Can academic dishonesty on a 1059 ruin your army career?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 Apr 2021 22:41:14 -0400

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2021 12:45 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 00:45:56 -0400

Yes!

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2021 1:05 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 01:05:45 -0400

Yes. Academic dishonesty is unbecoming of a Soldier and is cheating. So if you do it you're lying which is punishable by UCMJ. Although I don't know if you'll get UCMJ for it, but good luck ever getting promoted or going to school again.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Apr 9 at 2021 1:10 AM

CSM Charles Hayden — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 01:10:03 -0400

SGT Private RallyPoint Member What do you think? Should academic or any dishonesty be cause to ruin a military career? Would that dishonesty occur again? In a crucial setting?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2021 1:25 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 01:25:12 -0400

Wow.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2021 1:26 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 01:26:41 -0400

I've seen it do some very serious damage.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2021 3:03 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 03:03:53 -0400

Is the alleged infraction actually been counseled and annotated on the 1059? If there was a valid accusation, there should have been some sort of appearance before peers and cadre, program manager, or similar NCO academy leadership with a chance to refute the charges. Most of the times, academic dishonesty results in dismissal from the course and a referred 1059. That's why I am asking about this accusation

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2021 6:29 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 06:29:31 -0400

Yes, there is no gray area cheating in academics, fudging a little on an APFT. It can’t be tolerated, what’s next?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2021 10:59 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 10:59:01 -0400

What was the school?

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Apr 9 at 2021 1:03 PM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Fri, 09 Apr 2021 13:03:46 -0400

Any dishonesty or deception isn't going to help any career including the Army. If You can't produce Your own work on your own honest effort it seems Your career is already doomed to failure. You may fool people for awhile in some instances but it always will catch up with you.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2021 9:54 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Apr 2021 09:54:31 -0400

I’m going to say yes. But in my 22 years in the army I have battles who have done that same or worse and they are CSM’s now. It’s not what you did it’s your resilience that can pull you through.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Apr 12 at 2021 3:56 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 15:56:27 -0400

Of course it can. As for how it makes, or wether it makes it to your records depends on which course it is. NCOES, a great chance that it makes your records. If it is a more mundane program it will not make your record, but you are subject to UCMJ, that would definitely make your records. I hope you did not cheat, and that this is you being inquisitive, maybe about something you heard and don’t trust. None the less, you should not cheat in any manner.

Response by SR Kenneth Beck made Apr 14 at 2021 7:56 AM

SR Kenneth Beck — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 07:56:20 -0400

Lying is always wrong. Unless your wife asks, “does this dress make my butt look big”.
PS
My wife looks good in a dress.

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Apr 14 at 2021 10:18 AM

SFC Melvin Brandenburg — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 10:18:25 -0400

dishonesty ruins military careers.

Response by CW3 Michael Clifford made Jun 17 at 2021 7:48 AM

CW3 Michael Clifford — Thu, 17 Jun 2021 07:48:15 -0400

I was an Army CID agent from 1978-1994. In 1992, the commandant of the Defense Language Institute was found by me to have falsified his educational background, claiming he had a PhD when he had never been even a candidate for the degree, much less earn the degree. He had lived that lie since right after being promoted to Lieutenant Colonel. I had reviewed his records to learn more about him. I ended up sending my counterparts in Washington D.C. to see his career manager and found that the claim of his PhD had kept him around the Army when his year group were part of reduction in force (RIF). Thus, some more deserving officer was subject to a RIF while the Army let this lying sad sack remain on active duty. A CID case was written on him, he was fingerprinted, his mug shots taken and he was eliminated from the Army in record time. He was offered retirement or a courts martial on Friday and he was gone from the Army. He had managed to disparage the commanding general of TRADOC, his boss, during his CID interrogation by me. When falsifying your credentials, ask yourself if it worth it. As soon as you apply for a national security clearance, the Army will find out. They verify each degree you claim to have.