should go over to his house and walk on the grass with their hands in their pockets while smoking/vaping. For some it takes a while, my first time getting out it took me 3 years to slow down, the last time (retirement) I was in full civilian mode in 2 days :)

Response by SGT Teddy Holtry made Dec 28 at 2020 7:07 PM

2020-12-28T19:07:35-05:00

Directives for what, If you don't have the manpower and the followers your just blowing gas!

Response by SSG B George Hammond made Dec 28 at 2020 7:42 PM

2020-12-28T19:42:55-05:00

That's illegal. It's impersonating a soldier. Wow.

Response by SSG Greg Miech made Dec 28 at 2020 10:53 PM

2020-12-28T22:53:14-05:00

Just give them the courtesy and respect, notify the First Sergeant or you CSM. You have other things to deal with at your own level.

Response by SFC Erin Barnett made Dec 30 at 2020 4:28 PM

2020-12-30T16:28:27-05:00

Before you got ignoring ANY CSM, remember they are a small group. While he may not have any direct authority over you anymore, be assured, he knows someone who does.

Response by SSgt Paul Parish made Dec 31 at 2020 5:34 PM

2020-12-31T17:34:23-05:00

Can always tell a lifer, just can’t tell him much..

Response by SGM Miguel Espinoza made Jan 5 at 2021 11:53 AM

2021-01-05T11:53:02-05:00

If he was in uniform then he was probably not officially retired. As a good leader he wants to make sure that he leaves the Army better than when he entered. Now, I have seen some people that can't seem to let it go and if anyone is actually doing what they say then they are wrong. With that being said, if you are doing something wrong and you just don't like being corrected then fix yourself so that no one has to tell you that you are wrong whether it be uniform violations or actions on or off duty.

Response by CWO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2021 7:32 PM

2021-01-10T19:32:00-05:00

Once you retire it’s time to let it go. Just relax and enjoy the benefits of years of service, be glad your free.

Response by SSG George Duncan made Feb 8 at 2021 5:55 PM

2021-02-08T17:55:09-05:00

Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Feb 14 at 2021 8:49 PM

2021-02-14T20:49:23-05:00

I would show respect, but refer him to the active CSM to clarify is role.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2021 8:30 PM

2021-02-17T20:30:17-05:00

No. Typical power tripping POG SGM (Ret).

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Feb 17 at 2021 11:10 PM

2021-02-17T23:10:52-05:00

SPC Private RallyPoint Member Sure he attempt to, until he is counseled by the BDE, DIV or Post CSM,

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Feb 18 at 2021 12:28 AM

2021-02-18T00:28:29-05:00

no. just. no.

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Feb 18 at 2021 12:29 AM

2021-02-18T00:29:42-05:00

tell him to pound sand. I mean, you could make sport of it. If he thinks he has that kind of juice, and he doesn't, it might do him well to learn the juice ain't in the squeeze.

Response by PO1 Darren Martin made Mar 8 at 2021 2:04 PM

2021-03-08T14:04:30-05:00

Tell him to shove it, I’m retired and was at a PX and had someone ask me about my beard and if I have a shave chit. I told them it’s up my butt.

Response by PFC David McLeod made Mar 12 at 2021 7:39 AM

2021-03-12T07:39:41-05:00

Absolutely not nor should he expect to but old CSMs have earned a little bit of deference. To me it's a fine line. He is who he is but one would hope common sense was part of the skill set that got him to that rank. I for one treat every veteran as if they still hold the rank out of courtesy.
That job I did for a retired four star had me pressing and polishing, though. LOL
Must've done it right as he paid me one of the highest compliments of my life when he said I would've made a good CSM had I stayed in.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2021 8:04 AM

2021-03-15T08:04:36-04:00

I worked in Corps Staff for 2 years. Anyone who works at that level knows what’s that mean. Some people call it the retirement home for seniors. I have seen both senior NCOs and Officers who worked until the day they signed out on leave, and I have seen some who cut loose the moment their packets got approved, but still dropped by from time to time because they either have to be on post for something which requires them to be in uniform or just showing face. And oftentimes, people thought they had already retired, but they had not even started their leaves yet. I had a CW4 and a LTC who did Training With Industry (TWI) for three months as part of their retirement process before retiring. Sometimes unless you’re in the know things will not always be visible to you, and you will not always know what’s going on and why certain things happened.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Mar 15 at 2021 12:58 PM

2021-03-15T12:58:27-04:00

Some retired senior NCSs have a problem with being retired. They either miss being on active duty or feel that it's t heir right to be the old man on duty. Even some retired officers feel like this.

Response by SCPO Ken Badoian made Mar 19 at 2021 12:40 PM

2021-03-19T12:40:08-04:00

Only if he is an egomaniac and sleeps in his uniform. He can wear it, I guess, but why? someone may just tell him, if it is still permissible, to shove it. That's an E9 for you. Glad I was a SCPO (E8) USN. Pulling E7's and Pushing E9's.

Response by CH (CPT) Jerry McGowin made Mar 20 at 2021 8:19 AM

2021-03-20T08:19:27-04:00

The current CSM should be left to deal with it

Response by CH (CPT) Jerry McGowin made Mar 20 at 2021 8:19 AM

2021-03-20T08:19:57-04:00

Let the current CSM deal with it.

Response by SGT Scott Henderson made Mar 20 at 2021 5:29 PM

2021-03-20T17:29:49-04:00

They probably shouldn't because it would just make them look like a gigantic tool bag Then again any senior enlisted that would do that is most likely a gigantic tool bag to begin with and most likely refer to their spouse as "household 6"

Response by MAJ Vance Fleming made Mar 20 at 2021 7:08 PM

2021-03-20T19:08:45-04:00

After a long career of military service, some people cannot let it go because they feel it is the only value they have in life. If this is actually happening, his replacement needs to address the issue by telling the old guy to go find a new hobby.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2021 9:11 PM

2021-03-20T21:11:58-04:00

If this were an issue, the Commander would be the one to make the correction. Not a SPC. If you are really that concerned, speak to a senior NCO or a Commander. Show respect. If you knew he was a past CSM, show him his respect. Don't try to 'correct' your way out of it. This is still the Army.

Response by MAJ Alan Montgomery made Mar 21 at 2021 1:47 PM

2021-03-21T13:47:31-04:00

He is dishonoring his rank, disrespecting and showing distrust in the Army he helped train to carry forward in his absence. If he has control issues or issues of power he needs to seek council before the current command structure insists on it. He obviously has forgotten that old soldiers don't retire the FADE away so a new generation can carry on.

Response by PO2 Alfonso LaRocca made Mar 21 at 2021 6:21 PM

2021-03-21T18:21:37-04:00

No mind your own business

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 21 at 2021 7:37 PM

2021-03-21T19:37:10-04:00

No, obviously, not! But, I'd also be concerned about why he feels he has to. I'm sure what he is saying is not inaccurate. Does the fact that he is retire make what he is saying less true? Soldiers blow off personnel in civilian clothes all the time on base---that's the real problem. A Soldier blew off the new 3-star CSM who was telling the Soldier to put her mask on at the PX---the CSM was right. It is a Garrison policy. But, because he was in civilians, she felt what he said didn't matter. She asked to see his ID card. I think you can imagine how the rest went. This CSM could have been retired. Because of his retirement, does that make his mask correction invalid? If she saw a retired ID card, does that mean she didn't have to put her mask on? You'll know if what he is saying is unlawful, but if its not and its simply because he's retired you take issue with it, that says more about your willingness to learn and listen than his status. Focus on what he is saying, not who he is. Some of the best advise comes from people you don't expect. You might just learn something.

Response by SFC Dennis Rodriguez made Mar 22 at 2021 12:21 AM

2021-03-22T00:21:01-04:00

No, but I would still listen and respond accordingly. It would depend on what is said and how it is said.

Response by CSM Thomas McGarry made Mar 22 at 2021 2:52 PM

2021-03-22T14:52:23-04:00

I suppose he can try and probably one should give him common courtesy but someone also needs to remind him that he's no longer in the chain of command, probably a good job for the current CSM!

Response by COL John Washington made Mar 22 at 2021 5:28 PM

2021-03-22T17:28:06-04:00

Wow, this has been a hot topic for decades!

My feelings are that a retiree should always be treated with the respect and honor for which they have achieved. Yet the reality is that we all must except that our time has past and we must move on. We should help those by giving constructive advice (but not directives or orders). Which also means we have to respect the responsibilities and authority that now belong to those who come behind us.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2021 12:05 AM

2021-03-24T00:05:57-04:00

Sometimes it is difficult to disengage from correction. The corrections come from the standpoint that if a Soldier does not care about their dress (hands in the pocket, smart-mouth, talking on cell in public), it is flag to be corrected.
But as stated, he is retired. He should release the reins to other CSMs and 1SGs to allow them to grow and prosper.

Response by CW4 Steven Bowyer made Mar 24 at 2021 9:11 AM

2021-03-24T09:11:59-04:00

The CSM is overstepping his bounds if he is issuing directives, but just using the term directive is painting the scene with a pretty broad brush. If not contrary to directives already received, just humor the CSM. Then the best thing for you to do is to ask your leadership and/or command element about it and ask what their policy is to be concerning the CSM's actions. I'm sure your 1SG, SMG or CSM would want to handle it in their own way.

I have no problem with retired NCO's or Officer's making on the spot corrections. If the soldier responds negatively, the retired personnel should not get in a confrontation. Note the name and rank and follow up with command if the situation warrants it. I remember catching an off duty SPC in uniform pumping gas with an earring in his ear. I showed him my ID Card, asked him his assigned unit. Since he was in uniform, I asked him to remove his earring in accordance with regulation. He did. End of story. Not to make a correction such as this would be wrong.

Response by PFC James Edward VERNON jr made Mar 24 at 2021 12:52 PM

2021-03-24T12:52:08-04:00

I WOULD THINK HE RETIRED TO GET AWAY FROM THE "RIGORS" OF COMMANDING. BUT AS IS THE "NORM" IN SOME CASES, "YOU CAN NOT TEACH...NEW TRICKS".

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2021 8:51 PM

2021-03-24T20:51:05-04:00

No and I imagine 999/1000 wouldn’t dream of it. But still is it hard to walk away from the life fully and every time a retired Soldier comes around to check in make sure you give them a few minutes of your time. Life after the Army is difficult to adjust too.

Response by SFC Hartis Dail made Mar 26 at 2021 12:01 PM

2021-03-26T12:01:00-04:00

Well your buddy was wrong and even,tho the can could not do anything directly he could get him in plenty of trouble. Any retired personnel are to be afforded the respect and authority of their rank and a little known fact is when a person retires they are in the retired reserve until age 62

Response by GySgt Jesse Guillen made Mar 26 at 2021 4:49 PM

2021-03-26T16:49:58-04:00

wow, this guy has issues hahaha, he needs to CSM back at his house!!!

Response by CWO4 Tim Hecht made Mar 28 at 2021 6:09 PM

2021-03-28T18:09:12-04:00

Politely, but firmly, say; “Go pound salt!”

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 28 at 2021 6:19 PM

2021-03-28T18:19:06-04:00

I mean, technically he can act however he likes just like you can act like he doesn't exist since he has no authority.

Response by SSG Daniel Brewster made Mar 28 at 2021 9:08 PM

2021-03-28T21:08:40-04:00

On a more positive note, I live in a military town now and while I don’t work on base, I run into retired E8s and E9s (and even an O8), many of whom are still affiliated with the military community. Universally they’re all pretty cool. I laughed when I met the O8 as I had been chewing the fat with him for half an hour before I asked him what he did in the Army. I told him, “Sir, I feel like I should stand up and salute”. He just laughed.

Response by CSM Jim Corrin made Mar 29 at 2021 10:35 AM

2021-03-29T10:35:24-04:00

Wrong answer. He has retired and has no retained authority. Report issues through your current chain of command. We respect the rank.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Mar 29 at 2021 1:38 PM

2021-03-29T13:38:20-04:00

The answer to the question is: YES he can "come onto post and ACT as if he was still active duty. Does he have the authority to enforce his request? NO. The CW4 has the best advise--walk off.

Response by CSM Jim Corrin made Mar 29 at 2021 8:00 PM

2021-03-29T20:00:39-04:00

"reportedly" what are you saying, SPC ?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2021 10:06 PM

2021-03-29T22:06:20-04:00

He is dead wrong. He needs to find a life after retirement or he should lose his benefits if he keeps harassing Soldiers or impersonating an active SGM. Maybe he needs treatment for other issues he is experiencing.

Response by SFC Terry Bryant made Apr 2 at 2021 11:11 AM

2021-04-02T11:11:35-04:00

Retired means just that retired. However understand this. While they have no authority to give commands to ANYONE that does not mean they do not deserve the respect of enlisted or officers he or she encounters. They still have a right to do on the spot corrections for instance. If he tells you to tuck in your PT shirt then do it. If a CSM or even a SFC is doing an OTS correction to ANY active duty or guard Soldier then you better listen. Because if I was your commander or first line leader I would light your ass up for disrespecting a current or former enlisted member. As for a RETIRED CSM to be coming on post and giving directives or commands without invitation from senior leadership, that is unacceptable and frankly unlawful. No one can impersonate an active member of the military even if they were at one time.

Response by CPT Jerry Lucas made Apr 25 at 2021 3:15 AM

2021-04-25T03:15:06-04:00

The CSM (and the rest of us retirees) have no authority unless we are recalled to active duty. We cannot order even the newest recruit to do a darn thing. Our retired status means our rank is purely honorary, but we still show due respect to the other retirees that have earned the rank as we want the respect of our earned rank. As far as making on the spot corrections, we can make suggestions and we can talk with that individual's NCO's, but that is about all we can do. I have been retired for almost 25 years and the Army uniforms have been through at least two major changes that I can recall, perhaps even more since I retired in 1996. At this point in my life, I have better things to worry about than minor uniform issues. I am not up to date on the latest uniform changes and probably never will be. I live close to an Air Force Base, where I use the commissary, BX, etc., and have never taken the time to learn their uniform policies and don't plan on starting now.

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made Apr 25 at 2021 8:41 PM

2021-04-25T20:41:48-04:00

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2021 12:02 PM

2021-05-11T12:02:14-04:00

I am curious as to how one 'acts as if he/she was still active duty'?

Response by CWO3 Robert Fong made May 17 at 2021 4:44 PM

2021-05-17T16:44:27-04:00

Specialist, here's the low down on this. HELL NO HE CAN'T! He had his chance when he was on AD. Now that he's retired he is no longer senior to anyone, however, he does command respect and in some cases he still has command priviledges, but that's it. A Master Chief as an examplle, still rates a privileged place in the Chief's Mess, he or she may on some Bases be entitled to Master Chief's Parking at the Exchange or Commissary and they are always invited to Chief's Initiation. That said, the best part of retirement is sitting on the beach in the Bahamas sucking on a cool one and not a care in the world.

Response by LT Marsha Holden made May 26 at 2021 2:31 AM

2021-05-26T02:31:22-04:00

Ridiculous behavior! Get a lift dude!

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made May 31 at 2021 6:30 AM

2021-05-31T06:30:01-04:00

Simple answer. NO.

Response by SFC Chuck Martinez made Jun 7 at 2021 12:25 PM

2021-06-07T12:25:55-04:00

Absolutely not, once retired the only connection or privilege you have in any military post, are PX, commissary, and camping privileges. I have used military camping sites on all branches of service installations all across the country!

Response by SP5 Derick Johnsohne made Jun 17 at 2021 3:30 PM

2021-06-17T15:30:20-04:00

abuse of position, in my opinion . he may provide opinion, if asked, nothing more .

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2021 9:40 PM

2021-06-25T21:40:54-04:00

LMAO..... An E-1 private, outranks a retired sergeant major. Now that's not to say be disrespectful in any way, be tactful but ensure that the civilian formerly known as a sergeant major knows that he has exactly zero authority to issue any directives.

Response by SFC Carlos Cherry made Jul 9 at 2021 12:18 PM

2021-07-09T12:18:39-04:00

LOL

Response by SGT Randall Smith made Jul 11 at 2021 12:25 PM

2021-07-11T12:25:37-04:00

Not all but many "Lifers" never leave the service behind them. That includes officers and em. In Dec. 1968. while home on leave from Germany, my dad told me to call a guy who was home from Nam and had my MOS. So I called and when phone answered I said, " Mr. Jones, is Bobby there? This is Randy Smith." He proceeded to chew me out. " am Maj. Jones not Mr and you will call me by my rank." and so on. When my dad retired he left the service behind him.

Response by SPC Merle Jantz made Jul 21 at 2021 2:01 PM

2021-07-21T14:01:50-04:00

If he can do that, then I, a former E-4, should be allowed back on post to ditch work details to hang out at the PX.

Response by Sgt Stephen Brown made Aug 9 at 2021 5:10 PM

2021-08-09T17:10:35-04:00

So what if he comes on the base in his uniform and barks orders. As you said he is retired and has no real authority anymore. What would it hurt to go along than go about your business. After you retire, from civilian work and especially the military, it takes a little time to let it go. He earned the respect over 30 years of service. You never know he might have some friends Still on base that could make your life miserable.

Response by PO3 Rick Lewis made Aug 16 at 2021 11:15 AM

2021-08-16T11:15:34-04:00

No way! Who does he think he is? He shouldn't even be wearing his old uniform. He's no longer in the service!

Response by PO1 Michael Centeno made Aug 26 at 2021 6:31 PM

2021-08-26T18:31:04-04:00

There are some that determine inactive reserve confers a modicum of voluntary respect to the rank once honorably retired. Once all inactive reserve conditions met and service member did not violate any terms, then all actual ties are considered rendered to the oath, obligation and duties are neither desired nor required. Enjoy the perks and benefits earned. Demanding respect not freely given demeans us all. Be a credit to your branch, compatriots, career, and families. Families to be the highest priority. They get to have you for whats next. The misery and sacrifices they survived for you cannot ever be fully repaid, but we sure can honestly try. Dump baggage detrimental to the effort. God bless and good luck.

Response by 1LT Rich Voss made Oct 21 at 2022 5:31 PM

2022-10-21T17:31:51-04:00

If I had been at his retirement party, I’d ask his former CO to have a nice chat with him. Maybe because I’m an officer and a bit of a stickler for regs. When I was a brand new 2LT the Top at my first assignment said he wouldn’t salute me. Didn’t go well for him.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Jan 31 at 2023 3:19 PM

2023-01-31T15:19:03-05:00

HELL NO! When he retired he became Mister with no authority.

Response by CSM Vern Pratt made Aug 27 at 2023 3:13 PM

2023-08-27T15:13:50-04:00

No, and the fact he wears his uniform is another NO (except for official events/ceremonies). As the LTC pointed out once we retire we are MISTER, any address by former SMs of Sergeant Major honorific, SMs remembering a leader they respected.