Can a soldier be forced to attend an Audie Murphy board?

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 14 Sep 2016 20:51:52 -0400

I have an NCO who is being forced to compete in an Audie Murphy board 8 days after notification. Is there any justification to get him out of it? The 1SG is relentless, and the CSM is unresponsive pertaining to the situation.

This is a good NCO, who doesn't want to make a fool of himself at a prestigious Corps level board.

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Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2016 9:14 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:14:16 -0400

I was voluntold way back when. I was not given a choice, I accepted my fate as was inducted. I'm good buddies with a past NCO of the Year for the Army, he didn't volunteer either. However, to answer you question, no, a soldier cannot be forced. That said, if a soldier simply refuses to try I can guarantee that that soldier will receive little to no future positive actions while that chain of command is still in charge. Leaders will select soldiers whom they feel will best represent the unit, and in many units (especially combat arms units), board geeks are looked down upon. So leaders in these units have to "force" qualified soldiers into these situations which actually will better their career. Audie Murphy is practically an instant promotion ahead of peers to E-7 for an E-6. I would dare say that a lot of your E-7s who were selected at seven years TIS were Audie Murphy inductees.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2016 9:15 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:15:17 -0400

That is terrible leadership. 8 days isn't enough time. They can make him but I don't think they're doing him any justice at all.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2016 9:20 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 14 Sep 2016 21:20:14 -0400

I had this happen to me with soldier of the year board (NG does soldier of the year, active soldier of the quarter) It was a NG battalion under an active brigade on deployment. I got voluntold to go to the board with 3 or 4 days of notice (don't recall for sure. At the time I had better things to do than count days!) I heard later that the CSM told 1SG (who wasn't planning to send anybody) that if he didn't send someone to the board he would have to go himself. To my surprise I won the battalion board, and had to fly to KAF for brigade. I was embarrassed by my performance at the brigade board, but later our CSM told me I had gotten second on points at the brigade board.

Response by SFC George Smith made Sep 15 at 2016 1:11 AM

SFC George Smith — Thu, 15 Sep 2016 01:11:49 -0400

Having been retired for 17 years ... I never heard of such a thing...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2016 3:39 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 15 Sep 2016 03:39:17 -0400

I worked for a CSM who was all about Audie Murphy. When I received my NCOER support form under "Leadership" he had put something to the effect of "study for and be selected for induction into SAMC." I didn't say anything at the time but a few days later I exercised the open door policy and we had a long heart to heart talk about SAMC. In the end he did change the bullet.

Personally, I believe there are different ways to progress in rank. Audie Murphy is one but it is not the only way. I have known numerous great NCOs without SAMC and some DBs who have SAMC. It is not a be all end all in leadership. It does however come down to character.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2016 8:03 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 15 Sep 2016 08:03:31 -0400

This happened at my unit as well. The 1SG gathered all the company E-7s and E-6s in a room and told us we weren't going home until we gave him two names (primary and alternate).
After about an hour and listing everyone who could not due to profiles and/or ETS/PCS/Retirement, there were only two people left. They were not too happy, and I sympathize with them.

I always thought boards like these were for those who wanted to compete for something to show their excellence. To make these events a voluntold event just degrades their value, IMHO.

Response by SGT David T. made Sep 15 at 2016 10:46 AM

SGT David T. — Thu, 15 Sep 2016 10:46:47 -0400

I don't think they should be forced. I think if they said flat out "I will embarrass you because I didn't have enough prep time." the 1SG might back down.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2016 5:12 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 15 Sep 2016 17:12:29 -0400

The realistic answer is no he/she cannot be forced, however some leaders take it upon themselves to go above and beyond the call of realism.

It's a lose/lose situation. If said NCO tries to get out of going to the SAM Board, they will likely be looked down upon and if said NCO has 8 days to prepare, they are being set up for failure.

Response by SSG Stephan Pendarvis made Sep 15 at 2016 8:34 PM

SSG Stephan Pendarvis — Thu, 15 Sep 2016 20:34:25 -0400

I hope not...should be a choice...

Response by SSG Ray Murphy made Sep 16 at 2016 4:19 PM

SSG Ray Murphy — Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:19:51 -0400

Makes me wonder who they think will benefit from him attending, them, or the NCO....shitty leadership strikes again.

Response by SFC J Fullerton made Sep 16 at 2016 4:31 PM

SFC J Fullerton — Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:31:27 -0400

I think the bigger picture is that the Army has come to the point that it has to "force" Soldiers to undergo career enhancements and professional development because not many feel it is important enough to them to step up and do it for the betterment of themselves, their unit, and the Army.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 16 at 2016 8:23 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Sep 2016 20:23:42 -0400

I had this happen to me only with Soldier of the month. My PSG thought it would be a good idea to send me so I could get some experience before appearing at a promotion board for E-5. They gave me 4 days notice of the board, with two days left on a FTX. I crammed studied and prepped for the board in 24 hours and came in 2nd. Found out later that the guy the took 1st only did so because the president of the board was his 1SG and his PSG was a member of the board. They pushed for him because they felt that because he was ETSing he deserved to go out on a high note.

Response by PO3 John Keas made Sep 17 at 2016 9:11 AM

PO3 John Keas — Sat, 17 Sep 2016 09:11:08 -0400

I am a Squid, so I had to look that one up...I know who Audie Murphy was (Damn good soldier) Didn't know there was a club...

Anyway...

The Board is recommended for soldiers that the CoC thinks is worthy. I just looked up FORSCOMM Reg 600-80...It's here http://www.hood.army.mil/leaders/csm/FORSCOM-SAMA-Reg600-80.pdf

I would just say the soldier just do his best. If they didn't see something in him, they wouldn't have submitted his name.

Also note, I don't agree with the handling of it, but I still think he should do his best. That's just this squid's opinion anyway.

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Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2016 11:31 AM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 17 Sep 2016 11:31:54 -0400

I love this, huge character and leadership builder. I was in the exact same situation! I had one week to study for the Brigade board and an additional two for the 8th TSC board. Did I get work hours to study? Nope. Did I secretly complain about it? Yep. Did I spend 4-6 hours a night studying my tail off? Absolutely! I learned more going over situational, hypothetical leadership questions in that three weeks than I ever had, minus real world experience. I had good leaders like SGM Tod Jackson who put me in uncomfortable situations to challenge me.

Good leaders learn to adapt, and adapt quickly. Things don't always go our way, leadership is not about winning boards, it's about making sound decisions. Boards are merely a tool to see how someone reacts to pressure and stress.

Even if someone does not pass this board they will learn a ton of good things about the Army and themselves as well become a better leader. SAMC is definitely not the end all be all as I am not a huge fan of the club itself but the board process is outstanding!

BTW ended up passing both boards and being inducted into the club.

Response by SSG Steven O'Connor made Sep 17 at 2016 1:05 PM

SSG Steven O'Connor — Sat, 17 Sep 2016 13:05:56 -0400

Maybe how the NCO performs with 8 days' notice for a prestigious board will be indicative of how he will perform with 8 minutes' notice to JUMP TOC and get his squad or platoon prepared for a combat mission.

Response by CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 19 at 2016 12:02 AM

CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 00:02:12 -0400

I learned, never say no.

Response by CPO William Erickson made Oct 25 at 2016 7:18 PM

CPO William Erickson — Tue, 25 Oct 2016 19:18:28 -0400

Well, being a sailor vise a soldier, I'm not familiar with this board. I take it that it is an evaluation for a prestigious award or opportunity. He may fall on his face today but he gained the experience and knows what to do and not do if he gets another crack at it later. If he wasn't ready for it and was forced into it seems to me the board would know that and question the superior who pressed the issue as to why.

Response by MSG Bob Leonard made Oct 25 at 2016 8:51 PM

MSG Bob Leonard — Tue, 25 Oct 2016 20:51:02 -0400

I was ordered to compete for membership in the SAMC as a condition of keeping my position as PSG as a SSG. Did it, made it, kept it. I was pulled from the field to compete at Corp. I didn't like it but I didn't like a lot of stuff I had to do but I really thought I was a good PSG and the platoon would benefit.

Response by 1SG Brian Bussey made Oct 25 at 2016 9:47 PM

1SG Brian Bussey — Tue, 25 Oct 2016 21:47:21 -0400

Years ago when I was just a young soldier I was told in Korea to attend a soldier of the quarter board in two days with no study materials. I did fine with the CTT hands on but embarrassed myself on the board. It also embarrassed the Jackass CSM who mandated that someone go two days with no prep in the first place. I hope to meet his sorry ass one day.

Response by SPC Jose Toribio made Oct 25 at 2016 9:48 PM

SPC Jose Toribio — Tue, 25 Oct 2016 21:48:41 -0400

I belive hes being set up for failure his leadership has faild him by not informing him in the required time. He should be allowed to prepare before asked to a formal board such as this or any other type. But he should be confident in himself to do it when asked no matter what. Part of being a good soldier is knowing your stuff even when your leadership fails to teach you the nesesary things in being a good soldier. Unfortunately the system is rigged in certain chains of command. The buddy buddy system is well intwined in the military sad ti say. But not in all just a few.

Response by SP5 Isidro M. Chavez made Oct 25 at 2016 11:05 PM

SP5 Isidro M. Chavez — Tue, 25 Oct 2016 23:05:29 -0400

It's an honor to be selected...

I was given 3 days right out of the field to go and get ready for the sergeant of the year for Brigade... I didn't think I was going to make it but I did...

They wouldn't have sent you if they didn't believe in you...

"NO WHINING!"

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 12:32 AM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 00:32:49 -0400

Be proud that your hard work and dedication has given you the platform and recognition. Your obviously have what it takes to be nominated. Be you, take the board and make it your bitch! No harm in saying you don't know an answer. Man the fuk up!

Response by CWO4 Tim Hecht made Oct 26 at 2016 1:18 AM

CWO4 Tim Hecht — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 01:18:22 -0400

As a Retired Coast Guard CWO I had to search for "Audie Murphy Board". It was pretty much what I thought considering the heroism and leadership that Audie Murphy demonstrated during WWII.

SSG Crutcher - if, in your own words, this is a good NCO, and after reviewing the requirements for a candidate going before the board I would say that your NCO is probably better then "good!" Have you discussed with him what his reservations are about participating? If he is concerned about how he presents himself - you can coach him on replying to the boards questions. I sat in on more then a few "Practice" Officer-in-Charge Selection Boards; at the Group Level (at the time a Coast Guard Group, now called Sector) was the Command, Admin, and Logistical Support Unit with smaller Coast Guard Stations and small cutters (110' and smaller) under their control). We would hold a practice board for candidates who were trying to attain command of a Coast Guard Unit, as an enlisted person - very prestigious; stiff competition. After the "board" we would critique the candidates; and then give them advice on how to respond to the questions from the official board. We would also either recommend a candidate go forward or that they weren't ready yet...and why.

Perhaps you could sit down with the NCO talk with him, and have some of his peers participate (like a board) and give him advice on the best way to make a good presentation. On the flip side of it he could always exercise another option - if he feels he isn't deserving of the recognition (even if not selected; he's still going to have positive comments in his record) he can, at the start of his presence before the board - tell them that he wishes to withdraw from consideration. It would be his call but you should be able to help him weigh the consequences of whatever action he takes.
Candidate Requirements:
Soldiers appearing before the board must be in the ranks of CPL through SFC with at least six years of service and supervise at least two Soldiers.
Candidates must display exemplary physical fitness and marksmanship skills. Be mature and share the values of their profession and their unit.
Candidates will possess no derogatory actions in his/her records as a Sergeant or above in the last 12 months (i.e. Article 15, etc).
Candidates must exercise sound leadership principles. Candidates must display examples of professional Army ethics.
Candidates must strengthen and develop the Seven Army Values in Soldiers and display the Warrior Ethos.
The nominee must have a current APFT within 6 months (with a score of 240 or better with a minimum of 80 points per event) and vveapons qualification. Only Soldiers with valid permanent profiles will be excluded from the 240 overall score requirement but must still have 80 point minimum in all other authorized APFT events.
Must possess a GT score of 100 or above.
Candidates must have conducted 20 hours of volunteer service within the current FY and logged in VMIS.

Response by Sgt JoseLuis Andrade made Oct 26 at 2016 3:34 AM

Sgt JoseLuis Andrade — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 03:34:58 -0400

Military wouldn't be military if it didn't offer challenges. Grabbit the bull by the horns and accept the challenge! You''ll never know if you don't go!

Response by SPC Craig Hill made Oct 26 at 2016 5:13 AM

SPC Craig Hill — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 05:13:50 -0400

He should study and get ready, if he messes up all he has to do is pick himself up and drive on.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 7:59 AM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 07:59:42 -0400

I am a Marine so I may be speaking out of turn here...

It is his lack of confidence in himself and, depending on how you want to look at it, a failure of his direct leadership to articulate to him the actual prestige and honor being given him by being nominated for the board.

Like someone else said, someone, at some level, thought well enough of the individual to nominate him for the board. If he doesnt win, so what? At least he will have the experience, and confidence, for the next one. Giving the guy a "pass" is not doing him any favors on a number of different levels.

Response by SFC Dennis A. made Oct 26 at 2016 8:01 AM

SFC Dennis A. — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 08:01:00 -0400

I guess my question is why would you want to? Attitude and want to are a major part of anything we do in life whether it's a board or something as simple as mopping the floor. The quality of the outcome is only going to be as good as the effort put into completing it. Yes if you feel that you have a soldier that is worthy and would benefit from it you have to convince them at they want to do it. Forcing them is only going to waste your time, their time and the Board’s time.

Response by LT John Ritenour made Oct 26 at 2016 8:02 AM

LT John Ritenour — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 08:02:09 -0400

When I was a young Ensign in the Navy, during REFTRA down of sunny Guantanamo. One day on the bridge , one of the instructors said everyone's dead but you - what now? I walked over to the 1MC and took charge (for excercise purposes only). Sometimes you Don what you bigot to do. Go for it Sgt - take charge!

Response by SFC Ronnie Evans made Oct 26 at 2016 9:55 AM

SFC Ronnie Evans — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 09:55:28 -0400

No need to make any Soldier attend a board. Its their decision to progress and move up or stay below their peers.

Response by SFC Lee N Andrea DelPrado made Oct 26 at 2016 12:09 PM

SFC Lee N Andrea DelPrado — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 12:09:34 -0400

I was put in the same situation with about 3 weeks prep time as an E5. I found the board easy as most were mixed situational and standard board questions that most soldiers should know. I did not want to go as we had squad evals coming up and i felt that was more important but was voluntold. Opportunities arise and as NCOs we except the challenges as they come. The worst thing that happens you dont get selected and you gain experience for you and others following you. We all know most 1SG have a few select they favor over other NCOs. Now is the time to show your real salt. Are you faking the funk or are you the real deal that faces challenges head on. We have all seen that PT stud NCO or suckup that the coc thinks is a leader but the rest of us know is dumb as a post. If that's you then you will probably not do well. If you are that NCO that is well rounded you will be fine as long as you dont bullshit your answers. If you dont know then you dont know, own it. Be the NCO you are as the chain has faith in you, knowing your character. Unless the real reason for avoidance is your true character will be revealed. If its fear of failure thats you holding yourself back. Everyone fails its what you do after the failure that shows a person's real character. Audie Murphy member since 2000 Korea.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 12:13 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 12:13:58 -0400

What is an Audie Murphy panel?

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Oct 26 at 2016 12:19 PM

SSgt Christophe Murphy — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 12:19:37 -0400

Going up on boards is part of the game. Don't fight it because that is not a fight you will win. The bottom line is troops should know the information and already be prepared. No different than trying to get out of a uniform inspection because it isn't ready. It is required to have and should already be prepped. You won't win against a E8/E9 with stuff like this.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 1:00 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 13:00:45 -0400

Some times you have to do shit because your in the Army and you don't have a choice. Can't say I agree with it, but screw it. I am not a board fan but study hard for 8 days a give it a shot...When it is his turn to introduce himself make sure you let it be known...passively that you have been studying hard the last 8 days. Remember a board doesn't make you a good Soldier...it just means you can remember shit and handle a little pressure.

Response by Sgt Jeremy Harris made Oct 26 at 2016 1:01 PM

Sgt Jeremy Harris — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 13:01:43 -0400

Someone sees something this NCO doesn't see in themselves. Go for it. I was once given a 15 hour notice of a board. Not much time to prepare, but I took that board anyway and was promoted the following month. You will rise to the occasion.

Response by MSG Donald Bedford made Oct 26 at 2016 1:14 PM

MSG Donald Bedford — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 13:14:45 -0400

Back when i was a E4, i went to a Soldier of the Month board, never been real good at boards, i felt like i screwed up every question. The last question was from the CSM. He said, " i see that you meet the qualifications for the E5 board, why have you not been recomend for it". I did not have to think about that answer. I looked him in the eye and said" SM, when my 1SG feels like i am ready for the E5 board, he will send me to the E5 board" I won that board and appeared infront of the E5 board the following month. Tell your Soldier to be the best Soldier he can be and dont try to BS any answers. He will do just fine.

Response by SGT Joshua Coppola made Oct 26 at 2016 1:27 PM

SGT Joshua Coppola — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 13:27:15 -0400

They way I see it, it's your soldier's choice to go or not. Worrying about making a fool of himself shouldn't be the reason to not go. It's their career, all you can do is offer guidance, and if they choose to go, provide them time to study and mentor them as much as you can beforehand.

Response by SFC Pitufu Estuardo made Oct 26 at 2016 1:29 PM

SFC Pitufu Estuardo — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 13:29:58 -0400

NO, THE ANSWER IS NO!
NO SOLDIER SHOULD BE FORCED TO ATTEND THIS. IF YOU ARE A LEADER THAT THINKS DIFFERENT...WELL, THE ANSWER IS NO!

YOUR A PHONE CALL AWAY...THE WAY OUR ARMY IS HEADING.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 2:06 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 14:06:03 -0400

The comments and question of this thread represent everything wrong with SAMC and the NCO corps in general.
That SSG should recognize the opportunity for what it is and chargecthe hill. If he doesn't get selected, so what. All it cost him was time. If he really is a good NCO, then he should be able to handlecthe board. It is a leadership board.
Second is SAMC is not something soldiers should be flocking to for a bullet on their ncoer. If they are SAMC caliber NCOs, then their ncoers are being written in full without needing that bullet. You do not ask to go to the SAMC board. You are selected by your 1SG because you exhibit outstanding technical, tactical, and leadership ability. Because your sphere of influence is growing beyond your squad and your platoon.
Being part of SAMC is not about you. It is about being that top percentage of the corps and giving back to the corps. It is about referent authority and humility. If you are asking to go, you are the wrong NCO.

Response by SPC Todd Bastin made Oct 26 at 2016 2:12 PM

SPC Todd Bastin — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 14:12:32 -0400

We are talking about an NCO here. Being an NCO, they have been in front of boards before. Preparation needed should be minimal. Looking sharp, and being confident yet subordinate are the key. Most important... Do not guess the answers!

Response by SGT Gus Pros made Oct 26 at 2016 2:20 PM

SGT Gus Pros — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 14:20:51 -0400

Mind you I got out as an E-4 but I did hold my stripes for a year I was in a light infantry unit. I lost my stripes and I blame only myself for letting them put me in that situation to make it happen. I seen it coming and I let it happen. I should have stood up and fought it. But I took it. Thinking ok this is a learning experience I can bounce back from it. Well as it turns out that was not the Mind you I got out as an E-4 but I did hold my stripes for a year I was in a light infantry unit. I lost my stripes and I blame only myself for letting them put me in that situation to make it happen. I seen it coming and I let it happen. I should have stood up and fought it. But I took it. Thinking ok this is a learning experience I can bounce back from it. Well as it turns out that was not the case. My PSG sent me to PLDC/WLC to avoid me from going to a mandatory E-5 board. I passed WLC. About a year latter My grandmother passes I go to the funeral out of state. I come back and I am informed I am on the board in 2 days. Ok so I cram. I walk into the board and a MAJ is sitting on the board and the first question the MAJ asked me was to sing the Regimental song. The copies of it to study were handed out wile I was on emergency leave. I did not know the song I looked him into the eyes and strongly told him I did not know the song. Can I come back to him later on it. My 1SG whom is sitting on this board asks me " DO you believe that you are properly prepared for this board". I look him in the eye and say to him "No 1SG I am not properly prepared for this board. His next words were you are dismissed. What I am getting at is that going to any board unprepared can hurt you detrimental. If you are not properly prepared. If this helps one solider. That is still in it is worth telling part of my life in 18 years in the Army. My PSG sent me to PLDC/WLC to avoid me from going to a mandatory E-5 board. I passed WLC. About a year latter My grandmother passes I go to the funeral out of state. I come back and I am informed I am on the board in 2 days. Ok so I cram. I walk into the board and a MAJ is sitting on the board and the first question the MAJ asked me was to sing the Regimental song. The copies of it to study were handed out wile I was on emergency leave. I did not know the song I looked him into the eyes and strongly told him I did not know the song. Can I come back to him later on it. My 1SG whom is sitting on this board asks me " DO you believe that you are properly prepared for this board". I look him in the eye and say to him "No 1SG I am not properly prepared for this board. His next words were you are dismissed. What I am getting at is that going to any board unprepared can hurt you detrimental. If you are not properly prepared. If this helps one solider. That is in it self worth telling part of my life of 18 years in the Army.

Response by MSG Pablo Ruiz-Rodriguez made Oct 26 at 2016 2:28 PM

MSG Pablo Ruiz-Rodriguez — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 14:28:01 -0400

If he was considered for an Audie Murphy Board is because they know he is an outstanding NCO and he should feel honored and go.

Response by SFC David Gorby made Oct 26 at 2016 2:35 PM

SFC David Gorby — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 14:35:11 -0400

8 days? Plenty of time

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 2:40 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 14:40:52 -0400

Isn't it a volunteer board? But then again I understand getting pressured I have had to attend more than my share of boards unprepared and did well however this particular board has very specific study material and it would be hard to wing it promotion/soldier/nco of the month boards are easier to do unprepared because it's about your job.

Response by MSgt Michael Lane made Oct 26 at 2016 2:44 PM

MSgt Michael Lane — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 14:44:28 -0400

I sat on an Airforce board once, so I can't render an opinion on this board. But the one u was on I felt was predecide the one airmen that came in that I thought would totally kick ass did not win he was the only one that gave an answer to my hard ass question. When it came time to vote the other members of the board wanted to give it to someone they thought was going to stay in the service, I was not a fan of this airmen myself but he owned that board and was cheated out of it. Just my two cents.

Response by 1SG Mack McClellan made Oct 26 at 2016 2:50 PM

1SG Mack McClellan — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 14:50:10 -0400

It will be a good expierence. MOSTLY situational situations/ questions. He is already a leader, perhaps this would motivate him to hone his leadership skills more. Induction will further his opportunity to advance. This isn't a board designed to make a fool out of you rather an opportunity to become elite amongst your peers. The only failure is the failure to try. 8 days is a challenge but doable. BEST foot foward, AIRBORNE!

Response by SGT Donald Shoup made Oct 26 at 2016 3:40 PM

SGT Donald Shoup — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 15:40:53 -0400

I was voluntold for NCO of the quarter board while down range with 4 days heads up. Wasn't real happy about it considering I was section leader (as an E5) and had to prep for the board in addition to completing my daily tasks and missions. Made Battalion, two days later went to Brigade. Got beat by slim margin by an E6 whom had been to the board 6 previous times. Was awarded AAM, Brigade SGM coin and bullet on my NCOER. Looking back on it yeah it sucked. But in the end I realized it tested me, under great pressure ( nothing more intimidating than sitting in the hot seat in front of 6 E9s and never appeared before a board). I think I'm a better NCO for it.

Response by MSgt Chris Chambre made Oct 26 at 2016 4:20 PM

MSgt Chris Chambre — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 16:20:07 -0400

Whining about wont help your case. Just do it!

Response by SFC John Giersdorf made Oct 26 at 2016 4:36 PM

SFC John Giersdorf — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 16:36:01 -0400

There's all kinds of things you can be voluntold for, but this isn't setting the soldier up for success. If it turns out badly, the board-members aren't going to say "Boy, he did a good job despite having no time to prepare!" (because the people forcing the soldier to go aren't going to tell the board "we set this guy up for failure and didn't give him time to prepare) it's going to be "Why didn't he prepare? Why did he waste our time?"

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 5:13 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 17:13:44 -0400

These boards are more about making the SGM/1SG/PSG look good than there are about proving/improving leadership. Prior to commissioning I wore stripes (and even an E-5 "sham shield" once upon a time). I've never understood a test of "soldierness" worth a dam that you could "cram for". Wanna test an NCO, give him or her a ruck and a rifle and send them cross country with a map and a compass. When they hit destination one they zero and qualify, at two they receive an OPORD and lead a fire team or squad through a mission, at three they perform an appropriate task for their MOS. At five...well you get the idea.

Audie Murphy was a terrible garrison soldier, he lied to join the Army as he was under age. His skill and leadership was only genius when he was on the battlefield. When offered a chance to go to USMA after the war he bailed realizing the academic load would have been to much for his poor educational background. I doubt he'd be impressed at all with "his club".

Response by SSG Shavonde Chase made Oct 26 at 2016 5:34 PM

SSG Shavonde Chase — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 17:34:09 -0400

All the responses are great. I do agree that we should groom our soldiers. However, I don not believe in forcing people to take charge of their progression. I always show my soldiers the benefits and why I support them. At the end of the day, it is up to them. I will focus on those who are ready to take the next step.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 5:55 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 17:55:24 -0400

He will be fine. I am an Audie Murphy club member. He will have additional time to prepare. Stay professional.

Response by SSG John Niemiera made Oct 26 at 2016 6:03 PM

SSG John Niemiera — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:03:14 -0400

I am sorry you are an nco oyu should honored to be even considered.except for the information about audie murphy there should be no need to prep.if you were selected because you are a warm body what does that say about the rest of the ncos in your unit.If you honestly believe being selected for the board and dont perform well will hurt you down the road your an idiot.

Response by SGM Joel Cook made Oct 26 at 2016 6:59 PM

SGM Joel Cook — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 18:59:20 -0400

It seems that many of the people reading these posts never heard of voluntold. It happens often when boards are coming up and no one actually volunteers. Then the 1SG/CSM along with Company/Battalion CDRs tell someone they are selected to attend. Very common occurrence, however the selected soldier usually does agree to attend and try their very best. In a few last minute cases it hurts the soldier because they are left with inadequate time to study and otherwise prepare. Once in 1CD DIVARTY, I was called by my CSM the night before an Audie Murphy Board. The sponsor for an Audie Murpgy Board Attendee was put in the hospital that day with a heart attack. I was a MSG, BN Commo Chief, former 1SG waiting for report date for USASMA (SGM's Academy). I was told, no excuses to be at 1CD HQ the next morning in dress greens or blues ready to Sponser this SSG. I barely knew the guy, he was in my company but not my platoon. I begged out of the next mornings PT to get with the SSG to get our stories strait, as the Sponser is required to speak about and on behalf of the candidate. I know for sure my last minute emergency pick hurt the NCO's score. Because they asked me questions about him I did not know. I immediately told the board members I was a last minute replacement for the sponsor who was put in the hospital with a heart attack. They were all BDE and Div CSM's, every one of them told me it wasn't their problem and would not be taken into consideration if I missed any questions. However he was given the option of allowing me to answer a question he did not know the answer to. If I got it correct he would be selected if I got it wrong he failed and would not be inducted into the Audie Murphy Society. He agreed and I knew the right answer, so he got in. Just figured I would put this out there that voluntold happens virtually every day. We just try our very best to make do, in situations that really do suck.

Response by SGT Charles Kovach made Oct 26 at 2016 7:03 PM

SGT Charles Kovach — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:03:09 -0400

Tell to take it with a grain of salt. If he does well good on him but if not than atleast he tried

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Oct 26 at 2016 7:22 PM

SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:22:08 -0400

BE KNOW AND DO. a fellow SAMC Member

Response by SSG Shawn Nelson made Oct 26 at 2016 7:39 PM

SSG Shawn Nelson — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:39:22 -0400

While counseling the SGT prior to the board, support his opinion about not wanting to attend; encourage him to go through the experience. Prior to the board, the squad leader and PSG should represent that sergeant and ask the 1SG and CSM to re clarify the units policy on mandatory or voluntary boards...

Response by SGT Josh Johnson made Oct 26 at 2016 8:00 PM

SGT Josh Johnson — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 20:00:56 -0400

The military is supposed to be about preparedness. You should be prepared for anything, at all times. We all know that you can't be 100%prepared for everything. That being said, the command has given this soldier a challenge, that they feel he is up to. Go in there, and show them what you know. They don't want to know what you can memorize in two to four weeks. They want to know that you can rise to the challenge and excel, off the cuff. After all, that's what being an NCO is all about...leading soldiers, making decisions, and using the knowledge that is deeply embedded in your brain, all with little to no time for preparation.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 9:19 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:19:49 -0400

He better go! It's done wonders for my career

Response by PO1 Robert Closson made Oct 26 at 2016 9:34 PM

PO1 Robert Closson — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:34:25 -0400

This is what I know you are never forced you are given an order and you dam well better follow that order plain and simple. I'm so tired of military men and women asking why and saying I don't want to put your big boy and girl pants on and suck it up you just might learn something.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 9:54 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 21:54:09 -0400

I'm more concerned that this NCOs concern seems to be him making a fool of himself.

He needs to just do it, and do his best.

Response by Andrew Harris made Oct 26 at 2016 10:39 PM

Andrew Harris — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:39:14 -0400

How bout Ranger School

Response by SSG Scott N Anne Ingledue made Oct 26 at 2016 10:58 PM

SSG Scott N Anne Ingledue — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 22:58:50 -0400

There has to be more behind this. I don't believe there is a top out there that would do this to a soldier. If so thing have changed a hell of alot sence i got out.

Response by M Scott Mullins made Oct 26 at 2016 11:10 PM

M Scott Mullins — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 23:10:17 -0400

i don't think he should be forced, pressured, but not forced, but it says a lot if he refuses to attend and do his best to handle the situation.

Response by SSG George Mathewson made Oct 26 at 2016 11:24 PM

SSG George Mathewson — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 23:24:49 -0400

1Sg needs to reevaluate his decision. He apparently believes this soldier can do it. Does he have the information/training time in the past to be ready for such a task? This would be an awesome achievement however more information is needed to accurately make a decision. Do you feel he can do it and just needs confidence boost?? Meeting with concerned needs to happen ASAP.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2016 11:51 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 26 Oct 2016 23:51:23 -0400

I made it on my second try, no shame in failing, the tactics are strong arm ones, but I agree that they have to think pretty well of you to send you on short notice. Close your eyes, step off the ramp and count to 6 thousand....Hint: Break the bio into sections like the NCO Creed, it is too long for one bite.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 12:02 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 00:02:46 -0400

The board although one of the highest privileges afforded to only the top NCO's, it is strickly voluntary. That being said the board measures above all the soldiers ability to think under pressure, since the event seems to be mandated have the soldier so his best, the results will not have a negative impact on him but the experience in invaluable to his growth as a leader, if he is lucky he may do much better than he expects and that will have a very positive affect both personaly and professionally.

Response by SGT Rick Eul made Oct 27 at 2016 3:16 AM

SGT Rick Eul — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 03:16:22 -0400

I'm reading "crappy" leadership as well as "go for it"
So here are my thoughts. First, SSG get out of the way, it's obvious command wants this to happen. To the NCO who has been chosen, grow a pair, Go to the 1st. Sgt. and ask for his help to prepare. Ask him to be your mentor. He wants you to succeed, because if you fail it's on him.
Don't be afraid, this is your chance to shine in front of your fellow NCO's and the troops. This cannot be any worse than the NCO boards.
With Top's help you will do fine. If he's a leader he will not let you fail.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 5:18 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 05:18:59 -0400

I had several different leaders on multiple occasions try to force my hand where the Audie Murphy board was concerned. And while I think it is prestigious I think it's bother reckless and disrespectful to the NCO himself. Something I've always struggled with is leaders deciding what's best for an individual Soldier when in reality they are doing it for themselves instead. It's takin advantage of their success. IT can cause both resentiment and embarrassment. This is a failure in leadership and if they respect him so much to want to send him, then they hold likewise respect him enough when he sys he isn't ready or simply does not want to do at all.

Response by SGT Larry Wood made Oct 27 at 2016 6:27 AM

SGT Larry Wood — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 06:27:31 -0400

I don't think it's unreasonable to be ready for the board in 8 days. That's a heck of an honor! If your Sgt friend wants to whine about it, he probably don't deserve those stripes on his sleeve. An nco strives for excellence.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 6:51 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 06:51:17 -0400

I was informed I was going to my SSG board 5 days before it was held. This may not be as hard as an Audie Murphy board. Regardless, I went in and rocked that shit. Now I have my rocker. Confidence is key, and what's the worst they can say? You didn't pass? Grow a pair and go in as prepared as you can, because in my experience you are never fully ready for what the board members will ask.

Response by MSgt Allan Vrboncic made Oct 27 at 2016 6:58 AM

MSgt Allan Vrboncic — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 06:58:53 -0400

You should always be prepared for a Promotion Board.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 6:59 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 06:59:25 -0400

I was not ready for that first rocket attack. The higher ups would not let me out of that either.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 7:03 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 07:03:59 -0400

Personally I don't feel one should be forced to attend. If I was forced I would worry about it and just show up. If I win I win, if I don't I don't.

The catch to this is a catch 22. If he wins we all know what happens. On the other hand if he goes and completely douches it the he will be looked down on. His career at that unit will be tarnished till leadership changes out.

I wounder if his reluctance to go is due to not wanting to prepare for it.

Response by 1SG Larry Robertson made Oct 27 at 2016 7:16 AM

1SG Larry Robertson — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 07:16:05 -0400

I would disagree with sending a soldier to a board just to meet a quota. This is setting the soldier up for failure and could ruin his career. If the NCO support channel did not communicate the notification in a timely manner.... shame on them. Let the NCO have time to properly prepare for the board since this could affect his entire career.

Response by SMSgt Keith Klug made Oct 27 at 2016 7:50 AM

SMSgt Keith Klug — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 07:50:45 -0400

OMG why would he not want to go. What a great honor to be considered for it. Even if he doesn't get the award what a way to show how prepared you are to handle high stress situations. He needs to have more confidence in himself and believe he can do it, evidently your 1SG thinks he can do it.

Response by 1SG Al Brown made Oct 27 at 2016 7:54 AM

1SG Al Brown — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 07:54:32 -0400

Sorry, it happens when a unit is slotted an attendee and someone who outranks you forgot to tell anyone about the commitment. This usually happens when you're CSM is on the board and doesn't want to be embarrassed by his peers with a no show. They pick the best NCO they have that's eligible, with the knowledge that NCO won't say no. Your future humiliation by a board CSM or two is the price you pay. Nothing new here. The irony is, that now the selected NCO will never volunteer to be part of the Club. Welcome to Audie Murphy quarterly politics.

Response by Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen made Oct 27 at 2016 8:15 AM

Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 08:15:03 -0400

Since I'm Air Force, like a couple other commenters, I had to look this one up. From what I saw being nominated is an honor based upon an individuals record. As such he/she should have the ability to handle a short notice challenge, after all that's what the military is all about. We don't always get a months long buildup for a mission. I also saw that many do not pass the board the first time but go on to be nominated again and pass. I'd say go for it with what little preparation time you have available. If nothing else it will be a learning experience that will only make him/her a better soldier.

Response by SSG Chris Morrison made Oct 27 at 2016 8:19 AM

SSG Chris Morrison — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 08:19:25 -0400

I wish my NCO's would have forced me to do boards. It wasn't the cool thing to do voluntarily but secretly I wanted to.

Next force him to go to college and he might be a SGM someday.

Response by 1SG Philip Tacy made Oct 27 at 2016 9:34 AM

1SG Philip Tacy — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 09:34:08 -0400

I personally do not like boards, even though I sat on many as a company First Sergeant, and again you can be prepared, but how you handle yourself under pressure is the main key to a successful board appearance. Nothing can prepare you for your nerves acting up, know you have been selected to compete and try and relax. When you answer the boards questions be firm and convincing with the answer you give, and most of all believe in yourself that you have been selected because you are the best because that is why you are there in front of the board. As a company First Sergeant I didn't force anyone to compete if they truly had a desire not to. It would show poor leadership on my part and the unit as a whole.

Response by MGySgt James Forward made Oct 27 at 2016 9:44 AM

MGySgt James Forward — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 09:44:11 -0400

Why does getting into this club somehow make you better than any or rated higher than any of your fellow soldiers? Do you get 'Points" for being in this club? Just an ole Master Gunny here who was in the greatest club of all "USMC". I like Audie Murphy by the way. Semper Fi.

Response by SSG Keith Forbes made Oct 27 at 2016 10:09 AM

SSG Keith Forbes — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 10:09:37 -0400

Trust when I tell you, it's not about making a fool of himself. It's all about being able to keep your composure and confidence, regardless of your knowledge of the questions presented to you. Self confidence and pride.

Response by Maj John Bell made Oct 27 at 2016 10:14 AM

Maj John Bell — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 10:14:54 -0400

What is an Audie Murphy Board?

Response by CPL Duane Dailey made Oct 27 at 2016 10:33 AM

CPL Duane Dailey — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 10:33:10 -0400

The reason these boards aren't as "prestigious" as they once were is that people are being forced to go. Leaders, get your guys to want it. Then, they will line up.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 11:03 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 11:03:17 -0400

It should be absolutely voluntary, however we all know that sometimes we just have to shut up and color...he ought to get studying and just compete. Or go to IG if you truly feel aggrieved. Good luck.

Response by SPC Ed N Laura Carpenter made Oct 27 at 2016 11:15 AM

SPC Ed N Laura Carpenter — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 11:15:50 -0400

I don't believe he should be forced to with onle 8 days prep time, if he had to maintain his regular duties at the same time

Response by GySgt Joe Strong made Oct 27 at 2016 11:25 AM

GySgt Joe Strong — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 11:25:01 -0400

I dislike mandatory events that should be at the SM's discretion.
That said, I went to every board I could get nominated to. I wanted the opportunity to go up against those who considered themselves the best and worked to be ready for boards.

I can see why some would not, there's always the " asskisser" factor. There's always some stress, the thing is to turn that into eustress and make it work in your favor ensuring your preparation is as good as you can make it.

AFAIK, the USMC doesn't have anything like an Audie Murphy Board, or Club. But Promotion boards, Marine of the Month, Quarter, Year boards at whatever level, even W.O. boards are all valuable experiences if you'll just go in with the right mindset. Which is harder to achieve if you've been voluntold to go.

Response by 1stSgt Timothy Daugherty made Oct 27 at 2016 11:36 AM

1stSgt Timothy Daugherty — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 11:36:03 -0400

Yes as the previous comment stated, "Someone thinks enough of his potential to give the NCO a shot." Go for it nothing ventured nothing gained!

Response by PO3 Terry Reed made Oct 27 at 2016 11:55 AM

PO3 Terry Reed — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 11:55:11 -0400

Yes. He's a soldier. He can be compelled to attend, if under orders to attend. However, he cannot be compelled to compete, in my humble opinion.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 12:03 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:03:24 -0400

The bottom line here isn't that the SSG doesn't want to go to the board, it's that he feels 8 days notice isn't enough prep time to make an acceptable showing at the board. The fact that his leadership doesn't care says a lot more about THEIR character (or lack thereof) than it does about his.

If as a leader, you're not going to give a subordinate sufficient time to complete a requirement, and tell them to suck it up anyway, YOU are the problem.

Response by SFC Steven Townsend made Oct 27 at 2016 12:07 PM

SFC Steven Townsend — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:07:51 -0400

As a member of the association I can honestly say I am glad I was pushed to my limits by my NCO's.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 12:35 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:35:14 -0400

Please don't take a "protective mother role" and help him succeed (however form that will need to take form).

Response by SGT Jim Ramge, MBA made Oct 27 at 2016 12:55 PM

SGT Jim Ramge, MBA — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 12:55:19 -0400

Not knowing anything about the soldier being sent, could simply be a test for a future position as PLT SGT or to better his chances for making SFC as a "checked block" that another SSG doesn't have to make him stick-out. Thus putting him above the rest....
We know absolutely nothing with regards to his past board status, when and which ones he last attended, or what his NCOER lacks for promotion potential.
Could have been he simply did not want the award, wasn't prepared. Then again, could have been the soldier was the best select from the NCO's under the 1SG's tenure? There are a myriad of reasons...
Since I was never one to be a board weenie (only attended one, my promotion to SGT, not a single SOM board!) I could have cared less about another thing on my chest or adorned around my neck as some NCOs with 8-10 AAMs would show from their attendance.
Boards don't make you a "solid" NCO, or even a well-rounded one, just a book worm. Recent wars can prove that one hands-down with leadership and management of troops under fire and pressure! I earned plenty of awards prior to being medically retired pre 9/11 - a feat in itself having taken to the PEB board and winning in person.
Did not attending boards keep me from obtaining rank, earning awards and garner higher positions held by others whom couldn't handle, make me any less of a leader/mentor, nope! Folks should think objectively and potentially with regards to a career enhancement for the troop.
That said, on the flip-side of the coin, if the CMD is just trying to look good having sent a soldier, classless move dumbasses! Unit preparedness is obviously not being considered here and would show with this task as these boards don't just pop-up on a training schedule. This used to be a highly garnered award some 20+ years ago, so units would only send their best "boardee" and the Sr. NCOs would meticulously prepare them.
As previously mentioned, there are normally precursors to attending this board, so before just dropping this statement out, would have been nice to have more info, and not a guessing game... Too many unknowns!

Response by SSG Michael Keohane made Oct 27 at 2016 1:29 PM

SSG Michael Keohane — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 13:29:04 -0400

What is an "Audie Murphy" board? I remember getting 30 days notice that I was a candidate for Ft. Deven's Sergeant of the Month in 1965. Depending on the board and/or school, 30 days was customary but the 7th Army NCO Academy candidates usually got 60 days notice.

Response by SPC Sean Bayliss made Oct 27 at 2016 1:48 PM

SPC Sean Bayliss — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 13:48:55 -0400

I helped a SST study for the Audie Murphy board. But he had quite a while to study.
They are correct, it's not just about knowing all of the correct answers, it's more along the lines of how you conduct yourself while infront of the board. There a SGT Acres in my unit when I was just an E2 Private. He was telling us about his E5 board. A CSM asked him why he wanted to be a Sergeant, his reply was this" Well SGM, it's one step closer to taking your job". The CSM liked that response. A positve attitude goes a long way. Keep your head up, if you aren't, then look confident.
While I was an E3, I was addressed as a Sergeant once. It was the way I was carrying myself, and how clean cut I was. If you want the part, act like it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 2:40 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 14:40:39 -0400

I retired after 23 years as a SFC. The only boards I ever attended were the ones necessary for promotion. Boards do not make you a good leader, they prove you can memorize shit out of a book. Nothing more. While i respect the Soldiers that have completed the Audie Murphy board, I hold no value to it when it comes to leadership. I met WAAYYY too many Audie Murphy NCOs that I would not trust with leading Soldiers. Were there some good ones too? Of course, but boards dont prove shit.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 3:00 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:00:18 -0400

All due respect, but are you kidding me? Adapting under pressure and meeting challenges are both major parts of our job! The fact that someone being introduced as a "good NCO" doesn't want to do that job at the risk of "making a fool out of himself" doesn't sit well. Do what you can, train as much as you can, and at least give an effort.

Response by 1SG Michael Barnes made Oct 27 at 2016 3:52 PM

1SG Michael Barnes — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 15:52:02 -0400

I went through this many times. It should be instilled in the Soldier that this is an honor to attend these boards but I would never force a Soldier to attend. He/she won't give their best effort.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 4:17 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 16:17:43 -0400

I've had soldiers and NCOs be forced to go to boards with a few days notice. They made fools of themselves naturally. If anyone has been to a board you know they ask off the wall questions nobody gives a shit about. And with over 300 pages of material it is impossible to learn in a few days. The brigade CSM tore into my ass for my soldiers lack of preparedness.. I say all that to say this, regardless of weather his chain of command thinks high let of this soldier or not, they are setting him up for failure and it is a piss poor lack of leadership on his senior NCOs, do your self a favor and if the nco doesn't want to attend tell the leadership to pound sand, you will get your ass chewed but your nco will have all the respect in the world. Just my 2 cents though.

Response by SGT Cody Stone made Oct 27 at 2016 4:47 PM

SGT Cody Stone — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 16:47:38 -0400

Just maintain your military discipline, you'll be fine. No, its not fair but that doesn't really matter.

Response by SPC Anthony Caliguiri made Oct 27 at 2016 5:15 PM

SPC Anthony Caliguiri — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 17:15:57 -0400

Boards are a joke, anyone can sit and study manuals and all that stuff, it proves nothing. The best way to see what kind of soldier you have is see how he performs in the field and in real world situations. Anyone can memorize for a board and then brain dump when it's over.

Response by SGT Marc Brown made Oct 27 at 2016 5:31 PM

SGT Marc Brown — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 17:31:27 -0400

Every soldier should be ready for a board.
Just do it. the worst that could happen is you gain a learning experience.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 5:51 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 17:51:41 -0400

This article needs to be taken down. I was the RIA SAMC President at the time and this Soldier studied for months and well prepared, and inducted. He could not wait to go to the board. We kind of held him back so he would be prepared. Do not believe everything you read on the internet!

Response by Sgt Charles Welling made Oct 27 at 2016 6:38 PM

Sgt Charles Welling — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 18:38:51 -0400

Audie Murphy board? Is that a plank over a straddle trench?

Response by Sgt Charles Welling made Oct 27 at 2016 6:54 PM

Sgt Charles Welling — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 18:54:36 -0400

It seems to me that this Audie Murphy board is some fabricated event of some fabricated importance that actually tells little about leadership but more as regards your preparation for the fabricated event. Really? It sounds very childish given no more information than I have. IF significance is assigned to this "club" as regards promotion, possible assignments etc. WHY IN HELL WOULD YOU FORCE SOMEONE AND WHY IN HELL WOULD YOU NOT KNOW WHO IS PREPARED ALREADY? I gotta tell you, I read some of the things that go on in the present Army and I am NOT impressed.

Response by SFC David Gredler made Oct 27 at 2016 7:11 PM

SFC David Gredler — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 19:11:06 -0400

This happened to me with a soldier of the quarter board. Was notified the day before that I was going. It made my chain of command look bad because I was unprepared. And when asked about the lack of preparation I told them why. If he has to go do his best

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 7:16 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 19:16:16 -0400

Well the experience is great but realistically it would look bad if he did go and completely made a fool of himself, he's human and isn't goin to know and or remember everything in his career to be able to spout it out in front of a board like that, that's my opinion

Response by SFC Justin Lopez made Oct 27 at 2016 7:19 PM

SFC Justin Lopez — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 19:19:48 -0400

It's a huge opportunity, I was inducted in the SAMC and Sergeant Morales Club out of Europe. Along with college and other accolades Inwas selected for SFC with 6yrs TIS number 514 out of 514 in 2011.

Response by SFC Scott Finney made Oct 27 at 2016 7:27 PM

SFC Scott Finney — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 19:27:49 -0400

It's an absolute honor to even have your name mentioned in the same sentence as Audie Murphy. Which by the way would be rolling over in his grave if he knew the Secratary of the Army has never served in any branch of the armed services and he is homosexual. Not saying that being homosexual is bad,( my son is homosexual) just saying from the days that Audie served to how much the armed services has changed. Why do we need to force soldiers to go to boards to see what their retention from a book or how do candence, to how many flag posts are on the fort. I always thought it never showed what the real NCO did for his troops that made him or her stand out amongst their peers. If you don't want to go. Don't go.

Response by CPL Bryan Wiitala made Oct 27 at 2016 9:36 PM

CPL Bryan Wiitala — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 21:36:11 -0400

You have the right to turn down the board.

Response by SGT Zachary Gore made Oct 27 at 2016 9:49 PM

SGT Zachary Gore — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 21:49:19 -0400

Really? Is this the tough stuff in the army these days? Tell him to grow a pair, then down a flask of whiskey in front of the board abd ask them if ol Audie Murphy would give two shits about there little shit show competition.

I was in B co 3-15 Inf. OIF 3. Man the fuck up. Cock of the Marne.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2016 9:58 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 21:58:40 -0400

I feel that it is adequate time to prepare for a board, IF, given time by leadership to study during duty hours. If 1SG insists, then his leadership should help set him up to not look completely unprepared.

Response by PO1 Richard Layman made Oct 27 at 2016 10:30 PM

PO1 Richard Layman — Thu, 27 Oct 2016 22:30:34 -0400

He should be excused the same thing happened to me and it was disastrous. All thought I was not prepared and not taking thisserious. Gave me a black eye for awhile

Response by SSgt Paul Mimeault made Oct 28 at 2016 12:00 AM

SSgt Paul Mimeault — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 00:00:10 -0400

http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/audie_murphy_study_guide/audie_murphy_information/tradoc-reg-60014-tradoc-s.shtml

a. The TRADOC Sergeant Audie Murphy Club is an elite organization of noncommissioned officers (NCOs) who have demonstrated performance and inherent leadership qualities and abilities characterized by those of Sergeant Audie Murphy.

While it is not required by regulation, it IS required if his commanding officer ordered him to appear for consideration. If this NCO wishes to show leadership and decides he should not be considered (whether he feels he would be embarrassed or for any other reason) then he should follow his orders and appear but tell the board he wishes to disqualify himself. The regulation doesn't require him to explain why.

On a personal note. This organization is a privilege and an honor to be a part of. If this NCO is afraid of embarrassment then he should definitely disqualify himself. He should also consider whether a career in the armed forces is right for him or not.

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Response by SPC Loran Taylor made Oct 28 at 2016 12:33 AM

SPC Loran Taylor — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 00:33:37 -0400

He needs to go do it with gusto! And make it look good!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2016 1:15 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 01:15:57 -0400

I'm so sorry the army asked you to do stuff that you may not always want to do.

Response by SGT Michael Thorin made Oct 28 at 2016 1:21 AM

SGT Michael Thorin — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 01:21:00 -0400

I was forced to attend an NCO of the Year board while on my last deployment, and I only had 2 days prep time.

Other NCO's from other companies were pulled off mission for prep time with 3 weeks to do nothing but study. I would run combat ops until 1800 the evening prior to the board.

I had no prep time, but I welcomed the opportunity for 2 reasons:

1. I believe that, as an NCO, many of the questions I would be asked should be immediate knowledge that I should be able to recall to help adequately train my soldiers.

2. I knew that I would not be able to answer many of the questions correctly, and this was the reason I wanted to do it.

You see, I considered this a test to see how well I could handle it with no prep time. The Warrior side of me believed that if I did not attack this head on, I would lose a great deal more than had I turned it down.

I answered the current events correctly, hit the NCO Creed with no problem, hit my MOS related questions and blew my facing movements and mission oriented questions out of the water.

Unfortunately, specific regulations, situations and other of the mundane issues dealing with garrison life I was unable to provide answers for.

The answer I could provide was "SGM, I do not know the answer to the question. I did not adequately prepare, and therefor I would require time to research and find the answer."

After the 5th time I gave the answer, the SGM stopped me and asked why I gave this answer so much, and I explained that I had not adequately prepared. He then asked if I could with any confidence I could guarantee that I would not have to reply in this manner.

I explained that in MOS, mission related or chain of command issues, I was fairly positive I could, but I know this is a robust board, so I could not.

He and the other NCO's looked at each other, and a 1SG asked why I showed up without adequate preparation, and I gave this as an answer:

"The Army turned me into a person who thrives on challenges. I knew that I had very little time to prepare, but my company recommended me, and I felt that I owed it to them to do my best, and I came here because my best was to show up and do my best. I have also been taught that I should never turn down an opportunity to grow, and this board was my chance to grow."

Then, something very strange happened; the SGM asked who everyone in my chain was. I had never indicated that I had very limited time to prepare, nor did I ever complain. I made sure to indicate that the poor preparation was my fault because I should have known many of the answers without having to study. Army ASAP, AR670-1 and other areas should be an important part of taking care of soldiers.

After I told him my chain, the SGM looked at me and said he was going to "...index this operation" because I had missed too many questions, and asked me if I would like to share anything.

I simply told him that I apologized that I had wasted their time, but I appreciated the opportunity to go through the board process and test myself under the stress of the board with no preparation.

They asked why I had not prepared and I simply said "Because I did not make the time." As a matter of pride, I am not a fan of passing blame, and ultimately, it was my fault for not being able to answer the questions, and my fault alone.

They stood up, told me that I had done a great job under the circumstances and wished they could give it to me based on my character and willingness to accept fault with dignity and decorum.

We had a mission the next day, and prior to our PCC's and PCI's, the SGM showed up at our tent and asked to speak with me.

He told me he had spoken with my 1SG and CO, and they explained that I was not pulled off mission to prepare, only had 3 days notice and little less than a day to actually study, and went to the board after only having about 4 hours of sleep.

He asked why I didn't offer that information, and I told him they were simply excuses. While excuses are a convenient way allow a person not to accept the blame, the absolute truth is measured as my "reason", and the reason I did not know is that I had gone through my entire 2 1/2 years as an NCO without seriously studying the regulations and policies which drive the Army. So the actual reason I didn't know was because I had never made it a priority.

He scratched his head, looked me square in the eyes and told me that he and the other board members were incredibly impressed with his w I handled the situation, and while they could not award me the NCO of the year, he would like to do something for me, and coined me.

I would later get a star note and an additional coin from the CG of the 143rd TRANSCOM.

Moral is: Preparation does not start when you find out you are going to a board, it starts from the day you enlist.

Do not look at this as a chance to fail, see it as a chance to learn and exceed. We are NCO's because we have been trusted to lead and set the example. I simply don't believe that refusing to go sets that NCO example that should be the biggest part of our leadership skills.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2016 2:35 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 02:35:14 -0400

A small note for all you folks saying "they chose him for a reason", this NCO was also brand new to the unit. Luckily, the issue was resolved after a sit-down with the CSM.

Response by MAJ Luca Luca made Oct 28 at 2016 5:21 AM

MAJ Luca Luca — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 05:21:17 -0400

Isn't it the mark of a good character to feel undeserving of a honor? The board is not going to look for him to be prepared for that function, rather be prepared as an NCO and a soldier. Look at it as a honor, not a task.

Response by CMSgt Brien Burke made Oct 28 at 2016 6:14 AM

CMSgt Brien Burke — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 06:14:38 -0400

This is enlisted leader is recommended because he exemplifies want we want all I troops to aspire to be. Go. Going and not being selected isn't failing. Not going failing

Response by SSG Sam Delle Donne made Oct 28 at 2016 8:11 AM

SSG Sam Delle Donne — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 08:11:48 -0400

When I was an E-5 I came back off leave and was told I was going to the E-6 board the next day get your shit ready, so I got my class A's put together studied up on the topics and the next day aced the board. If you know your shit and are confident then you can do anything. Obviously his chain of command has confidence in him or they wouldn't send him.

Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2016 8:29 AM

1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 08:29:41 -0400

Is there more to this story?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2016 8:40 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 08:40:40 -0400

The Audie Murphy board is a joke. I've had soldiers not pass the board at a certain MOS strong installation to which they did not hold that MOS. They did better then the others but got looked over. Im being a little bias here, but it left a bad taste in my mouth.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2016 8:49 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 08:49:02 -0400

8 days is no where near enough time to prep for a board like this out of the blue. It's a failure of leadership to send him and it weakens the prestige of the Club to have a check the block attendee compete.

Response by A1C Nathaniel Maurer made Oct 28 at 2016 9:09 AM

A1C Nathaniel Maurer — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 09:09:26 -0400

Ya know, as a short-lived member of the USAF, I don't even think I have a place in this discussion. I'm gonna take a place anyway. There's no denying what the benefits are in at least competing in the SAMC. Some of these boots being voluntold are getting just what they need development-wise and showing humility in their candidacy. But there are some of us who aren't born to lead, but to execute. That's not being defeatist. Sometimes you just know your role. Manuals and competitions don't instill a commanding presence or respectability.

Response by SFC Barry Wiseman made Oct 28 at 2016 9:27 AM

SFC Barry Wiseman — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 09:27:45 -0400

This is not a promotion board, it is not a soldier of the quarter/year board. The A.M. board is situational questions, checking your ability to handle very stressful situations and make decisions and face pressure for that decision. This board is an Honor, there is nothing to study, nothing to read.... It's about having the balls and intestinal fortitude to be an NCO and be a standard bearer. as leaders you do not get "study time" for real world decisions.

Response by SFC Daniel Hardin made Oct 28 at 2016 10:04 AM

SFC Daniel Hardin — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 10:04:51 -0400

Short answer: Yes, you can be forced to appear at a board.

Long answer: I personally am against it because if a Soldier doesn't have the initiative and confidence requisite to WANT to progress professionally then we do the Soldiers connected to that person a disservice by forcing progression. I saw several comments about how the board boosts promotion. We all know this to be true. But is the person who doesn't handle adversity well, who backs down from a challenge, the one you want to have pass the board and be selected ahead of his peers for anything?

I say this because, at least in my experience, we are pushing Soldiers to progress who aren't ready in many cases and this is an extension of that. Think about that NCO you know who can't be trusted to perform and how you think "who ever recommended this guy?"...

Response by SSG Kerry Brown made Oct 28 at 2016 10:21 AM

SSG Kerry Brown — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 10:21:14 -0400

Soldier shouldn't be forced however should answer the challenge to the best of their ability. To totally refuse will impact them negatively moving forward. See it as an opportunity to excel.

Response by 1SG Thomas Ransford made Oct 28 at 2016 10:35 AM

1SG Thomas Ransford — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 10:35:13 -0400

I knew a lot of individuals who attend this board. They did well for themselves but left their soldiers issues to be addressed by others. I believe there is a place for these kind of boards, but believe they are more of a club of people who think they are smarter and better than anyone else rather than good NCO's. Ribbons on the chest don't make you a good leader and I follow nobody based on just a title.

On the same note I knew a lot of good NCO's who were also Audie Murphy members.

Response by MSgt Samuel Thornton made Oct 28 at 2016 10:45 AM

MSgt Samuel Thornton — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 10:45:43 -0400

I had a similar situation only it had to do with a promotion ceremony. I had an airman that was all about doing his job. He was one of my go to guys but he wasn't about being in the limelight. I could give him a task and no matter how difficult, I could count on him getting it done. As far as recognition goes, he was good with a thank you, a handshake, and of course the recognition he got on his enlisted performance reports. He got a promotion and my supervisor told me to ask him if he wanted to participate in the upcoming promotion ceremony. He told me he had the option. So I asked him knowing what he was going to say. Of course he said no. I told my supervisor and he passed it on up the chain. The next thing I know, my flight superintendent called me in his office and told me to stress to this airman the importance of tradition. I told him how the airman is and also told him that because he doesn't like that kind of attention, his answer would still be the same. Super told me to talk to him anyway, and I did, under the impression that he still had a choice. He again said no and I took that back to Super. He got pissed and told me at that point that I was to go back to that airman and tell him he has no choice in the matter. At that point, I suggested that me and the Super go visit the 1st Sgt. When we did go, I laid out the case that twice this airman was given a choice and then the Super decided he had no choice. I made the statement that if the Super wants to change it, then he should be the one to tell this airman he has no choice. The 1st Sgt agreed with me. If you give them the option to choose, you stick with their decision. If it is mandatory then you stick with it. As far as the scenario here about the Audience Murphy board, If it is mandatory that everybody at some point go there, that's one thing. But if you have a soldier that you thing should go before that board, then you should give him or her enough time to prepare so they can be competitive and not look like an idiot standing there. And 8 days is not enough time to prep for any board no matter how sharp a troop is. . . Just my thoughts.

Response by SSG Tim Thornton made Oct 28 at 2016 11:13 AM

SSG Tim Thornton — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:13:18 -0400

Two things, if the upper echelon thought so much of him then it should of been communicated long before this. Second, if this was a last minute "We have to send someone" mistake, then the communication should of been, "that we need you to go to get the experience and we want you to prepare for the next board ", and send them to that one as well.

Response by SGT Johnny Owens made Oct 28 at 2016 11:32 AM

SGT Johnny Owens — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:32:56 -0400

My 1SG required anyone appearing before the promotion board to try a soldier of the month board first; his inspirational words prior to the proceedings, "Don't be a cupcake"~SGM James Howell. I had an extremely good year.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2016 11:36 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:36:09 -0400

I am a SAMC member and have sat in on multiple SAMC boards. I will say that you need to be extremely squared away going in there, so 8 days notice isn't benefiting him. HOWEVER, if the leadership didn't force him to do this (obviously for a reason), would he ever have jumped at the opportunity? I think soon he will realize that he actually does want to do this and be an active member. Pass or fail, he will learn a lot about his leadership abilities and army knowledge. I bet even if he does fail, he will want to attend again and now knows more of what to expect. He needs to quit dwelling on it first and start cracking down on studying. He needs a SAMC sponsor to help him prepare.

Response by SFC Donald Musgrave made Oct 28 at 2016 12:06 PM

SFC Donald Musgrave — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 12:06:50 -0400

One of two things. One the 1SG might be looking out for him knowing it will pay off in the long run or two it might be possible that the 1SG is trying to make himself look good for that NCOER for having a board attendee. Either way I never believed that these boards showed much except how good someone could remember something and if that NCO could keep their cool under pressure. I didn't need a board to prove to myself or other that.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2016 12:12 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 12:12:01 -0400

Are you kidding me? He should be honored that his first sergeant sees the attributes of a solid leader within him. See the problem is, a lot of people want to get promoted, but no one wants to set themselves aside from their peers. Right now, he and his peers are probably on an even playing field; this will surely set himself a side. Besides, if he's a focused and true noncommission officer (one that truly take care of and knows his soldiers) he will have no problem. Just focus your 8 days of studying towards learning the SAM Bio, motto, history, and refresh yourself on Army programs. Remember, It's scenario based pertaining to taking care of the welfare of your soldiers. I am a proud member of this prestigious club! Airborne!!!

Response by PO1 Robert Teague made Oct 28 at 2016 12:42 PM

PO1 Robert Teague — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 12:42:49 -0400

What is an Audie Murphy Board. I'm Navy.

Response by SSG Richard Bryant made Oct 28 at 2016 1:26 PM

SSG Richard Bryant — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 13:26:25 -0400

I attended a board with three days notice and won, some advice get to studying

Response by Stephen Bracken made Oct 28 at 2016 2:00 PM

Stephen Bracken — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 14:00:00 -0400

I wouldn't want that NCO leading me in battle.

Response by SSG James Harbison made Oct 28 at 2016 2:28 PM

SSG James Harbison — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 14:28:12 -0400

Can he be forced? Yup. If the chain of command tells him that that is his place of duty for the day, so be it. The can not however force him to do well. Having said that, if he is sharp enough to get selected, then he should be mostly prepared already. If his Blues are not inspection ready at all times then he is failing himself. His knowledge of his MOS should be good enough to get him through. Don't spend 8 days worried about how you are going to fail. Instead take the time to focus on how to win.

Response by SFC Wayne Theilen made Oct 28 at 2016 2:28 PM

SFC Wayne Theilen — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 14:28:19 -0400

Suck it up. I was given 1 hour to prepare for PLDC. 3 days for BNOC. ANOC actually had plent of time. Last time I looked on a LES it never said E-6 Audie Murphy board winner.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2016 2:38 PM

CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 14:38:05 -0400

Not qualified to speak to the board but it sounds like an opportunity. Opportunities and challenges usually come with pressure. Pressure makes diamonds and sometimes coal. If it were me I'd never turn down an opportunity and certainly would never let anyone know I lacked the self-confidence to pursue it. Maybe not what some want to hear, but get busy squaring himself away and give it the best effort possible. Preparation and physical event will be a learning experience and speak highly of him in service record for future opportunities. What's the worst that can happen - they bend his dog tags and send him to Okinawa? Best Wishes to all.

Response by SSG Dennis Herrington made Oct 28 at 2016 2:46 PM

SSG Dennis Herrington — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 14:46:14 -0400

Go for it and go with a strong, positive attitude. Nothing can be gained by refusing to go & much can be gained.

Response by PO3 Perry Davis made Oct 28 at 2016 3:04 PM

PO3 Perry Davis — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 15:04:35 -0400

I'm sorry but what is Audie Murphy board?.... I've never heard of this?

Response by LCpl Gary Allen made Oct 28 at 2016 4:53 PM

LCpl Gary Allen — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 16:53:36 -0400

Common sense over- rules excessive authority

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2016 5:01 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 17:01:06 -0400

One thing I learned while serving in the military I was told at the start of Basic Training and throughout my career was; if as a soldier, you get an opportunity to attend "ANY" school or board to advance your career, you take it every opportunity you get. I attended many boards in the military and sponsored many soldiers attending the boards as well. I witnessed one soldier during my career attend the soldier of the month board and win it with four days notification. A soldiers dress uniform should always be ready. Even as a Sergeant First Class AIT Platoon Sergeant at Fort Jackson SC, I attended and appeared before numerous boards during my assignment. Every cycle there was an NCO and EIT soldier of the month boards. Every AIT platoon Sergeant or SSG Squad leader would get their fair turn in appearing or sponsoring one of their soldiers for these boards. All the NCO that was informed he would be attending the Audie Murphy board has to do is study, finalize his dress uniform and be confident. This NCO should say after attending the board that "it wasn't so bad and its a good thing", also how could the NCO ever order one of his subordinate soldiers to attend the board amongst other things when he backed out and refused, which will not look to good in the near future career for this NCO.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2016 5:26 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 17:26:00 -0400

this takes time and grooming, to send a NCO to this type of board with only 8 days to prep not only sets up the sm but the command, I wouldn't even send a troop to soldier/ nco of the year with only 8 days notice this is a set up for failure, when these boards happen there is usually more than enough time to pick and train applicants, This is a good NCO, who doesn't want to make a fool of himself at a prestigious Corps level board, I concur with this statement, as senior leaders we set up our troops for success not failure

Response by Cpl David Shelton made Oct 28 at 2016 7:03 PM

Cpl David Shelton — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 19:03:38 -0400

He isn't going to make a fool of himself if he is truly a "good NCO". His performance on the board is not what will follow him in his career. Being nominated for a prestigious board is what everyone will remember. Failing to "toe the line" will also follow him. "Ruck up!"

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2016 7:12 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 19:12:26 -0400

I see most people missing the question. Can the chain of command force you to attend a board? Yes. In my experience, the CoC will make you do anything until you show them you're within your rights to refuse, and are willing to fight.

Response by Shane Miller made Oct 28 at 2016 7:46 PM

Shane Miller — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 19:46:30 -0400

As a Sgt. Once told me when I told him I didn't sign up for duty outside the wire. "You signed up for whatever the f%\& Uncle Sam says you signed up for."
If you were a Intelligence analyst, and they sent you on a combat patrol, you would do your damned best. Why should this be any different?

Response by CSM Terry Davis made Oct 28 at 2016 8:31 PM

CSM Terry Davis — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 20:31:31 -0400

He needs to attend the board for the experience and in the process inform the board president that he only had 8 days to prepare and if he doesn't pass the board would like to attend the next one when he has more time to prepare

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2016 9:11 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 21:11:22 -0400

After 20 years all I've seen is 1SGs and CSMs pressure and make every NCO from SSG to SFC attend in Audie Murphy board, because it looks great on their NCOERs that so many have been inducted while in command. But kind of funny they never put the numbers that have been turned away.. lol

Response by SGT Gary Pitt made Oct 28 at 2016 11:24 PM

SGT Gary Pitt — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 23:24:08 -0400

It's all about the way you conduct yourself my friend not if you know all the answers. Stand tall, be confident, and always look at the person talking to you. You can ace a board without knowing the answers believe me I did it 3 times and came out with high scores every time. Grab your nuts and for for it!~AIRBORNE!!!!!

Response by TSgt George Hanstein made Oct 28 at 2016 11:37 PM

TSgt George Hanstein — Fri, 28 Oct 2016 23:37:42 -0400

Not enough time to prepare

Response by SSG Phillip Weis made Oct 29 at 2016 12:30 AM

SSG Phillip Weis — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 00:30:35 -0400

Holy crap. What a shit show. All i see here is "hwat an hopportunity, boah!" and shaming if someone doesn't see things the way someone in charge sees it. So someone didn't want to go to a board that someone else thought was important. Does going to a board make a soldier better at his or her job? No. Does going to a board ensure that soldier is trained to carry out his or her war time duty? No. Does going to a board ensure this soldier is prepared for deployment? No. Does going to a board enrich this soldier's life in a meaningful way? No.

What has been given here is an opportunity to promote one's self to his or her superiors. That is all. Yes, it is very stressful, and it allows someone to be evaluated in a very controlled and finite situation. Use it as such. By no means should a trip to the board be indicative of a unit's morale, or esprit de corps. What a leader does by forcing board appearances is foster an environment of ill will, toxicity, and distrust among the lower leadership and junior soldiers in a given unit.

To be told to essentially "make it up as you go and rely on your sheer ball size to triumph against leaders who have just as big of balls as you, but if you fail miserably because you are woefully unprepared, this could be a career killer" is frankly ill advised and short sighted.

Response by SSG Brian Walters made Oct 29 at 2016 12:38 AM

SSG Brian Walters — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 00:38:26 -0400

You are never forced in to do anything in the Armed Services.....you are ordered or commanded.....going to a Board is much easier to face head on than enemy forces.....Go to the Board NCO.....accept that challenge.....show you are ready....for the grade....stand in there and "rock steady."

Response by SSG Brian Walters made Oct 29 at 2016 12:39 AM

SSG Brian Walters — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 00:39:52 -0400

You are never forced in to do anything in the Armed Services.....you are ordered or commanded.....going to a Board is much easier than having to face enemy forces.....Go to the Board NCO.....accept that challenge.....show you are ready for the next grade....stand in there and "rock steady."

Response by SFC Dennis Challand made Oct 29 at 2016 1:02 AM

SFC Dennis Challand — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 01:02:00 -0400

I am both a SFC Morales and a Audie Murphy and proud I was to have been it is a distinguished leadership club and a great honor to be in. It does get you a lot of honor guard details.

Response by SP5 Robert Wise made Oct 29 at 2016 1:07 AM

SP5 Robert Wise — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 01:07:25 -0400

If this soldier was selected there is good reason, so I say go for it. What have you got to lose? Show them you have the leadership skills to take on this task at such short notice.

Response by PO2 Samuel Lewis made Oct 29 at 2016 2:23 AM

PO2 Samuel Lewis — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 02:23:25 -0400

I was Navy so might I ask what this board is about?

Response by SFC Rich Bright made Oct 29 at 2016 4:37 AM

SFC Rich Bright — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 04:37:59 -0400

i rocked my Autie Murphy board, as a 3ID soldier, it was expected to know BDE and Murphy history. I once attended PLDC (now called Warrior Leadership I think) with two days notice... Suck it up buttercup.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2016 4:57 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 04:57:29 -0400

Go for it I went to a nco of the year and promotion board a day later I had 4 days notice. Get in there and don't show signs of weakness and you do ok. By the way I won nco of the year and I get promoted the first of January after I complete ALC

Response by 1SG Howard Hazelwood made Oct 29 at 2016 6:00 AM

1SG Howard Hazelwood — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 06:00:50 -0400

no soldier should be forced or intimidated into attending a board of any kind.

Response by 1SG Scott Munn made Oct 29 at 2016 6:12 AM

1SG Scott Munn — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 06:12:35 -0400

Just don't understand this new army. We used to compete like mad to get the chance to be selected to go to SAMB or SMB. It wasn't about the promotion it was the prestige of being one of the best all around NCO's. The board was situation based but to get there you had to be top 10% PT, CTT & MOS Q battle skills. This competition made us all better NCO's.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2016 7:27 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 07:27:10 -0400

I think everyone is missing the point. As a member of the SAMC I absolutely believe that in order to induct the best candidates it must remain 100% voluntary.

The point of the SAMC isn't to show how awesome you are and wear a cool medal, it's the volunteering, community outreach, and giving back after you are inducted that really matters. We need NCO volunteers that understand the club's mission and stay to contribute after they are inducted. This is why we have NCOs getting inducted and then vanishing.

If you as a leader are forcing people to compete for induction into a voluntary organization then you are wrong. If Senior NCOs within the organization are counseling/mentoring the SGT/SSG properly and constantly promoting the club in a positive manner, there would always be motivated volunteers ready to step up; of not, just write a MFR that the quarterly board will be a non-conduct for that quarter.

Soldier of the month and NCO of the month however, should not be voluntary.

Response by Eric Rogers made Oct 29 at 2016 7:41 AM

Eric Rogers — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 07:41:04 -0400

There is only 1 Audie Murphy. There has been 1,000 badasses since. Glory be the troops.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2016 8:32 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 08:32:52 -0400

This may make earn me the nerd of the year award, but when I was a SSG something similar happened to me. I was in the motor pool working on some Air Traffic Control equipment and was pretty funky and dirty. Our 1SG walked into the MP and pulled the NCO's into a formation. He said, "look I screwed up and didn't submit any names for NCO of the month board and I need at least one to go. Who wants it?" I said I would do it. He then smiled and said, great go get your A's the board is at 1300...

Two things:

1. I always had my A's set up and ready so that wasn't an issue. Being prepared is something that I was taught by NCO's before me.

2. Going to a board is something that I prepared for. I was constantly studying with other NCO's and the Soldier's assigned to my squad. As a PLT, the PLT SGT started each morning with a stump the chump session.

I won that NCO of the month board, had time to study for the NCO of the quarter board and won, then competed for NCO of the year on Ft Bragg. The NCO's that I competed with were THE BEST NCO's in the Army. I didn't win, but did earn an honorable mention from the DIV CSM for the way I carried myself. I swear I think I only answered one question, EVERYTHING was, "CSM, I do not know the answer to that question..." I thought I did horrible, but so did everyone else.

So to my answer to this post, go for it! You have nothing to lose and everything to gain. If you aren't prepared and feel like you will fail, perhaps you should look at how you are attacking being an NCO. I'm not saying this to be negative, but, the best NCO's I knew were always prepared for anything.

Good luck!

Response by CPO Jerry Lawrence made Oct 29 at 2016 9:15 AM

CPO Jerry Lawrence — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 09:15:47 -0400

I believe many of the responses I have read are wrong. Many times the soldier/sailor/airman/marine are very qualified for the event they are asked to attend, but they don't want to embarrass themselves or their command so they will say there is not enough time to prepare. We as leaders see something in them that individual they fail to see in themselves. I have had a couple of sailors who did not wish to attend a once in a lifetime event but still, after all these years, are extremely happy they did and it influenced their life. The nerves building up to the event will nearly drive them crazy but the unseen leadership qualities that WE (as leaders) know they possess will get through them with flying colors and even IF he/she falls short of the intended goal they will hold their head high and their subordinates will proudly brag about how great their leader is.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2016 9:27 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 09:27:35 -0400

It took me a long time to appreciate the fact that a challenge like this reflects two things, a favorable view of you as a Soldier by your superiors and a short notice suspense by your higher headquarters. I had a similar incident happen to me very early in my career and chose to embarass the 1SG that I had a lot of respect for by telling the board I wasn't interested in competing. I had a smug warm feeling until my 1SG found out about it. I quickly lost his respect and comeraderie. On reflection and a distant view through the years, I would have benefitted by doing the best I could before the board even if it meant I lost.

Response by CPL David Abner made Oct 29 at 2016 9:30 AM

CPL David Abner — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 09:30:32 -0400

My old squad leader went the Audie Murphy board with very little notice I'm thinking 3 weeks. He blew it out of the water !!!! He always said improvise,adapt and overcome !!! Great leader and even better NCO!!

In short :: Go in Balls deep!! (No Slack!)

Response by COL Charles Williams made Oct 29 at 2016 9:41 AM

COL Charles Williams — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 09:41:27 -0400

If he is a good NCO, and wants this, he will be ready. While, this is not my lane, my understanding, over 33 years, was Audie Murphy was the best of best, as chosen by the Senior NCO Support Channel. I can't imagine why we would want someone in this prestigious organization, who did not want to be there. Desire should be considered.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2016 10:20 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 10:20:55 -0400

I can't count how many posts I see about soldiers or NCO's who are "forced" to go to boards as if it's some heinous crime being laid upon them...

So here are a few of my thoughts (as if anyone cares):

1) First and foremost, you joined the military which means you all too often get zero say on what you do, where you go, and how you do it.
2) No one is asking you to go against your religion, kill someone without proper cause/mission, or even commit an immoral or unethical act. It's a freaking board.
3) What's being asked of most of these people isn't anything anyone hasn't already gone through or done before.

So. Someone wants a NCO to attend an Audie Murphy board. Great!! Whether they want to or not, doesn't matter. It's career progression, it's an opportunity to grow both personally and professionally and I have news for you, if you think it's all sunshine and free will out here in the civilian world, you are sadly mistaken. You have to do things for career progression out here AND stuff you don't want to do on a daily basis. Why? Because that's life.

So my advice to that NCO is to man/woman up, start studying, and quite honestly be grateful that someone thinks they're good enough to attend AND that they're even given the opportunity to go. Make the most of it. You don't get ahead in life only doing what you want to do.

And on a personal note, tell them to grow the f^ck up. Life is hard. Get over it. And set a better example for your troops. No one wants a whiny leader.

Carry on and good luck.

Response by SFC William Judy made Oct 29 at 2016 10:22 AM

SFC William Judy — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 10:22:48 -0400

If the 1sgt feels he is good enough to go before the board. He may see more in the sgt than he does in himself.

Response by SFC Justin Rooks made Oct 29 at 2016 10:23 AM

SFC Justin Rooks — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 10:23:12 -0400

I'm not going to say no because I was sent to the SAMC beard by my BDE CSM. I had three weeks to prepare for the BDE level board and with help and advice from my sponsor, I was selected to appear and eventually selected for induction into SAMC. What I can say is it is not like your typical board. What you're evaluated is the knowledge you already have as an NCO. There will have to be done brushing up because the questions posed are situational, but that's what your sponsor and the study groups are for, to help to prepare you for what you will face. This, to me, is where the sponsor is the most critical. They are the ones that are members and through their experiences of the time they appeared before the board, can offer the most insight on what you might see. As long as you pick your sponsor's brain as well as the other members in your BN or BDE, you'll do fine if you decide to go.

Response by 1SG Harold Piet made Oct 29 at 2016 11:54 AM

1SG Harold Piet — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 11:54:51 -0400

Not really forced but the alternative is not good either. Prepare as much as possible and Go!!!! Be all you can Be!!!! It is worth it, if you do not think so, find an alternate career.

Response by SGT Felicia King made Oct 29 at 2016 12:12 PM

SGT Felicia King — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 12:12:54 -0400

When I made secondary zone I didn't want to go to the board but Chief and my section NCO told me to. I went, tried my best, got 142/150 promotable.
I was told to and so I being the subordinate said yes ma'am and yes sergeant.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2016 12:15 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 12:15:25 -0400

Why Wouldn't you want to compete? You have put forth the effort to move up in the ranks, become an NCO, now show your worth and compete for a great honor. This represents not only Your worth, but the worth of your current and past leadership.

Response by SFC Mike Mason made Oct 29 at 2016 1:12 PM

SFC Mike Mason — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:12:23 -0400

8 days is plenty of time to study for a board (any board), I went before 18 Soldier of Month boards, won 16. Appeared before promotion boards for E5/E6, smoked both (250/248), the E6 board was @ Ft Huachuca (Sig/Int Ctr), I posted #1 score that month. Always wanted to go before Sgt Morales or Audie Murphy boards, but I was non combat arms.... so suck it up, 'forced'? Should be honored to be selected .... from a former 2nd ID Soldier of Year and 5th Army NCO of Year, still took me 10 years TIG as E6 to make E7

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2016 1:49 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 13:49:58 -0400

He should've had a LITTLE more notice

Response by SSG Robert Webster made Oct 29 at 2016 2:00 PM

SSG Robert Webster — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 14:00:12 -0400

Now I am having a better understanding as to the condition of the NCO Corps of the US Army at the present time.
With actions such as this and the limited number of responses that I have read the US Army NCO Corps has lost its way.
Do any of you that are members of the SAMC have any idea why the organization was started?
Both the SAMC and the SMC (Sergeant Morales Club) have lost their way.

Members of these two organizations are SUPPOSED TO exemplify a special kind of leadership characterized by a personal concern for the needs, training, development and welfare of Soldiers.

To illustrate how low the SAMC has sunk - Where were they during any of the CSM Flournoy problems? Why did they not publicly strip her of her membership in this organization? If she is still a member that should even be more of a strike against the organization.

I would even to venture that less than 1% or you could even tell me WHY the Sergeant Morales Club was created in the first place.

Once again - WTF SAMC?

Response by CPL Buford Young made Oct 29 at 2016 3:15 PM

CPL Buford Young — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 15:15:06 -0400

As a little old infantry guy .....shut up and do what yoir told ...if your leadership has that kind of confidence in you your already a cut above.....Battlehard

Response by SFC Dexter Mayweather made Oct 29 at 2016 3:54 PM

SFC Dexter Mayweather — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 15:54:41 -0400

As an NCO.....you should ALWAYS be prepared to lead Soldiers! You should also be able to handle each and EVERY situation that comes up! What you show your Soldiers is what they will learn! You should always have confidence in your leadership abilities as an NCO! This sets you & your Soldiers up for success! My question is, why would you question your own abilities as a leader? When I wanted to attend the SAMC Board, the mission came first until eventually I lost interest. However, the many Soldier & NCO Boards that I have won led my Soldiers to compete at DA Level for both Soldier & NCO of the year! Always push yourself & push your Soldiers to be better than you were! Says a lot about you as a true leader!!!!!

Response by SGT Gabriel Puga made Oct 29 at 2016 4:23 PM

SGT Gabriel Puga — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 16:23:43 -0400

we all know here what is going to happen if he don't attend! Tell him to keep his head up and do his best!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2016 6:07 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 18:07:39 -0400

If you haven't been to the Audie Murphy board you have no idea how hard it is... is one of the hardest words I ever went to... in today's Army you either move up or move out!!! But I do not believe you should be forced to go to any board...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2016 6:08 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 18:08:43 -0400

Response by SFC Thomas Schaeffer made Oct 29 at 2016 6:33 PM

SFC Thomas Schaeffer — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 18:33:58 -0400

If the NCO does not want to compete why make him . It's his Career . Or was it lack of planning at the Upper levels and it's about a number going .

Response by SGT Justin Morris made Oct 29 at 2016 7:01 PM

SGT Justin Morris — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 19:01:31 -0400

It is still the soldiers choice if he wants to go or not. Kinda sad that the upper nco chain are jackasses and pressing im to participate against his wishes.

Response by SFC Henry Ford made Oct 29 at 2016 8:32 PM

SFC Henry Ford — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 20:32:03 -0400

It's unfair to the soldier and sets him up to leave a bad impression on senior leadership. These boards are suppose to be voluntary not voluntold.

Response by COL Dave Spence made Oct 29 at 2016 8:44 PM

COL Dave Spence — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 20:44:22 -0400

Yes. But he can't be forced to win it. That's on him. Somebody needs to explain the meaning of the SAMC motto, "you lead from the front" to this NCO.

Response by SGT Kipp Smith made Oct 29 at 2016 9:07 PM

SGT Kipp Smith — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 21:07:23 -0400

If the soilder was recomended then he should go with it leadership is stepping up when asked to or just needs done the short notice does suck but if hes a squared away soilder and good leader he will do fine. Might not win but shouldnt fail either

Response by SFC Kenneth Kreps made Oct 29 at 2016 9:23 PM

SFC Kenneth Kreps — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 21:23:28 -0400

Going before these boards should be an honor. I looked forward to them. I was never forced to attend, I volunteered!

Response by SFC Mike Wilkins made Oct 29 at 2016 9:43 PM

SFC Mike Wilkins — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 21:43:30 -0400

Some people are not the best judge of their capabilities. They modest and think they are not as good as others think they are so it holds them back. I was one such person till they put me up before the boards. This was back in 72 and 73.

Response by 1SG Dan Doran made Oct 29 at 2016 10:08 PM

1SG Dan Doran — Sat, 29 Oct 2016 22:08:58 -0400

It's not about how well you can recite creeds, oaths, passages... it's all about how the individual handles themselves under pressure is what counts at the end of the day. That NCO should consider this recommendation as an honor and go for what he or she knows

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2016 4:19 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 04:19:47 -0400

It is an honor to be recomended to this board and so much is learned during the preperation for the board. Youll be a better soldier a better leader and a better mentor to your soldiers.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2016 6:09 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 06:09:15 -0400

I see no reason for the nco to attend the board, especially when he has been given no time to study for it. However, if your chain of command is relentless about it then it is on them not the nco.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2016 6:11 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 06:11:22 -0400

The nco needs to just go for it. It is not how well he will do, but how he handles himself in that situation.

Response by 1SG Charles Simpson made Oct 30 at 2016 6:48 AM

1SG Charles Simpson — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 06:48:03 -0400

I was notified the morning of the board when I was getting my platoon ready to go on a training exercise. Notified around 0900 to appear at 1330 the same day. I was not selected because the president of the board didn't like my negative attitude.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2016 8:10 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 08:10:45 -0400

Let me guess? You both are in USAREC?

Response by CPL Jeffrey OConnor made Oct 30 at 2016 8:14 AM

CPL Jeffrey OConnor — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 08:14:54 -0400

We can't always choose our battles ,sick it up and drive on.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2016 8:42 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 08:42:17 -0400

In my opinion there are 2 reasons why the Soldier was only given 8 days notice and both are a failure of his leadership.

1. The dates of the SAMC board dates weren't published in a timely manner allowing Soldiers to adequately prepare for success.

2. His BN or Company knew well ahead of time and didn't notify the Soldier far enough in advance.

Personally I would guess it's number 2. Boards of this magnitude are annual and should be published months in advance by the local SAMC board members. His leadership had to have known about this well in advance and either had someone picked that is now ineligible or they waited til the very last minute to select someone. Either way leaving the Soldier to pay the price.

As an Engineer we go through this every year with the Sturgis, Grizzly, McArthur, and Van Autreve awards. Every Company is FORCED to nominate names for every one of these knowing that the units may or any not have Soldiers that meet the minimum criteria to even be nominated. The leadership today is more concerned with checking a block and putting a name to a tasking than actually being honest and saying we don't have anyone to submit.

Response by LTC Bob Kiser made Oct 30 at 2016 9:19 AM

LTC Bob Kiser — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 09:19:43 -0400

I see the Audie Murphy board as a leader development event for a select group of high potential NCO's.....there is no failing....other than failing to do your best.....congratulate the young Sergeant on your First Sergeant's confidence in him and support him going forward.....if he gives it all he has....reward him, regardless of outcome. In that way you incentivize other young NCO's to take advantage of a great leader development opportunity...

Response by SGT James Wicks made Oct 30 at 2016 9:32 AM

SGT James Wicks — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 09:32:10 -0400

I just read that you have eight days to prepare a good NCO for a board that can help his career like no other at his level. Instead of focusing on what can't be done, create a plan for success.
- Line up other NCO that have been to the board to help prepare him. If necessary, collect money to purchase study guides and flash cards.
- Clear his duty schedule to allow him to study and rehearse.
- Assign other NCOs to take care of smaller details like his uniform preparation and transportation to/from the event.
- If the NCO has a wife and kids, make sure that they understand this honor and be prepared to support them while the NCO prepares.

The reason that the First Sergeant and CSM are deaf to your protests is that they expect you to step up, follow orders and get the job done. Don't spend time on social media complaining about what cannot be done. Create an action-oriented team that will spend time with your NCO to prepare him to compete. Good NCOs don't need a reason to succeed, they need training and opportunity. The CSM created opportunity. Train your soldier!!

Response by SGT James Wicks made Oct 30 at 2016 9:51 AM

SGT James Wicks — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 09:51:05 -0400

If you can teach a new soldier to sling load and rappel out of helicopters at Air Assault School in 10 days, you should be able to prepare a good NCO for a board in eight. This is not just a performance challenge for the NCO, this is a leadership challenge to you. Do not let this soldier down.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2016 9:51 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 09:51:36 -0400

Wow, some of the comments in this blog made me realize how weak, lazy, misguided and sensitive our Army has become. Yes, in the past history, there has been refusals to fight and win, but I'm talking about WW1, WW2, Iraq, Afghanistan, and so many other wars. But we are talking about a board!?! If you are a SGT and above, and you are afraid or too lazy to compete for any board, you are wrong. It is part of our military history, tradition, and custom. It is all about pride of who you are and your ability to present yourself to the best of your ability in front of your leadership in a formal setting. Instead I often hear, "I am not ready, I did not prepare," or "send him or her instead, I don't want to fill up that slot, it will be wasted on me," or "they are making me do it (hell yes they are, because you are too lazy or afraid to volunteer on your own accord)." For you Leaders...have you ever asked for a private to volunteer for a detail or an event from your formation? Or simply just say in front of your formation..."I need a private!" If no one moves forward...what did you do?.... I would go ballistic if none of them moved with a purpose and a high level of motivation to my position and say "Roger, 1SG!" I went to the board because I expect to do what I would ask my future Soldiers to do. I did not make it the first time, but I went again and was inducted. Audie Murphy's motto..."YOU LEAD FROM THE FRONT!"

Response by Sgt Ted Mann made Oct 30 at 2016 9:57 AM

Sgt Ted Mann — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 09:57:57 -0400

I have never seen this during my Marine Corps carreer. Marine NCO's rise to the challenge. I personally was selected for three boards. Bombed the first, was selected as Marine NCO of the quarter the second, runner up for NCO of the year. Anyone in a leadership position not willing to rise to the challenge needs to rethink what he is doing and why he accepted promotion.

Response by Cpl Eric Faris made Oct 30 at 2016 10:11 AM

Cpl Eric Faris — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 10:11:59 -0400

I am of two oppinions of this, fit's being voluntold for two boards myself, (did well at one and tanked the other) I have to admit they were learning experiances, that being said I didn't join the Marine Corps to further my "career" or to win shiny medals or the "prestige" of he higher brass, I joined to do my duty to my country and serve in the best way I could, personally I hated boards and any other "career advancement" that sint have anything to do directly with my MOS or my ability to lead, I didn't need to show off and as long as I knew my Marines and my job was on point I could not have cared less what the upper brass thought, I once told my acting CO who wanted a nominee "with all do respect sir if it doesn't have to do with getting these aircraft off the ground and back safe or with one of marines doing the same I really don't have time" lucky for me he was a great CO and all he said was "carry on" and walked out.

Response by CPT Jesse Diaz made Oct 30 at 2016 10:14 AM

CPT Jesse Diaz — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 10:14:30 -0400

Response by SGT Richard DeVoe made Oct 30 at 2016 10:17 AM

SGT Richard DeVoe — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 10:17:38 -0400

I have been reading the responses to this, and I see a lot of whoa is me. I am sorry people but as an E-5 and above, we should have the information in our head. You have had your entire career to prepare for this board.

As an NCO we are to set the example. What does this kind of whiney ass shit day to our subordinates.

Response by SFC German Rodriguez made Oct 30 at 2016 11:10 AM

SFC German Rodriguez — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 11:10:39 -0400

He had ample time to prepared. There are tools to handle this lack of discipline. Not sure what is the rank (he or she) of the particular NCO. My question is why he or she wearing the stripe or being called NCO. This individual ought to know better. Or is the Chain of Command or the NCO Support Channel lack of judgment.

Response by SFC Patrick Chapman made Oct 30 at 2016 12:27 PM

SFC Patrick Chapman — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:27:57 -0400

I had the same thing happen, this board turns good NCOs into regulation book worms and poor leaders, I seen it with my own eyes. I got out of it because a Platoon Sergeant needs to be with his platoon.

Response by SSG Chris Hall made Oct 30 at 2016 12:44 PM

SSG Chris Hall — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:44:10 -0400

Boards are to develop the shoulder in a garrison mode amongst his or her peers. Confidence is key they are not looking for someone who knows it all but is willing TO strive to better themselves under stress and pressure. Sure you have a few seniors that are ruled by arrogance but you meet those everywhere

Response by 1SG Jesse Duran made Oct 30 at 2016 2:03 PM

1SG Jesse Duran — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 14:03:57 -0400

As a SAMC Member I think this is rediculous! He organization is voluntary. Sounds like the unit is trying to pad stats for people's NCOERs!
1SG (R) Duran

Response by SP6 Johnathan Raypole made Oct 30 at 2016 2:10 PM

SP6 Johnathan Raypole — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 14:10:05 -0400

No. MANDATORY. Ha ha ha

Response by SGT Carl Poole made Oct 30 at 2016 2:28 PM

SGT Carl Poole — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 14:28:02 -0400

It would be an honor to be selected by your unit to represent it on this board but it is also the selectees obligation to be prepared as best one can for such a task. To insist that a NCO participate who has not been given the time to prepare is an insult an an injustice.

Response by SFC Brian Chambers made Oct 30 at 2016 3:34 PM

SFC Brian Chambers — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 15:34:58 -0400

Hi folks,
The NCO should be ready at all times, I had three CSMs show in middle of sick call to give me a pt test. The whole thing is for you to think, the board is a final clearance. Learning for a board is not a good idea, better to be learning your trade, no unit that ever passed an inspection is combat ready, the learning is non stop. Like the battle field it is fluid in nature. We as soldiers, especially NCOs should be able to accept the challenge. The NCO that has been selected to attend the board is getting a pearl from his Seniors, as far as indifference, sounds to me like like chain of concern has already shown an interest and is giving the NCO a chance to shine!

Response by 1SG Randy Sergent made Oct 30 at 2016 4:34 PM

1SG Randy Sergent — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 16:34:49 -0400

I attended the board because the primary soldier had a family emergency. I talked to club members and did a history overview and passed the board with flying colors

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2016 4:37 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 16:37:03 -0400

Hes probably spending his study time trying to get out of it instead of actual studying. If you're his direct leadership, you should be helping him get ready.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2016 4:45 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 16:45:30 -0400

Respectfully, eight days might not be enough to win but definitely enough time to be prepared and compete. The soldier will have more to gain than to lose given the circumstances, particularly the fact that he or she only had eight days to prepare. He or she should bring it up in some of the responses when appropriately. Support and motivate him or her. There is youtube videos that are a quick resource. Make sure your soldier has plenty of rest, little stress. Good luck, be positive about it and share the positive view with your soldier. Motivation is the key!!!

Response by PFC Frank German made Oct 30 at 2016 4:48 PM

PFC Frank German — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 16:48:02 -0400

Needs to buck up and do it, no pun intended. We all have to do things we don't want to. Those are normally the things in life that really make a mark in it. Good or Bad step up and do the very best you can.

Response by SSG Will Phillips made Oct 30 at 2016 5:34 PM

SSG Will Phillips — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 17:34:20 -0400

He should do it. I appreciate his modesty but that needs to be put aside and just do his best as he did not choose this, so that is all he can do. Besides ... They can cook ya but they can't eat ya.

Response by SSG Keith Phillips made Oct 30 at 2016 6:16 PM

SSG Keith Phillips — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 18:16:23 -0400

It's a privilege to go in front of this board. If this NCO has no desire he should not be forced.

Response by SFC Clark Adams made Oct 30 at 2016 6:35 PM

SFC Clark Adams — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 18:35:53 -0400

Any Soldier can be ordered to appear at the "appointed place and time", that said what happens when they arrive there is another story!

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2016 6:48 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 18:48:58 -0400

While this is an extreme honor, it is my understanding that you can still decline the honor.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2016 7:01 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 19:01:47 -0400

First off yes, you can be forced to go to a board. I had to force Soldiers go to boards as a 1SG. I knew my Soldiers were prepared but needed a push. These boards are good for an NCO's growth. As for the CSM being unresponsive, good for him/her to allow his/her 1SG to run their company. No one cares about your career but you for the most part; feel blessed you have a 1SG that actually cares about your NCO's progression.

Response by 1SG Jim Dillman made Oct 30 at 2016 7:55 PM

1SG Jim Dillman — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 19:55:47 -0400

I fucking had to do it and went in there and said i didnt now the answers and i didnt have time to prepare,,nd was forced therev by my 1sg and told it was my place of duty, i ess dismissed and never heard another word

Response by CPL Kevin Bright made Oct 30 at 2016 8:00 PM

CPL Kevin Bright — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 20:00:04 -0400

I feel that any situation that you are not comfortable with prepares you for the ultimate situations. If your out on a mission and your left in command of a squad in a firefight are you going to say I'm not prepared or will you suck it up and complete the mission?

Response by PO1 Michael Mazur made Oct 30 at 2016 8:04 PM

PO1 Michael Mazur — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 20:04:31 -0400

I was selected as command SOY, IOY (instructor of the year) and contender for our regional SOY. You have to be confident even when you dont know the answer. The board will hunt and peck to find this. It is the Board's job to see how you respond in difficult situations because life in the military is governed by the book, but real life doesn't know how to read. Good luck have confidence.

Lastly there is a difference between looking great and being great.

Response by SPC Mark McClenny made Oct 30 at 2016 8:56 PM

SPC Mark McClenny — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 20:56:08 -0400

I had never heard of the SAMC before this. Seems oddly like something the Army wouldn't approve of. Excellence should be recognized by promotion and increased responsibility, not inclusion in a club.

Response by TSgt Marcus Rutledge made Oct 30 at 2016 9:39 PM

TSgt Marcus Rutledge — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 21:39:59 -0400

Have faith!

Response by Sgt Charles Welling made Oct 30 at 2016 10:06 PM

Sgt Charles Welling — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 22:06:03 -0400

I can't believe what I am reading from supposed professional people. The Audie Murphy Club is a private organization, it has 3000 members nation wide. What the hell is any 1st Sgt or SgtMaj doing forcing someone to prepare for induction into a private club? Why is it important? Why are comments being made that imply promotion can be lost over this? This sounds similar to the time when being a mason was considered important in the military, that was a crock of crap just like this is. My question has nothing to do with this nonsense, is has to do with what the Army has become is this damned club is that important. If it were a governmental organization and membership equated to some kind of serious accomplishment that improved performance that would be one thing, this is A PRIVATE CLUB!!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2016 11:16 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 23:16:31 -0400

Boards are a non negotiable, you have to trust that your leaders see something in you that you may not. Boards are a part of Army life, if you think it ends I competed at boards for BDE PSG of the year, oh and it didn't stop there, this summer for I Corps best 1SG board. I didn't volunteer, but was selected. Everyone's worst fear is the CSM will tell you you're a disgrace, but in 19 years and sitting on numerous boards it's never said, just do your best, whether your recommended or not the next day you're still a soldier, still an NCO, and if you want to believe it or not, your better for going through it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2016 11:35 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 23:35:27 -0400

Personally, I think the audience Murphy boards should be banned. It's a good old boy club.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2016 12:47 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 31 Oct 2016 00:47:55 -0400

Sounds to me like the CSM wanted another bullet on his NCOER. I'm an Audie Murphy club member and this is exactly the person that won't show up to events we have in the community or even to meetings. He was forced to go, it looks good as a billet on everyone's NCOER in his rating chain and you never see them again. It's the opposite of what an Audie Murphy club member should be.

Response by SFC Pat Mattson made Oct 31 at 2016 12:50 AM

SFC Pat Mattson — Mon, 31 Oct 2016 00:50:40 -0400

I was pulled out of an ARTEP, in 88 to go to the Sgt Morales board in Germany. Had to get my class A's done at a two hour cleaners and then cram. I didn't do all that well, but it taught me to keep a set of A's ready just in case.

Response by SFC Malcolm Haugen made Oct 31 at 2016 7:22 AM

SFC Malcolm Haugen — Mon, 31 Oct 2016 07:22:50 -0400

Being an NCO is not about prestige, it about the troops. My prestige is on my sleeve, to be the best NCO that I can. As an NCO, I asked for nothing but honesty and loyalty from my peers and subordinates alike.

A short time after returning from Somalia in 1994, I was in my office doing paper work since our equipment was still on ship and hadn't made it home yet. My office door swung open and my company commander along with several other officers entered. I rendered the proper greeting and was told to carry on. As some small talk and questions were fired my direction I heard a voice familiar to me call out "Seargeant Haugen, how are you?" To my amazement it was a two star that I had known just a few short years earlier. I was just as surprised he remembered my name. As conversation went on, he directly asked me if I would come work for him at division headquarters. Well, stupid as it may seem, I openly turned him down. I think we all could have died because it felt as if their was no oxygen left in the room. My reply was simply, we had just gotten home and I belong with my men. The general accepted my answer.

Yes, I am very honored to even be asked, but I answered honestly. Weather it is Audie Murphy or an offer from a General, that alone is an honor. In return for the honest answer, I would hope the chain of command would accept this NCOs position. Whom ever this NCO is, stay strong, you have my support.

Response by SFC Malcolm Haugen made Oct 31 at 2016 7:41 AM

SFC Malcolm Haugen — Mon, 31 Oct 2016 07:41:51 -0400

I would like to add in here after reading many comments. I never heard such crap. Why did you join the Army? Review boards? Sit on prestigious boards? I never heard such lost NCOs in my life. You cam to train, to fight, to lead boys and make them men and soldiers. Get out from behind your desk and lead. Teach them to survive, to fight, to be warriors. Sounds like some of you do not deserve the stripes on your sleeve. Why are you in the Army, to join some club? You are no one special. For those of you that have experienced it, tell your troops parent their child has died in the throws of combat, You did one of the toughest things you will ever experience in your life. Your job is to train them for that ultimate mission. Bring them all home, alive. I did.

Response by CPL Dave Ouellette made Oct 31 at 2016 9:07 AM

CPL Dave Ouellette — Mon, 31 Oct 2016 09:07:12 -0400

Just another new generation of Military that doesn't want to comply with tradition. Like another attempt to change us over to this NEW ORDER that I sometimes hear the younger talk about. Soon there will be soldiers taking a knee during out National Anthem just like Kaepernick does. PLEASE don't let me see you do this in front of me.

Response by PFC Leroy Brown made Oct 31 at 2016 9:09 AM

PFC Leroy Brown — Mon, 31 Oct 2016 09:09:40 -0400

Go 4 it

Response by Sgt Michael Green made Oct 31 at 2016 9:24 AM

Sgt Michael Green — Mon, 31 Oct 2016 09:24:08 -0400

It is a chance for him to shine. Go for it. Oorah

Response by SPC David Suggs made Oct 31 at 2016 10:32 AM

SPC David Suggs — Mon, 31 Oct 2016 10:32:54 -0400

As a soldier we were told to always be prepared! Don't use excuses when you are not up to what is expected of you. 10th Mountain Division, 2/22nd Infantry

Response by SFC Ron Agard made Oct 31 at 2016 10:39 AM

SFC Ron Agard — Mon, 31 Oct 2016 10:39:24 -0400

Lead from the front Sergeant . Attend the board do your best and learn.

Response by SPC Daniel La Fave made Oct 31 at 2016 11:12 AM

SPC Daniel La Fave — Mon, 31 Oct 2016 11:12:20 -0400

As an Army NCO, he should already be prepared to go in front of any board. Part of a NCO's job is to think clearly under pressure because we all know things don't always go as planned. So I MO I feel he should go and show them what he knows.

Response by SSG Dewayne Brown made Oct 31 at 2016 12:30 PM

SSG Dewayne Brown — Mon, 31 Oct 2016 12:30:38 -0400

Good NCO should all ready be some what ready for the board and can work with some fellow noncoms to get him up and ready

Response by SGT David Wilson made Oct 31 at 2016 3:14 PM

SGT David Wilson — Mon, 31 Oct 2016 15:14:24 -0400

Everyome else got 30 days notice to go to PNOC...i got 72 hours and graduated second in my class. Dont know what you can do, until you try.

Response by Cpl Robert Martinez made Oct 31 at 2016 6:04 PM

Cpl Robert Martinez — Mon, 31 Oct 2016 18:04:53 -0400

His unit would not put him there if they did not think he or she would not succeed

Response by Cpl Ron Joslin made Oct 31 at 2016 8:13 PM

Cpl Ron Joslin — Mon, 31 Oct 2016 20:13:44 -0400

Should not be forced to participate. His desire to be better prepared is admirable.

Response by SGT James Johnson made Oct 31 at 2016 9:12 PM

SGT James Johnson — Mon, 31 Oct 2016 21:12:24 -0400

If this NCO is planning on remaining in the Army, he is going to be faced with these boards. Knowing the answer to every question doesnt help if he is unable to articulate and speak with confidence. He will be under the unblinking eye of Senior NCO's at this board and the troops in his squad the rest of the time.

Response by CW4 Wendall Miller made Oct 31 at 2016 9:16 PM

CW4 Wendall Miller — Mon, 31 Oct 2016 21:16:28 -0400

Suck it up Soldier. You are a good NCO, it will show.

Response by LCpl Todd Houston made Nov 1 at 2016 3:33 AM

LCpl Todd Houston — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 03:33:31 -0400

Any mertorious board should be embraced, not hid from. Noone wants to be foolish, but thats not what it is about. In the Marine Corps we were taught and expected to act, train and lead as though we were the higher rank we were. The boards wete there to take the best Marines and have them compete by showing that this is in fact what they had done and were the best Marine in the group. BTW, that is exactly how Audie Murphy did it. Only all his were earned on the battlefield.

Response by SFC Ray Miller made Nov 1 at 2016 7:22 AM

SFC Ray Miller — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 07:22:27 -0400

Yes he represents his unit

Response by SFC Ray Miller made Nov 1 at 2016 7:33 AM

SFC Ray Miller — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 07:33:43 -0400

I attend a soldier of the year board, Back in the day you followed orders no questions asked, and 8 days is more than enough time, I did it

Response by SSG Al Malmquist made Nov 1 at 2016 7:52 AM

SSG Al Malmquist — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 07:52:03 -0400

Suck it up and go. Study, do your utmost best, walk out and carry your head high.

Response by MSG Elliott H Gray made Nov 1 at 2016 9:58 AM

MSG Elliott H Gray — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 09:58:39 -0400

No! It is for those who wish to achieve and advance!

Response by CPL Bill Duke made Nov 1 at 2016 11:13 AM

CPL Bill Duke — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 11:13:28 -0400

It's all about confidence in your self and the military you serve. Go for it

Response by MAJ James Rediske made Nov 1 at 2016 11:36 AM

MAJ James Rediske — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 11:36:56 -0400

In my career I have recommended various soldiers to appear before boards.....but I always checked with the soldier first.....this sounds like a command just trying to meet a higher commands requirement

Response by SGT Lester Fox made Nov 1 at 2016 11:45 AM

SGT Lester Fox — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 11:45:25 -0400

A "good" NCO will always be prepared. It's in the Creed of the Noncomission Officer.

Response by SFC David Jump made Nov 1 at 2016 11:53 AM

SFC David Jump — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 11:53:14 -0400

8 days to prepare should be sufficient. If the balloon goes up? How long do you have to prepare for that. It's time to hit the books.

Response by Sgt Tim Chavis made Nov 1 at 2016 12:23 PM

Sgt Tim Chavis — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 12:23:12 -0400

Personally I don't see how he is making a fool of himself! Is it that he finds the board distasteful or irrelevant or he just doesn't have any regard for it at all? Whatever the reason, if he does his best with honor and dignity, I for one, don't see how he is foolish! I would just give it my all and except the results, no shame or disgrace in doing your best!

Response by SSG Rick Austin made Nov 1 at 2016 2:15 PM

SSG Rick Austin — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 14:15:13 -0400

We are to be prepared at ALL TIMES with pertinent knowledge of our MOS and Army standards. They will ask questions they EXPECT him to know the answers to. BEST of Luck to this NCO

Response by SPC Oscar Matthews made Nov 1 at 2016 4:53 PM

SPC Oscar Matthews — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 16:53:41 -0400

As an U S Army Veteran, I guess Ian old school. When a superior selected you to do something no matter the time line or circumstances; it was and is an order and you followed it right or wrong in your eyes. If it was wrong then it was not on you, but the superior who ordered you to do it. Having said this the soldier should do his best no matter what.

Response by SP5 Donny Boutwell made Nov 1 at 2016 5:12 PM

SP5 Donny Boutwell — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 17:12:23 -0400

The Army builds Leaders of men!:Men that kill on the behalf of thier Nation! WITHOUT MINCING WORDS. YOUHAVE TO WEED OUT THE PUSSIES!

Response by A1C Elmer Carver made Nov 1 at 2016 5:53 PM

A1C Elmer Carver — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 17:53:29 -0400

He should be honest and do his best. He was called upon to attend, a soldiers duty is to answer that call.

Response by PO2 Glenn Shaw made Nov 1 at 2016 10:00 PM

PO2 Glenn Shaw — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 22:00:04 -0400

Whatever happened to Tradition? As a prior Navy man, I hear just how stupid these young bucks act and it pisses me off. He either has something to hide, or he believes that he doesn't have to stand during the National anthem. Either way, don't promote him in my opinion.

Response by SFC Jerry Lenox Jr made Nov 1 at 2016 10:38 PM

SFC Jerry Lenox Jr — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 22:38:03 -0400

you can 't be forced but repercussions are a bastard. I served in the 3rd ID in Germany 82-85 1/64 AR I went to PLDC at Larson Barracks even after I told the CSM that I had already been to BNOC. He told me the only way I wasn't going was if I was dead but I was standing .there breathing in his face and was told to get ready. Funny part I was on the E-7 list. Graduated and went gunnery and Hohnfels upon return I received a letter congradulating me for being selected for ANOC to start in 6 days TDY and return from Germany to APG Maryland. What a miracle worker the CSM was he told me I was going and he got me a portcall at 1600 hrs on Friday to depart at 0600 the next morning if you want to make it you have to suck it up

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2016 11:51 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Nov 2016 23:51:09 -0400

Poor leadership in lack of prep time and notification. 1SG should be embarrassed . Find someone else or do t support the contest for your unit

Response by Christina Shackelford made Nov 2 at 2016 1:45 AM

Christina Shackelford — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 01:45:21 -0400

show them you are in charge

Response by SGT Matthew Reid made Nov 2 at 2016 4:00 AM

SGT Matthew Reid — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 04:00:17 -0400

Response by SFC William Simpson made Nov 2 at 2016 5:52 AM

SFC William Simpson — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 05:52:07 -0400

One of my squad leaders was the type is a soldier that can tell you anything you needed to know from any f.m.,t.m., ect. At the drop of a dime .
But in a tic he wasn't trustworthy. Hell of a garrison soldier but not in afganistan.
I write this to agree with some of the other comments on this page.

Response by SP5 Daryl Haines made Nov 2 at 2016 7:57 AM

SP5 Daryl Haines — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 07:57:41 -0400

The Sergeant Audie Murphy board is not something to be taken lightly. If someone is told they are going with 8 days notice, it is not helping that soldier. What it is going to say to the board members is that the soldier either didn't take this seriously or that the soldier didn't care. An event like this one is an awesome opportunity and should be taken as an honor. If the soldier is not ready and doesn't want to go because he knows he isn't ready and does not want to make a fool of himself let alone degrade the image of his unit then he shouldn't go. Granted we can't be prepared for everything thrown at us, but this is something that should be prepared for and given proper time to do so.

Response by 1SG Carlos Debose made Nov 2 at 2016 9:12 AM

1SG Carlos Debose — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 09:12:02 -0400

Every NCO who has the opportunity to become a part of this distinguish club, but the Senior NCO'S should allow the Soldier the opportunity to decide his destiny. At the end the Soldier will lose respect of his senior leaders and probably the opportunity to advance.

Response by Sgt Myles Daniel made Nov 2 at 2016 12:56 PM

Sgt Myles Daniel — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 12:56:15 -0400

His staff ncos obviously see something in him that he does not see in himself. If they are truly pushing this hard he might should take a hard look at himself and accept this prestigious challenge.

Response by MSG Gary Huffman made Nov 2 at 2016 1:11 PM

MSG Gary Huffman — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 13:11:44 -0400

Do like I did at one time, go in and state to the head of the board that you are not prepared to be there and do want want to make a fool of yourself and asked to be dismissed for these reasons. At all times - honesty is the best policy!

Response by CSM Rik Williamson made Nov 2 at 2016 3:06 PM

CSM Rik Williamson — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 15:06:33 -0400

I was voluntold that I was BN rep for NCO of the Year back in 1994 with about 5 days of prep time. Wound up as selected for Idaho Army NG and found myself in Reno, NV for 5th Army boards. Finished as second place. This was back in day when under no circumstances, would a NG Soldier win an RA title. Much has changed since then as evidenced by Guardsmen taking the Sullivan Cup and Best Ranger recently.

Response by MAJ Richard Cheek made Nov 2 at 2016 3:48 PM

MAJ Richard Cheek — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 15:48:43 -0400

Sounds like how I ended up on the Battalion NCO of the Month, Bde NCO of the Quarter I don't remember being asked I was told. Drill Sergeant of the Year Board same way honored to be told...did not win. I looked at it as an honor not as a punishment. I've looked at other comments on this string I think if I was told my senior noncoms had a quota and picked me I would have been upset. I really would have hoped they thought I was deserving.

Response by SPC Gregg Umipeg made Nov 2 at 2016 5:33 PM

SPC Gregg Umipeg — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 17:33:50 -0400

No self confidence... He doesn't want it, why push him.

Response by CPL Jason Andrews made Nov 2 at 2016 6:44 PM

CPL Jason Andrews — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 18:44:53 -0400

If he's a good NCO, then he should be able to handle the stress of a board and not try to find a back door out of it. Lead by example. Trying to get out of something isn't the mark of a good leader.

Response by CSM Apostle Lee Wright made Nov 2 at 2016 9:14 PM

CSM Apostle Lee Wright — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 21:14:28 -0400

Attend the board, you could learn something valuable ffor your future, and you shouldn't questions the authority of your leaders.

Response by SGT Eric Robinson made Nov 2 at 2016 9:46 PM

SGT Eric Robinson — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 21:46:02 -0400

SERGEANT you been to many boards to be forced the opportunity to attempt this prestigious board. Dig deep and ssck it in and remember there are troops who would kill to be in your shoes (boots now)

Response by SFC Joseph Leon made Nov 2 at 2016 11:07 PM

SFC Joseph Leon — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 23:07:22 -0400

Well you have to have met the critier to be selected,if he had all the blocks checked then the question is why not?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2016 11:19 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Nov 2016 23:19:01 -0400

If they force people to go is it really that prestigious?!?

Response by SPC David Bollinger made Nov 3 at 2016 2:25 AM

SPC David Bollinger — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 02:25:15 -0400

We can't always predict when events are going to occur, and as a high ranking non commissioned officer, this individual should be use to sucking it up and driving on. This is one of the greatest honors a soldier can be nominated for in the US Army. Who cares if you get it? Just kick down the door and rock it.

Response by SGT Robert Cordova made Nov 3 at 2016 8:44 AM

SGT Robert Cordova — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 08:44:35 -0400

A similar situation happened to me as well while in the Marine Corps for a meritorious promotion board. I didn't complain, I just studied my @$$ off. I didn't get the promotion but I did gain experience for the ones that followed. However, I don't believe that it should be made mandatory in this case.

Response by CSM Jaycee Turnquist made Nov 3 at 2016 9:28 AM

CSM Jaycee Turnquist — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 09:28:02 -0400

I say go, you lose nothing by not making it, but the the experience is what you're looking for

Response by SFC Richard Senteno made Nov 3 at 2016 9:48 AM

SFC Richard Senteno — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 09:48:18 -0400

Can they? Yes. Should they, no. One of my young sergeants was winning NCO of the month and quarter boards, so the 1SG told me to send her, I told him I didn't think she should go, because she (at the time) was not in a leadership position. My input didn't amount to much even though i continued to plead my/her case. Anyways, day of the BN level board, the group was led into the conference room, the CSM looked at everyone, then asked my sergeant if she had any soldiers in her charge, she answered no. Then the CSM told her and I to leave the board.

Response by SPC Cindy LarnerCritz made Nov 3 at 2016 9:53 AM

SPC Cindy LarnerCritz — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 09:53:52 -0400

Be truthful and answer to the best of your ability

Response by 1LT Richard De Mont made Nov 3 at 2016 11:45 AM

1LT Richard De Mont — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 11:45:56 -0400

The army pushes you to be ready to handle the difficult and unexpected. Personally these situations prepared me for my career and life situations. It gave me confidence, strength and courage to overcome didficulties.

Response by SP5 Juan Picon made Nov 3 at 2016 11:50 AM

SP5 Juan Picon — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 11:50:34 -0400

Two weeks before I was about to leave Vietnam, my battalion Sargent Major asked and pushed Mt to go for the board. I got through it, and was promoted to Spec-5, E-5, during my station assignment at Ft Riley. I'M glad he did recommend me.

Response by SPC John G. Langworthy made Nov 3 at 2016 3:26 PM

SPC John G. Langworthy — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 15:26:36 -0400

Yes the board is a prestigious step in his/her career. Even if you fail to get the award,the experience gained will be worth it. If memory serves me right you must be nominated to go before the board. Someone in an authority position thought he deserved to be there. Personlly I would be honored to go before the Audie Murphy Board.

Response by SGT Keene Forney Jr. made Nov 3 at 2016 3:51 PM

SGT Keene Forney Jr. — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 15:51:22 -0400

Similar thing happened to me as a Board Soldier as a Specialist. I was prepared to go to 2nd ID's Soldier of the Year board. However, I was promoted and not able to attend. Thus, a fellow Plattoon member was the candidate for the NCO of the year. He went on leave to leave me as his runner up. I had 1.5 days to prepare as a newly ranked Buck Sgt. I came in 3rd out of 5 Senior NCO's. I didn't want it, but always took a challenge as a soldier. This guy should accept it as a challenge!!!

Response by SGT Stephanie Lease made Nov 3 at 2016 4:43 PM

SGT Stephanie Lease — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 16:43:42 -0400

I was told with 72 hours notice that I was going to the Soldier of the Year board. I was 6 months pregrant so I could only complete the board portion and I had to get maternity Class A's issued, and altered as well as find time to study. I was super nervous but I did win the board portion. Not the same I Know....but if he is nervous tell him to go and do the best he can. Worse case scerinero is he gets some good experience out of it.

Response by PO1 Billy Suthoff made Nov 3 at 2016 5:21 PM

PO1 Billy Suthoff — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:21:32 -0400

DONT MEAN TO BE SO PASSIONATE: but here it goes:
I was taught long ago to just say "yes sir" and go. Do the job and bitch about it later. You can't do your best if you aren't prepared, but you can prepare as best you can with the time you have. What does it say about aa enlisted soldier, sailor, airmen, or marine who thinks they have a choice to "follow the orders of those appointed over me"(according to the oath of enlistment). Go to the board and make sure they know you prepared the best you could with the time you were given and move out smartly. Wish him all the best and help him prepare. I disagree with anyone who says he can choose which orders to follow. He's either in the military or he isn't, in which case he should find himself another line of work.... PERIOD!

Response by SPC Phil Norton made Nov 3 at 2016 7:32 PM

SPC Phil Norton — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 19:32:24 -0400

I don't get the question are you asking if this is an unlawful order I don't believe it is so the answer is yes they can order him to do it I never volunteered for a board but attended several I just don't understand today's military what happened to do what I tell you or you'll be standing tall before the man or ours is not to question why ours is just to do and die I had to do a lot of things I didn't find fair I would tell your friend to put on that uniform and answer every question with I do not know the answer to to that question at this time but I will get you the answer I won a soldier of the month board without ever answering a single question the CSM said next I knocked 3 times with authority then entered the room I marched towards the chair when the CSM yelled Norton get the f**k out of my sight I halted came to the position of attention performed an about face marched out the door board over and I memorized more crap that I have long forgotten and never spoke a word

Response by SSG Robert Zierler made Nov 3 at 2016 8:11 PM

SSG Robert Zierler — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 20:11:25 -0400

Do they still ask the truck question?

Response by SGT Eric Becker made Nov 3 at 2016 8:17 PM

SGT Eric Becker — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 20:17:07 -0400

One may refuse anything. If ordered to do something legal, then it is a matter of where you stand. You agreed to follow legal orders.

Response by SP5 Rich Upton made Nov 3 at 2016 8:34 PM

SP5 Rich Upton — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 20:34:19 -0400

The board must think he can respond well under pressure or he cannot and the intent would be to find which one it is. I think he has to go in, be positive and assertive.

Response by SSG Curtis Lane made Nov 3 at 2016 9:10 PM

SSG Curtis Lane — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 21:10:55 -0400

I was Honor graduate at 3 Corps NCO academy at Ft Hood. I accepted, took the challenge and carried on. I didn't shiver and shake or balk at the chance to excel. This man is an NCO. HE should be a leader, or else he didnt earn those stripes. I am just an old war dog that is still alive doing what men half my age maybe can do.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2016 11:10 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 23:10:00 -0400

Of course, when did being prepared at short notice become an issue?

Response by FN Nicholas Smith made Nov 3 at 2016 11:50 PM

FN Nicholas Smith — Thu, 03 Nov 2016 23:50:40 -0400

Go Fo it

Response by SrA Shawn Rollins made Nov 4 at 2016 1:42 AM

SrA Shawn Rollins — Fri, 04 Nov 2016 01:42:25 -0400

Happened to me as airman first class I had no interest in my job and no motivation but I loved being in the air force so I aced the history and uniform part and totally blew the job knowledge , duw to the fact I graduated a week late from training (couldn't type) and was awarded my 5 level with no cdc ( career development course) due to the fact the airforce in its infinate wisdom of changing cdc manual left a gap i fell into, I was hoping to deq so I could drive a bus or fuel Truck anything but a medic it was hell on earth for me actually got a loc for volunteering for every email that would take me out of my job :)

Response by MGySgt Stober Evans made Nov 4 at 2016 5:58 AM

MGySgt Stober Evans — Fri, 04 Nov 2016 05:58:36 -0400

Someone thinks highly of him enough to send him and he should go before the board because they already his records and that should speak for it self. I have been here and it turned out pretty well if I must say.

Response by SPC Raymond Hamilton made Nov 4 at 2016 9:45 AM

SPC Raymond Hamilton — Fri, 04 Nov 2016 09:45:43 -0400

Just like all the rest of the military, we joined a volunteer military. None of have been draft since Vietnam. If you are ordered do something that is lawful and according to military standard, you follow your orders with delay.

Response by TSgt Tr Rodgers made Nov 4 at 2016 1:35 PM

TSgt Tr Rodgers — Fri, 04 Nov 2016 13:35:10 -0400

Out of respect

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 4 at 2016 2:35 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 04 Nov 2016 14:35:28 -0400

If I was put in this position I think I would accept the board as a learning opportunity, possibly to attempt it again in the future. Sometimes soldiers have to learn by failing. At the same time, his first line supervisor should bear some of the burden for his preparation. No soldier should go to a board, any board, unprepared to the best of their ability. I recall my first E5 promotion board with laughter now, however, I did not find it humorous at the time. I was very well prepared regardless of the fact that my first line supervisor had not assisted me in any manner in preparation. I walked into that board brimming with confidence. As I reported a 1sg asked me what was wrong with my ribbons. I did in fact have two in the wrong position. They asked me to exit and return with the ribbons in the correct position. I did so, reported again, and the questions commenced. A 1sg, and he was a damn good one, asked how I would have my soldiers wash their mess kits out if sanitizing water was not available. I had no clue. I missed that one question and they did not recommend me. Like I said, sometimes you learn by your failures. The next board I went to the CSM commented that I was one of the best prepared soldiers he had ever seen. Back to reality. I would take the chance even if I felt ill prepared. The folks who sit on that particular board are intelligent enough to know whose fault it is if a soldier is obviously not prepared.

Response by CPL Michael Storrs made Nov 4 at 2016 6:44 PM

CPL Michael Storrs — Fri, 04 Nov 2016 18:44:28 -0400

Some times it is just about the numbers and it's wrong.Somebody set him up for failure. I know about showed the made it through 7th army Nco Acedemy with 84%

Response by CPO Gordon Brown made Nov 4 at 2016 7:02 PM

CPO Gordon Brown — Fri, 04 Nov 2016 19:02:51 -0400

Speak your mind! I made Sailor of year once for speaking from the heart, not what they wanted to hear!

Response by SGT Chet Manly made Nov 4 at 2016 9:34 PM

SGT Chet Manly — Fri, 04 Nov 2016 21:34:52 -0400

Never set a soldier up for failure

Response by MSgt Jason Routt made Nov 4 at 2016 11:10 PM

MSgt Jason Routt — Fri, 04 Nov 2016 23:10:26 -0400

We don't question orders!

Response by SPC Daren Rowen made Nov 5 at 2016 12:10 AM

SPC Daren Rowen — Sat, 05 Nov 2016 00:10:21 -0400

I have to agree with SGM Vidakovich, on the purpose of the board, as a board is really only a way to not only show your knowledge, but also to show confidence, and bearing in stressful situations. Basically the same qualities in all good NCO's. They aren't meant to embarrass anyone.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2016 9:07 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 05 Nov 2016 09:07:25 -0400

What is really going on. It is a board, you are not going to die. Put the time in and go. And for those saying, no one should be forced to go, sit down and be quiet. That is part of the Army. You do things you don't want to everyday. And I'm pretty sure the is a BN and a BDE board first. Don't, want to embarrass yourself, then buckle down and learn the info, it will only help you in the end. I can't believe NCOs are complaining about this. Shut up and lead from the front.

Response by PO3 Eric Newman made Nov 5 at 2016 1:33 PM

PO3 Eric Newman — Sat, 05 Nov 2016 13:33:24 -0400

Is an honor to be asked to compete. Not enough time to prepare...

Response by Sgt Thomas Taber made Nov 5 at 2016 4:44 PM

Sgt Thomas Taber — Sat, 05 Nov 2016 16:44:44 -0400

I am not familiar with this board but my experience has been you did not have to go to boards but it would affect you either way

Response by SFC Roque Crisostomo made Nov 5 at 2016 11:59 PM

SFC Roque Crisostomo — Sat, 05 Nov 2016 23:59:46 -0400

All NCO's should be ready in any situation regardless of the circumstances. I would dare to compare this situation in a battlefield environment. You are always called upon as an NCO to lead from the front. If this particular NCO isn't ready for this board he's definitely not living up to the spirit and challenges of the Noncommissioned Officers Corp, HOOAH!

Response by Sgt Paul Krutak made Nov 6 at 2016 4:44 AM

Sgt Paul Krutak — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 04:44:29 -0500

Seems to me that many people have a hard on for being the toughest, roughest son of a gun and want recognition. On the other hand... many people want a bad ass to give props to and grovel amidst their prescence.

Response by SSG James Mielke made Nov 6 at 2016 4:53 AM

SSG James Mielke — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 04:53:24 -0500

Naturally a Soldier can be forced (ordered) to do anything so long as it is not illegal.
That being said, such boards (Audie Murphy, Sgt. Morales, Soldier of the Month) are not crucial to career advancement or promotion and should remain completely voluntary.
Mandating a soldier to participate speaks more about the lack of confidence the Chain of Command has in itself than the lack of confidence the soldier has in his/herself.
The Chain of Command is looking too hard to prove its own worth merely by producing a Audie Murphy candidate rather than producing a candidate that has a reasonable chance of succeeding.
If the soldier in question utterly fails the AM board then not only does the soldier embarrass his/herself but he also embarrasses the unit and the leadership.

Response by Cpl Jeff Spicer made Nov 6 at 2016 11:08 AM

Cpl Jeff Spicer — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 11:08:41 -0500

What has the military come to? Did he not have enough time in his safe zone for this or what? Always trained in the past to be ready at all times for everything, weather it was your MOS, the field, surprise inspections, boards or war and that's what we did. Being given five days or eight days to hone his knowledge and fine tune his uniform should have been enough time. Someone thought highly of him or wanted to show him how he was just skating through the motions and needed to better himself and become the soldier he signed up to be and stop playing make believe, that he was really there and others depended on him to show them the right way. Time to step up and show them you are that shit hot or wake up and get your shit together.

Response by Cpl Jeff Spicer made Nov 6 at 2016 11:21 AM

Cpl Jeff Spicer — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 11:21:25 -0500

What's the military come to? Did he not have enough time in his safe zone for this or what? We were always trained to be ready at all times for everything weather it was your MOS, the field, surprise inspections, boards or war and that's what we did. Someone thought highly of him or wanted to show him how he was just skating through the motions and needed to better himself and become the soldier he signed up to be and stop playing make believe. There are soldiers looking up to him to show them the right way to be and do things. Time to step up and show them you are that shit hot or wake up and get your shit together and become the soldier he signed up to be. I wish him the best of luck with this and his career either way this plays out I'm sure his eyes (snap) are open now and he is going to be ready at all times for anything that could be thrown at him. Good luck soldier

Response by CSM Charles Jones made Nov 6 at 2016 1:16 PM

CSM Charles Jones — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 13:16:25 -0500

When I was an E6 (AGR) at Detachment level, I was told to be at the State HQ in 2 days to compete for the Soldier of the Year. I was given nothing to study, only to be in Class A uniform and report to the State Board. The E4 (AGR) armorer at the Detachment was also told to report with me. I had no idea how we were selected to represent the Brigade at the competition. After we got to the State HQ (300 plus miles in a CUCV) we were sitting and waiting to be called to the board, when I overheard some of the others talking about getting the study guide from their Bde CSM a month earlier. I had no idea what they were talking about. I reported to the board and sat in the middle of the room looking at the State CSM as well as 6 other Bde CSMs. I was pretty confident with my answers as we proceeded down the line, when it came to my own Bde CSM. His first question was "Do you know who you Bde CSM is?" I calmly said "Yes Command Sergeant Major, that would be you". He looked surprised and then told me that his question would be related to map reading/land navigation. I don't think that he knew that I had been on supporting the State OCS junior phase for the last 2 years and was a key instructor on map reading/land navigation. I could only thing "Go ahead, give it your best shot". He then asked be to explain the process of "Resection" to him. Not only did I give him the best and most thorough description of "Resection", I followed up with the description of "Modified Resection". I think I might have impressed a few of the board members. After the session, I was sitting in the break room drinking a soda, and overheard some of the soldiers talking about how they had only come to fill up the requirements of the board and that their 1SGs had told them not worry too much, that they already knew who they wanted to represent the State at the National Soldier of the Year Board. That's when my balloon was deflated. I thought "what a waste of time having me drive that far for something that was already decided. What I didn't realize was that my Bn Cdr was in the break room and had overheard the talking and took me aside and gave me a man-to-man talk and asked how I had been informed of the board. I think some heads rolled over the process.

I told that little story to lead up to this. When I became a 1SG and Command Sergeant Major, I was a member of and president of many boards, i.e., "Soldier of the Quarter" , "Soldier of the Year", "Promotion Boards", etc. When any board was in the making, I ensured that when any of my soldiers were participating in any board, that they were provided with the proper study guide(s) for that board. Granted, at the higher levels, soldiers should always be prepared for any competition that they may be asked to compete in. And, by means of proper counseling and personal observation of a soldier's performance, only the best qualified should be asked to compete.

So, with that being said, I would have to know the circumstances of how this soldier was put in this situation in the first place. Was he sent to "fill a slot" or was he actually the best qualified? If he was sent because his leadership considered him the best (was a board conducted?) then he should either accept the nomination or respectfully ask to be replaced by the next qualified. Just my opinion.

Response by Lt Col DuWayne Heupel made Nov 6 at 2016 3:56 PM

Lt Col DuWayne Heupel — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 15:56:13 -0500

I believe he should go. If he's been nominated for this prestigious award, that speaks for itself. Professionals sit on this board and they have no desire to make a nominee look foolish. I guarantee he'll be treated either respect. He'd pretty much have to want to make a fool of himself for that to be the outcome. In any case, [login to see] a learning experience. He'll learn something more of what is expected of a professional Army NCO.

Response by SFC William Keeney made Nov 6 at 2016 4:30 PM

SFC William Keeney — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 16:30:35 -0500

As a member of the first Audie Murphy Club in 1986, I would say being forced to attend the board is poor leadership. Wouldn't have happened back then. Sounds like this leader is trying to pad stats for an elevated evaluation.. shameless at best. Speaks volumes to the character of a leader who forces soldiers to attend boards without adequate preparation. I'd find a way to distance myself from this organization.

Response by SSG Gerry Cochran made Nov 6 at 2016 5:00 PM

SSG Gerry Cochran — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 17:00:25 -0500

Should be an honor not manatory

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 6 at 2016 5:07 PM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 17:07:08 -0500

What an honor.

Response by SSG Frank Wierzbicki made Nov 6 at 2016 5:19 PM

SSG Frank Wierzbicki — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 17:19:02 -0500

Make the best of it and treat like a learning curve. Not an insult, were better for our failures

Response by SFC Terry Strauss made Nov 6 at 2016 7:06 PM

SFC Terry Strauss — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 19:06:30 -0500

Only if his/her command doesn't mind being humiliated when said soldier refuses to answer questions.

Response by CPL Patrick Matney made Nov 6 at 2016 7:20 PM

CPL Patrick Matney — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 19:20:33 -0500

Builds character. Perform under pressure of knowledge is a learning tool. How will react when life or death outcome.

Response by Cpl Norman Fagan made Nov 6 at 2016 9:14 PM

Cpl Norman Fagan — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 21:14:45 -0500

Sounds like one of those things that should be voluntary, not ordered. My military experience was long ago, but looking up this board, it seems to me it would be an honor to be recommended, even if not selected for membership. A learning experience, either way. Why he doesn't want to go is anybody's guess, but I wouldn't force him. However, It's a thing to remember and his superiors will be sure to do so.

Response by 1SG Thomas David Carter made Nov 6 at 2016 9:27 PM

1SG Thomas David Carter — Sun, 06 Nov 2016 21:27:49 -0500

Forced is a union term. In the ARMY I learned to follow orders and give a few as well. Once told to be some where we did and we likes it. Hell some times we even asked for another... hoorraah..

Response by SPC Anthony Molnar made Nov 7 at 2016 1:35 AM

SPC Anthony Molnar — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 01:35:20 -0500

I believe forcing someone to attend a board, dedicated to Audie Murphy, is a slap in the face to 1LT Murphy. He was a selfless man, who went out of his way to get into the war, to serve his country. His passion was so strong that he falsified documents to enlist, and basically was the real life "Captain America" is terms of heroism in the face of danger.

With his passion, his drive, eagerness, dedication, I personally feel any soldier sent to a board, that is in honor of such a man, should fit some degree of the character of said man. The people sent to this board shouldn't just be A+ soldiers who know how to square it away, but most importantly, they should embody the character of 1LT Murphy and be clawing to the bone to be considered.

Anything less, shouldn't be rendered in his name. He was one in millions, broke the mold kinda guy. Just because you don't have many of those lying around, doesn't mean you should send in filler to pack the halls. If there isn't anyone who has earned a specific award in the year, do you just give it away to someone? No, same should be said for a board of such prestige.

Anthony Molnar
Former 68W10, E-4, USArmy

Response by CPT Charles Tagliareni made Nov 7 at 2016 11:48 AM

CPT Charles Tagliareni — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 11:48:06 -0500

I don't know but he should go for it

Response by Cpl Joe Karr made Nov 7 at 2016 11:48 AM

Cpl Joe Karr — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 11:48:13 -0500

Part of being a good military man is thinking on your feet and overcoming any obstacle in your way no matter what the circumstances. Adversity builds character. It isn't if you fail, but when you do, can you improvise, overcome, and adapt to turn a disadvantage into your advantage? Be an NCO, and get it done without question and without fail. Looks better on you

Response by SGT Randall Hunt made Nov 7 at 2016 12:24 PM

SGT Randall Hunt — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 12:24:08 -0500

How would he respond to shtf situation. Make a decision right or wrong and go forward with it that is what it means to command whether it is squad level or company.

Response by SGT Rey Mori made Nov 7 at 2016 1:43 PM

SGT Rey Mori — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 13:43:22 -0500

Why is the Sgt being forced to face the board

Response by 1st Lt David Bonner made Nov 7 at 2016 3:12 PM

1st Lt David Bonner — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 15:12:10 -0500

Yes

Response by SSG James Blackwell made Nov 7 at 2016 4:20 PM

SSG James Blackwell — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 16:20:33 -0500

Can a soldier be forced? Yes. Should a soldier be forced? No. Poor leadership would only "FORCE" a soldier to go before any board. I would say that a good 75% of a soldiers performance at any board is carried by "Confidence". You only gain confidence thru proper preparation. Short notice---lack of preparation is only setting up the soldier to fail.

Response by Tim Jackson made Nov 7 at 2016 4:23 PM

Tim Jackson — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 16:23:23 -0500

Why is he reluctant? What an honor.

Response by Tim Jackson made Nov 7 at 2016 4:23 PM

Tim Jackson — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 16:23:37 -0500

Why is he reluctant? What an honor.

Response by PO3 Roger Davis made Nov 7 at 2016 7:52 PM

PO3 Roger Davis — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 19:52:18 -0500

I served as a Corpsman with 1St Marine Air Wing, H&HS-1, Danang, Vietnam for 1,9 months 1966-67. Audie Murphy Board is obviously to bestow an honor someone believes this SSGT should receive. However, the SSGT obviously does't feel he warrants such award. He should have the right of refusal.

Response by SSG Charles McDaniel made Nov 7 at 2016 8:00 PM

SSG Charles McDaniel — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 20:00:11 -0500

Unfortunately probably not, it sounds like the 1SG is only trying to make himself look good.

Response by CPL Edward Gentile made Nov 7 at 2016 8:48 PM

CPL Edward Gentile — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 20:48:17 -0500

If he pastes the board what is in it for him

Response by SGT Ronald Bryant made Nov 7 at 2016 9:35 PM

SGT Ronald Bryant — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 21:35:33 -0500

As a Sgt, you should be ready at any given time to present before a board. This was instilled upon me before I ever went before the E-5 board.

Response by SPC Charles McGorray made Nov 7 at 2016 10:27 PM

SPC Charles McGorray — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 22:27:54 -0500

How about some time to prepare? Hopefully no politics are involved. God bless him. Give it a go Sgt. and do your best. You may surprise yourself. Confidence is a key word.

Response by SSG Dennis Wooten made Nov 7 at 2016 10:42 PM

SSG Dennis Wooten — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 22:42:29 -0500

While a NCO should be rewarded for outstanding military service he should not be forced to compete or face a board of any kind against his or her will. I say this with all due respect to my fellow soldiers no matter what race or creed! I have seen individuals sent to promotion boards, and receive recognition for accomplishments they may or may not have earned simply because of their race or sex and the army sent down quotas that required a balance be maintained ireguardless of qualifications or willingness of individuals selected.

Response by Amn Wayne Merritt made Nov 7 at 2016 10:45 PM

Amn Wayne Merritt — Mon, 07 Nov 2016 22:45:53 -0500

Go for it

Response by PFC Robert Shadwick made Nov 8 at 2016 12:04 AM

PFC Robert Shadwick — Tue, 08 Nov 2016 00:04:11 -0500

My platoon Sgt signed me up to do it. He wanted me to get use to being under pressure. My board was for soldier of the month.

Response by SSG Scott Adler made Nov 8 at 2016 12:14 AM

SSG Scott Adler — Tue, 08 Nov 2016 00:14:39 -0500

Being "forced" to appear?? Sounds strange. I say never discourage an NCO from going before ANY board!! In fact, never discourage an NCO from ANY challenge. After all, there is only so much you can prepare for in combat because there are no dress rehearsals!!!!

Response by SFC L Brock Bennington made Nov 8 at 2016 1:00 AM

SFC L Brock Bennington — Tue, 08 Nov 2016 01:00:01 -0500

How do you win? So in a couple movies and then drink yourself to death because of PTSD?

Response by SGT Eugene Larkin made Nov 8 at 2016 4:36 AM

SGT Eugene Larkin — Tue, 08 Nov 2016 04:36:16 -0500

It's just another way to better yourself as a soldier. I'm proud of our history as a veteran and was honored to go before any board which helped me mature as a young sergeant in the infantry

Response by 1LT Tommy Shearer made Nov 8 at 2016 6:36 AM

1LT Tommy Shearer — Tue, 08 Nov 2016 06:36:15 -0500

If he is against it, for reasons unknown , other than being made to feel the fool, I say: UNWARRANTED !!!

Response by Sgt Richard Starkey made Nov 8 at 2016 10:29 AM

Sgt Richard Starkey — Tue, 08 Nov 2016 10:29:15 -0500

I don't understand what competing on an Audie Murphy board means. I love Audie Murphy and have all the respect in the world for him but don't understand what this means.

Response by CSM Ralph Hernandez made Dec 27 at 2016 1:12 PM

CSM Ralph Hernandez — Tue, 27 Dec 2016 13:12:39 -0500

I just retired last year after 35 years of Service to our Great Nation. If his 1SG thinks high enough of this Sergeant then the Sergeant should compete. Like the Marine NCO said, it's not going to hurt him, it will only show him what he needs to do to compete in the next board. All NCO's should be required to attend some of the other boards besides promotion boards. All that it does is forces you to study on things that you should already know. I understand that not all Soldiers are board material but as an NCO he should quit whining and set the example!

Response by 1SG James Lyon made Dec 28 at 2016 8:31 AM

1SG James Lyon — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 08:31:16 -0500

The real question is why is he being "forced to compete" and why does he think he will make a fool of himself? If he is good enough to be selected, he should realize that the 1SG believes he is able to win. This sounds like either a fear reaction or a resistance to authority. Neither are traits of a good NCO.

Response by MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan made Dec 28 at 2016 10:53 AM

MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 10:53:25 -0500

I can relate in a small way as I had been in basic training 3 days when I was sent before a board to compete with those of 4-5 weeks experience. I was set up to fail so someone else could fill a square. This particular 1SG and CSM may not be considering the blemish this could mean for them in terms of the decision making process. While I'm not familiar with the requirements for this board, just the name of the award alone adds loads of prestige to those who win/qualify. There may indeed be those who could prepare themselves in 8 days to perform credibly before the board, but as an enlisted leader I would want to have made this decision and announcement much earlier so as to give my candidate the maximum time for preparation.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2016 2:50 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Dec 2016 14:50:06 -0500

Can they be forced too? Yes - it's not illegal/immoral. Should they be forced to? Now that's another story.

Response by SFC Bobby R Gaston made Dec 29 at 2016 10:10 AM

SFC Bobby R Gaston — Thu, 29 Dec 2016 10:10:28 -0500

That should be the Sergeant choice, been there done that, I had a First Sergeant with no balls who sat back afraid to move and informed me the S-3 said I would take my crew for testing one day after returning from Korea to Hawaii with no recovering time, the point is there are steps he can take like the Inspection General office, a lot of people's were not happy but the got over it and I were given two weeks to recover and prep. You do have choices.

Response by 1SG Charles Simpson made Dec 30 at 2016 1:35 AM

1SG Charles Simpson — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 01:35:45 -0500

No NCO should ever need "forcing" to do anything when it comes to being an NCO. If I had an NCO in my company who refused anything having to do with leadership, I would do my best to get him/her out of the army. If you do not want to do everything required of an NCO, don't put on the stripes.

Response by MSG Ryan C. made Dec 30 at 2016 10:12 AM

MSG Ryan C. — Fri, 30 Dec 2016 10:12:32 -0500

No one should be forced to compete. It goes against what the award stands for. I am also curious as to why the leadership is forcing him to go. Is it because they see potential in him or is it just to try and bolster their numbers to higher HQs. If the leadership sees great potential in this young NCO, then they should do their best to encourage and guide him towards that goal. Even if he did well in the board and got inducted, what are the chances that he is going to be active in the club? As others have stated previously, the purpose of getting into the club is not to get a shiny medallion and better promotion chances. It is about giving back to others; your community, fellow Soldiers, families, etc... The best way to influence others to WANT to compete for SAMC is by them observing the actions and examples of others in the club. If they see SAMC members actively out in the community and on post doing great things, this will help get others intrigued and interested in becoming part of that team. Just my two cents...

Response by LCpl Bradley Otto made Dec 31 at 2016 11:26 AM

LCpl Bradley Otto — Sat, 31 Dec 2016 11:26:37 -0500

Some promotion boards are just an excercise to see how well the NCO's know their job. Others are set up to promote a already qualifyied personal, but the guidelines state there must be a "board" held to be proper. The NCO should take advantage of this time and make as many points as he/she can to improve for the board.

Response by LCpl Stephen Arnold made Jan 24 at 2017 1:13 PM

LCpl Stephen Arnold — Tue, 24 Jan 2017 13:13:33 -0500

I was put up for a Soldier of the Quarter board by an SFC with very questionable leadership skills.

I had been a fuck up in the National Guard after release from the Corps, and during a deployment to Kosovo finally got my shit together, busted my ass and made Sergeant, several years after I probably should have if I hadn't been "'Shitbird Six Actual."

The SFC was the type of the NCO who would burn through as many Soldiers as she could to ensure 1) the mission was accomplished, and 2) SHE was heaped all the praise for doing so.

She submitted my name, I firmly believe to this day, primarily to show that SHE had turned around the biggest shitbird the CALGUARD had ever seen. I told my NCOIC that I did not wish to be on the board, that I wanted to put my promotion to work, and quietly end the long period of mediocrity I had finally ended. He told me what an honor it was, yudda yudda yudda, but I was firm that I did not wish to participate, and told him my reasoning.

I went to the company first sergeant, a solid, squared away and wonderful leader. I told with respect, that if ordered to do so, I would show up and share with the board my feelings, and let them decide what they felt was right. The first sergeant told me not to sweat it, and we found another younger Soldier who wished to participate (whom I helped prepare and who won the board).

The SFC was furious with me, and shouted that I WOULD be on the board. I told her to take it up with the First Sergeant; she instead went to the Colonel I was working for, who was understandably pissed at me. When I shared with him the SFC's reasoning for being so "Gung ho" about me participating, and when he asked other senior NCO's about my account, he had a new understanding about her over zealousness.

Bottom line; it's a tremendous honor to be part of that selection process, BUT it should not be made to be mandatory. Some Soldiers believe, as I did and still do, that their abilities shine in other ways, and don't wish to be paraded in front of a selection board but instead allowed to just do what they do best, take care of their troops and accomplish the mission. Just my two cents, no intention to offend any of you who have been on, or conducted, said boards.

SHITBIRD SIX ACTUAL, OUT!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2017 7:13 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 31 Jan 2017 07:13:47 -0500

If he is a good NCO then I don't see the problem. How he performs at this board isn't going to impact his career, and if he has 8 days, then he has some time to study board questions. This might even do him some good. Board experience never hurts.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2017 7:31 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Feb 2017 07:31:29 -0500

No soldier cannot be forced to attend Audie Murphy board but it is a prestigious thing and it's something that works toward your promotion if you have a career in the military so really it's all up to the servicemember and usually it's a one time thing just like the sword makers academy so you need to think about it if you don't feel comfortable with it see about getting some assistance with being tutored for the board it's nothing more than like preparing for a promotion board so now the answer is no you can't be forced

Response by SGT Jim Ramge, MBA made Jul 13 at 2017 1:26 PM

SGT Jim Ramge, MBA — Thu, 13 Jul 2017 13:26:41 -0400

Just my personal thoughts here from a former S3 Staffer. Did anyone think that maybe one of the questions from the board will be how long have you had notice - just one thought there.

Two, there are also two trains of thought here! One, the Command always wants to send an NCO to represent their Command, so treat it as a slot for school, as in your next promotion, whether as a PLT SGT, 1SG or SGM. This does two things, represents their unit by sending the best, gives an NCO the opportunity to shine as well as offer the troop with a better than average promotion potential. Two, a part of the boarding process is to build self esteem! Hence, when you depart the military, you will be better prepared to sit down and discuss things that maybe you are uncomfortable about, all the while, not studying for the discussion. Along those lines, how well does one perform under pressure? Are they suited to lead at the highest levels of Corp, MACOM or Army along with the associated pressures in today's military?

So, considering the aforementioned, take head to your NCO Creed's 1st paragraph, 3rd sentence, "regardless of the situation I find myself" and 2nd paragraph, 1st sentence, "Competence is my watchword". With that, grab your package troop, you are going for a ride!

On the flip-side, simply tossing one into the fire un-prepared with no time doesn't look good for the Command in any situation, however that said, did anyone think that maybe the board is by default designed with little notice so that only the best will shine? Case in point, do you have a 24-hr duffle set-up for deployment - why, so you are ready! As an NCO did you need to be told to do this, or, did you do it on your own to be pre-pared? If your Command said hey, we just had a slot open up for an NCO school, would you turn it down, are you ready? Don't you think that maybe you should prepare yourself as a just in case scenario knowing that you could get called into a board? Just saying...

And before you look at my grade and think no experience, I went to my first and only board for promotion, meaning, I never went to any SOM boards. Took my 199 in stride from the 8th Army CSM! Since being medically retired, I've never had an interview where I didn't get the job!

Take it for what you will, complain or drive-on!

Response by SSG James Mielke made Jul 21 at 2017 12:50 AM

SSG James Mielke — Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:50:43 -0400

Honest opinion here, I do not believe any soldier should be forced to attend any board, regardless of notification time.

Grant, these boards can do wonders for a career but the truth is, some soldiers simply are not that career minded. Some soldiers look upon those kinds of "brownie point" boards as 'ass-kissing'. Some soldiers simply want to do the job they enlisted for and be left the hell alone.

They should be strongly encouraged to go to a few boards, soldier of the month and such, as it does wonders to prep them for promotion boards, but had I been forced to attend such a board there is no way I would have stayed in very long.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jul 21 at 2017 12:57 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Fri, 21 Jul 2017 00:57:59 -0400

Just do it. it's good for your career. Does it mean you're awesome? No. The awesome ones are too busy accomplishing the mission and taking care of their Soldiers while other people are studying for boards. But it will make you stand out, and should help come promotion time...

Response by CPO Dave Royce made Apr 8 at 2018 12:29 PM

CPO Dave Royce — Sun, 08 Apr 2018 12:29:30 -0400

Tell him start studing , when you slected to attend a board you must attend , I was give 2 days to get ready for a Trawing 11 sailor of the year board , I was afraid of making a fool out of myself, But those individuals that nominated you for the board , seen something in you that made them recommend you , it doesnt matter whether you are selected or not, at least you put forth the effort, as I did I wasn’t selected either. So go for it.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2018 3:45 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 01 Aug 2018 15:45:48 -0400

I'm way late to the table on this, but damn. The SGT Audie Murphy board and the SGT Morales board are *NOT* like the promotion boards. Yes, a good NCO should always be ready to go to the promotion board, no matter how short of a prep time you have. The knowledge base for those boards is the ordinary knowledge you should be accumulating as a soldier.

The SAMC and Morales boards are *not*, and if a soldier's never show any interest in them before, and gets 8 days notice, that is NOT enough time to prepare, even for the most motivated soldier. I see a lot of comments in this thread where if I were face to face with the person, even if they outranked me, I'd call them a shitty leader, because they're excusing leadership setting the soldier up for failure. A bad performance due to lack of prep time on one of these boards *will* hurt the soldier.

Back when I was an active duty NCO, bullshit like this was rampant, because of senior NCOs "forgetting" to disseminate information.