Can a unit dictate who is allowed in a Soldier's hotel room?

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 00:50:55 -0500

Odd question I realize. However, my promotion ceremony is on Saturday. My wife is flying down to Nashville for the ceremony. My PSG is making my Squad Leader counsel me on paper that my wife is NOT allowed in my hotel room. They said you're on orders in a government provided hotel room. I was in government provided housing at Fort Leonard Wood and my wife and I both lived there. I don't understand their reasoning. They say that they don't want it to seem like they don't want my wife there, but that's how it seems. Additionally, they said we don't want to put you in a financial bind, but because they won't allow my wife to stay in my hotel room (which I am in alone), my wife has to purchase her own hotel room. It's my wife, not a prostitute. What's the issue? PFC Private RallyPoint Member SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SSG(P) James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" LTC Stephen F. CPL Dave Hoover SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth SSG Private RallyPoint Member Capt Dwayne Conyers CPT Jack Durish SGT Ben Keen

UPDATE: I was not allowed to have my wife in my room, so I gave my room to another Soldier who's card was not working and stayed in the room my wife bought and paid for. I was counseled on 4856 counseling form prior to. PSG is also now not allowing me to put in promotion packet for E6 even though I'm eligible for promotion and fully qualified.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Dec 13 at 2019 1:09 AM

LTC Stephen F. — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 01:09:22 -0500

That is ridiculous, my friend SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member If they are serious I recommend raising this with your company commander since the issue is your wife being forbidden form coming to your hotel room.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2019 1:27 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 01:27:47 -0500

I'm not even gonna attempt to reference a regulation on this. This is ridiculous and who did you piss off?

Response by SSG Brian G. made Dec 13 at 2019 2:38 AM

SSG Brian G. — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 02:38:34 -0500

*Blink* Ok, that makes no sense. You are legally married and have been married for a while and the Army knows this and you have co-domiciled with her on the Army's dime previously. The closest thing I can think of is that your wife is not on your current orders, if you have orders. Beyond that I have nothing.

Your PSG is pushing this through your squad leader, so start there and ask why this is being done as you are legally married. If they keep pushing it, take this to your 1SG and then CCo. On face it looks and sounds utterly ridiculous and stupid.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2019 3:22 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 03:22:47 -0500

Unless they show you on paper what regulation covers then don’t listen to them. I was put on TDY to attend a meeting, government paid for 5 days in a hotel and gave me a rental car. I brought my wife and dogs and the only thing I had to pay out of my pocket was the pet fee.

Talk to your 1SG about it, if he agrees with your PSG have them show you a regulation about it. Give legal a call and ask them about your situation. They call counsel you on whatever they want, doesn’t mean it’s legit.

On another note, the government doesn’t care who stays with you or not. They have a set amount that they will pay the hotel. If you go over that amount you’ll be responsible for the difference. Sounds to me that your PSG has an unhappy life and wants to make yours unhappy as well because he has “the power” to allow or not allow your wife in your room. He’s acting as if the money is coming out of his paycheck to pay for the hotel.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made Dec 13 at 2019 4:30 AM

MAJ Javier Rivera — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 04:30:46 -0500

WTF? This is so wrong in so many ways! I traveled and stayed on the government’s dime multiple times and so did my unit’s members. We did encourage bringing spouses (transportation was on them but lodging paid for) along. And boy did we travelled: Hawaii, Korea, Europe, and Centra America!

Response by CPT Lawrence Cable made Dec 13 at 2019 6:36 AM

CPT Lawrence Cable — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 06:36:08 -0500

First, tell you PSG that Capt. Cable said they were being a Dick. He/She can contact me here and I'll give them a number to call me personally where I would be happy to discuss in depth their leadership style and shortcomings.
I would first talk to my PL, and if they don't have the proper answer, request an open door with the commander and 1st Sgt. WTF? Is this how they treat enlisted these days?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2019 8:24 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:24:47 -0500

Your PSG is garbage!!!!!!!! Enjoy your promotion with your wife in the hotel that is paid for. Enough said!!!!!!!!!!

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2019 9:07 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 09:07:02 -0500

Your leadership is just confused, they can't tell you that your wife can't stay in your room, they can only say that they're not paying for it.

I don't know why they are putting you up in a hotel, but if you are TDY and settling this on DTS, you can only claim reimbursement for the single occupancy rate.
If this is a deal where your unit is paying for home station lodging on a unit travel card, then you need to settle up with the front desk to cover any difference in occupancy rate before they bill the UTC.

Response by MSG Gary Eckert made Dec 13 at 2019 9:33 AM

MSG Gary Eckert — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 09:33:59 -0500

I hate this because I know this rule is frequently violated by Senior NCOs and Officers but since you've been counseled, I recommend you heed the warning. The JTR has a whole section on spousal travel and I am pretty sure this is what your PSG is referencing. The travel authorization must include the following statement: “This travel authorization authorizes the spouse to accompany the sponsor to attend an official function. It does not authorize per diem or other expense allowances for the spouse. If the spouse does not desire to bear the expenses ordinarily reimbursed through per diem or other expense allowances, this travel authorization is canceled.”
Assuming you are not in a contracted hotel room which has a whole different set of rules, you could volunteer to give up the lodging portion of the TDY for those days and then you would be OK. It will probably be less expensive to get her a separate room and then you stay with her.
The difference with the Government housing is your wife was on orders to Ft Leonard Wood.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Dec 13 at 2019 9:54 AM

SFC Casey O'Mally — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 09:54:22 -0500

I'm going to take the opposite tack of the previous posters. The question is if it CAN be done. The answer is most likely yes. Is telling you that you can't have your wife in your room illegal? Immoral? Unethical? I don't think so. Therefore it would be a lawful order.

Is it stupid? Yes. But there is no protection against stupid orders. Otherwise LTs wouldn't be allowed to issue orders, ever. (I kid, I kid). But seriously, don't just ignore this order even though it makes no sense. Get a bona fide resolution and relief from the order prior to violating it.

Others have mentioned having your PSG show you the reg that says it can't happen. I will do it for him. AR 600-20. Remember, no matter how many regs are written, the Army will never be able to cover every situation with a definitive yes or no. That is why we have a chain of command and have given them authority to use their judgment. Even if (at least in this case) their judgment is exceptionally suspect. A lawful order is a lawful order. If you believe the order is unlawful, then the onus is in YOU (not your PSG) to show how/why it is unlawful.

You can TRY looking in the Joint Federal Travel Regulation (JFTR), but I am guessing there is no definitive yes or no. If memory serves (and it has been a WHILE) the verbiage is may or may not (not will or will not). "May" means optional, and the option usually belongs to the chain of command, not the individual.

I don't AGREE with your PSG, and if I were you I would DEFINITELY bring this up the chain to the CO (if necessary, but not beyond Company level). But just because I disagree with PSG and think he is being an utter <insert expletive here>, doesn't mean he CAN'T issue that order.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2019 9:54 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 09:54:51 -0500

I......I had to read this several times to ensure I was understanding what I was reading? What in the actual cluster f*ck of brain farts is this shit? If you were on BTA and the room is being paid for by LIK funds...then I could see that logic. But if you are on orders, and the room is paid for thru DTS then I fail to see the issue. But, if you want to get to the heart of the matter, contact the Help Desk for DTS and pose the question "Is my wife allowed to stay in my hotel room when I am on orders and she is not?" But in all honesty, any Leader worth their weight will not give two shits if your wife stays in your hotel room during the weekend of your promotion. You need to find yourself another unit.

Response by SPC Stewart Smith made Dec 13 at 2019 9:58 AM

SPC Stewart Smith — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 09:58:45 -0500

I don't understand why there is an issue with your wife being in the same room. That's odd to me.
I don't have any answer or help. This is just weird.

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Dec 13 at 2019 10:22 AM

CSM Richard StCyr — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 10:22:55 -0500

So you need to pull up the joint travel reg. The command is incorrect in this instance as your wife can stay in your room, However ...YOU... must pay the difference in cost for the room between the single rate that the government is paying for and her charge that is additional. YOU also incur any additional travel expenses incurred for your spouses travel and YOU can not charge the additional expenses to your Government travel card. Use the COC, talk to your Platoon Leader, then the CO and 1SG.
I think this is case of inexperienced leaders at the Platoon level and hopefully your Company level leaders have their feces coagulated .
As a 1SG and CSM the Commanders and I used to bring our wives along for conferences and the rules for you are no different then they are for the old folks.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2019 10:45 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 10:45:23 -0500

I was mobilized for 6 years and spent much of that time in hotels that the military paid for.
Bottom line, they can not prevent your wife from visiting, but they can dictate who is allowed to stay overnight if the military is paying for it. The fact that you were counseled allows them to bring charges if you disobey.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2019 10:54 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 10:54:13 -0500

The only thing I can think of is if you are utilizing the LIK program and the unit wants to book another soldier in the room with you.

Seems fishy without further explanation.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2019 11:35 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 11:35:04 -0500

I can't imagine why they wouldn't let your wife stay with you. I'd follow the advice of others here and bring it up to your PL and CO/1SG. Respectfully. I can't see where this would cost the Gov't anymore money. A single room rate is a single room rate. I've never been charged more for a hotel room because my wife was with me. And if they are that concerned about fraud, waste, and abuse I'm sure their efforts would be better spent elsewhere.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Dec 13 at 2019 12:30 PM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 12:30:58 -0500

I can see a problem if the hotel charges more for the additional person in the room. If your wife stays “free” then I don’t see a problem. There’s probably a directive that address the issue.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Dec 13 at 2019 3:08 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 15:08:16 -0500

If this is a hotel room and not the barracks you can have anyone stay with you that you like. If the hotel is on base, then you may be restricted to Family members. Either way speak to your 1SG. Never in my life have I heard anything like this. One note: if you are sharing a room with another Soldier based on unit budget then your spouse would not be authorized as it would be infringing on your peer. Thank you for your service.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Dec 13 at 2019 3:34 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 15:34:30 -0500

What does your 1SG say about this? The PSG have a god complex or is he just an ignorant Pendejo? Did you talk to the DTS folks?

Response by CSM Michael Chavaree made Dec 13 at 2019 4:21 PM

CSM Michael Chavaree — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 16:21:54 -0500

Never heard of that before, my wife attends TDY with me frequently and stays in my room at no cost. This sounds petty to me.

Response by Maj John Bell made Dec 13 at 2019 7:44 PM

Maj John Bell — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 19:44:15 -0500

Some hotels/motels increase the rate if a second person stays in the room. As long as you pick up the difference, I don't see a problem.

Oh and Amen!!! Brother to CPT Lawrence Cable

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2019 9:18 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:18:23 -0500

No offense, but it seems like you do a lot of bitching on this site, almost as if you don’t understand how the army works.

The Green Weanie is in full effect here though.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2019 9:25 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:25:46 -0500

As long as it doesn't cost extra money, there should be no issues. I have had my wife stay in government provided hotels before with me causing no problems (and also know a great number of enlisted and officers who have done the same). In fact, I am going to be staying in a government provided hotel room off post of Ft. Leonard Wood myself very soon (I am told on base lodging is being renovated). While I have seen certain school houses "recommend" spouses not accompany Soldiers, if they are paying for their own travel and its a civilian-run hotel (even on base), I do not see how they can stop you. In fact, I do not believe there is anything in Army or joint regulations against this either. I believe your PSG is wrong on this and I would respectfully ask for the regulation where this is not allowed.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 13 at 2019 10:25 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Dec 2019 22:25:50 -0500

Are you on TDY orders for training?? Even thought what they tell you is ridiculous I’m just trying to figure out if you are TDY or PCS orders?

Response by SGT Ken R made Dec 14 at 2019 12:16 AM

SGT Ken R — Sat, 14 Dec 2019 00:16:14 -0500

Your PSG needs to quit being a nosy drama queen and mind his own business when you are not at work. Believe it or not, they don't own you. Spend the night with your wife. If they want to push it, let them make even bigger fools of themselves.

Response by PV2 Ross Bryan made Dec 14 at 2019 10:04 PM

PV2 Ross Bryan — Sat, 14 Dec 2019 22:04:47 -0500

IT SOUNDS LIKE THE OLD STORY WHERE A SERGEANT TOLD A YOUNGER GUY ABOUT TO BE MARRIED!!
" IF THE ARMY WANTS YOU TO HAVE A WIFE SHE WILL BE ISSUED TO YOU!!"

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2019 11:01 AM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 17 Dec 2019 11:01:41 -0500

This may not apply at all, but wanted to provide another angle.
This would only apply to Reserves/Guard. If it's a drill weekend, the center (NOSC, Guard armory, etc.) contracts with a hotel for the amount of people and rooms coming that weekend. In the Navy, O5 and up, and E8 and up (I think) get their own rooms, but everyone else has to share. So we get the "don't bring someone to your room" a lot, as we have to share rooms with another drilling reservist who's been contracted for between the center and hotel.
I know that may not be the answer you want or need. I chafe at that myself (no family except my father-in-law was able to come to my O2-O3 promotion). A few were able to make it for my O3-O4 promotion, since I knew when it was going to be and planned my AT over that date (no sharing with another reservist), but then I did another "unofficial" one a few weeks late, back home, in my home church with a better looking ceremony (copied an Army Chap in my church who did the same for his O5-O6 promotion). That way, elderly family who couldn't travel got to be there, civilian folks got to see a bit of military ministry, and it was a little more than just the 5-10 minutes of "raise your right hand. repeat after me....do you have something you want to say?"
Trying to send helpful ideas. Best of luck and prayers! And congrats!

Response by PO1 Steve Mitchell made Dec 28 at 2019 3:34 AM

PO1 Steve Mitchell — Sat, 28 Dec 2019 03:34:04 -0500

Unless they are charging extra for your wife, the Army has no say. But I suspect, the hotel they are putting you up in is one of those that charges for double occupies. The US Army is not known for putting service members up in nice hotels. Now, if you pay the difference if that the case, there shouldnt be an issue.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2020 6:26 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Jan 2020 18:26:55 -0500

Tell your PSG to consult the JTR about this.

Particularly section 030502 Section A, sub section 1, sub sub section A. Which states:

"Attend a function in which the DoD sponsor is participating in an official capacity and in which the spouse is to address those assembled or otherwise play an active role and visible part."

This section of the JTR is Spousal Representation Travel and it covers when the government allows (and will pay for) a spouse to travel.

I'd say for a promotion you are "Participating in an official capacity" and your spouse has an "active role" (presenting you your new stripe).

Response by SP5 Ginny Walters made Jan 2 at 2020 6:47 PM

SP5 Ginny Walters — Thu, 02 Jan 2020 18:47:02 -0500

The same thing happened to me in 1974 when my husband and infant son arrived in Germany before I secured housing. They were not allowed to stay in my hotel room. Doesn’t sound like things have changed much.

Response by CPT Peter Grafton made Jan 2 at 2020 8:26 PM

CPT Peter Grafton — Thu, 02 Jan 2020 20:26:02 -0500

WTF and wow! Are you being promoted while in detention? There is a severe misunderstanding here and I really hope it gets cleared up ASAP. follow the CoC and get it resolved. Never heard of this before and am curious. Please post back their answer, it should be a good one.

Response by SGT Russell Chewning made Jan 3 at 2020 5:39 AM

SGT Russell Chewning — Fri, 03 Jan 2020 05:39:37 -0500

Gotta say... While I totally support the OP, I am somewhat surprised at the fairly unanimous "WTF?"-ness" of the responses, from a crowd that is GENERALLY of the "The military owns you, day and night, so suck it up, buttercup!" crowd here on Rally Point.

I don't see any practical difference between this situation and telling a female service member that she must wear a bra when OFF-POST, on personal time. But the opinions seemed to be fairly unanimous the other way, in stating that it was okay for a PSG to tell a female what she can wear on her time off, and away from the post. Maybe it's just that the service members on here feel more comfortable with infringing upon the personal time of a female? Color me confused on the intellectual inconsistency?

Response by Col Ian O'Connell made Jan 3 at 2020 12:08 PM

Col Ian O'Connell — Fri, 03 Jan 2020 12:08:45 -0500

Unless there's an additional cost, there should be no issue (except poor leadership and lack of knowledge on your PSG's part). Sounds like "I don't know the answer to be yes, so it must be no." I traveled extensively in 29 years. Occasionally my wife was able to join me. If there was an extra cost for her in the room, I paid it. Otherwise there should be no issue.

Response by SGT Robert Andrews made Jan 3 at 2020 1:39 PM

SGT Robert Andrews — Fri, 03 Jan 2020 13:39:05 -0500

Your chain of command is off point with that

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2020 2:32 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jan 2020 14:32:16 -0500

If I remember correctly it is against regs. But with that being said my unit has never told anyone in my unit that there wife's couldn't stay with them. Matter of fact last time they made sure I had my own room so my wife and kids could stay. You are in a room by yourself so I don't see what the big deal is. I'm thinking someone is new at the position and going by regulations so they don't get in trouble or you pissed someone off. Or possibly someone else might have done something bad that screwed it up for everyone else for a little while? Idk sucks though! Hope it worked out for you.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2020 6:52 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 03 Jan 2020 18:52:48 -0500

In defense of the unit... he IS the on unaccompanied orders, and the military isn't going to pay for to stay. My last unit sent one of our engineer officers to help with issues after one the hurricanes back in 05/06 for a few months and put him in a hotel room. Finance got one of his travel vouchers and noticed the hotel bill was higher than other officers. Turned out his wife flew down with him and was staying in his room and the hotel charged a "additional person" fee that he had been paying with his government travel card. We had to make him go to the hotel desk and have them separate the additional charges beyond the government contract for him into a separate bill for him to pay out of pocket.

Response by SFC Jeffrey Port made Jan 3 at 2020 8:14 PM

SFC Jeffrey Port — Fri, 03 Jan 2020 20:14:54 -0500

Since the original post was 13 Dec 2019 and it is now 03 Jan 2020, I imagine you were promoted already. Can you give us an update on what happened with your situation?
Thank you,

SFC Port

Response by MCPO Bob Wicker made Jan 3 at 2020 9:38 PM

MCPO Bob Wicker — Fri, 03 Jan 2020 21:38:11 -0500

The unit you're in must be really jacked up if they don't allow your wife to stay with you in your hotel room.

Response by Sgt Crusty Buck made Jan 5 at 2020 1:10 AM

Sgt Crusty Buck — Sun, 05 Jan 2020 01:10:14 -0500

Not army but, yes your wife can stay. Informally don’t tell anyone it’s not a single occupancy formally, they listed the official function and active role. Sounds like you’ve gotten under someone skin and they don’t want you to have this promotion. Either way, it’s wrong on their part. The clowns saying have your chain call them are only going to make it worse for you, so I wouldn’t go down that route. But simply put, if your spouse is command sponsored and has been on your orders then there isn’t much else to be said other than that your chain is wrong. Congrats on the promotion and good luck with everything. I swear the longer I’m out the dumber stuff gets and the more incompetent leadership seems to get. Not trying to blanket statement everyone, as some good folks on here are trying to have your back. But man that 214 is the nicest gift I’ve ever got myself lol.

Ps the person who said they don’t own you, they do. If you can get NJP for sunburn that pretty much means your not people in the eyes of the machine, go about it tactfully and bring the information in the regs. Could always go above the chains head if it’s something you believe would help too. Good luck

Response by CPO Bill Feller made Jan 5 at 2020 3:34 PM

CPO Bill Feller — Sun, 05 Jan 2020 15:34:29 -0500

The only people who can dictate who is allowed in a hotel room is the hotel owner. Unless the hotel is run by the army your PSG is just being a POS. Sounds like an E-5 trying to flex their stripes. Ask them to quote the regulation and show it in writing. Bet they can’t do it.

Response by MAJ Steve Daugherty made Jan 6 at 2020 5:45 PM

MAJ Steve Daugherty — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 17:45:39 -0500

There is no regulation against a visitor in your room as it doesn’t cost the government 1 extra cent for your wife to be there with you

Response by SSG Alfred Woods made Jan 6 at 2020 6:13 PM

SSG Alfred Woods — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 18:13:50 -0500

I've been retired now, for more than 20 years and if I read this right, this is a promotional ceremony and orders were drawn up for the soldier to be in attendance without his wife. The idea of the soldier being married, is or should have been of knowledge to the chain of command and his wife, should have been included on his orders. Often times, when a soldier is being promoted and he\she is married, the spouse is present for the promotional ceremony and often taker part in the pinning on of the stripes or bars. This would seem to be an over sight, within the soldiers command and could very well have an affect on re-enlistment, not for the soldier, but for others who may share a disagreement with what is going on in a situation of such.

As for the orders, they were written for the person who will occupy a particular room. Should something happen, the government is only responsible for the person on orders and occupying the room. However, orders can be amended to include the soldiers wife and or family, because no where in the article, does it say family members could not attend the ceremony. So, the soldier should occupy the room with his wife, and rest assure, amended orders are coming, including his spouse...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2020 11:51 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 23:51:30 -0500

Transfer to the Air Force and stay at the Inter-Continental, with your wife.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2020 7:39 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 07 Jan 2020 19:39:19 -0500

How'd it all work out?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2020 1:27 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 01:27:53 -0500

May be OBE, however please refer to the Joint Travel Regulation (JTR) table 2-15.
If the mission is specified to be wo dependents, then yes they can say no “unofficial travelers.” Any additional costs above single occupancy is at your own cost. All travel expenses are at your own cost. The spouse/unofficial traveler should never be in or drive a rented gov vehicle, as an insurance matter. The JTR and Joint Ethics Reg can answer all those questions for you.
Please do not say an officer told you to call them an inappropriate sexual term. You don’t need to be promoted one day, and remove the stripes the next.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2020 4:25 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 16:25:10 -0500

Can they? Yes, and it’s a legal order so be careful here Sergeant. The room “belongs” to the government because the government paid for it. Should they, it really depends on the why. Ask to see the Co commander on the open door policy if you don’t get a good reason. Ask to see where in the JTR or other regulation or policy where this is prohibited.

Response by SPC Donald Moore made Jan 9 at 2020 8:46 AM

SPC Donald Moore — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 08:46:43 -0500

Good advice already issued. Let us know how it turns out, but even GS civilians are able to have their wife in their government furnished room. They are attempting to enforce something that is just not a rule.

Response by CWO4 Brook Kelsey made Jan 9 at 2020 1:59 PM

CWO4 Brook Kelsey — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 13:59:20 -0500

Read Article 138 UCMJ very carefully before filling a complaint against your chain of command.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2020 2:58 PM

CPL Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 14:58:05 -0500

BS at its worse

Response by Sgt Able Snider made Jan 9 at 2020 3:18 PM

Sgt Able Snider — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 15:18:58 -0500

Never heard that one before.

Response by MSG Allan Davis made Jan 9 at 2020 4:31 PM

MSG Allan Davis — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 16:31:06 -0500

Ft. Wood needs to be completely shut down..... you guys are the only ones who are ever coming up with stuff like this. There really needs to be a large scale investigation from everything I am hearing about that place.

Response by CMSgt Donald ONeill made Jan 9 at 2020 6:55 PM

CMSgt Donald ONeill — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 18:55:55 -0500

Can't see a legit reason why wife can't stay , As a E-9 I would throw my weight on this one .

Response by PFC Ray Aquila made Jan 10 at 2020 4:29 PM

PFC Ray Aquila — Fri, 10 Jan 2020 16:29:06 -0500

It appears to me there are some making up their on rules.. It is like moving the goal posts as the game progresses. To my knowledge there is nothing written that, a wife/husband cannot occupy the same hotel room. There is certainly something amiss. Reading just about all responses. You certainly have the right to have your lovely wife in the room. If anyone in your unit can show without a doubt you can't have your wife stay with you in the hotel room. You should in good conscience do it. I haven't been in the military for over 50 years. But, it seems to me, it has changed, changed for the worse. Sorry you have been subjected to this kind of harassment.

Response by AB Edward Mondini made Jan 11 at 2020 2:05 AM

AB Edward Mondini — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 02:05:02 -0500

Very good question deserving of a valid explanation.

In the civilian world, the same exact rules apply: if my company sends me to a week-long convention, they’re paying for my flight, my rental car, my hotel & when I return I have to complete a detailed expense report listing all my meals, toiletries & other costs which they may reimburse me for in part or in full.
Nowhere in those arrangements are costs covered for my spouse, my kids, my sisters or brothers, my friends, etc. I’m representing my company & if I bring a friend or a spouse, the convention is “I’m responsible for paying their entire costs”.
Being in the military, this is especially sensitive. Why? Because this time, it’s not the military you’re asking to pay for your spouse. It’s the taxpayer. Now you’re in territory that’s likely to be put under a microscope in Congress, not Human Resources.
And guess who gets kicked in the ass if they find you brought your wife.
Not you......at least for now. It’ll be your commanding officer & he’ll be wearing his war paint when he calls you into his office for a “sensitivity session”.......and you’ll be lucky if all he asks you is “bring your checkbook”.
That’s the big picture, friend.

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Jan 11 at 2020 4:39 PM

SGT Charles Bartell — Sat, 11 Jan 2020 16:39:12 -0500

I must be missing something ? Your unit is paying for a hotel room for your promotion?
I have heard of promition's on weekeds before but that was in Korea and had to work any way.

Response by SSG Red Hoffman made Jan 12 at 2020 3:30 AM

SSG Red Hoffman — Sun, 12 Jan 2020 03:30:49 -0500

Do they dictate what kind of breakfast cereal and type of milk as well?? They cannot dictate what you can do and with whom. You need to take this to the platoon leader and make the platoon sergeant back off. Question...did you hear this from the PSG directly or just from you squad leader? Might be your sl is just abusing his authority.

Response by 1SG John Highfill made Jan 12 at 2020 1:19 PM

1SG John Highfill — Sun, 12 Jan 2020 13:19:17 -0500

This is wrong on so many levels ask for clarification on the refs that state their position and speak with your 1SG

Response by SGT Tom Moore made Jan 12 at 2020 1:44 PM

SGT Tom Moore — Sun, 12 Jan 2020 13:44:32 -0500

Oh look it’s the Retention Fairy doing its best to keep soldiers in uniform :facepalm:
We lose good soldiers to the green weenie and then get to watch the idiots become a platoon sergeant. Sorry this is happening to you.

Response by Jerry Rivas made Jan 13 at 2020 6:25 AM

Jerry Rivas — Mon, 13 Jan 2020 06:25:25 -0500

They must really hate you. WTF did you do to them? Best revenge is to go to OCS, come back as a 2nd louie and get you some payback.

Response by LTC Margo Peel made Jan 13 at 2020 8:12 PM

LTC Margo Peel — Mon, 13 Jan 2020 20:12:54 -0500

As long as there are NO ADDITONAL COSTS to have your wife stay in your Hotel Room, it should be perfectly okay for her to stay there in the same room with you. Even if there were additional costs, as long as the servicemember documents and shows that they paid the difference in costs there is no reason you can't have her there with you. Check the Joint Travel Regulation in the chapter that governs servicemember's TDY and you should be able to show your Squad Leader and PSG that it is perfectly OKAY.

Response by CAPT John Kittler made Jan 19 at 2020 8:29 PM

CAPT John Kittler — Sun, 19 Jan 2020 20:29:26 -0500

Sgt - I am sorry to see this. It is the type of mindless thoughtless leadership that would cause me to figure out a way to remove the PSG, right or not. I hope you got through it ok, since it is now January. Fix it when you get to be PSG. And by the way...most of all...
CONGRATULATIONS on your promotion !

Response by Maj Neal Jackman made Feb 5 at 2020 2:38 PM

Maj Neal Jackman — Wed, 05 Feb 2020 14:38:27 -0500

I'm wondering if they feel the same way about married housing? Gov pays for that too. They would probably be okay with the prostitute. JK. Sounds pretty stupid to me. The comment below about Foot Wood seems appropriate. A soldier on family day is not to have physical "contact" with a spouse. I doubt anyone follows that rule. I've heard a SIT who has a minor infraction such as calling another soldier by their first name during Red Week is routinely denied favorable training i.e. jump school, after OSUT and before reporting to their first duty station. Anyone heard of this?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2020 10:19 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 22:19:05 -0500

I'm literally in a government funded hotel room right now with my wife and kids.
They are full of shit. There are policies in place to cover this.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2020 11:45 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Feb 2020 11:45:34 -0500

I'm sure this is too late now, being over a month since you posted, but the only legitimate argument that your CoC could make is if the particular hotel charges based on occupancy. Few do so nowadays (accept maybe for college kids on spring break), but if they did, then it could be seen as "Stealing Services". An easy solution is to ask the hotel if there would be additional charges if your wife stayed with you (get it in writing if you have to when the say "No"). At this point you are not getting anything additional that the government is not already paying for (on the off chance they do charge, ask for those charges to be separated and pay out of pocket). This is also a morale and welfare issue that your CoC should support. As others have said, as long as the government is not incurring additional charges, there is no argument to be had. Take you spouse with you on other trips and let he enjoy the amenities that the government has paid for you to enjoy (but won't give you the time to).

Would like to see a follow-up on your outcome.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2020 6:23 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 07 Feb 2020 18:23:43 -0500

Even if you are on LIK, I can't see how/why the unit can't make a provision on this specific occasion to give you a room by yourself with your wife. It's this sort of idiocy that, as others have said, hurts morale and retention. Family serves right along with the Soldier.
Following along with CPT Cable, feel free to give them my name. Although I'm retired, this LTC, former commander and former IG will be more than happy to discuss the matter. I served for 32+ years and have never heard of such a thing.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2020 3:48 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:48:35 -0500

Section 0325 of the Joint Travel Regulation talks about Spouse Travel if it is in the interest of the DoD. Read it and find a way for your Commander to approve it and she could get a hotel room, per diem, and mileage...

Response by SGT Cesar Diaz made Feb 8 at 2020 6:24 PM

SGT Cesar Diaz — Sat, 08 Feb 2020 18:24:31 -0500

I believe they are 100% wrong for doing that since she is your wife . Now ask IG if what they are doing is allowed . After all you their soldier and one of the things they should do so that you can be always mission ready is to take care of your family. That proves that they dont care about that . Last thing , request open door policy with the commander !

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Feb 9 at 2020 2:50 AM

CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana — Sun, 09 Feb 2020 02:50:34 -0500

I agree with the lot, WTF? A legal spouse qualifies to travel with you on Uncle Sam's orders and, I know no such Commander or 1SG, or CSM that would deprive a soldier of traveling with spouse and family for your promotion ceremony. In fact, my Commander insisted that my wife travel with me and pin on my ranks when I got promoted. My lodging was paid for and I never filed for travel for my spouse. My spouse stayed with me, in my hotel room, and not a soul questioned it. Like CPT Cable stated, have a word with your PL and if not satisfied, meet your CDR and 1SG on their open door policy. There is policy on Consideration of Others somewhere, I know. SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2020 10:25 AM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 09 Feb 2020 10:25:29 -0500

Your PSG has got the wrong end of this. His job isn't to embarrass your spouse. Send a memo to your CC.

Response by PO1 Kevin Dougherty made Feb 9 at 2020 11:22 PM

PO1 Kevin Dougherty — Sun, 09 Feb 2020 23:22:37 -0500

SMH ...

Response by CPT William Jones made Feb 9 at 2020 11:43 PM

CPT William Jones — Sun, 09 Feb 2020 23:43:55 -0500

You can always ask the person telling you things like this to produce the reg and explain it to you. If they can’t tell them you need to go higher to have it shown to you. If there are additional expenses incured that would be on you. Be careful of the going higher if you don’t want complications. I did that once for a rom change in Vietnam as a captain and the 1lt I was dealing with couldn’t read his own reg. I jumped his head to his boss the J-1 of headquarters Vietnam. A major general. I was right and he straightened out his Lt

Response by SPC Brian Jones made Feb 10 at 2020 7:39 AM

SPC Brian Jones — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 07:39:21 -0500

Can your command tell you who you can and cannot have in a barracks room or in military housing? I think the answer is yes. However, I have NEVER seen nor heard of this happening. Who did you piss off?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 10 at 2020 1:58 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 13:58:57 -0500

Ask your Sqad Leader to show show you the regulation. Then don’t concur with the counseling and offer to make up the difference of having 2 people in the room in writing on the counseling statement. If he doesn’t have a regulation or Company Operating Procedure, they don’t have a leg to stand on. Tell your Squad Leader you want to take it up the chain of command during your counseling session.

Response by Lt Col Charlie Brown made Feb 10 at 2020 2:31 PM

Lt Col Charlie Brown — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:31:43 -0500

I always allowed my troops to have their spouse stay with them when there was a promotion or awards ceremony to attend. Someone needs to sort this place out. I too would be willing to talk to someone about that. I had six years of command time. I think I've been there, done that.

Response by SFC Terry Chamberlin made Feb 11 at 2020 8:12 PM

SFC Terry Chamberlin — Tue, 11 Feb 2020 20:12:08 -0500

That PSG should turn in his strips. Common sense prevails.

Response by LTC George Sucher made Feb 12 at 2020 12:34 PM

LTC George Sucher — Wed, 12 Feb 2020 12:34:41 -0500

I can’t understand the Unit’s position on disallowing your spouse in sharing a hotel room with you ?
Any concern that it reflects negatively on the Unit should take heed to the importance of having spouses participate and as a minimum witness the ceremony. This is a lifetime memory for both you and your spouses and should be encouraged and welcomed...

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2020 2:36 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Feb 2020 14:36:39 -0500

So my main question before getting into the details is why we’re you in a hotel in the first place and were you TDY?

Response by 2ndLt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 12 at 2020 3:36 PM

2ndLt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 12 Feb 2020 15:36:01 -0500

The only way this would even be a thing is if you are currently being punished under UCMJ for prior actions and this is a portion of that punishment. A soldier who has a spouse and lives on the economy can be restricted to quarters as part of an Article 15, NJP action. A married soldier could potentially be given a barracks room for the duration of that punishment. However, the BAH that is the housing allowance is for the family, not the soldier. So only your base pay would be reduced.

Response by SSG Todd McAllister made Feb 13 at 2020 11:03 AM

SSG Todd McAllister — Thu, 13 Feb 2020 11:03:16 -0500

Just wondering, are these "leaders" bringing spouses and making them pay for their own rooms? Maybe they don't want your wife in the way of their "midnight hazing rituals". Not saying this didn't happen (I've witnessed enough stupid to think otherwise) but sounds too ridiculous to be real. But then again,,,,

Response by PFC Douglas Stutz made Feb 14 at 2020 5:55 AM

PFC Douglas Stutz — Fri, 14 Feb 2020 05:55:11 -0500

the ONLY POSSIBLE reason i can fathom in this is that there is some kind of FUCKERY being planned by your platoon regarding your Promotion. depending on how close knit your platoon is this could be an attempt at a kind of hazing/enjoy your new rank asshole type thing and they don't wish your better half to be in the way of this... i would not have put it past the fuckers in my platoon to do EXACTLY THIS KIND OF SHIT ! i try to look at this from the perspective that .. your platoon is as tight as mine was... we did just about EVERYTHING as a platoon to include going to bars and getting in trouble. if one of us were fucked up.. it was ALL OF US that were fucked up too

Response by PO2 Joan Feledy made Feb 14 at 2020 11:18 AM

PO2 Joan Feledy — Fri, 14 Feb 2020 11:18:54 -0500

seems absolutely ridiculous. Its not like they. have to pay anymore for her to stay in your room. Did someone else complain they can't have their girl or guy in their room because they aren't married and used you as a scapegoat. Still shouldn't change anything and then they should tell that other person suck it up. Really makes no sense. Hope you get to have your wife in your room .

Response by CPO Charlie Kessler made Feb 15 at 2020 9:08 PM

CPO Charlie Kessler — Sat, 15 Feb 2020 21:08:48 -0500

I'm a retired Navy Chief. What you are saying is absolutely ridiculous. You have no room mate in in your hotel room so there is no reason your wife should not be able to share the room. My honest advice to you: Request mast. Counseling is really not anything, but morally this situation is wrong and your platoon sgt should be held to account for his/her decision to counsel you. If I were in charge of this person I would want to know this was happening. Just because you are a non-rate does not mean you don't matter. If you would like, I could be available for consulation on this issue. This is simply not right.

Response by MSG Clyde Harris made Feb 19 at 2020 10:12 AM

MSG Clyde Harris — Wed, 19 Feb 2020 10:12:40 -0500

I can’t believe we’re really talking about this!! There has to be more to the story. How many years does your PSG have in, and does he have any leadership skills? I would agree that if it’s being put on paper, the worse thing you could do is disobey a lawful order. I would use the CoC first and ask the PSG about his decision. Make sure you have regulation in hand and that you’re willing to pay any expenses that may incur due to your wife staying in the room with you. Maybe someone prior to you did something illegal and now your PSG is cautious of everything? BLUF you’re not going to agree with every order but in the end after you’ve exhausted your resources, if the answer is still no, “roger that, nod your head North and South, take a drink of water, move out and draw fire”. MANCHU!

Response by 1SG Joseph Dartey made Feb 23 at 2020 7:09 PM

1SG Joseph Dartey — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 19:09:11 -0500

As a Retired 1SG, I would encourage my soldiers to have their spouse in their hotel room to less the stress and financial burden. Your PSG is the one who needs counseling! What is wrong with him!?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2020 10:07 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 Feb 2020 10:07:01 -0500

Frankly, I'd file this under "signs you should look to go elsewhere."
There's a certain amount of bureaucratic BS that we all have to put up with in any job. That's a part of life, and it's often a part of our job. But if you need to have a damn lawyer on the phone in order to stop locally generated bureaucratic BS, ESPECIALLY where it involves your family, that's where I draw the line. Tell me that I can have my wife in my hotel room, but I have to pay the difference if there's a fee for an extra person? That makes sense. But tell me flat out that my wife isn't allowed in my hotel room at all, and the justification is "because we say so?" I'm not going to look up regs. I'm not going to go up the chain. I'm not going to argue or complain or try to correct anybody. I'm just going to plan my exit strategy, because you also just told me that you can hose over my family any time you feel like it for no reason. I might win this battle if I go up the chain, but ultimately I know you're going to spend your time screwing over my wife and kids. The Hell with that. I'll suffer an indignity for now, and then you can find yourself another sucker to deal with.

Response by SFC Perry Penning made Mar 12 at 2020 7:39 PM

SFC Perry Penning — Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:39:40 -0400

They would have to have a viable reason to deny a wife we had one that was a threat to her husband and the blotter from both MP and Local could back that up. If she is deemed a health threat or a security threat to the US yes. If the SM is a threat to her again this could be a viable reason other wise it would have to be a blanket order applied to all SM to and include officers

Response by SGT Juan Robledo made Mar 13 at 2020 3:43 PM

SGT Juan Robledo — Fri, 13 Mar 2020 15:43:49 -0400

Not sure, a head scratcher, well stay with your wife, and get back early enough so you won't miss the ceremony, that's what I would do, just inform your leader of your plans incase they call you or visit you at your room, that's my thought

Response by Cpl Shane Dickinson made Mar 13 at 2020 7:29 PM

Cpl Shane Dickinson — Fri, 13 Mar 2020 19:29:38 -0400

A military member any branch is gonna get theirs do not try and stop them they are human beings and it’s none of the units business . If it becomes forbidden we would’ve done it anyway . Me and several other Marines snitch strippers in the barracks before going to Iraq they had a bouncer and it was just entertainment of course but i told the other guys what they gonna do to us ? Send us to Iraq ? Lol that was an awesome night .

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Mar 14 at 2020 12:10 AM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Sat, 14 Mar 2020 00:10:55 -0400

If That so called PSG is coming up with that crap He better be able to quote a Regulation which He can't as there isn't one that doesn't allow that in a hotel room. Counsel for what ? there is no violation on Your part. I'll bet Your 1st Sgt and CO would have a lot different view than that POS, PSG does. If I were His Commander or First Sergeant I would change His attitude or He would no longer be a Platoon Sergeant. As a former 1st Sgt Myself, Me and My CO did take care of our people and knew how important a promotion ceremony was to the Service member and His wife.

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Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made Mar 14 at 2020 7:29 PM

SFC Rollie Hubbard — Sat, 14 Mar 2020 19:29:15 -0400

Personally I would say to my PSG that my wife will be staying with me then if you have to there is always the higher chain of command to include the post IG.

Response by GySgt John Hudson made Mar 15 at 2020 7:28 PM

GySgt John Hudson — Sun, 15 Mar 2020 19:28:33 -0400

Dumb leadership gives you stupid answers... This is where common sense has been weeded out and s_____t for brains shows itself... This would not happen in my Marine Corps! Didn't happen in my dads Army nor in my uncles Navy! Wait until you catch them with a female/male companion in their room. Charge them under the articles of the UCMJ and get rid of them... Get a room for two and stay with your wife.. Gunny Hudson

Response by GySgt John Hudson made Mar 15 at 2020 7:35 PM

GySgt John Hudson — Sun, 15 Mar 2020 19:35:06 -0400

Progressive political correctness gone somewhat stupid and wild... This is the kind if leadership we have now? What do they teach in leadership schools and ROTC now days?

Response by SGT Lenise Hamilton made Mar 16 at 2020 4:42 AM

SGT Lenise Hamilton — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 04:42:08 -0400

Such stupid nonsense SGT Voye, you can tell them/that idiot to get a life, hopefully, they will see my comments. What hole did this idiots crawl out of, it's obvious even the hole didn't even want them their either! this must be there own created Army, not the Official Gov't's Army. They should truly get some business instead of creating something stupid like the above mentioned comment. It's obvious that the individual that told you something stupid like this are not "Fit-For-Duty". Your PSG needs to be considered for a Chapter out of the military...For he/she happens to be having some serious issues that are dangerous and creating unnecessary hard-ships. Stay as far away from this idiot as much as possible, I wish you well!!

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2020 11:13 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 11:13:16 -0400

SGT Cody, you need to get with your lodging NCOIC and OIC. The short answer is yes, if the government is paying for your hotel room, then they can dictate who can stay. The long answer revolves around the USAR's ability to provide safe accommodation, meeting contract obligations via the lodging program and conforming to local and state law.

Think of it this way, there's a paper on your hotel door that says the maximum amount per person the hotel is legally allowed to charge for a room. This paper is posted mainly for times of disaster when hotel rooms become scare. That paper also dictates that all occupants must pay for occupancy. If you get a room and state it's just you, then bring your wife in, you're violating your contract with the hotel, since you're not paying for your wife's stay.

Now, back to not being allowed in your room... The Army is responsible for the safety and well being of every person in that room. If your wife gets hurt the Army is liable. If your wife hurts another, the Army is liable. The Army does not want to be liable for the actions of your wife, since they have no legal authority over her to compel her to act IAW Army regulation.

You want your wife to stay with you? Decline lodging via the Army and pay for your room.

Response by SSG Aaron Gough made Mar 18 at 2020 8:43 AM

SSG Aaron Gough — Wed, 18 Mar 2020 08:43:09 -0400

I bet you five dollars you could get some great information from the IG about this bullcrap. It's always amazing how people change their minds once they get an IG complaint against them.

Response by MSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2020 3:29 PM

MSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Mar 2020 15:29:37 -0400

Ask them to provide you with the regulation in writing that shows this is unauthorized. The only way I could see this being enforced is if their has been a domestic violence or pending divorce which the CDR has issued a "no contact" order for. As long as your telling the whole story, there is no way they can prohibit her visiting you or staying in your hotel room, gvt provided or not.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2020 7:54 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Mar 2020 07:54:48 -0400

This seems kinda petty on your leadership. The technical is yes they are correct. Just as you wouldnt have your wife living in the barracks if you were single. The real question is are they so strict to adhere to all regs and not just in this instance. My question to them would be...if I looked in their counseling packets is there on month missing, are all ABCP failures flagged, APFT failures flagged and pending chapter, does that NCO have four serviceable uniforms and boots, is his ASUs ready to be worn free of lint or spots on his brass, is his ERB/SRB accurate, has all his Soldiers received their PCS/ETS awards in their hands before they left, does his haircut violate 670-1? I could on and on. If there are any deficiencies then they need to stop. They need to make sure all their ducks are in a row with everything, all the time and just focus on this one instance. Just my two cents.

Response by CDR Tom Davy made Mar 27 at 2020 8:02 AM

CDR Tom Davy — Fri, 27 Mar 2020 08:02:42 -0400

Unless you are two-to-a-room, there is no reason to prohibit your WIFE from staying in your hotel room. Where AD pers had a single hotel room or BEQ/BOQ room, I have seen wives live and families live with their sponsor for the entire tour of duty, even during "unaccompanied" tours.
What reason did they give?.

Response by SPC Clayton Ellzey made Apr 9 at 2020 10:18 AM

SPC Clayton Ellzey — Thu, 09 Apr 2020 10:18:53 -0400

I hope you refused to sign that counseling statement.

Response by SPC Anthony Zbikowski made Apr 9 at 2020 8:00 PM

SPC Anthony Zbikowski — Thu, 09 Apr 2020 20:00:54 -0400

Way out of the game and far more familiar with GSA regs on travel now but this would seem to be the applicable reg...

https://www.defensetravel.dod.mil/Docs/perdiem/browse/Travel_Regulations/Regulations_Changes/Monthly/2018/JTR(01-01-18).pdf

possibly see section 0309 Travel to Receive or Present Award

I suspect the correct answer lies in there. If it was GSA travel (and DOD vs GSA is not that big a difference in most ways) I'd say you are good to go and would only be liable/not-reembursed for any portion of a double occupancy rate fee etc. from the hotel.

Also, your PSG is a giant bag of dicks.

JTR(01-01-18).pdf

Response by LCpl Kenneth Heath made Apr 9 at 2020 10:58 PM

LCpl Kenneth Heath — Thu, 09 Apr 2020 22:58:28 -0400

They probably have the right to disallow any illegal activity in any space they pay for, but sleeping with your own wife is not against any article of the UCMJ that I'm aware of.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Apr 10 at 2020 10:59 AM

GySgt William Hardy — Fri, 10 Apr 2020 10:59:25 -0400

Unfortunately, the Army is right. If I understand your post, the Army is paying for your room as "quarters". If your wife stays in the room, then she would be staying their for free on the military's dime. In other words, double dipping. She is living in government quarters, and now she wants to stay in a room provided by the government. Your solution is for one of you to get and pay for another room. If it were a permanent change of station she could have been added to the orders and all would be fine, but if it not POS, then she would have to get a separate room. I ran into this problem with other people over the years. Most of them just got a room on their own.

Unless something was left out, that is just the way it is. On the other hand, most people would just ignore what is going on. They may say you cannot, but a blind eye is turned and nobody cares.

Response by PO1 George White made Apr 10 at 2020 1:56 PM

PO1 George White — Fri, 10 Apr 2020 13:56:51 -0400

That does seem odd; but, because of positional authority, and rank has its privileges in the military, this sort of illogical dictate does happen and more often than folks like to know or admit.

Is your duty station in Nashville, are you on reserve duty with assigned quarters being the hotel? Those are two questions that seem pertinent.
I can understand the reasoning if you were on a duty assignment and was being furnished that room by the military; however if you are being furnished that room with no assigned roommate and your wife can be accommodated, for the duration of the ceremony, in the room as is, I don't understand why this has even become an issue.

It seems remarkably petty to me. Legal yeah, but petty for sure.

Response by BG Jim Drago made Apr 11 at 2020 12:09 PM

BG Jim Drago — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 12:09:13 -0400

1)Unless there is a really big odd skeleton in your closet, 2) the PSG is being told to do this, or 3)there’s more information about why your in government paid rooms (aka deployed to support and you have a roommate) then yes they are out of line . Use your chain of command but I sense there’s more to this story than what’s written above.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2020 3:29 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:29:18 -0400

I would hate to think that there is a PSG and SL that.... not so great word, would do this, but I currently have one of the dumbest people I have ever worked with right now. So maybe they are. However, I see a lot of scumbag Soldiers who try the pity party and hide the truth from command. So I ask you, have you had marital issues that we’re abusive, unethical or illegal in daily acts? If so, then your leadership is looking out for your best interest. If this is the case then as the 1SG I would speak to commander and JAG and get a no contact order drawn up. Then hold you accountable for being a turd. is your promotion because of MLI? This would tell me a lot of your character.

Response by SFC Benjamin Varlese made Apr 11 at 2020 6:08 PM

SFC Benjamin Varlese — Sat, 11 Apr 2020 18:08:31 -0400

This is precisely the kind of toxic leadership mental midgetry that kills unit retention. Use your chain of command to submit a grievance, and if you don’t receive a reasonable disposition go to the IG, they love nonsense like this. This is garbage and completely unnecessary

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Apr 12 at 2020 8:43 PM

1SG James Kelly — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 20:43:42 -0400

Dumb shit PSG.

Response by SFC Otto Ortiz made Apr 12 at 2020 9:54 PM

SFC Otto Ortiz — Sun, 12 Apr 2020 21:54:30 -0400

sounds like your PSG is a idiot !

Response by PO1 Tara Dancy made Apr 13 at 2020 7:54 AM

PO1 Tara Dancy — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:54:26 -0400

I'm retired Navy and I smell bullshit all over this situation. This is your moment and your spouse should be there to enjoy it with you.

Response by SFC Oddie Brown made Apr 13 at 2020 11:27 PM

SFC Oddie Brown — Mon, 13 Apr 2020 23:27:41 -0400

I bet the retention for this unit is just phenomenal.

Response by MAJ Robert Philpot made Apr 15 at 2020 7:35 AM

MAJ Robert Philpot — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:35:10 -0400

Was this a commercial hotel or a BEQ?

Response by MAJ Robert Philpot made Apr 15 at 2020 7:35 AM

MAJ Robert Philpot — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 07:35:45 -0400

Was this a commercial hotel room or a BEQ room?

Response by PV2 Michael Whiddon made Apr 16 at 2020 3:24 AM

PV2 Michael Whiddon — Thu, 16 Apr 2020 03:24:22 -0400

Jesus fuck what is wrong with those assholes?

Response by PO3 Alan Parr made Apr 17 at 2020 4:43 AM

PO3 Alan Parr — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 04:43:59 -0400

Is this a recent (i.e. COVID-19 related) event? If so, I could understand their reasoning. Otherwise, this is a pure Dick move..

Response by SSG James Stodola made Apr 17 at 2020 10:27 AM

SSG James Stodola — Fri, 17 Apr 2020 10:27:44 -0400

First off, congratulations on your promotion. Now your real learning starts as a proud member of the NCO Corps so lets do this right. First of all I have seen many a type of leaders in my 34 years in the Army so this is nothing new to me anyway. This "government provided housing" crap is just that, crap. Is there or has there been any sort of friction now or in the past between you and your PSG as this might lend a reason to his stupid thinking. Counseling you on something that you haven't done yet or might not even do is not really within the regulations nor is it an example of good leadership. From my standpoint there is no reason what so ever for your wife not to be allowed in your room, as you said she is your wife. So Sergeant, now is the time to run this nonsense up the flagpole First stop is your PL, calming explain the situation and ask for clarification, and to see if this may also be coming form him / her and they just didn't want to deal directly with it. If it turns out that the PL is on board with this then your next stop is the 1SGT and the Commander if possible. Now logically, looking at your chain of command, you could go to the 1SGT and if no relief, then to your Sergeant Major as he is the top of your NCO chain. Again, whomever you get to see, politely ask for a clarification to this with specific regulations if possible, also bring up the "pre-counseling" issue as well as this to me is a big fuck-up by the PSG. It is clear in your writing that this PSG and CPT Cable are a couple of major dickheads and need a serious adjustment, both in attitudes and leadership skills as it is apparent that neither one of them possess much of each and that is a sad statement in today's military. I would have you offer to have them call me but I am retired and they would obviously not listen to me, even though in my time I have placed more than a few officers in their respective places on many occasion, sometimes as an NCO, a real hardworking, true to the corps NCO, you have to risk it all to fight for your team. Good luck with and hope it works out for you, and if it comes out in your favor, be aware that the PSG and this Dick CPT will be out for you, unofficially of course, but watch your back and do everything by the book.

Response by PO1 Michael Bruner made Apr 18 at 2020 2:30 PM

PO1 Michael Bruner — Sat, 18 Apr 2020 14:30:07 -0400

Sounds like the jackass who issued the order has either got the hots for your wife or you.

Response by Maj Robert Larkowski made Apr 19 at 2020 9:45 AM

Maj Robert Larkowski — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 09:45:38 -0400

Definitely sounds like someone is over stepping their authority!

Response by SPC Michael Dehart made Apr 20 at 2020 8:52 AM

SPC Michael Dehart — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 08:52:34 -0400

Thats not 100% accurate on the part of your unit. The MI&E rate paid for the hotel is for you only but most hotels will just charge you an upcharge for your spouse at no expense to the govt. Only a really anal, FUBARed Chain of Command goes to these lengths.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2020 11:42 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 23:42:49 -0400

So much power tripping, I swear. I've never had a problem as a marine wife. As long as my husband had his own room, I could stay. His unit encouraged it. However, when I was in the Navy and visiting my then-boyfriend, who lived two hours away, he got yelled at because I stayed there overnight. He had his own room. I never understood those rules. We had already graduated A school and C school. Why is he being treated like a child? We are full grown adults and we were a dating couple.

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Response by SPC Paul LaBelle made Apr 27 at 2020 1:04 PM

SPC Paul LaBelle — Mon, 27 Apr 2020 13:04:17 -0400

I was about the make a comment about Covid 19 and health and safety but then I saw this was posted in January, so your chain of command were dicks or they knew something we didn’t know ( kidding)

Response by SP6 Yanrique Joseph made Apr 30 at 2020 9:45 AM

SP6 Yanrique Joseph — Thu, 30 Apr 2020 09:45:10 -0400

Some people think they are a walking ar, and make up their own regulations. That's why good soldiers are demotivated because of some people's cooked brains. Invite you wife into your room and be at peace. Let them push it it will go as far as trash 13....

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2020 6:58 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 20 May 2020 06:58:07 -0400

If you're in Nashville TDY from home station, and you pay for any extra person charge in your room out of pocket, there's nothing that says your wife can't stay in your room with you. What finally happened?

And I would immediately go to the 1SG when the PSG tries some dumb shit like that. SSG Robert Burns had a story about how an AIT soldier got denied by her PSG on the opportunity to go with her parent on pass when everyone else got to, just because her parent was a Major. That was equally jacked up.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made May 20 at 2020 4:35 PM

CW3 Kevin Storm — Wed, 20 May 2020 16:35:21 -0400

And this is why people don't reenlist.

Response by SFC Laurie Schultz made May 25 at 2020 6:45 PM

SFC Laurie Schultz — Mon, 25 May 2020 18:45:20 -0400

Your leader is out of line. Travel refs allow spouses during official travel for special events. Your being promoted counts as long as your pay office authorizes it. It would be on the travel orders. Your leader is a prick. Have him contact me.

Response by SGT Keira Pickering made May 27 at 2020 4:11 PM

SGT Keira Pickering — Wed, 27 May 2020 16:11:09 -0400

Would that mean... if you were to get government provided on base housing outside of the barracks that your wife would not be allowed there either? Also, wouldn't your wife getting her own hotel room still be a financial bind as it is still coming out of your household? I will just assume that they didn't issue any logic or common sense to your PSG when he went through any of his schools but at the same time it sounds like he's pushing some of his personal problems and home animosities onto you.

Response by SMSgt Diana Pasterchick made May 29 at 2020 7:04 PM

SMSgt Diana Pasterchick — Fri, 29 May 2020 19:04:58 -0400

I wish I had seen this 6 mos ago... I am retired from the Air Force.....we would have hooked you AND your wife in a suite. (Counseled???) Your PSG is an ate up WANK. Congrats on the promotion--hope you received a new assignment as well.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made May 30 at 2020 8:38 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Sat, 30 May 2020 20:38:22 -0400

Such is the life of being in the US ARMY.
Your wife wasn't issued to you in basic. Nor is she part of your TO&E issue.
If you could have made the grade, to join the Air Force, no problem with her staying with you in the hotel room. Hookers aren't allowed in any service member's hotel room when it is contracted by the military. One would believe that a man/woman's spouse should be greeted and honored by the ARMY, for your promotion ceremony and allowed to stay in a hotel room with you.

Response by LTC Margo Peel made May 30 at 2020 11:01 PM

LTC Margo Peel — Sat, 30 May 2020 23:01:45 -0400

As previously mentioned the regulation that covers this is the Joint Travel Regulations. The government pays a set amount for the room. As long as you pay any difference in the cost (if there is any) to have your wife stay with you, you are perfectly within your right to have your wife stay in your room with you. Contact your Travel office (who funded your orders for that room) and/or get advice from any military Legal Assistance office to educate your PSG. Even if your promotion is over, I would still do it in order to prevent this from happening to any other soldier who has to suffer under the uninformed leadership of this PSG.

Response by CPL Joseph Elinger made Jun 11 at 2020 6:27 PM

CPL Joseph Elinger — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 18:27:54 -0400

I think maybe The PSgt "has designs on you." I'd have a meeting with my PL & address that question as well. A JAG rep present as well could PERMANENTLY cure him of such stupidity.
Sh*t doesn't always roll downhill. It can roll up to!

Response by CW2 Bruce Greiner made Jun 15 at 2020 10:49 AM

CW2 Bruce Greiner — Mon, 15 Jun 2020 10:49:58 -0400

I was was at an overseas location where members of my platoon hosted as advisors to a foreign military command were placed in private long term residences paid for with government funds. The battalion commander conducted an unannounced inspection of the leased apartments and found a soldier's girlfriend and others had moved in with him. At the summary court marshall, it was found the UCMJ permitted the CDR's inspection of government-funded private residences and that the soldier was subject to the same rules as if he was living in bachelor quarters on base with the same restrictions which prohibited nonmilitary members from residing in those facilities. As with many rules in the military how things are funded dictate rules who or what is permitted to use do in facilities and housing.

Response by SFC Terry Bryant made Jun 16 at 2020 6:27 PM

SFC Terry Bryant — Tue, 16 Jun 2020 18:27:08 -0400

Use your chain of command and then IG. We don't always know the whole story but that is just absolute BS for a PLS to make that call without justification. Most of my last 20 years my team and I were on TDY orders. I would never ever tell a Soldier, man or woman that you can't see your spouse. Unless there was disciplinary action involved. Even then you would have to be under house arrest or something. So screwed up that one.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 16 at 2020 7:51 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Jun 2020 19:51:37 -0400

The correct answer of "read the regs" has already been posted...no need to beat a dead horse. I am curious to know, if you were in a promotion ceremony 6 months ago(I'm assuming E5)...how do you feel that you are eligible and fully qualified to be promoted to E6? The TIG is waiverable but I have yet to meet a soldier who was ready to be promoted in a matter of 6 months TIG.

Responsible leadership doesn't promote soldiers as soon as they meet TIS and TIG...they promote soldiers when they feel that they are ready for the challenge of additional rank and responsibility. Use your NCO support chain and somewhere you will find out why they don't feel you're E6 material. Also, IG isn't some weapon to use any time you think something is wrong...you have to go through the proper channels and exhaust your options within your own chain of command first in most cases. IG simply ensures that regulations are being followed and often, the soldier who instigates the investigation hasn't done their homework(see "read the regs") and they get informed that command is acting within their authority and nothing will be done. If you know for a fact that you are being singled out based on a personal grievance, race, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, etc...gather the evidence and present your case. Once again, responsible leadership will resolve the issue at the lowest level possible.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jun 16 at 2020 10:09 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Tue, 16 Jun 2020 22:09:52 -0400

We need to insulate our troops from stupid effing shit like this. This is pathetic. Real leaders fight for their troops, and real leaders follow regulations, and there is nothing in the Travel Regulations that state who can occupy a hotel room. Your PSG is a bag of rocks. He should take his faulty logic and shove it up his prolific ass. He takes the award for being the first jackass in the Army to indicate a husband and wife can't share a hotel room.

Response by GySgt Gary Cordeiro made Jun 16 at 2020 10:16 PM

GySgt Gary Cordeiro — Tue, 16 Jun 2020 22:16:44 -0400

IG issue, poor leaders

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Jun 17 at 2020 8:33 AM

SFC John Fourquet — Wed, 17 Jun 2020 08:33:53 -0400

Save your copy of the counseling for your IG complaint. Take this to your CO. Your PSG is a power hungry piece of feces.

Response by William Davis made Jun 17 at 2020 10:30 PM

William Davis — Wed, 17 Jun 2020 22:30:21 -0400

And I was thinking this thread was going to be a "don't ask don't tell" scenario, however since it involves a spouse there should be ZERO issues with them sharing your room, especially after living together in on base housing... Sounds like maybe a double standard, or a personal issue with your upper command.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 18 at 2020 8:23 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 20:23:18 -0400

I feel like this has a legit case of IG written all over it.

Response by PO2 James Winter made Jun 19 at 2020 3:58 PM

PO2 James Winter — Fri, 19 Jun 2020 15:58:48 -0400

What is the POSITIVE value to micromanaging rules such as these. I was in the military for 9 years and yes

Response by Lt Col Brett Meyer made Jun 20 at 2020 3:47 PM

Lt Col Brett Meyer — Sat, 20 Jun 2020 15:47:16 -0400

I would recommend you listen to what you were told to do. Let them know that you heard what they said and then do what you want to do. When they call you on it later ask them politely to show you the regulation or policy that they have that says you can not have your wife with you in the hotel room. Then politely ask for an appointment with JAG.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2020 6:02 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jun 2020 18:02:49 -0400

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2020 11:23 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jun 2020 11:23:25 -0400

One of my additional duties is DTS AO. I cross talked this with a few other SMEs and we dug into JTR. There is nothing in the regs stating your wife in this situation was restricted from being in your room. However your story is to vague. Why were you in a hotel at your duty station ? We the readers need that detail.
I also feel as if we aren’t getting the whole story. However if we did in fact get the whole story, as vague as it is, if I were you I would look into why your PSG is so concerned about your wife because that(regardless of the disagreeing from other commenters)is none of his business.
I know this is an older post however I felt compelled to share insight.

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Jun 21 at 2020 3:49 PM

SFC Carlos Cruz — Sun, 21 Jun 2020 15:49:27 -0400

It sounds like your this is complete toxic leadership when they should allow you to get a room out of your pay to spend it with family.

Response by PO3 Jerry Baldwin made Jun 22 at 2020 11:40 AM

PO3 Jerry Baldwin — Mon, 22 Jun 2020 11:40:39 -0400

So sorry I did not see this in December. My wife and I live in the Nashville area and we would have been more than happy to put you and your wife up. How dare the military treat our soldiers in such a way.

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made Jun 23 at 2020 8:43 PM

SSG Clayton Lam — Tue, 23 Jun 2020 20:43:18 -0400

there is no reason why your wife could not stay in the hotel room with you. ask them for a good reason i.e. regulation, or unit policy. you did nothing wrong.

Response by COL Mark Voichoski made Jul 4 at 2020 8:31 PM

COL Mark Voichoski — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 20:31:15 -0400

JTR para. 020303 Table 2-15 Rule 2: If an official traveler shares a room with a non-official traveler,
then the official traveler is reimbursed the actual daily lodging cost based on the single occupant rate, limited to the lodging portion of the locality per diem rate. A traveler who leases more spacious lodging to accommodate a non-official traveler is not reimbursed for the additional expense.

Response by SSG Sidney Galloway made Jul 13 at 2020 1:20 PM

SSG Sidney Galloway — Mon, 13 Jul 2020 13:20:11 -0400

I don't know the policy on motel rooms, or the allowance of guests, but I DO know that you can submit a promotion packet (provided you've been to the board). Gather your points, in triplicate. Take the packet to S1 yourself.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2020 7:19 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 17 Jul 2020 19:19:51 -0400

Wow, you got shafted big time. Kudos to you for looking out for your fellow Soldier though and placing their comfort and well-being above yours. That's the sign of a good NCO btw.
However the fact remains that your PSG put their face where it didn't belong. Saw that crap far too often as a geographical bachelor when I was in and collecting counseling statements for having my wife in my barracks room or being in hers when I would visit her. That counseling you got was pure BS in my opinion. Like you illuded to, it's not like you were bringing in a hooker for some TDY while TDY. Hopefully you can get reassigned to a better unit in the future that is led by actual adults rather than uptight morally rigid assholes who fail to see the gray between the black and white of the regulations.

Response by SGT Allen Treviranus made Jul 19 at 2020 12:00 PM

SGT Allen Treviranus — Sun, 19 Jul 2020 12:00:21 -0400

Get out of that unit. Volunteer for anything. They sound like a bunch of boot lickers.

Response by CW3 Walter Goerner made Jul 20 at 2020 12:57 PM

CW3 Walter Goerner — Mon, 20 Jul 2020 12:57:27 -0400

Your family housing at Ft. Leonard Wood is accompanied housing for you and authorized dependents. Occasional and temporary guests may also be allowed, and I say MAY because it may not depending upon the regulations relating to authorized guests on or even off an installation. You aren't allowed, generally, to have your wife or authorized dependents stay with you in provided unaccompanied quarters, which a hotel usually is. This is not part of your pay and allowances. There are many married soldiers that live in barracks spaces...or a hotel...that's military funded not an allowance or from your authorization for family allowance. If the approving authority allows you to live other than in a required space it will be at your expense, not an additional expense to the Government. So, YES, if the unit pays for it, the Commander definitely has a say.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2020 11:33 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 21 Jul 2020 11:33:30 -0400

I’m assuming you are a Reservist and the unit has provided you LIK for a Battle Assembly Weekend? Your unit is correct that LIK is for Soldiers only but they also should have put another Soldier in with you to get the most out of their money. Maybe there was an odd number of Soldiers needing LIK that weekend. Since you didn’t use the room though, you can’t just give it to another Soldier. You are also required to cancel the room request with your unit in sufficient amount of time that they can cancel the room reservation with the contracted hotel. Your unit could have put your spouse on an invitational order and you and her could have shared a hotel or you could have, if you qualify, could have used the IDT travel program and obtained a hotel. You need prior authorization to use IDT funds and you would bee reimbursed for IDT travel and lodging expenses up to $500. You still would have had to pay for your wife’s ticket though. As far as the promotion board, that sucks but this shouldn’t be something that keeps you from getting promoted as long as you are otherwise qualified. If it does, I’d start looking for another unit to transfer too.

Response by MSgt Harold Harris made Jul 23 at 2020 3:17 PM

MSgt Harold Harris — Thu, 23 Jul 2020 15:17:57 -0400

I could understand if you were living in the barracks, I had the same situation at Ft. Campbell KY., only I was residing in a barracks and my wife came up to visit me. She had a room in the on station hotel, and I spent my time with her in her room (weekends only) and took a taxi back to my barracks on Monday morning. In fact I was always greeted by commander, who would salute me first in jest. LOL But then again, I was in the Air Force.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 24 at 2020 6:53 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:53:56 -0400

If you're using LIK. You cannot have guests. That's actually true. However the JTR males no reference to guests in that capacity.

Response by SSgt Dwight Deatherage made Jul 25 at 2020 6:10 PM

SSgt Dwight Deatherage — Sat, 25 Jul 2020 18:10:58 -0400

I just retired as a DAC with 32+ years (active Duty in the Stone Age + Civil Service) and traveled 300 times on Arny/Government business using planes, trains and automobiles.

We have to follow the rules exactly the same as you in DTS (and before DTS).

I have taken my wife with me a number of times. Pre DTS, I could buy her airline tickets through Carlson Travel. Using DTS stopped that, then sometimes it was a juggling act to get on the same flight.

The only hassle I ever got was one time from a GS-15 Division Chief ordered me to not let my wife ride in the rental car. For a while I rented on my own and put it on the voucher, but DTS finally made that hard to do, so I would drive to her the hotel, and we would Uber to dinner if the hotel courtesy van was not available.

I had one hotel hassle me because with two people we were using to many towels. A chat with the property manager took care of that.

I have seen so many wives at some functions that they organized their own lunches and shopping expeditions.

I agree, you probably got the short end of the deal.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2020 2:05 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Jul 2020 14:05:59 -0400

Find out regulation on this. It’s not that your unit did not want your wife there. Every Command would encourage their family members to be with their Soldiers. However, you are ON military orders. Family members would have to get their own lodging at their expense unless your orders specifically state that your family members are covered.
Read your orders and understand the fine print.
Second, there really is no reason for those who responded to be using foul languages in responding to any inquiry.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2020 7:32 PM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 26 Jul 2020 19:32:02 -0400

For future reference:
Roadblock: you need to...blah blah blah
You: sure thing. What regulation is that again?
Roadblock: uhhhhh....
You: Roger. You can find me and my wife in my room.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 17 at 2020 2:54 AM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Sep 2020 02:54:07 -0400

I can't even begin to comment on this. I can only apologize on behalf of the good NCOs who truly takes care of their military members.

Response by MSgt Bryan Nelson made Sep 21 at 2020 2:38 PM

MSgt Bryan Nelson — Mon, 21 Sep 2020 14:38:53 -0400

I dont know how it is in the Army, but in the good old USAF, that formal LOC should have a rebuttal section to it. You also have the right to take it to the Area Defense Counsel for legal representation. Before going there though, please let your chain of command know. And also (in my opinion), if your PSG is denying your chance to see the promotion board, tell them (respectively) you’ll be bring this up to your PL, First Sergeant, and CO. After that, there are other means for “redress”...ie, the IG, and legal. In also assuming that the PSG has to formally give you something saying they are denying you to the promotion board. Please be tough, but respectful with everyone.

Response by SSgt Robert Gainer made Oct 9 at 2020 12:44 PM

SSgt Robert Gainer — Fri, 09 Oct 2020 12:44:06 -0400

The long and short of it is this, who DIRECTLY paid for that room? If you didn't whoever did can dictate how it is used!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 9 at 2020 11:31 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 09 Oct 2020 23:31:32 -0400

You need to talk to JAG. Tell you 1st line leader you want to speak with the Commander and 1SGT, you are not required to even tell the reason. When you speak to your Commander and 1SGT, simply state that you want to speak with JAG. You don't have to divulge your reason to them either. In fact, don't tell any of them what it's about, it will get them sweating and nervous. Probably walk on eggshells around you.
When you talk to JAG (your unit is legally required to make it happen), explain the situation. It's nice to know that JAG officers don't answer to your chain of command, theirs is separate from everyone else's.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2020 1:46 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 10 Oct 2020 13:46:40 -0400

I always say there is a difference between a leader and a manager. Leadership requires common sense and looking at each situation as unique and treating it accordingly, this is why being a leader is much harder. A manager just follows the matrix (easy), a+k=c and applies it to all regardless of the variables, people confuse that with being fair. Your command is just managing and not leading. Sorry to hear that we have knuckleheads in charge. Maybe instead of all the money spent on the brown uniform and ACFT they could come up with a test to weed them out.

Response by Cpl Ernest Thomas made Oct 11 at 2020 8:10 AM

Cpl Ernest Thomas — Sun, 11 Oct 2020 08:10:54 -0400

I would REALLY like to know what unit you're in. I myself would've taken a full court-martial on this one! Sounds like you've pissed off a bunch of people in the past so thus uis their retaliation. No matter though, they've stepped way out of bounds!

Response by SGT Cesar Diaz made Oct 11 at 2020 4:41 PM

SGT Cesar Diaz — Sun, 11 Oct 2020 16:41:08 -0400

I’m very sorry to hear about your experience
Some commanders are down to earth while others follow the rules by the book
A good commander should have a different view on soldiers with spouses
After all we are talking about military families being together !!!!!

Response by CPO Mark Robinson made Oct 12 at 2020 10:41 PM

CPO Mark Robinson — Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:41:18 -0400

I stay in government procured hotels and apartments quite often and I can say without a doubt that it's perfectly fine having your spouse stay with you.

Response by SPC Jim Groody made Oct 13 at 2020 4:38 AM

SPC Jim Groody — Tue, 13 Oct 2020 04:38:59 -0400

The military cannot make you do anything....it has been my experience that they CAN make you wish you had done it!

Response by SGT Michael Hearn made Oct 13 at 2020 10:16 PM

SGT Michael Hearn — Tue, 13 Oct 2020 22:16:09 -0400

THE ARMY WILL TELL YOU THAT IT DID NOT ISSUE YOU A WIFE. I KNOW IT BURNS YOU BUT KEEP IT COOL SARGE BETTER DAYS AHEAD

Response by PO2 Paul Dempsey made Oct 14 at 2020 5:58 PM

PO2 Paul Dempsey — Wed, 14 Oct 2020 17:58:51 -0400

Wow. Unless there is something your not telling us. This is wrong. Your leaders "psg" is a POS.

Response by MSG Dale Fairbanks made Oct 15 at 2020 9:21 AM

MSG Dale Fairbanks — Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:21:27 -0400

This goes back to the old days when officers could have (male and female) company in their BOQs, but enlisted could not have opposite sex company in the barracks. Leadership argued that this situation would lead to hanky-panky, or even the introduction of drugs in the barracks. Tremendous double standards for leadership to say do as I say, but not as I do. Obviously, this PSG needs to find another job because it is apparent that he is less concerned about his troops than he is about taking care of his own career.

Response by SrA Russell Turley made Oct 15 at 2020 10:45 AM

SrA Russell Turley — Thu, 15 Oct 2020 10:45:38 -0400

Did anyone tell your dumbass PSG you're on the governments dime 24/7.....
Gain a meeting with your 1st Sargeant to discuss this nonsense..

Response by SGM Willard Burfict made Oct 15 at 2020 12:46 PM

SGM Willard Burfict — Thu, 15 Oct 2020 12:46:28 -0400

Your PSG is totally out of line, go to your PLT LDR and if that don't work go to the 1SG, If that don't work go to the commander...That is so out of order, even if they are using the pandemic as an excuse for this policy, what happens when you go on leave to your family, you have to seek seperate quarters. I think not.

Response by SGM Willard Burfict made Oct 15 at 2020 12:50 PM

SGM Willard Burfict — Thu, 15 Oct 2020 12:50:57 -0400

This is beyond the pale, PSG seem's off base... After twenty five years active duty I have never heard of something so out of line.

Response by SPC Mark Mckinney made Oct 16 at 2020 5:23 AM

SPC Mark Mckinney — Fri, 16 Oct 2020 05:23:35 -0400

That’s the kind of BS that makes me glad I got out when I did.

Response by SFC Derek Peterson made Oct 16 at 2020 10:37 AM

SFC Derek Peterson — Fri, 16 Oct 2020 10:37:42 -0400

After you have exhausted use of all in your coc, contact legal and IG (they will ask if you went through coc before coming to them).

Response by CDR Cynthia Ramsey made Oct 16 at 2020 11:47 AM

CDR Cynthia Ramsey — Fri, 16 Oct 2020 11:47:46 -0400

Wow! Feels so awful to hear of soldiers being treated wrongly and unfairly. Leaders must be trained better on lawful / unlawful orders and illegal retribution. Get legal representation (free of charge) to get resolution on this matter in your favor

Response by COL Guy Shields made Oct 16 at 2020 6:31 PM

COL Guy Shields — Fri, 16 Oct 2020 18:31:35 -0400

Your platoon sergeant is an idiot. Unless things have changed in the last 15 years, as long as it doesn't cost the Army any additional money, it's allowed. If your commander found out about it, he should be counselling the PSG. If any of my NCOs did that, my SGM would have counselled the PSG. The fact that the commander appears to not be involved demonstrates a poor leadership environment.
COL(R) Shields

Response by SP6 Greg Jetter made Oct 16 at 2020 8:06 PM

SP6 Greg Jetter — Fri, 16 Oct 2020 20:06:57 -0400

it sounds like some one has a hard on for you , just about every post /base has a family matters department , usually part of the chaplains office or the BASE COMMANDERS office . Sound like your PSG has a problem with married soldiers supporting their wives , I bet the Commanders wives would like to get involved in this situation and the PSG is going to regret being a dick towards military spouses . Use the system , play the game just like they are . Better learn now wile your still a young NCO , administrative violence is a weapon , use it wisely.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Oct 16 at 2020 9:39 PM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Fri, 16 Oct 2020 21:39:57 -0400

Dumb and Dumber are at work. The room is paid for and no other person is out a bed. HOWEVER, The provenience that the government is paying for your wife to stay with you; while the other soldiers DON’T or CAN’T HAVE their spouses with them. The governmental terms are “transparency” and “defrauding the government”. Both put you in "hot water". Tell 'em to stuff it and go to the nearest hotel you can afford. Nashville, TN--try the Pear Tree, Hampton, or Comfort Inn. REMEMBER, ask for the government rate [show your orders].

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2020 8:14 PM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 17 Oct 2020 20:14:44 -0400

Have you had a no contact order now or in the past?

Response by PO2 Cyrus Barberia made Oct 18 at 2020 1:22 PM

PO2 Cyrus Barberia — Sun, 18 Oct 2020 13:22:26 -0400

I see no reason in this day and age that your wife could not stay with you in the same room it's ridiculous

Response by SFC Dave Nutter made Oct 19 at 2020 6:30 PM

SFC Dave Nutter — Mon, 19 Oct 2020 18:30:44 -0400

gawd I am so glad I am retired

Response by LTC David Howard made Oct 21 at 2020 9:08 AM

LTC David Howard — Wed, 21 Oct 2020 09:08:29 -0400

I think your platoon sergeant is an idiot and if I were in command I would relieve him of his duties based on this alone. There can be a legitimate concern if a soldier, in the course of his official duties, is incurring taxpayer expense improperly for a civilian, even a spouse. But unless the government would be billed additional charges for the room because your wife was with you, there is absolutely no reason why she cannot use that room with you. Its possible that your platoon sergeant is also just a petty tyrant, harassing you with this nonsense just as a means of showing his power over you, and that is even worse than idiotic and ignorant behavior.

Response by SFC Brian Gillum made Oct 22 at 2020 10:20 AM

SFC Brian Gillum — Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:20:01 -0400

Based on the headline alone, I was going to say that if the room is on the government dime, then, maybe.

If it is your assigned and issued in your name government credit card and you signed the hotel register. No, that’s overstepping. Now if the unit, for whatever reason(s) has a block of rooms and has assigned you a specific room. Yes. However, seeing as how it is YOUR room (not shared) and it is your spouse; there appears to be more to this story. With just your information it sounds like they overstepped and someone is just flexing their authority (said in the Eric Cartman “Respect my Author-Itay!” voice).

Without knowing the whole story, I am siding with you and hope you find some satisfaction in your search for answers.

Response by SSG Gregg Mourizen made Oct 24 at 2020 4:01 AM

SSG Gregg Mourizen — Sat, 24 Oct 2020 04:01:06 -0400

I believe the regs say 28 days. Unless they have a written policy somewhere, or the hotel contract dictates such a policy, There shouldn't be a reason to justify this. The hotel might require you to pay extra, for the time she is there.
I am surprised that they would have an issue with your wife staying the night, when they ignore so many other problems like "girlfriends", camp tramps and other hoochies (yeah, I said it). When I was Mobed to Ft Bliss, I verified, that my wife could be with me, as long as it wasn't more than 28 days or I could lose my BAH. I didn't push my luck, having her stay with me in the barracks (2BR trailers, 1 per room). I know some that tried. I spent the money for a real apartment, but if I was win an actual hotel, that would have been a different story.