Can a Senior Rater put negative comments in your NCOER if he never counseled you on the subject addressed?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 May 2018 11:29:29 -0400

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made May 28 at 2018 12:58 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Mon, 28 May 2018 12:58:51 -0400

As long as it is fact they can put these comments in you rating. It is not the best way to do it but facts are facts. If they are unjust then you can appeal the NCOER. If the report has not yet gone up you can also ask to have a sit down to determine what occurred. Thank you for your service.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2018 1:00 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 May 2018 13:00:58 -0400

Yes. Your senior rater can put whatever they want on your NCOER. However, a good leader would likely communicate with you why you are receiving a negative comment. You are more than welcome and encouraged to appeal it as it is your future. Here's a helpful article explaining some of the facts and myths about NCOER appeals - http://www.ncoer.com/appeal.htm

NCOER.COM NCOER Appeals: Myths and Fact

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Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2018 4:03 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 May 2018 16:03:19 -0400

Sadly yes, the Senior rater can write about anything on his comments. However, a true professional would have conducted counseling to coach and mentor and help correct the deficiency. Waiting to the rating period is done is the coward's way. This also could be said to those NCOs who don't get involved in their career development until is too late. Counseling should be done, often and to the standard.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2018 9:58 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 28 May 2018 21:58:17 -0400

It depends on the comments. The qualification to serve as a Senior Rater is pretty clear, MSG, CSM, CW3-CW5, CPT and above. This is meant to eliminate “immature leaders” who can rate an individual fairly. Did you prepare your NCOER Support IAW AR 623-3? A good deal of NCOs are unaware that they must receive a copy of thier Rater and Senior Rater Support Forms and then prepare thier own. Also, 623-3 states that the SR is supposed to counsel the rated Soldier twice in 12 months. Did you ever request a SR counseling session? Did you ever ha e passing conversions with your SR? Maybe he/she observed behavior they found unfitting of an NCO? Or maybe your Rater put these comments in the SR block as recommendations? Either way, you should speak to your Rater and Senior Rater to get clarification before it’s too late. You can’t appeal and NCOER just because you don’t like it, you can only appeal NCOER that could hurt your career or cause QMP. Any “Did not meet standards” could be a career ender. Remember, the NCOER belongs to the Senior Rater and still requires the rated Soldier be involved. If you never said a word in 12 months, you may have sealed your own fate. I recommend being more proactive when it comes to reports that will affect your career. Good luck.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Sep 27 at 2018 3:17 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Thu, 27 Sep 2018 15:17:55 -0400

The Senior rated is the individual who is supposed to council regarding the actual NCOER. If they choose not to do so and there comments are negative one would hope that the comments are true. They can in fact write comments without actually counseling you.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2021 1:06 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:06:57 -0400

You also have up to 60 days after the senior rater’s signature to request a commander inquiry to look into any unjust, inaccurate, and misleading information.
Another question, Who is overall responsible for writing the Evaluation to ensure that it is accurate? After reviewing ADP 6-22 and AR 600-20. It states that the Leader and the Commander are responsible for ensuring that the rated Soldier is counseled and provided FEEDBACK. I capitalize feedback to emphasize that it’s the Leaders responsibility to be a Leader. I do not understand how a Soldier is responsible for what the senior rater failed to do. The Leadership should be setting the standards clearly to allow a Soldier to succeed and understand the left and right limits. If the leaders fail to do that simple task then are they really leaders?

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Sep 6 at 2021 9:01 PM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Mon, 06 Sep 2021 21:01:27 -0400

Yes. And honestly, you know in your heart if his comments are warranted or not.
It sounds like your Senior Rater is following the example of the DA Centralized Promotion Boards in that they say promote or do not promote, but they never have to explain why.